gaming Why are all consoles after PS2 trash in general : I

[Lithophila 291]

Netflix... Viaplay(well ok, maybe if you like streaming) but Singstar clustered onto the dashboard and... Social media... Like i don't care about those stuff to be honest. The only good value i get from PS3 is like Ps1 and Ps2 games..

 

But why is it that the whole experience is so soggy compared to playing it on a Ps1 or a Ps2. I mean the way it looks. The fact that since its on HD screen there are still a slight reduction in stretching the whole image out. I'd get a better experience playing this on a emulator than on a legal console...

 

Piracy pays it seems :grin2:

I guess i'll buy the game, but i won't use the system it sells on.

Edited January 25, 2016 by Lithophila

[Malinter 3,064]

I think its because games started shelling out more for graphics then gameplay. That Is why older games are so damn replayable, even the broken ones with obvious flaws in them XD

Edited January 25, 2016 by Malinter

[Scrubbed user 3,417]

Because Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are trying to market them as multimedia machines instead of just damn game console. The 7th-gen consoles were the start of it. They did the gaming part well, but then add all the other stuff they did, on top of the complex hardware they used, and prices shot through the roof. Remember when the PS3 was announced at $600? With 8th-gen, Sony and Microsoft adopted an x86 architecture, which morphed them into closed-platform PC's where they charge an entry fee to use their respective online services, on top of your internet bill, and anything else you may be using that they offer.

 

I think it comes down to Sony and Microsoft starting to get greedy with the services they provide for users. Microsoft has always charged for Xbox Live, even though I'm fairly certain the sales they get from Windows, other software, and hardware would easily offset maintaining Xbox Live servers. These days, Sony now requires PS+ to play online. I guess it could be justified a little as they have been losing profits for the last few years. But I don't think they're hurting for money that much. Speaking of online play, it seems very easy to knockout their servers with DDoS attacks. It is very dickish to do it, but it has been shown to be easy to do. I refuse to pay for a service that could be taken down that easily.

 

I'm also not really interested in any of the exclusive titles offered. The only one of these that I ever played on PS4 was Killzone Shadowfall. It's nothing special, I'll still take Borderlands 2 over that anyday, and that game is from 2012. The only exclusive for the Xbone that I would even consider buying one for is Forza Horizon 2, but that's it, and nowhere enough for me to justify shelling out $470 + tax just to play 1 game.

 

While I got my money's worth (and then some) from my PS3, I wasn't too impressed after I bought a PS4. (bought it for my birthday actually) It felt like the only real upgrade was graphics. (Although, the DS4 is actually an excellent controller. I recommend it over the 360 controller) Since then, I had built my PC. It really feels like a much greater upgrade than on Christmas morning in 2008 when I got a PS3.

 

I know I never mentioned Nintendo, but they kinda live in their own little world, completely out of touch with today.

Edited January 25, 2016 by Mr Skeltal

[Ponies4Bronies 394]

Because Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are trying to market them as multimedia machines instead of just damn game console.

I agree, surfing Internet Explorer is pointless if you have a computer and a computer is much faster. it is ridiculous to watch movies on your Xbox. That is what a good TV and Netflix are for.

[Lithophila 291]

Yeah it annoys me that companies complain how much piracy hurts. But they can't even advertise what it is ment to do, or even give good settings on the games it sells. Nintendo Wii sorta was ok though, although it had some problems with Component issues when stretching it on a HD TV. Still i prefer that over what Sony PS3 can do. Although even then emulators makes the screen look nicer on a Nintendo wii which i have installed.

 

Generally i feel if this keeps up then nobody will care about consoles in the future : 3

Edited January 25, 2016 by Lithophila

[Scrubbed user 3,417]

Piracy is not as big an issue as big companies like EA and Ubisoft claim it to be. Intel posted this back in 2012. I'm not sure how much of that article is relevant today, but the vast majority most likely is.

 

All I know is that people are starting to realize consoles are not as awesome as they used to be. The quality of the 1st-party games are declining, the actual focus of Playstation and Xbox are all over the place. They say PC gaming is dying and consoles have never been better, but actual statistics say otherwise.

