Problems we as a community have noticed with the show.

[Metemponychosis 1,261]

@@Noodles, 

I'm talking about the book Celestia sent Twilight in MMC. And the same could be said about the the book Spike took to Rarity in the last episode.

 

I get that the pollen is important like that. And that is not the problem. The problem is that this episodes needed to explain why is it that the breezies live in a place where they can't get this resource they need AND why is it that they decide to stay in Fluttershy's house when I would hope they know that their families need this pollen for whatever reasons, AND that said pollen is going to go bad without the breeze. Unless, they know that they have time before that happens, but anyway, the portal is going to close. It seems that this episode was written by two people that never talked to each other about it. So the idea is that they need to get home with the breeze or the pollen goes bad, but it's never an issue.

Edited April 30, 2014 by moonlightavenger

[Noodles 109]

in the MMC she was trying to figure out what the spell was suppose to do. kind of like test running a program to see where it went wrong. and that is the kind of disastrous short cuts she is known to take from time to time! and that lesson seem to be still unlearned.

as for the book in the latest episode Rarity was a bit desperate and twilight only found out about the book after the damage was done.

[Krosp I 114]

I really only have two issues with the series itself. One of them involves character flanderization and the need to revisit the same character-specific flaws over and over again. I've lost track of how many times Rainbow Dash needed to be taught not to let her ego get the better of her or that Fluttershy needed to be more assertive. Don't even get me started on how Pinkie Pie devolved from someone who had winkwink, nudgenudge audience participation fun to "HA HA HA! I'M RANDOM. ISN'T THAT SO FUCKING FUNNY?" I partially chalk that up to it seeming like a half-hour slot being too short to get a good story off, but an hour seems much too long and the fact the show's target demographic being children.

 

My other issue with the series is that it does a terrible job at reminding people that its main demographic is children. This leads people getting pretty indignant when their high expectations aren't fulfilled.

[Metemponychosis 1,261]

in the MMC she was trying to figure out what the spell was suppose to do. kind of like test running a program to see where it went wrong. and that is the kind of disastrous short cuts she is known to take from time to time! and that lesson seem to be still unlearned.

as for the book in the latest episode Rarity was a bit desperate and twilight only found out about the book after the damage was done.

No. She wasn't. Twilight just opened the book and started reading it as if it meant nothing.

I think that you are missing my point: if such books exist, then ponies should be careful when dealing with them, and shouldn't read them without preparing for it. I'll grant that in Rarity's case she was desperate, and even if she knew this sort of thing existed, she may have used it anyway. That is being reckless. but the same can't be said about Twilight. What I'm trying to say is that Twilight should have know of the potential danger (which should have been acknowledged by the character in some way), but in the episode, she was oblivious to it. It's not even about careless.

[Noodles 109]

No. She wasn't. Twilight just opened the book and started reading it as if it meant nothing. I think that you are missing my point: if such books exist, then ponies should be careful when dealing with them, and shouldn't read them without preparing for it. I'll grant that in Rarity's case she was desperate, and even if she knew this sort of thing existed, she may have used it anyway. That is being reckless. but the same can't be said about Twilight. What I'm trying to say is that Twilight should have know of the potential danger (which should have been acknowledged by the character in some way), but in the episode, she was oblivious to it. It's not even about careless.

 

excitement over a new book and spell. um lame I know but yes she should have known better. by the way how many people that commonly use shortcuts on safety that should know better even acknowledge that what they are doing and the steps they did not take are an amazingly dangerous or bad idea?

she was told what the book was! a great unfinished spell of starswirl the bearded! key word here unfinished! she could easily assumed that an unfinished spell would have no effect! about it being dangerously reckless I do agree on that point! but this is the same pony who knows the need it want it spell and  uses  a dubiously effective mind control spell a second time! (swarm of the century for the spell and bats for the second casting of the spell) I think you may be missing my point in the fact that Twilight is that reckless with her magic! she Should not be but she is! shocking that Celestia didn't each or instill proper respect of magical experimental procedures!

Edited April 30, 2014 by Noodles

[Jeric 46,852]

MMC did drive me up the wall at first when Twilight just read that spell. A simple tweak to the story by having her first attempt to finish cause the same chaos would have been better.

 

However, I don't mind the slow learning curve some characters have. A.A. Milne didn't evolve his characters much, and it didn't diminish Pooh and company.

