Most sinister Villain so far? (and then who's the best iyo)

[Silver Stream. 708]

So in another discussion about Starlight Glimmer, I grew curious on who's the most sinister villain so far and I want to hear your opinions. And why I don't consider half of these candidates as villains (some of them are just antagonists without any real sinister motive), I figured it's fair to include them in the discussion because everyone thinks differently: so where some might not see a character as a villain, others will. Wanted to make it fair for you peoples If I forgot someone, feel free to use this whacking "WTF SUNNY!" stick and hit me with it while I add your candidate in. :okiedokielokie:

 

You can simply cast a vote and move on, or explain your reasons in the thread. "Just Jo" pointed out "most sinister" and "best" villain are two different villains which is true. So vote for most sinister, but you're free to submit a post also explaining who's the best villain overall in your opinion. Don't really care if your opinions are biased or not because it's still your vote and I won't limit your thought process of these characters. If you're wondering my vote, you can look in the spoiler. (I quoted myself off the other thread since I'm too lazy to retype everything.

 

 

Okay so before you read this (if you care to read it), just know that Starlight Glimmer isn't my personal favorite villain. In fact, she isn't my solid vote as of right now since I haven't seen the finale. Only if my assumptions of her not having a back story or valid reason for what she does is true....does she have my %100 vote of her being the most sinister villain of them all.As for my favorite: Discord all the way! DISCORD FTW!

 

 

 

Honestly, if it turns out that Starlight doesn't have a story or a real reason about what's she's doing, I wouldn't put her on par with Trixie or the others you mentioned....I'd put her on par with Tirek and The Sirens....she may even be a greater villain than they were but many wouldn't think that because the execution in her actions and personality weren't as epic as the others.

 

Granted, it isn't implied that her methods are to rule Equestria (or maybe it is and we just haven't gotten a clear picture yet), but she's basically stripping away cutiemarks. Which, in my opinion, is far more sinister than stripping away the magic of ponies. Cutiemarks aren't just illustrations of talent...but are what sets ponies apart. It represents their individuality and symbolizes their purpose in life more than anything. In away, that's stripping magic as well. And even after stripping away what makes them....themselves...she colonizes them and manipulates them to thinking what she's doing is RIGHT. I don't want to go deep into this topic but I will say this: this happens in real life and I'm surprised it ended up on a kid's show. There has been both major and minor cases in which people will manipulate and brainwash people into accepting their sinister ways or outrageous religious bullsh*t.

 

Tirek stole all the magic for...no reason but to rule equestria. To gain power and be top dog where every magical creature in the pony universe is beneath him. He has no dark back story that leads him to be this bad guy. He doesn't even care much to the fact that his brother betrayed him so it wasn't like some revenge story...this was who he was even before that happened. There's no motive...no reason...no back story to encourage him to be who he is and what he does. That, in itself, is pure evil.

 

Same for the Sirens. From the beginning you see all they really want is adoration. They feed off of it to grow powerful just so they can use the power they've gain to....gain even more power? It's as if they feed just for the sake of feeding. Not to survive, not to rule the world (despite this being an outcome had they succeeded in both Equestria and the Human World) but to drain the negative energy out of everyone and manipulate every being. That.....is pure evil. In fact, for the Sirens....it's just their nature. It could even be Tirek's nature as well.

 

For Starlight, this isn't second nature for any pony. Which would make her even more sinister than the Sirens and Tirek. If it turns out that there is no back story that influenced her to become who she is...or she has no real reason for the evil actions she's been committing...then holy sh*t Starlight could be the most sinister villain of all despite how downplayed her execution was in the Season 1 premiere. In fact, I would say she is. Why else would the writers not only let her be the start of the Season but the ending as well? Something is up....

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Edited October 18, 2015 by Princess Sunset

[A Joe in the Bush 255]

Principle Cinch, from EqG3, isn't there. EDIT: Neither are the Diamond Dogs or Teenage Dragons.

 

For me, 'best' and 'most sinsister' go to two different villains;

 

Sombra definitely earns Most Sinister. Everything about him is designed to make him the classical Dark Lord. He lay's traps, kinds corrupts ponies, turns into a massive cloud of smoke, annoys Coffee Talk, and generally terrifies everyone. He's mysterious and unknown.

 

Chyrsalis in turn gets the Best Vote. She came the closest to winning, defeating Celestia and the Elements of Harmony, only to be defeated by an illogical Deus ex Machina. She has the most potential for villainy, what with her unrepentant evilness, hordes of minions, and ability to instill doubt in everypony.

