Do you mind 'ponies are superior' logic if...

[Hive King 2,001]

Watch the news lol.  Access an online sex offender registry; you'll see plenty of child molesters, I'm sure.  Hitler's a matter of historical record.  You know full well those things exist in our world and don't need to literally see them with your own two eyes to know that.  But whatever isn't actually shown or alluded to in the show doesn't exist, so far as I'm concerned.  The rest I'll assume was for lols. xD

I was unaware that you were able to look into the news of Equestria and see that it didn't exist. Oxygen isn't alluded to in the show, maybe the MLP world is on a planet of hydrogen sulphide where the water is actually acid. After all, according to you, if it's not shown or alluded to, it doesn't exist. God awful logic. Just because it isn't shown doesn't mean anything, otherwise, I could say all that and more(the whole thing is just a dream by a delusional murderer)

 

Regardless, did you ignore the fact that Sombra was a slaver, torturer, heavily implied murderer, and mind raper? Have you forgotten Nightmare Moon was a genocidal psycho who was relishing in trying to impale Twilight? Have you forgotten how Trixie shocked ponies for the lolz? Have you forgotten Diamond Tiara's sadism and cruelty? Have you forgotten Sunset Shimmer trying to turn Twilight into a red stain on the ground?

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,302]

I was unaware that you were able to look into the news of Equestria and see that it didn't exist. Oxygen isn't alluded to in the show, maybe the MLP world is on a planet of hydrogen sulphide where the water is actually acid. After all, according to you, if it's not shown or alluded to, it doesn't exist. God awful logic. Just because it isn't shown doesn't mean anything, otherwise, I could say all that and more(the whole thing is just a dream by a delusional murderer)

 

Regardless, did you ignore the fact that Sombra was a slaver, torturer, heavily implied murderer, and mind raper? Have you forgotten Nightmare Moon was a genocidal psycho who was relishing in trying to impale Twilight? Have you forgotten how Trixie shocked ponies for the lolz? Have you forgotten Diamond Tiara's sadism and cruelty? Have you forgotten Sunset Shimmer trying to turn Twilight into a red stain on the ground?

You've taken the argument to practically anywhere that you wanted.  The Equestrian news?  Really?  I was referring specifically to child molestation and the other acts that I named.  And not to the contents of the atmosphere.  And the show is just that - a SHOW.  It is not a literal, physical locale wherein all of these other things could potentially occur.  God awful logic?  Your logic does not apply at all.  You are bestowing qualities upon a severely limited work of fiction for which only a sampling of goings on have been described and shown to us the viewers.  And regarding NM: did she succeed in committing an act of genocide?  I've honestly no recollection that she ever threatened it, unless you're implying that her refusal to let the sun be raised would inevitably lead to the deaths of countless ponies.  In which case, again, she didn't succeed.  And the other points - not of all of which I was even familiar with - still describe attempts to do something.  Not successes.  I f****g WISH that, in our world, there existed only "attempted murders."  Attempted child molestation.  Attempted rape.  That were all, if only at the last minute, thwarted by way of magic or dumb luck or heroism.

 

The show, a work of fiction, is not an independently functioning, living entity.  It's only what the writers have written of it.  This is my view concerning all works of fiction.  One might speculate, surely.  One could pen their own fanfic.  But neither of the latter two affect canon whatsoever.  The canon world of MLP does not contain child molestation.  You can't prove me wrong on that point.  I'm also not entirely convinced that you didn't simply miss my point when I mentioned watching the news.  I meant OUR news.  Because you posed the question as to whether humans didn't have any of those awful things.

 

And I think we've both veered somewhat off-topic together; I don't feel either of our posts necessarily contribute to the subject of the original post.  Instead, we've managed to debate something rather silly and not altogether related.

Edited June 11, 2014 by PegaMister

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

Okay, I brohoofed this post intentionally because you made some good points. 

I don't think you get what I mean by class division; I mean economic division. I mean that within Ponyville, is there some really poor ponies and then some really rich ponies and some middle-class ponies. And there isn't. I don't mean class division as in how high-class ponies in Canterlot act and compared to the Ponyville ones, or how they look down on them.

