Which character had the worst reformation

[TwilightAngel 109]

Was gonna say Starlight. But everyone here beat me to it. 

[cider float 2,538]

Diamond Tiara had a terrible reformation. Why is it that we just know about her mother being overbearing on her on the same episode she will get reformed? Stuff like this should take time, the details given out little by little not all at once, it was so generic and just dumb.

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,161]

I'm not even gonna mention Sombra; the comics just...well, I won't say botched it, but it was underwhelming at least.

 

However, and I am probably playing devil's advocate here more than anything, but I would like to bring up Luna's reformation. Probably moreso than any other villain her reformation brings up an interesting question: Did she just automatically get over her feeling of forever being in Celestia's shadow?

 

My pont is that are the Elements of Harmony just a magical reset button, or is there something I am missing? For her to be reformed, she was hit by the magical rainbow beam and...that's it. She is suddenly sorry and things are back to the way they should be. Of course her reformation could've been in the background during season 1, but still...the more I've thought of it the more THAT one seems rushed.

[1234zua 19]

I don't hate Starlight Glimmer, but I'm gonna have to go with her. Starlight's was rushed and her backstory was weak. Nobody in their right mind would turn evil over one lost friend.

[SolyWack 482]

People are gonna bash Starlight Glimmer, because it was the most recent, so take those with a grain of salt. At least there was no Elements of Harmony magically changing her.

 

Which leads me to Sunset, which peeps are also bashing on. To me, Sunset wasn't really a bad guy at heart, she was just far superior to everybody else, and felt a lust for power. Then we she got shot with the EoH, it wasn't the elements that made her good, but her realizing she finally lost.

 

But anyway, theres really no doubt that Diamond Tiara's was the worst. Even if you dont follow my thoughts above, Starlight and Sunset had 44 minutes, and ~90 minutes to be reformed, respectively. Diamond was reformed in one episode by a simple song and dance (literally).

[Concerned Bystander 2,902]

Human Twilight, pretty much nothing about that whole 'midnight sparkle' thing made any sense at all.

 

The best was definitely Luna you can't exactly call it rushed when it took five seasons before she finally released the emotional burden of what she had done as Nightmare Moon.

[Scootaloo9074090 501]

On 2016-02-07 at 4:22 PM, The Wife of Hawks said:

My vote is for Diamond Tiara.

my vote is for Sunset Shimmer at least Diamond Tiara was forgiven by the cutie mark crusader and everypony and Spoiled rich is the one to be blame for diamond Tiara behavior and  I know diamond Tiara  redemption was rush at least diamond Tiara stand up against her mother and sunset shimmer redemption was force and also rush the element of harmony just brainwash her into a completely new character and removing her old personify 

[JMTV99 1,354]

To me, Discord had the worst reformation. Bar none.

Discord works better as a villain because he is type of character who have no redeeming qualities other than being the embodiment of chaos and trying to take over Equestria for the sake of his own personal gain. So the fact that this show wants to reform him just because they saw some good in him is like having Batman trying to reform The Joker. You can't do that. You cannot do that. Especially considering the fact he had done some MUCH WORSE stuff later on in the show(after he got redeemed) and gets away with it without facing consequences. So in hindsight, Discord's reformation is the worst thing that had happened in the entire show  franchise, period.

Some people may point out Sunset's, Starlight's, or even Diamond Tiara's redemption, but those are easily forgivable compared to Discord's redemption, that's for sure.

Edited May 9, 2021 by JMTV99

[cuteycindyhoney 13,307]

Why does everyone hate on character redemption episodes, story arcs? Many even post their negative opinions of them as fact.

 

Personally, I LOVE them! Friendship is Magic, in my opinion (See, that's not hard to add) includes a former enemy's redemption and reclamation.

In Doctor Who, the Doctor even tried to reform Missy!

(I really enjoyed Peter Capaldi's Doctor)

[Astralshy 26,906]

1 hour ago, cuteycindyhoney said:

Personally, I LOVE them! Friendship is Magic, in my opinion (See, that's not hard to add) includes a former enemy's redemption and reclamation.

I also love them. This being said I also think there are some which are better done than others. For me the best redemption would be of Discord followed by Starlight. From the given option in the poll I would say the weakest or worst one is of Sunset Shimmer. I don't hate it or anything but I think it's weakest one of this list.

[Misty Shadow 7,905]

At the time, I would've said Starlight, since her reformation is admittedly rushed in The Cutie Re-Mark. Now, however, out of the options, I would say Discord. Begrudgingly, since I used to be a big Discord fan. However, the "reformed" Discord, has gone on record to torture ponies for petty reasons, shown cases of extreme narcissism, and endangered all of Equestria twice after he was "reformed", first when he betrayed Equestria to Tirek and second when he used the villains. Manipulating the Mane 6 to destroy Sombra is something a psychopath would've done. 

I was the complete opposite of this at the time this poll was around, but now, UGH. Also keep in mind that the way I'm ranking reformation here is based on how much that once evil character changed and proved they were now good. Discord's reformation is a complete failure in that regard. 

[Toastypk 923]

In the criteria of believable, I honestly don't think I would rank any of them that low enough to be declared the worst. Some maybe are done better than others, though. I feel Discord before Twilight's Kingdom was an either or sort of thing, but after that episode, it pretty much cemented it. Beneficial trickery notwithstanding. 