[Noodles 109]

besides really think we are going way to deep for this kind of show!

[Metemponychosis 1,261]

she was told what the book was! a great unfinished spell of starswirl the bearded! key word here unfinished! she could easily assumed that an unfinished spell would have no effect! about it being dangerously reckless I do agree on that point! but this is the same pony who knows the need it want it spell and  uses  a dubiously effective mind control spell a second time! (swarm of the century for the spell and bats for the second casting of the spell) I think you may be missing my point in the fact that Twilight is that reckless with her magic! she Should not be but she is! shocking that Celestia didn't each or instill proper respect of magical experimental procedures!

I just disagree with you then. The way I saw it, Twilight never even knew that the book was potentially dangerous and didn't know that by reading it she was activating the incomplete spell.

[Noodles 109]

I just disagree with you then. The way I saw it, Twilight never even knew that the book was potentially dangerous and didn't know that by reading it she was activating the incomplete spell.

that's a valid point just cause she knew it was an unfinished spell  she didn't know what the spell could have done! is your point she should have known something really bad could happen from "casting" and unknown incomplete spell. ok that way yes she should have. my point is the twilight we all know and love would that stop her from casting it or even slow her down?

 

if I still have it wrong please try to rephrase your point please!

Edited April 30, 2014 by Noodles

[Shanks 10,816]

Overuse of deus ex machina: I already did a rant on this and I don't feel like typing it again or even summarizing it so here is the link.

 

http://mlpforums.com/topic/93687-deus-ex-machina-is-being-increasingly-overused-in-the-show/

 

Too many out of character moments and inconsistencies and characters getting flanderized: this has been a serious problem with Fluttershy and Spike in particular, a problem with Pinkie Pie in season 3 and season 4 and with some other characters in season 4 which is shaping up to the worst season so far.

 

Twilicorn: Introduced poorly in a rushed season finale in a season that had otherwise little to do with the concept and then treated for the most part like it never even happened in season 4, I am still in a neutral wait and see mode but this is still a major elephant in the room.

 

The lessons are starting to become a bit too repetitive: This is especially the case with Fluttershy but now it seems to be leaking into nearly everypony.

[Oblivion 20,267]

And I sort of take it for what it is, a cartoon about adorable talking ponies, now don't get me wrong, I LOVE MLP, but I realize because of it's original purpose and demographic it will have flaws, and sometimes cartoon logic does get a bit annoying at times.

[Metemponychosis 1,261]

that's a valid point just cause she knew it was an unfinished spell  she didn't know what the spell could have done! is your point she should have known something really bad could happen from "casting" and unknown incomplete spell. ok that way yes she should have. my point is the twilight we all know and love would that stop her from casting it or even slow her down?

 

if I still have it wrong please try to rephrase your point please!

I'm having trouble explaining exactly what I mean. Because it's subtle difference between what you said (Twilight is being careless) and what I'm saying (Twilight doesn't seem to know that this is potentially dangerous). My point is that it makes sense to assume that Twilight, as a educated magic user, understands the dangers of using something she doesn't understand completely AND that as such, she must know to recognize such things. So, she should not have, inadvertently, cast the spell in the book by reading it aloud. I think that we agree that Twilight should be able to recognize the spell and know enough that reading it aloud will activate the spell.

 

You think that Twilight would still cast the spell, even if she knows it's an incomplete spell. I think that she wouldn't. Because if she did what I'd expect from her: study it and understand what it does before casting it, she would have seem that it would mess her friends' destinies. So, she would not cast that spell. This is also another complaint I have with Bats! I think that Twilight should have known that both the spells she was casting would interact. But this is another story...

 

The problem is that in the episode, she gets the book, reads it, and the spell happens. She doesn't even realize what she has done until later when she sees Rarity screwing up the weather. From this, it's implied that Twilight doesn't know that she had cast a spell by reading the book. The only way that this makes sense is if that spell was unique and Twilight couldn't have known that she was casting it by reading it. But this feels more like a trap than a record of something.

[Noodles 109]

The problem is that in the episode, she gets the book, reads it, and the spell happens. She doesn't even realize what she has done until later when she sees Rarity screwing up the weather. From this, it's implied that Twilight doesn't know that she had cast a spell by reading the book. The only way that this makes sense is if that spell was unique and Twilight couldn't have known that she was casting it by reading it. But this feels more like a trap than a record of something.