About Luna becoming Nightmare Moon—you'd snap eventually too if ponies kept sleeping through your rule and not paying you any attention for however many years it was. Probably a lot of years. But of course ponies can be trusted to positions of power despite being prone to emotions like jealousy, what a silly question. I'd rather that than a leader who feels no emotion at all. And here's the thing—she didn't become corrupted by power, and that's the huge difference between Luna going crazy and spiraling out of control and a human leader going crazy and spiraling out of control; usually in the case of the latter, it's because of a corruption due to power and/or money. Luna went crazy for a good reason, and Celestia has been in power for who knows how long and she has not ever become corrupt. How many rulers on earth can that be said for?

It doesn't matter than in Equestria most rulers are not elected; democracy isn't necessarily always superior to monarchy. In Equestria, monarchy seems to be the best political system for them since it obviously works extremely well with Celestia being so benevolent. So it is not a sign of ponies being inferior that they do not use the system of democracy like we do.

 

Yes there is in Ponyville. Example: Filthy Rich and Diamond Tiara. They are clearly far richer than everypony else. Filthy Rich does seem like a nice guy, but there are clearly economic divisions in Equestria. However, it seems like ponies don't get hung up on them at all because, while they are ruled by an Oligarchy, they do have a free-market system that allows all ponies an opportunity to just use their talent to make them money.

 

Even if you didn't mean how other ponies look down on each other, they're just like humans when they do that.

 

There is no good reason to lose your mind and attempt to kill every one of your subjects. Jealousy is a horrible reason to become a horrible monster of the night. It's just as bad as money or power going to one's head. In fact, it was Luna's power in part that went to her head and believed that she deserved to have her night praised just as much if not more than Celestia's. Ponies can also be motivated by greed as well: look at Flim and Flam. Heck, even Mayor Mare seemed more concern with money when Applejack was going to compete for ribbons in "The Last Roundup", so it's clear leaders can't always be trusted to pure of heart. Sombra once led the Crystal Empire, but he let his greed and lust for crystals get the better of him so he enslaved all of the Crystal Ponies. We have plenty of leaders around the world on Earth who are compassionate and do feel for the voters that voted them in, just as many who are corrupt as well. It's clear ponies follow the same logic.

 

And my points clearly illustrate that Celestia is the exception not the rule. There are actually plenty of leaders on Earth that are not corrupt. Just because we know of Celestia doesn't make ponies any less prone to corruption.

 

If you live in America, we do not live under a Democracy, we live in a Republic. The ponies seem to actually live in an Oligarchy since there are multiple Princesses that divide up the land but all rule together. Even if Celestia is on top, it is still an Oligarchy since there are multiple ponies in power. Either way, it is still a bad system of rule, even with a benevolent ruler. There have actually been good kings and queens in human history, but soon enough a corrupt king or queen would come into power and abuse their position. Celestia is benevolent but she is not invincible and if she dies and eventually somepony who can be corrupted comes into power. her position as ruler of Canterlot would give that pony great power over the lives of the ponies she rules over. Oligarchy, Monarchy, or what have you, any system where there is one or few rulers on top is always bad for the subjects who live under it, whether they are ponies or humans.

 

I'mma brohoof you too, because I love it when someone is willing to debate and isn't rude about it.

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

You've taken the argument to practically anywhere that you wanted.  The Equestrian news?  Really?  I was referring specifically to child molestation and the other acts that I named.

But you said that I just need to look at the news for evidence on this, surely you can look at the Equestrian news since you are so sure

 

 

And the show is just that - a SHOW.  It is not a literal, physical locale wherein all of these other things could potentially occur.

You can't use that to defend your argument, bringing in meta reasons. That would be like me saying "Since Frozen is just a movie, no one under 21 can die in it"

 

 

And regarding NM: did she succeed in committing an act of genocide?  I've honestly no recollection that she ever threatened it, unless you're implying that her refusal to let the sun be raised would inevitably lead to the deaths of countless ponies.  In which case, again, she didn't succeed

Let me go try to shoot someone and their family, only to fail because my gun jammed. Welp, I didn't succeed, better let me go. The point is that NMM had the intention to kill everyone in Equestria, out of petty jealousy. We're discussing their morality, not their success rate

 

 

I f****g WISH that, in our world, there existed only "attempted murders."  Attempted child molestation.  Attempted rape.  That was all, if only at the last minute, thwarted by way of magic or dumb luck or heroism.