[Odyssey 5,718]

That's quite the exaggeration, really. If you want to think that way, then more power to you, but I would be lying if I said that all gaming consoles after the PS2 are terrible. When it comes to gaming, all I want to do is simply play a game and not worry about silly discussions like which console is good or bad.

 

In some aspects, it makes me feel disappointed that some people look way into gaming controversies, because there was once a time where it was just fun to play a game without ever having to worry about who is selling better or who is failing. I'm not saying we should avoid the flaws that some companies make, but still.

Edited January 25, 2016 by Odyssey

[Lithophila 291]

That's quite the exaggeration, really. If you want to think that way, then more power to you, but I would be lying if I said that all gaming consoles after the PS2 are terrible. When it comes to gaming, all I want to do is simply play a game and not worry about silly discussions like which console is good or bad.

 

In some aspects, it makes me feel disappointed that some people look way into gaming controversies, because there was once a time where it was just fun to play a game without ever having to worry about who is selling better or who is failing. I'm not saying we should avoid the flaws that some companies make, but still.

Its not about console supremacy. I find those more or less time waster and just kinda nerdy and geeky stuff that doesn't interest me because its so dumb. I am just reacting towards the lazy hazzard of making every game a cinematic movie instead of an awesome game experience. I think Xbox 360 was more or less the last attempt of it. With Social media and stuff being the new hip thing around.... its like watching the Big Bang Theory. Wannabee's who tries to blend in, there is no quality in it. There is no immersion, it tries to be clever but in reality its just germs. That's basically how i will explain the new consoles, I guess the system seems good on PS4. But they sure don't have games .

 

What i liked about SNES, PS1, Nintendo 64 was that they had stuff to offer. Its like if you went to buy a car without an engine. Its totally unpractical. Or you'd get like some dice and some movies in the car... which you don't care about, you just want to drive it and use it for driving. That's it! Seing the practical reason in it! Ps4 kinda feels the opposite of that, i havent tried Xbox One. But its surely the same.

 

Although i havent played PS Vita. But Todd and Aaron jokes tends to use that as a running gag for not having any games. Mega64 group or something : 3

[Megas 27,920]

 

That's a pretty damn ridiculous thing to say. I don't think anything can touch the 6th gen consoles(my favorite gen of consoles) but I still had a blast with the Ps3/360/Wii/Wii U(don't own a PS4 or Xbone yet) and think they're great consoles

[Scrubbed user 3,417]

but I still had a blast with the Ps3/360/Wii/Wii U(don't own a PS4 or Xbone yet) and think they're great consoles

 

Like I said, I had a hell of a time on the PS3, but I think that the PS4 or the Xbone is too focused on being multimedia machines (dare I say, a PC) instead of just being a device that you can just put a disk in and play it.

[Shanks 10,816]

I loved the PS3 actually and I liked the Wii mostly for the virtual console and that is why I got it despite my reservations about the controller. The last generation of consoles however started a lot of trends in the video game industry that have lead us to the situation we have today where gaming companies are forgetting that the primary function of gaming consoles is the games and not all the other bells and whistles. Don't get me wrong, having a few extra features is nice but not at the expense of the games themselves. They started to milk as much as they could from the last generation by releasing games even after the new generation was coming out because more and more consumers are simply waiting until the price drops and gaming companies are well aware of that.

 

Games are also moving increasingly online which are leading to things like micro transactions, downloadable content, patches ect which are not bad in and of themselves but the way companies are screwing their consumers by over using the micro transactions to make it nearly impossible to play certain games without paying a fortune in micro transactions and pre maturely releasing broken/incomplete games that take a bazillion patches to actually fix assuming the issues even get fixed at all is a bad thing. Game companies are getting increasingly out of touch with consumers and their talent which are alienating the best creative minds in the industry such as the former Rare employees that left Rare in disgust to form Playtonic Games, Metal Gear Solid creator Hideo Kojima and Megaman frachise creator Keiji Inafune.

Edited January 25, 2016 by Shanks

[Celestial Sloth 369]

Because there's no more Timesplitters games. 

 

That and the sense of nostalgia that comes with the PS2. But it was the PS3 that fostered my love/skill for certain types of games.