Edited October 18, 2015 by Just Jo

[Silver Stream. 708]

Principle Cinch, from EqG3, isn't there. EDIT: Neither are the Diamond Dogs or Teenage Dragons.

 

For me, 'best' and 'most sinsister' go to two different villains;

 

Sombra definitely earns Most Sinister. Everything about him is designed to make him the classical Dark Lord. He lay's traps, kinds corrupts ponies, turns into a massive cloud of smoke, annoys Coffee Talk, and generally terrifies everyone. He's mysterious and unknown.

 

Chyrsalis in turn gets the Best Vote. She came the closest to winning, defeating Celestia and the Elements of Harmony, only to be defeated by an illogical Deus ex Machina. She has the most potential for villainy, what with her unrepentant evilness, hordes of minions, and ability to instill doubt in everypony.

 

Adding up and you do have a point. I'll go with most sinister when it comes to the voting, but will add up they can also post who's the best villain in their opinion 

[Courageous Thunder Dash 7,824]

I'd have to go with Tirek. Considering how sly he was, able to sway Discord on the drop of a hat and completely wipe ponies of their magic, he is definitely the most sinister villain of all. Heck, will the strength he had...he could suck up the entire magic force of Equestria...

[Arrowstormen 62]

I would say there's something sinister about Starlight Glimmer, but going by dictionary definitions, "sinister" seems to either be something that looks like it's evil or intending harm, or something intending harm. Starlight Glimmer neither looks evil, nor does she actually intend harm; she believes what she does is not only the best, but the only way to harmony. 

 

Sombra definitely looks the most sinister to me.

 

Tirek intended to do the greatest harm simply for personal gain, so I'd call him the most sinister one. 

[Unlikeable Pony 2,699]

There's a definite difference between "best" and most "Sinister" in villainy. For example, Discord is BY FAR my favorite villain, but for being sinister, I'd have to put my money on Tirek.

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Edited December 9, 2015 by wind

[Sidral Mundet 1,666]

I'd go with Tirek mostly because he wants both power and revenge and will crush anyone that oppose him. Starlight has atmosphere sure, but that's really it, there's no motive behind her and she keeps switching up between believing her ideal and evil villain asides about how much power she could have. 

 

Edit: Forgot to mention this but Discord is best villain, because he actually affected the Mane 6. Also he's wonderfully written 

Edited October 18, 2015 by Sidral Mundet

[Buck Testa 5,505]

Gotta hand it to the Sirens, they are the most efficient and diabolical out of the bunch, or at least Adagio was. 

 

However we know whom the REAL villain whose going to take this title Once he rears his twinned horned head 

LONG MAY GROGAR REIGN

Edited October 18, 2015 by Buck Testa

[[NULL] 907]

King Sombra would probably be most sinister villain in the show. Although that doesn't necessarily make him a good villain.

*cough* Starlight Glimmer *cough*

[cider float 2,539]

Chrysalis brought the best impression on me. She's sexy, cruel, and intelligent. She breaks Twilight big time. 

[Silver Stream. 708]

I'd go with Tirek mostly because he wants both power and revenge and will crush anyone that oppose him. Starlight has atmosphere sure, but that's really it, there's no motive behind her and she keeps switching up between believing her ideal and evil villain asides about how much power she could have. 

While I agree that the fact he wants power all to himself and wants to be superior over all of Equestria makes him possibly the most sinister Villain in MLP, I don't think revenge had anything to do with it. He seems to brush off the fact that his brother betrayed him in the past and sees that more of his brother making a mistake and becoming weak. I wouldn't be surprised if he betrayed his brother first even if they succeeded together in ruling Equestria. 

 

I'm not sure where you see that Starlight doesn't have a motive because....no one is sure about that just yet. It wasn't revealed in the first episode. All we see is that she is manipulating ponies into believing in her philosophy which we aren't even %100 sure is her REAL goal. We don't know if it was a step 1 or not. Regardless of her motive, her actions are what bumps her alongside Tirek as a sinister villain in my opinion. Because her actions and even her mindset hits too close to reality. As I pointed out in the quoted text, people actually do these things: manipulation, isolation, brainwashing, and in a way forcing their religious bs or repulsive behaviors on someone else while also letting that someone else think there is nothing wrong with it. She creates a cult that is creepy in itself to begin with. And you know what gets me?

 

No one opposes her. She's that good. She's outnumbered with all these ponies but she's so good at what she does, she literally has them trapped mentally. Even those who question her were afraid to even show signs of thinking freely. Tirek didn't have that kind of power when it came to getting his power. They still managed to at least try to fight against him. Tirek is wonderful...don't get me wrong. And it doesn't surprises me that he is in the lead since he's the type to have tricked discord and was the one of the only villains who actually succeeded in his goal even if it was short lived.