Sooooo....let's see. I could get shot in the knees and still have that count as an attempted murder. I could be sexually assaulted and almost raped but it would only be attempted rape. Etc.

 

Your logic has more holes than Chrysalis 

[User07832407840 177]

Yes there is in Ponyville. Example: Filthy Rich and Diamond Tiara. They are clearly far richer than everypony else. Filthy Rich does seem like a nice guy, but there are clearly economic divisions in Equestria. However, it seems like ponies don't get hung up on them at all because, while they are ruled by an Oligarchy, they do have a free-market system that allows all ponies an opportunity to just use their talent to make them money.

 

Even if you didn't mean how other ponies look down on each other, they're just like humans when they do that.

 

There is no good reason to lose your mind and attempt to kill every one of your subjects. Jealousy is a horrible reason to become a horrible monster of the night. It's just as bad as money or power going to one's head. In fact, it was Luna's power in part that went to her head and believed that she deserved to have her night praised just as much if not more than Celestia's. Ponies can also be motivated by greed as well: look at Flim and Flam. Heck, even Mayor Mare seemed more concern with money when Applejack was going to compete for ribbons in "The Last Roundup", so it's clear leaders can't always be trusted to pure of heart. Sombra once led the Crystal Empire, but he let his greed and lust for crystals get the better of him so he enslaved all of the Crystal Ponies. We have plenty of leaders around the world on Earth who are compassionate and do feel for the voters that voted them in, just as many who are corrupt as well. It's clear ponies follow the same logic.

 

And my points clearly illustrate that Celestia is the exception not the rule. There are actually plenty of leaders on Earth that are not corrupt. Just because we know of Celestia doesn't make ponies any less prone to corruption.

 

If you live in America, we do not live under a Democracy, we live in a Republic. The ponies seem to actually live in an Oligarchy since there are multiple Princesses that divide up the land but all rule together. Even if Celestia is on top, it is still an Oligarchy since there are multiple ponies in power. Either way, it is still a bad system of rule, even with a benevolent ruler. There have actually been good kings and queens in human history, but soon enough a corrupt king or queen would come into power and abuse their position. Celestia is benevolent but she is not invincible and if she dies and eventually somepony who can be corrupted comes into power. her position as ruler of Canterlot would give that pony great power over the lives of the ponies she rules over. Oligarchy, Monarchy, or what have you, any system where there is one or few rulers on top is always bad for the subjects who live under it, whether they are ponies or humans.

 

I'mma brohoof you too, because I love it when someone is willing to debate and isn't rude about it.

I'mma say just a few more things, cause I'm running out of steam, not that this hasn't been an interesting conversation or anything, but it can't last forever and I'm running out of things to say.

Luna did turn good again, which is something that corrupt human leaders practically never do. 

I live in Canada, but still, America is part representative democracy and part republic, isn't it? Just like how Canada is part representative democracy and part constitutional monarchy?

I thought about how the Equestria system of government is vulnerable and unstable since if Celestia was overthrown it would all go to hek—but that fact has to do with the advantages/disadvantages of their political system versus ours, which I thought was not quite on topic since we were supposed to be discussing whether ponies or humans are superior, I think in a moral sense, not whether their system of government was superior, though I do admit it was my fault that the conversation shifted there, though what I said that shifted it there was on topic originally.

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,302]

But you said that I just need to look at the news for evidence on this, surely you can look at the Equestrian news since you are so sure

 

 

You can't use that to defend your argument, bringing in meta reasons. That would be like me saying "Since Frozen is just a movie, no one under 21 can die in it"

 

 

Let me go try to shoot someone and their family, only to fail because my gun jammed. Welp, I didn't succeed, better let me go. The point is that NMM had the intention to kill everyone in Equestria, out of petty jealousy. We're discussing their morality, not their success rate

 

 

Sooooo....let's see. I could get shot in the knees and still have that count as an attempted murder. I could be sexually assaulted and almost raped but it would only be attempted rape. Etc.