I read the situation as she did know she cast part of a spell but had no clue as to what happened. probably assumed that the spell did nothing as she didn't notice the elements being messed up!

 

I can see your point.

and come to think of it why cast an unknown spell in proximity of powerful artifact level items? I do agree that safe casting of unknown spells should have ben covered in her training.

and this is all way to deep for the intended target audience! (I don't use this to excuse poor quality or other way more obvious issues that come up)

[Metemponychosis 1,261]

 

 

I read the situation as she did know she cast part of a spell but had no clue as to what happened. probably assumed that the spell did nothing as she didn't notice the elements being messed up!

 

I can see your point.

and come to think of it why cast an unknown spell in proximity of powerful artifact level items? I do agree that safe casting of unknown spells should have ben covered in her training.

and this is all way to deep for the intended target audience! (I don't use this to excuse poor quality or other way more obvious issues that come up)

I re-watched MMC (really right now) and you are right. Twilight did now she was actually casting a spell that was incomplete and thought it did nothing. Thanks for pointing this out to me.

 

This episode is just beautiful, by the way. 

[Dark Qiviut 22,433]

Loudly posting about the problems in this show has been one of my specialties. About a month and a half ago, I compiled two large posts detailing some of the bigger problems this show has had, both past and present. (They'll be combined as one in a blog eventually with updates, and I'm seriously considering a long review for season four.) While not all of them bother me personally, they do affect the quality of both the individual episodes and show at large.

[Sugar Cube 4,843]

@@FriendshipIsMedic, Hiya! Just to let you know, we had a similar thread covering problems with the show, so I merged your topic with it. In the future, be sure to run a quick search to see if your thread idea already exists before you post it. Thank you!

[DryGuy84 (Inactive) 927]

Overuse of deus ex machina: I already did a rant on this and I don't feel like typing it again or even summarizing it so here is the link.

 

http://mlpforums.com/topic/93687-deus-ex-machina-is-being-increasingly-overused-in-the-show/

 

Too many out of character moments and inconsistencies and characters getting flanderized: this has been a serious problem with Fluttershy and Spike in particular, a problem with Pinkie Pie in season 3 and season 4 and with some other characters in season 4 which is shaping up to the worst season so far.

 

Twilicorn: Introduced poorly in a rushed season finale in a season that had otherwise little to do with the concept and then treated for the most part like it never even happened in season 4, I am still in a neutral wait and see mode but this is still a major elephant in the room.

 

The lessons are starting to become a bit too repetitive: This is especially the case with Fluttershy but now it seems to be leaking into nearly everypony.

 

The only two points I agree with you on are the DEM and Fluttershy's lessons. I don't really want to argue my point of view right now, so I'm just going to say I personally disagree, and move on.

[Washougal_Otaku 1,020]

I just kind of glanced at page 4 of this, so my apologies if this has already been covered:

 

I've always found it to be problematic that many of the adult/teen fans claim that they love the show because it teaches good morals.  Aren't we supposed to be old enough to have these morals, already?  It's one thing to be a parent and feel this way (for the little ones watching), but it's somewhat unnecessary for non-paternal adults and teens.  Isn't there something more to it than that?

[Metemponychosis 1,261]

I just kind of glanced at page 4 of this, so my apologies if this has already been covered:

 

I've always found it to be problematic that many of the adult/teen fans claim that they love the show because it teaches good morals.  Aren't we supposed to be old enough to have these morals, already?  It's one thing to be a parent and feel this way (for the little ones watching), but it's somewhat unnecessary for non-paternal adults and teens.  Isn't there something more to it than that?

Personally, I would say that the show doesn't teach squat. But it inspires, like all forms of art, emotions and ideas. And if these are good ideas, then I think it's good.

 

Parents and teachers are supposed to teach. Not the TV. But this is how I feel and it's just my dumb opinion.

[Washougal_Otaku 1,020]

Personally, I would say that the show doesn't teach squat. But it inspires, like all forms of art, emotions and ideas. And if these are good ideas, then I think it's good.

 

Parents and teachers are supposed to teach. Not the TV. But this is how I feel and it's just my dumb opinion.

I am in full agreement with that last line.