 

Even Chrysalis managed to have a small victory. The only reason why I don't consider her close to sinister is because of her motive: to get food for her loyal subjects. She was. in a way, doing a good deed for her Changlings. She was only living up to her responsibilities as a queen. It just so happens that what they needed was something that could harm others. And the fact that she didn't do a great job in impersonating the real Cadence. I am disappointed in how they executed Shining Armor to be another oblivious stallion. He's the one who is in love with Cadence...he should have easily seen a change in the one he loves. Chrysalis got away only because of that...I can forgive that the others didn't notice her strange behavior: they don't know Cadence on a real personal level unlike Twilight and supposedly Shining Armor.   

Edited October 18, 2015 by Princess Sunset

[CookieK 74]

*cough* you spelled principal wrong...Starlight Glimmer is my pick for most sinister villain. Sorry Discord and Chrysalis are just way to overrated, besides I consider Chrysalis more neutral than anything else. I had completely forgot about Tirek. Sombra would've been better if he had more screen time maybe. 

Edited October 18, 2015 by CookieK

[Silver Stream. 708]

*cough* you spelled principal wrong...Starlight Glimmer is my pick for most sinister villain. Sorry Discord and Chrysalis are just way to overrated, besides I consider Chrysalis more neutral than anything else. I had completely forgot about Tirek. Sombra would've been better if he had more screen time maybe. 

Thanks for pointing that out. I'll make the correction right away. Honestly, if you look through many of my threads, you'll always spot some sort of typo, or me using the word wrong in context. But yeah.....I mean....I think Sombra had enough screen time for the most part, but I feel as though they built up too much hype for him.

 

In my opinion, he was an evil genius. All the traps he set up, how he managed to instill fear in the kingdom and wipe away their memories so they wouldn't reveal a way to defeat him. And the fact that it had gotten so bad that spike was initially the one who saved the empire gave him even more credit. And no, I'm not trying to down the fact that spike saved the day...I'm actually glad he did something great, not saying he never does. But something like that was pretty big. 

 

Anyway, the fact that Sombra was able to pull all of that off without even making a move is impressive. The fact that everyone was so focused on making sure he was destroyed before he took his final form pretty much confirms just how powerful he is at full power. I'm disappointed that when he gained his form, it was too short lived to actually prove how great he was. 

Edited October 18, 2015 by Princess Sunset

[J. Brony 313]

Tirek intended to do the greatest harm simply for personal gain, so I'd call him the most sinister one. 

 

This is why I'm voting for Tirek also.

 

Tirek just seemed like he was bent on destruction.  The minute he obtained the alicorn power from Twilight he began leveling the countryside.  Why?  Wouldn't it have made more sense to return to Canterlot, issue his declaration of victory and start remolding the kingdom in his image?  I really don't think that Tirek had a purpose in mind when he began his quest for ultimate power.

 

King Sombra comes in a close second but I got the feeling that he, at the very least, had some kind of sinister plot in the works.  In typical cliche' villain style it was probably world domination, but at least it was something.

 

Chrysalis is, in my humble opinion, more of an anti-villain.  She committed a sinister act but was being motivated by the needs of her people.  A true villain wouldn't have been concerned with their suffering.

 

Discord never really struck me as a villain at all.  He's more of a mischief-maker who just happens to have the power to actually be more than a minor nuisance.  I never got the impression that he wanted to harm anyone.

Edited October 18, 2015 by J. Brony

[cmarston1 5,960]

The most sinister villain in the show so far would either be Tirek or King Sombra.

While My favorite villain would be Discord but with Tirek as a really close second place.

[RainbowBobSquareDash 76]

Although Trixie was not a villan anymore, I like how she was a villain in rainbow rocks that was a complete huge shocker for me. Discord was a villain (or at least I think he is one still) I like how he was sarcastic and being a overall jerk to the mane six in seasons 1-3. It was funny IMO

Edited October 18, 2015 by RainbowBobSquareDash

[Silver Stream. 708]

This is why I'm voting for Tirek also.

 

Tirek just seemed like he was bent on destruction.  The minute he obtained the alicorn power from Twilight he began leveling the countryside.  Why?  Wouldn't it have made more sense to return to Canterlot, issue his declaration of victory and start remolding the kingdom in his image?  I really don't think that Tirek had a purpose in mind when he began his quest for ultimate power.

 

In a way, I don't really consider that "the most sinister". Yes...it is pure evil as I stated but what throws Tirek behind Starlight Glimmer for me is how simple his design was and how he behaves more like a selfish brat than a sinister villain. 