 

Your logic has more holes than Chrysalis 

I can see that no matter what I say, you will always be correct.  And my logic will always be flawed.  Because there is always always a hole that you or anyone else can slip through.  Except...  The point of it simply being a show.  Because it is.  And that's a matter of fact.  Not conjecture.  Not embellishment.  Not of dark inward dreamings.  I don't see why you get to decide that I can't use that particular piece of information...  Unless it derails your argument.  And you would dislike that, as you are geneuinely, undeniably infallible, and the very world in which we both dwell would surely implode.  Also, since this is the game we're playing, are you certain that my logic has more holes than Chrysalis?  How many holes does she have?  Have you counted?  Is there a reliable number out there somewhere?  How many holes are in my argument?  So that we might have a number to compare it by.  And, I dare say that someone would rather be shot in the knee than, say, decapitated.  And this time I'll list absolutely everything under the sun, lest you should do that hole-slipping of which you are so fond: prevention of any and all irreversibly damaging, horrible, lethal, or traumatic event.  Whatsoever.  A stubbed toe, for all I care.

 

Also, we WEREN'T simply discussing their morality at this point.  You were claiming those things did or could exist.  If they were prevented...  Then the attempts never came to fruition.  A thwarted attempt at murder does not equal murder.  I think your logic is flawed.  Or need not be mistaken for logic.

Edited June 11, 2014 by PegaMister

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

I can see that no matter what I say, you will always be correct.  And my logic will always be flawed.  Because there is always always a hole that you or anyone else can slip through.  Except...  The point of it simply being a show.  Because it is.  And that's a matter of fact.  Not conjecture.  Not embellishment.  Not of dark inward dreamings.  I don't see why you get to decide that I can't use that particular piece of information...  Unless it derails your argument.

Because using meta arguments is not in any way relevant. I can claim that rape never happens in the Dragon Ball Z universe because we never see it happen and its a show. I could claim that child molestation never happens in the Dark Knight films because we never see it.

 

And this time I'll list absolutely everything under the sun, lest you should do that hole-slipping of which you are so fond: prevention of any and all irreversibly damaging, horrible, lethal, or traumatic event.  Whatsoever.  A stubbed toe, for all I care.

And yet this does not happen in Equestria, RD broke her wing, Fluttershy beat the living shit out of several ponies, Sombra died, Twilight was smashed into a mountain, Celestia had her horn blasted, etc.

 

Also, Chrysalis has roughly 40 holes 

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

I'mma say just a few more things, cause I'm running out of steam, not that this hasn't been an interesting conversation or anything, but it can't last forever and I'm running out of things to say.

Luna did turn good again, which is something that corrupt human leaders practically never do. 

I live in Canada, but still, America is part representative democracy and part republic, isn't it? Just like how Canada is part representative democracy and part constitutional monarchy?

I thought about how the Equestria system of government is vulnerable and unstable since if Celestia was overthrown it would all go to hek—but that fact has to do with the advantages/disadvantages of their political system versus ours, which I thought was not quite on topic since we were supposed to be discussing whether ponies or humans are superior, I think in a moral sense, not whether their system of government was superior, though I do admit it was my fault that the conversation shifted there, though what I said that shifted it there was on topic originally.

 

I understand. All arguments eventually fade out, you can't keep 'em going forever.

 

That's not true at all. In fact, many times "corrupt" human leaders might know they aren't exactly honest but are good people in general. If there was a leader who was a great father and a great friend but also was accepting money from a shady business company in return for voting for legislation to help them, is he pure evil? No, he still is a good guy but he just made a mistake and needs to be punished to learn his lesson. And there has actual been a great many political leaders throughout history who were jailed for their crimes and changed their mind and did feel sorry for what they did after the fact. Luna was forgiven because she did show remorse for what she did, just like humans do when they realize the horrible things they have done.

 

America, at least at the federal level, is a Constitutional Republic. Certain states vary when it comes to that though, as state Governments have their own State Constitutions they are organized around.

 

It doesn't matter whose fault that is, but I'll be fine if we just don't mention that anymore. Technically one could argue that some systems of Government are more moral than others, however; do you think a Facist state is morally superior to a Democratic state, for example? But we don't have to go there if you don't want to.

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,302]

Because using meta arguments is not in any way relevant. I can claim that rape never happens in the Dragon Ball Z universe because we never see it happen and its a show. I could claim that child molestation never happens in the Dark Knight films because we never see it.

 

And yet this does not happen in Equestria, RD broke her wing, Fluttershy beat the living shit out of several ponies, Sombra died, Twilight was smashed into a mountain, Celestia had her horn blasted, etc.