 

 

 

 

 

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,162]

Like I said, I had a hell of a time on the PS3, but I think that the PS4 or the Xbone is too focused on being multimedia machines (dare I say, a PC) instead of just being a device that you can just put a disk in and play it.

 

From my own experience I would argue that the PS3 was more multimedia focused than the PS4; but that is from my own perspective.

 

In the end though to say that all consoles after the PS2 are trash is a subjective thing. Arguably I would say that things have improved; though probably not in any great leap. I loved the PS2 like many did, but  I've also moved on and it doesn't help that time hasn't been kind to the physical PS2 that I own.

[Unikitty 1,212]

Never cared for much for PS2 exclusives and I've had plenty of fun on my Xbox360, Wii, Wii U, and multiple non-Sony handhelds that came out after the PS2. So I'd say that everything after the PS2 doesn't suck at all and you're just stuck lamenting over your favourite console.

"[insert console here] is better than [x console/all other consoles] because I think it is and must validate this opinion by making it sound like objective fact."

Games make a console, and I've been fully content with the games that have come out on non-Sony consoles. The PS4 has some interesting titles coming out this year, but it's only the PS1 that's ever had a place in my heart as far as its family goes.

Edited January 25, 2016 by Unikitty

[SpeedyTortoise 23]

I liked the 360, I grew up with the ps2 and Ape Escape 2. The ps2 had some really really good games. Too bad emulation is not that good on Linux atm.

[Malinter 3,064]

Games make a console.

 

 That's just it. Alot of older games could take up weeks or even months for you to complete if "doing everything" was your thing, especially if you were a casual gamer. These days however, most new, pointlessly over HD, 60 fps b******ks can be completed more or less within an hour or two of you playing the damn game.

 

New games on later gens after the ps2 are very freaking short. Tbh even the pc gets this from time to time with people burning though the games or even dlc in an instant. XD

Edited January 25, 2016 by Malinter

[Unikitty 1,212]

 That's just it. Alot of older games could take up weeks or even months for you to complete if "doing everything" was your thing, especially if you were a casual gamer. These days however, most new, pointlessly over HD, 60 fps b******ks can be completed more or less within an hour or two of you playing the damn game.

 

New games on later gens after the ps2 are very freaking short. Tbh even the pc gets this from time to time with people burning though the games or even dlc in an instant. XD

 

I don't think it's quite that. The video game industry is larger today than it has ever been in all history. There are more people making games, and it is far easier to make video games that surpass those of the past. It's not a case of people getting lazy, rather it's a case in which we've become so very efficient at producing games. These triple digit developer teams were unheard of at the turn of the millennium, and people with the ability to make quality games were significantly more scarce. But with all this comes the problems we see popping up. We see teams driven by efficiency, looking to push things out quicker than ever. With demand at an all-time high, there's a constant need for bigger and better, and unfortunately this can sometimes just translate to 'more'.

 

But more on track. There are still plenty of games that come out on a regular basis that fulfill the longevity of games of old. On the same note, plenty of games in the past can be finished in as short a time as we may mock certain games of today for. It's not really a case of games getting worse, rather than just there being far more games available to the public and made by a far broader variety of developers. And with that comes the need for even casual gamers to be more diligent in their plays; resulting in many beating games faster and thus feeling like there was less.

 

And then you have to consider the individual. People who've been long time gamers are bound to be generally better at video games than people who aren't. If two people were presented the same game for the first time and told to beat it as fast as they can, the person most experienced in video games is going to win. That's just how being adept in a field works. Unfortunately, this means veteran gamers are more likely to desire more and more, making even perfectly suitable game by general standards, seem lackluster.

[Castle Bleck 19,394]

Because all the newer games and systems seem to favor style over substance.

[Malinter 3,064]

Because all the newer games and systems seem to favor style over substance.