 

We have so many characters in the show business like Tirek. They want to rule the world for themselves and how he was executed wasn't very creative. I just saw him as this huge red guy who did the "JOIN ME" speech to Discord, everyone knowing he would betray him because that's what guys like Tirek are...and then he'll destroy the world. 

 

Evil? Yes. Was he executed as s sinister villain or a power hungry bully.....I would go for the second. He's second place for me. And honestly, the fact that he is a demonic creature in the first place sort of explains his motives. Remember, he didn't come from Equestria. Who knows if it's in his nature to rule. 

[Castle Bleck 19,390]

Chrysalis is, in my humble opinion, more of an anti-villain.  She committed a sinister act but was being motivated by the needs of her people.  A true villain wouldn't have been concerned with their suffering.

 

Yeah.

 

Just look at how she was only trying to help her people here:

 

 

...Wait.

[J. Brony 313]

In a way, I don't really consider that "the most sinister". Yes...it is pure evil as I stated but what throws Tirek behind Starlight Glimmer for me is how simple his design was and how he behaves more like a selfish brat than a sinister villain. 

 

We have so many characters in the show business like Tirek. They want to rule the world for themselves and how he was executed wasn't very creative. I just saw him as this huge red guy who did the "JOIN ME" speech to Discord, everyone knowing he would betray him because that's what guys like Tirek are...and then he'll destroy the world. 

 

Evil? Yes. Was he executed as s sinister villain or a power hungry bully.....I would go for the second. He's second place for me. And honestly, the fact that he is a demonic creature in the first place sort of explains his motives. Remember, he didn't come from Equestria. Who knows if it's in his nature to rule. 

 

Yeah, I see what you're saying.  Tirek wasn't really sinister at all if that's what we're judging villainy on.  His betrayal of Discord was so obvious that even the youngest fan could have seen it coming.  

 

Tirek was no mastermind to be sure.  He was most definitely a power hungry bully, no doubt about that either.  And to me that's what made him the worst villain in the show.  I doubt it was his nature to rule and I have to wonder if it was even his intention.  

 

Personally I find the idea of being ruled by King Sombra preferable to having my life force drained by Tirek and end up roadkill on the bottom of his hoof.  Living under tyranny carries the hope of liberation.  Not living at all....well, you see what I'm saying.

 

As for Starlight Glimmer, I didn't include her since I'm withholding judgement until the season 5 finale.  If the events therein turn out as good as all the teasers we've received, I suspect she'll jump to the top of my list as most sinister villain as well.

[Silver Stream. 708]

Yeah, I see what you're saying.  Tirek wasn't really sinister at all if that's what we're judging villainy on.  His betrayal of Discord was so obvious that even the youngest fan could have seen it coming.  

 

Tirek was no mastermind to be sure.  He was most definitely a power hungry bully, no doubt about that either.  And to me that's what made him the worst villain in the show.  I doubt it was his nature to rule and I have to wonder if it was even his intention.  

 

Personally I find the idea of being ruled by King Sombra preferable to having my life force drained by Tirek and end up roadkill on the bottom of his hoof.  Living under tyranny carries the hope of liberation.  Not living at all....well, you see what I'm saying.

 

As for Starlight Glimmer, I didn't include her since I'm withholding judgement until the season 5 finale.  If the events therein turn out as good as all the teasers we've received, I suspect she'll jump to the top of my list as most sinister villain as well.

 

 

*nods* yepyep.

 

CRAP DID I FORGET NIGHTMARE MOON?

 

adding her up now. Omg how did I forget the first villain of the series? 

 

Honestly....Nightmare had a week motive that would have backfired. Eternal night would have been the worst thing to happen to Equestria. all life would have had the slowest most painful death if you look at it from a logical perspective of what eternal night could bring. 

[NeonCobalt 256]

I voted for Tirek. To me, he had a really great presence, both when he was weak, and when he gained strength later on. When he was weak, he was sly and manipulative, and when he gained strength, he gave off a sense that he was a force of nature. And the best part is, the episode slowly builds up to this, making it seem natural.

[MAIKUN 262]

I'm gonna go with Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon!

[Side Bird 566]

In my opinion it'd be Chrysalis. Not only that, but I think she was the most powerful villain. Using just the love from Shining Armor she was able to defeat Celestia, even the Elements wouldn't be able to defeat her if she had all the love of every pony in Equestria. She'd be basically unstoppable.  

[Cipactli 43]

Personally, Sombra is the most sinister villain in the show so far. He does have the makings of a great villain and his true power and personality were never fully explored in the show, he has/had a great potential.I really wish we saw more of him.