 

Also, Chrysalis has roughly 40 holes 

I don't know for a fact that rape exists in the DBZ universe.  And the Dark Knight films exist in a world that is more or less comparable to our world.  Save for Batman and his "bad friends" (this is intentionally excluding the bulk of the DC universe, as I didn't get the impression that those films embraced it).  I don't consider the MLP universe to be comparable, and I still uphold the belief that it is devoid of child molestation.  I can't prove this, but neither do I think you can prove that it does.  And it would be exceedingly creepy if anyone could.  xD  But, evidently, I've not been explicit enough in my arguing, and that invites attacks upon its validity.  Which is...  Perfectly fair, to be honest.  And you're rather quick to read and respond, which is as commendable as it is infuriating when I'm hurriedly editing my last post.    And I brohoofed you for "knowing" the number of holes lol.

 

Forgive me if I forgot myself; I believe my generally dormant, argumentative ego got the best of me.

 

Edit: I've also just recently founded a cult, and there's a chance that I've gone mad with but a moderate amount of power.

Edited June 11, 2014 by PegaMister

[The Crimson Cross 7,532]

I have a strong feeling that even a nuclear bomb would absolutely disintegrate a pony's magical shield. That is some serious destructive power we're talking about. Though come to think of it, they seem to have much of the same technology as we do. But I wouldn't be surprised if somepony such as Celestia or Discord could just banish it or change it into something else using magic.

 

I guess in my eyes, the power of magic will always triumph over technology in the end.

Edited June 11, 2014 by The Golden Cross

[User07832407840 177]

I understand. All arguments eventually fade out, you can't keep 'em going forever.

 

That's not true at all. In fact, many times "corrupt" human leaders might know they aren't exactly honest but are good people in general. If there was a leader who was a great father and a great friend but also was accepting money from a shady business company in return for voting for legislation to help them, is he pure evil? No, he still is a good guy but he just made a mistake and needs to be punished to learn his lesson. And there has actual been a great many political leaders throughout history who were jailed for their crimes and changed their mind and did feel sorry for what they did after the fact. Luna was forgiven because she did show remorse for what she did, just like humans do when they realize the horrible things they have done.

 

America, at least at the federal level, is a Constitutional Republic. Certain states vary when it comes to that though, as state Governments have their own State Constitutions they are organized around.

 

It doesn't matter whose fault that is, but I'll be fine if we just don't mention that anymore. Technically one could argue that some systems of Government are more moral than others, however; do you think a Facist state is morally superior to a Democratic state, for example? But we don't have to go there if you don't want to.

It's pretty true, man, just think about it, there's so many leaders who become corrupt that never change back. But... it's still a pretty moot point since Luna is the only incident I can think of of a villain from MLP turning back to good, so... yeah, some humans turn back to good after being corrupt, some ponies do... some don't.. I guess they're pretty equal there.

They're still not equal in terms of racism from what we've seen in the show. One incident of being afraid if another animal they don't know anything about does not compare with knowingly discriminating against an entire race of people of the same species. I don't think there's any good argument for the ponies being equal to humans in terms of racism. 

A political system based on immoral principles could be considered less moral than a political system based on moral principles, but in terms of Oligarchy/Monarchy (the Equestria goverment is a bit of both) versus a democracy (or republic, whatever), neither is more or less moral than the other, so that's why it would be off topic to talk about whether the Equestrian system of government or the first-world real life system of government is superior because neither can be considered superior by moral standards.

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

It's pretty true, man, just think about it, there's so many leaders who become corrupt that never change back. But... it's still a pretty moot point since Luna is the only incident I can think of of a villain from MLP turning back to good, so... yeah, some humans turn back to good after being corrupt, some ponies do... some don't.. I guess they're pretty equal there.

They're still not equal in terms of racism from what we've seen in the show. One incident of being afraid if another animal they don't know anything about does not compare with knowingly discriminating against an entire race of people of the same species. I don't think there's any good argument for the ponies being equal to humans in terms of racism. 

A political system based on immoral principles could be considered less moral than a political system based on moral principles, but in terms of Oligarchy/Monarchy (the Equestria goverment is a bit of both) versus a democracy (or republic, whatever), neither is more or less moral than the other, so that's why it would be off topic to talk about whether the Equestrian system of government or the first-world real life system of government is superior because neither can be considered superior by moral standards.