[Castle Bleck 19,376]

Garble, Caballeron, and Ahuizotl need to be added.

Edited May 9, 2021 by Orcus on His Throne

[Megas 27,697]

Changing my vote, it's fucking Discord, he got worse and worse even after his reformation to the point it where it completely destroys the final season  and the series finale, among other things, and eventually turned out to be one of the worst things the show's ever done

 

1 hour ago, Orcus on His Throne said:

Garble, Dr. Caballeron, and Ahuizotl need to be added.

lol this, what a fucking load of garbage, especially the huge retconning of Ahuizotl "I Was just a guardian protecting the treasure", no you fucking weren't. You were a simple saturday morning cartoon villain and that's all you needed to be

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[JMTV99 1,354]

21 hours ago, cuteycindyhoney said:

Why does everyone hate on character redemption episodes, story arcs? Many even post their negative opinions of them as fact.

Well, to be fair, I don't hate the fact that villains being redeemed(in fact I do love Gilda's and Diamond Tiara's reformation), but the problem is that most redemptions are being so rushed and underdeveloped and they could've added more time for the characters to learn and grow from their actions.

Edited May 10, 2021 by JMTV99

[Thrond 3,263]

I didn't really buy Gilda; her two appearances didn't really seem like the same character to me. The same is true of Ahuizotl more recently, though I kinda prefer the later version. Garble was one-dimensional enough that I could probably believe anything from him, but also I don't care about Garble. 

Discord and Starlight both made me kinda impatient, as being "reformed" didn't seem to stop them from doing awful things; Starlight was never really a favourite character of mine, but she eventually mellowed out, whereas I enjoyed Discord some 99% of the time but always felt he was a jerk. But at least the steps of their journeys made some sort of sense, even if I don't quite understand why the mane six tolerated them so much. 

Really, I generally like when characters are reformed in this show, and if anything I kinda wish it happened even more often. 

Edited May 10, 2021 by AlexanderThrond

[horses are weird 23]

Sombra.

 

 

...because he didn't even get reformed, he got straight up executed. I know some people will say that "not everyone can be saved" and I would agree... if it was from a show that wasn't called "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic".

Edited May 10, 2021 by horses are weird

[Scootaloo9074090 501]

23 hours ago, JMTV99 said:

To me, Discord had the worst reformation. Bar none.

Discord works better as a villain because he is type of character who have no redeeming qualities other than being the embodiment of chaos and trying to take over Equestria for the sake of his own personal gain. So the fact that this show wants to reform him just because they saw some good in him is like having Batman trying to reform The Joker. You can't do that. You cannot do that. Especially considering the fact he had done some MUCH WORSE stuff later on in the show(after he got redeemed) and gets away with it without facing consequences. So in hindsight, Discord's reformation is the worst thing that had happened in the entire show  franchise, period.

Some people may point out Sunset's, Starlight's, or even Diamond Tiara's redemption, but those are easily forgivable compared to Discord's redemption, that's for sure.

my vote is for Sunset Shimmer at least Diamond Tiara was forgiven by the cutie mark crusader and everypony and Spoiled rich is the one to be blame for diamond Tiara behavior and  I know diamond Tiara  redemption was rush at least diamond Tiara stand up against her mother and sunset shimmer redemption was force and also rush the element of harmony just brainwash her into a completely new character and removing her old personify 

[JMTV99 1,354]

1 minute ago, Scootaloo67575 said:

my vote is for Sunset Shimmer at least Diamond Tiara was forgiven by the cutie mark crusader and everypony and Spoiled rich is the one to be blame for diamond Tiara behavior and  I know diamond Tiara  redemption was rush at least diamond Tiara stand up against her mother and sunset shimmer redemption was force and also rush the element of harmony just brainwash her into a completely new character and removing her old personify 

I can understand your points on why you think Sunset Shimmer is the worst. For me, I don't hate Sunset Shimmer. I can tolerate her now. I mean, yes, her redemption is completely half-assed, but at least she was decent after Rainbow Rocks came out.

[cuteycindyhoney 13,307]

Hmmm, people are still stating their opinion as fact.

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One fan's "Half-assed" is another fan's strong story writing. Stating your opinion doesn't make it a fact for everyone.

 

[Misty Shadow 7,905]

1 hour ago, cuteycindyhoney said:

Hmmm, people are still stating their opinion as fact.

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One fan's "Half-assed" is another fan's strong story writing. Stating your opinion doesn't make it a fact for everyone.

 

And people are still backing up their opinions with facts. I am usually in the habit of saying "to me" and "in my opinion" when I voice my thoughts, but I don't expect everyone else to do the same. So long as we are explaining why we think the writing is half-assed, why does it matter?

[Cash In 22,378]

I didn't like Garble's reformation. It felt like pretty much a retread of Bab Seed's reformation and to an extent, Diamond Tiara's as well. The problem was that I found him ten times more unlikeable to the point where I had no idea if they were even going to bother trying. It ended up feeling completely underwhelming, especially because the reason behind wasn't anything really new. I get the point behind it, but it really just didn't click with me personally.