Tobacco appearantly kills more people than war

[Jamal Kun 15]

According to statistics it does.

In 2014 war killed about a 160k people around the world(Mainly from Syria Iraq and Afghanistan), while Tobacco Killed 6 millions people each year, Before you say "At least Smokers of Tobacco Choose to smoke" Remember that Tobacco kills 600K people By Second hand Smoking each year.

 

Not only that but its been estimated that Tobacco killed 100 Million People in the 20th century which is more than WW1+2(Only 86 Millions Deaths) and Communism(94 Million deaths, Mostly due to Stalin killing everyone who he saw as a threat and Mao being an idiot during the great leap forward And Cultural Revolution)

 

What are your thoughts on this?

[碇 シンジン 27,431]

Don't smoke is my thought, always been that thought and always will be never going to light i fire on my mouth

[Snow Frostflame 3,568]

don't smoke... there is really nothing else to say... the cons greatly out weigh the pros

[Pastel 7,630]

They aren't really comparable though.

Smoking kills in the long term, while war kills immediately.

Saying that "smoking kills people" is a bit confusing, you'd rather say it lowered their life expectancy.

I mean, some smokers die from cancer, but maybe they would have had a cancer even if they hadn't touched a cigarette of their life, we can't be sure.

Edited June 15, 2015 by Blobulle

[J.R. 3,183]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw2WqvbDt5g

Then I can safely say I'd rather join the military than smoke.

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,302]

Well, I've no intention of participating in any wars, and I've no intention of smoking.

 

So I'm pretty much covered either way.

Edited June 15, 2015 by Ziggy and Angelbaby

[Lisa 5,553]

According to statistics it does.

 

Where are these statistics? I'm pretty interested. Luckily I don't smoke, and there's no conscription in my country. 

[Jamal Kun 15]

Where are these statistics? I'm pretty interested. Luckily I don't smoke, and there's no conscription in my country.

 

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs339/en/

Here are the Statistics on Tobacco and how much it kills

[Guest]

So tobacco is now a bigger cause of death than armed conflict, yet weed is still illegal in some places.

 

wat

Edited June 15, 2015 by Guest

[LittleMac 3,085]

Remember kids:

Stay in milk

Don't do school

And drink plenty of drugs

 

[Justin_Case001 4,891]

Yup.  We already knew that.  You know, every time I walk past a smoker, as soon as I see him/her, I exhale sharply until my lungs are empty, then hold it until I'm well past them.  It's tough, but better than the alternative.  I've always done that.

 

Biggest killer in the US, though: obesity.

[Malinter 3,064]

If you want to get really specific, each cigarette reduces your life by 11 minutes (on average, apparently) XD

Edited June 15, 2015 by Malinter

[LeonShi500 155]

If we've blindly used it for centuries, it's perfectly O.K. regardless of the obvious health risks.

 

If it's something different and somewhat new that some old people are uncomfortable with and is so much less harmful than tobacco and affects no one but the user, We need to make it illegal.

 

GG 'Murica you know what's best. Seriously, if you're going to make weed and other drugs illegal in the majority of the country, you might as well make tobacco illegal since it's one of the most deadly products you're distributing throughout the country. 

[DeadAccount 4,604]

Well I wouldn't be very surprised -_- Tobacco is the main cause of lung cancer. And lung cancer is the cancer that takes the most lives, therefore making it the deadliest.

[aoEAF2FBvC0MIo2Q 3,673]

GG Corporate 'Murica you know what's best. Seriously, if you're going to make weed and other drugs illegal in the majority of the country, you might as well make tobacco illegal since it's one of the most deadly products you're distributing throughout the country. 

Fixed that for you. America is a government of the corporations, by the corporations (with their lobbyists of course) and for the corporations. Hell, the Citizens United ruling declared corporations as people and apparently they are first-class citizens to boot.

[cider float 2,538]

I understand people want their right to smoke but their right can harm others by second hand and third hand smoking (the deadliest of them all, basically creating carinogens in the environment).

[cuteycindyhoney 13,307]

I have a serious question. Has there ever actually been a confirmed case where someone died of cancer, and the doctors all said it was because of second hand smoke? I've never heard of one. I also never smoke, and never plan to.

Edited June 15, 2015 by cuteycindyhoney

[Malinter 3,064]

I have a serious question. Has there ever actually been a confirmed case where someone died of cancer, and the doctors all said it was because of second hand smoke? I've never heard of one. I also never smoke, and never plan to.