 

 

Cool on that point then.

 

Ponies once were so racist against each other they had entire tribes dedicated to being racist to each other. Sure, they got over it and live much better together now, but so have a lot of humanity. Sure, there's still racism around the human world, some worse in certain places, but we have moved on from being extremely racist around the world too. We have improved, just as the ponies have.

 

A Monarchy/Oligarchy will always be less moral on principle than a Democracy/Republic because the people have no power in who rules them at all. That is automatically less moral. So to me, it does count. Again, we may differ on that point that it counts in this argument at all, so we can leave it out if necessary.

[User07832407840 177]

Cool on that point then.

 

Ponies once were so racist against each other they had entire tribes dedicated to being racist to each other. Sure, they got over it and live much better together now, but so have a lot of humanity. Sure, there's still racism around the human world, some worse in certain places, but we have moved on from being extremely racist around the world too. We have improved, just as the ponies have.

 

A Monarchy/Oligarchy will always be less moral on principle than a Democracy/Republic because the people have no power in who rules them at all. That is automatically less moral. So to me, it does count. Again, we may differ on that point that it counts in this argument at all, so we can leave it out if necessary.

K, I see your point on the racism issue. They've moved on, and we're moving on too. They might be a bit further moved on than us I'd say, but yeah, I'll agree with you on this that both ponies and humans have the potential for racism. 

I think we'll just have to disagree on the political systems being more or less moral than other political systems issue, and that's fine.

That's all I have to say, I'm done now. But it was a nice conversation, haha.

 

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

K, I see your point on the racism issue. They've moved on, and we're moving on too. They might be a bit further moved on than us I'd say, but yeah, I'll agree with you on this that both ponies and humans have the potential for racism. 

I think we'll just have to disagree on the political systems being more or less moral than other political systems issue, and that's fine.

That's all I have to say, I'm done now. But it was a nice conversation, haha.

 

 

They probably have, so perhaps they're doing better than us on racism.

 

It has been fun talking about this, Cork Top, till next debate.

[GreyScholar 1,584]

I would like to add a few points to this discussion:

1. First off, the Equestria itself is ruled by two ponies and ponies alone... Celestia and Luna. The government of Equestria is a Diarchy, two equal rulers... at least that is what it is supposed to be. The Nightmare Moon incident kind of messed up that system for a time.

2. Which brings me to my second point of Princess Luna. Lauren Faust had said that Nightmare Moon wasn't completely Princess Luna fault, but there is something that changed her.

 

The comics expanded on this, explaining that it was a separate force and entity that took control of Princess Luna in her time of weakness. This core idea is not something the tv show counters I feel, meaning it can be seen as canon

 

My point being you cannot accuse Princess Luna npt being 'good' even though she became jealous of her sister to the point where she would knowingly and intentionally put her subjects lives at risk.

 

3. I would also add th point that it can be argued King Sombra is the exception the general rule that ponies are morally good as would pony rulers. That while ponies may become subject to pride, selfishess, and negetive traits... I believe, at their core, ponies do not have it in them to commit acts of murder, war, or violence unless forced on them by others. Acts of abuse, child molestation, and rape would be unheard of in pony society. That racism, particularly racism from hatred and violence is also not something you'd find in Equestria.

 

The evils, dark desires, and terrible acts humanity commits one to another is not something you would find in Equestria. We have shown we can be b******* to each other, families torn apart by fear, contention, and horrible breaches of trust. People willing to kill or sell each othet out for money. Ruining each others lives...

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I believe Equestria would be a far happier and wonderful place to live then our world. That we and the world could learn a lot from Equestria and its ponies.

 

Though at the same time I would fear for Equestria. We have proven humanity can be b*******, and I fear our greed and bloodthirst compared to ponies would only hurt them. That our corrupt goverment leaders, crime and skewed morality would bring evil into Equestria. Not even going into what the science and religious communities might do.

 

Ponies are fair too innocent to be exposed to our world.

Edited June 11, 2014 by EquestrianScholar

[Windseeker 546]

The ponies live in a universe with completely different physics, so that alone makes them superior.