 

Thats the feeling I get from most new games that come out these days. They look nice and i can understand they want the game to look nice but why should I spend my money if it will barely last me 2hrs? I could get a dvd or buy loads of older games on steam or something instead, XD

[simba86 1,541]

seems to me like they have become more focused on pumping out games as fast as they can and nickle and diming everyone to death than they are in putting out quality games that you can replay for years, 

[Guest]

If I may offer a counter point:

 

I grew up on classic retro consoles. to this day I am still a very avid retro gamer, you'll find me playing SNES titles regularly, hell I even have the buttons to an SNES controller tattooed on me, so I don't think there is any doubt in how much I love these retro systems and the games that were for them. However I must say to say that these newer gen consoles are just utter trash is kind of looking through the past with rose colored glasses. Let's not forget that while the consoles were "cheaper" at a $199 price tag, you have to consider the fact that $199 was worth $346.30 today. Which puts it at about the same price as the PS4 and Xbox One these days.

 

The price of last gen systems was actually entirely justified not just by the technology they held, but the lifespan of the systems. This last gen has been the longest generation of gaming we've ever had, spanning nearly 10 years. $600 (if you bought on launch) for a console that lasted 10 years I'd say is pretty good.

 

That being said, I have to say that the numbers disagree with you as well. At the rate the PS4 is selling, if it continues on this path, it will surpass the PS2 in console sales by its 10th year, possibly even before it. It is already the fastest selling console ever.

 

As for why these multimedia features exist? Consumers are demanding them. A lot of people want a way to watch Netflix on their TV without having to buy a smart TV and the PS4 is a cheaper solution to that problem in many cases. It also can play movies off of your flash drive and for $350, then couple in the ability to play blurays and DVDs that's a pretty good price point. The idea of other features on these consoles is to give people more for their money's worth. Nintendo is finding out the hard way that when you charge $300 for a system that has virtually no media capabilities while your competitors only want $50 more for all of those features, people don't want it.

 

I think that while the graphical jump was not as big this generation, the systems are still good systems.

 

The issue is NOT about the systems themselves, it's that the developers have lost their fucking marbles. Even Nintendo is doing it. They are engaging in business practices to make more money that they wouldn't have gotten away with years ago. However they used the PS3 and 360 era to sort of "train" a generation into accepting these practices. Games being shipped with crucial parts missing as DLC, pre-order bonuses, micro-transactions, etc. Hell even Nintendo's Amiibos are guilty of this shit.

 

The problem isn't the consoles, it's the developers.

 

However there are still lots of GREAT developers who are not treating the consumer like an ATM, we can only hope that these developers begin to take the market back.

[Celli 4,341]

I don't think they're all trash. The PS3 and 360 were really good at the end of their life cycles. The Wii less so. 

But at this point, I don't really care about consoles anymore, and I've moved on to PC, and that's where I'll stay.

I do have a Wii U, though,  and I do love it. 

[Discordian 6,015]

I will always assert that anyone who thinks new consoles aren't as good as old ones just hasn't played enough games. Multimedia features aside there's games for everyone out there. You might have to search the deepest pits of Amazon listings to find some but I'm willing to bet real money everyone who says that can find a minimum of ten games on every modern console if they looked hard enough.

 

Like your Japanese-made RPGs? Play Nier, Disgaea or Tales of Zestiria. There's also always a Final Fantasy game floating around out there.

 

Maybe shooters is your thing? Spec Ops: The Line, RAGE, Gears of War and Army of Two are great choices.

 

Got an itch for an open-world game? Infamous, Gravity Rush, Red Dead Redemption and Far Cry are out there waiting for you.

 

There is veeeeeeeeeeeery little that old consoles had that new ones can't match or do better.

[Malinter 3,064]

There is veeeeeeeeeeeery little that old consoles had that new ones can't match or do better.

 

The length of some of them is the biggest problem. Old games had to use every trick in the programming book to squeeze them into there cartridge and/or disk. New Consoles should be able to blast old games out of the water in all regards and yet they don't because the people making the games waste all the fancy new technology (and disk/HD space) on making games look pretty over playable.

[Discordian 6,015]

The length of some of them is the biggest problem. Old games had to use every trick in the programming book to squeeze them into there cartridge and/or disk. New Consoles should be able to blast old games out of the water in all regards and yet they don't because the people making the games waste all the fancy new technology (and disk/HD space) on making games look pretty over playable.

I've not seen many games where that was the case, actually. I don't know why people always say this.