 

Second hand smoke contains chemicals that increase the chances of cancer occuring, Cancer can happen naturally ofc, but if the patient lived a relatively healthly lifestyle with no previous history of cancer in the family or any genetic weaknesses towards cancer, then it can be assumed to be the result of second hand smoke.

Edited June 15, 2015 by Malinter

[Alto 437]

do i know smoking will kill me someday?

Oh well, we're all gonna die of something.

 

though they really should enforce the no smoking in public rule

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

So tobacco is now a bigger cause of death than armed conflict, yet weed is still illegal in some places.

 

wat

Why can't we have  discussion about tobacco without at least one comment like this? 

[Frostgage 7,975]

This doesn't really surprise me I wouldn't do it but it certainly shouldn't be illegal. Everyone makes their own choices now how they want to spend their lives.

[Mand'alor Dash 2,224]

Because that's what the world needs, right? More fucking bans. 

Maybe we need a tobacco cartel. They've already got an established market and everything.

 

 

 

Before you say "At least Smokers of Tobacco Choose to smoke" Remember that Tobacco kills 600K people By Second hand Smoking each year.

 

The 86 million people killed in the world wars, or the 94 million killed by communism, the 1-3 million killed in Vietnam, or even the 160K killed in the middle east certainly didn't choose to be there.

 

I'd also like to know how they arrived at that 600K a year number. Even counting casualties of war often comes down to extremely rough estimates. The CDC has the estimate at 2.5 million since 1964, which is 49K a year on average (41K in recent years). While not insignificant, this gross disparity leads me to believe that there were more than a few liberties taken with the data.

 

For comparison, drunk driving kills 10K people every year, but we (thankfully) aren't looking to ban alcohol.

 

 

 

while Tobacco Killed 6 millions people each year,

 

Not really going to touch the issue of first-hand smoke, since it's not 1922 anymore. Tobacco has been linked to cancer since 1951, and if you choose to smoke in 2015, you put your life in your hands.

 

I will say, however, that it's not as statistically significant as it may sound. Referring back to the CDC, smokers have an average life expectancy only around 10 years shorter than non-smokers. What this means is that even if it was the smoke that caused their death, it's not like it cut their lives in half.

[cuteycindyhoney 13,307]

Second hand smoke contains chemicals that increase the chances of cancer occuring, Cancer can happen naturally ofc, but if the patient lived a relatively healthly lifestyle with no previous history of cancer in the family or any genetic weaknesses towards cancer, then it can be assumed to be the result of second hand smoke.

Actually, that can't be assumed. Assumption isn't how science works. Did the person ever use an insecticide? Did he ever walk past a burning building? Did he ever paint a house? There are far too many variables to say "It was second hand smoke."

[Boyevyye De 244]

According to statistics it does.

In 2014 war killed about a 160k people around the world(Mainly from Syria Iraq and Afghanistan), while Tobacco Killed 6 millions people each year, Before you say "At least Smokers of Tobacco Choose to smoke" Remember that Tobacco kills 600K people By Second hand Smoking each year.

 

Not only that but its been estimated that Tobacco killed 100 Million People in the 20th century which is more than WW1+2(Only 86 Millions Deaths) and Communism(94 Million deaths, Mostly due to Stalin killing everyone who he saw as a threat and Mao being an idiot during the great leap forward And Cultural Revolution)

 

What are your thoughts on this?

I would say that after a certain point you have to question what motivation exists for these adds. And that it simply does not sound right to me.

 

Keep in mind that Alcohol alone is worse then smoking, and that there is actually no proof in existence that suggests second hand smoke even hurts you. None. 

Edited June 15, 2015 by Boyevyye De

[EpicEnergy 23,218]

I agree that tobacco is harmful and deadly, that's why I don't smoke. I also don't smoke because second-hand smoking is dangerous to others. I don't understand why some in this thread deny the fact that second-hand smoking exists and is harmful when there is plenty of evidence that suggests otherwise:

- https://smokefree.gov/quit-smoking/why-you-should-quit/secondhand-smoke

- https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/general_facts/index.htm

- https://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/effects-of-secondhand-smoke#:~:text=Exposure to secondhand smoke raises the risk --,and damages the lining of your blood vessels.

All one has to do to determine whether second-hand smoking is dangerous is to think about how many chemicals smoking is releasing into the air and entering into your lungs.