 

But a single Baneblade would probably destroy their world.

[Adachi 772]

Humans are more technologically advanced, and I assume, much further along in science. Ponies are superior in magic, and strength, and can also control the weather. In the end though, I think humanity will destroy itself, as it makes technology so advanced that it destroys all human life. Unless the stories of the Annunaki warring against the Illuminati are true.

Edited June 11, 2014 by Shogun Megazord

[Commissar Alexer 763]

One of my greatest fears that would be if the royal Sisters ruled us, is that we would grow too peaceful. Too soft.....too weak.

 

As shown by the show itselft ponies aren't really warriors and they solely rely the safety of their entire nation on bunch of young mares.

 

A peaceful civilization is doomed to be obliterated by an more warlike one. Just because you are nice doens't mean others are too.

 

 

 

Mankind has grown strong in eternal struggles and it will only perish through eternal peace.

                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Adolf Hitler.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Commissar Alexer,

Did you just use Adolf Hitler to prove your point? 

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

@...

 

H... H-Hitler is best reference?

[Commissar Alexer 763]

 

 

Did you just use Adolf Hitler to prove your point?

 

Kinda...but i think that too much war or too much peace is deadly for any civilization.

 

You need conflict to grow and peace to rest.

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

Kinda...but i think that too much war or too much peace is deadly for any civilization.

 

You need conflict to grow and peace to rest.

 

I disagree, I believe international conflicts that involve lives are never good. I believe debating and reforming within your own country is great. Never be content with what you have, strive for your lifestyle and the lifestyle of your fellow countrymen to be as good as it can be. But never start a conflict over it. Defend yourself against invaders if you must, but actively seeking out evil or injustice in other countries to purge only ends bad for everyone involved.

[Silver Letter 1,832]

I think ponies are obviously superior culturally and intellectually to humans. There really is no such thing as violence in their world (otherworldly beings exempt of course) and all ponies share and work together for the ultimate benefit even though individuality is still salvaged and protected. Without togetherness and sharing, ponies would have not been able to establish Equestria at all. Meanness can exist but it is rare and part of the individual personality of each pony. It is also shunned and not tolerated in Equestria. The use of magic also assumes ponies are higher beings; although Earth Ponies don't possess magic, they are still more powerful than humans.

[Commissar Alexer 763]

I disagree, I believe international conflicts that involve lives are never good. I believe debating and reforming within your own country is great. Never be content with what you have, strive for your lifestyle and the lifestyle of your fellow countrymen to be as good as it can be. But never start a conflict over it. Defend yourself against invaders if you must, but actively seeking out evil or injustice in other countries to purge only ends bad for everyone involved.

 

Hmmm....so everyone should stay isolationistic and only mind their own business? Even if there is a genocide happening in the nation next to them?

 

You know what? It's getting off-topic here.

 

Back to the Topic:

 

 

As i said, i don't really mind being ruled by them if they follow certain rules.

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

Hmmm....so everyone should stay isolationistic and only mind their own business? Even if there is a genocide happening in the nation next to them?

 

You know what? It's getting off-topic here.

 

Back to the Topic:

 

As i said, i don't really mind being ruled by them if they follow certain rules.

 

Nothing against you in particular, but I have literally had that argument thrown against me time and time again and it's just silly to me. If there is a genocide in a country near you and they ask your country for support and the people of your country agree, you should be able to support them. Why is that people always jump to the most extreme situation when I say that countries in general should mind their own business? How is formenting rebel groups in other countries "helping stop genocides"? How is arming governments and giving aid to them that we know are against us "helping stop genocides"? I'm sorry, but I just tire of always hearing that line. When a country has 900 military bases around the world and spends billions every year on foreign aid to countries that don't even like us, and that foreign aid ends up only going to the Government and the rich and not the people it was designed to help, it's not really aid at all, more like despot welfare. In my opinion, free and open association between countries, trade, and diplomacy are the best options. Does that sound like "isolationism" to you? Did I say that I wanted every country to be "isolated"? Words never left my fingers on my keyboard.

 

But yes, that is off topic. But then, you did bring up your position, and I could not help but bring up mine.

 

On topic...

 

As I said, I refuse to be anything's "subject", whether it's a human or a pony. I'd rather have free will than have a Monarch, even if it is Best Princess, Celestia.