I feel like fans complain about episodes for no real reason

[Aurora Glimmer 494]

I truly wonder whether any effort is being made to distinguish people who blindly hate and people who have legitimate reasons for their criticisms. I imagine that when you love something so much, any and all criticism tends to blend together as exactly the same. 

 

In any case, I'm well aware that the notion that the show has actually dropped in quality cannot be entertained in the slightest. 

If you think the show's dropped in quality, why are you still watching it? I stopped watching new episodes of The Simpsons and South Park after those shows stopped entertaining me. There are legitimate criticisms that can be made of Seasons 5 and 6 (the pacing of newer episodes often feels off to me), but if it's gotten to the point where the bad outweighs the good for you, maybe it's time for you to move on. There has to be a point where it's not worth sticking around any longer, right? If you're sticking around because you don't want to leave the fandom but you don't like the newer episodes, why not stay a fan but refrain from watching any new episodes? Going back to what I said earlier, I still consider myself a Simpsons fan, but I don't watch any episodes after Season 9 or so.

Edited June 5, 2016 by Silvestra Spooner

[Steve Piranha 29,428]

Yeah, it's like they want to finally see the show suck. Man, I miss the silly rants like Flash Sentry is stealing waifus 

[Mand'alor Dash 2,224]

I can get why you'd dislike an episode (although I'm well past the point of having strong feelings about FiM episodes), but we unfortunately live in a world where people get offended by My Little Pony cartoons. And repeatedly, at that.

 

Perhaps it's best if we just drop the bomb and end civilization. I know we've had our moments as a species, like all those times we've gone to the moon and back, but our age is clearly over. I bet the dinosaurs are glad they went extinct before they sank this low. Just leave a badass memorial for aliens to find in a thousand years, and gracefully fall on our sword. Nobody has to know that the dominant species of planet Earth was once offended by My Little Pony.

[Lambdadelta 1,462]

 

 

you should probably just stop watching it because who follows shows they don't even like?

Maybe in deep down in their heart, they still care about the show and want it to be better, and the show keep failing them  , i dont know. If i dont care about the show, i will stop watching and simply leave the fanbase, no one will notice and care.

 

 

 

Complaining about people ruining their experience by over-analyzing what's meant to be a nice and calm show.

Even the most innocence show cant escape from criticism  Deal with it.

[ConcorDisparate 385]

 

 

Even the most innocence show cant escape from criticism Deal with it.

Yes, but what's the point of criticizing for the sake of it ? If you are not able to change things, or even listened by the writers, it isn't constructive. If that makes you feel better, why not ? But when it's just attacking continuously a character when you dislike its choices, over and over, you are just making yourself feel bad over nothing.

And no, there is no "deal with it". Even freedom has its limits. When someone is hurting himself, you can't just say "whatever" and leave; it is everyone's role to help him and show him a better way to consider the issue, even though he is free to criticize every single thing in the world.

[Wind Chaser 4,768]

The root problem here is that too many people around here don't think for themselves. People here want to complain because someone else didn't like an episode they liked or had a dissenting opinion about a character or an episode. You have to have a serious lack of critical thinking skills to base your perception of the show or the fandom on what a few people say. If you're looking for an amen corner, get the hell off this site. You won't find it here.

 

You can argue an uninformed opinion when you have the evidence to support your position. Angsting about how others "don't like what I like" and saying how certain positions and viewpoints are "the death of the fandom" is a good way to bring yourself down to their level.

 

Honestly, people, get a grip and learn to think for yourselves.

[Justin_Case001 4,896]

I feel like with the departure of Amy Keating Rogers, Larson, and McCarthy

Whoa....hold it right there....McCarthy is gone now too?!  Geeze, no wonder we've had some crashing and burning lately.  F********ck, dude....  Some of my favorite episodes were McCarthy's.  Well that sucks.  I hope she's involved with the movie at least.

 

Anyway, I can definitely sympathize, @TheAnimatorOfficial, but like Clover here, I don't criticize for no reason.  I may be harsh at times, and more so lately, but I always try to back up arguments and criticism with good reasons.  And when I get passionate over a writing decision I don't like (usually due to some personal bias), I try to provide a bit of a disclaimer.  (E.g. "I apologize for being overly critical, but blabbity blah."  Something like that.)

 

Honestly, though, I know what you mean, and I find excessive negativity depressing.  I try to always withhold judgement and give episodes a chance, but at the same time, there are certain decisions that admittedly cause me distress.  I think what gets on my nerves the most is lack of lore cohesion, continuity errors, and things of that nature.  If I think that something deserves criticism, then I will criticize it.  Typically, I've always been a FIM optimist and defender of the show, but frankly the writers are making it harder and harder these days.

 

 

I'd like to go into a bit more detail here, because this is something I've been thinking a lot about lately.  I love this show, but I also criticize it more harshly than others I watch, even other shows that I really love.  Take Game of Thrones for instance.  Now that they're out of books, they have to fill in a lot more themselves, without the final words of George Martin on the page in front of them.  There's probably already a lot to analyze and unpack in regards to whether season 6 has lived up to the rest or not, but I don't care.  I just watch.  I don't analyze.  What is the difference with FIM?  The difference for me, as I've come to terms with it, is that I have a very strong feminine side--a side to my personality that craves cute, colorful, positive, upbeat entertainment.  FIM helped fill a hole in my life that I never really knew was there.  Something was just missing, and I didn't know what.  The issue is that cute and colorful with good lore and writing is hard to come by.  There's nothing for adults in the style of FIM.  (Think of this as my thesis, here.)  As an adult, if you want entertainment with a high level of writing, acting, lore, and continuity, then you're basically limited to dark and cynical, more or less.  It often seems that way.  Look at things like Crash, Sling Blade, Falling Down, The Boondock Saints, Captain Phillips, Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones....these are some of my very favorite movies and shows of all time.  But you're never going to see a cute, colorful, positive, FIM-esque show or movie that takes itself as seriously as the aforementioned.  That's what I want, really.  It's not that I want them to make FIM R rated or something, but I'd love to see some cute, colorful, feminine shows or movies that have the quality of writing and lore of Lord of the Rings.  I think that the brony fandom is evidence that there is market for this, but probably not enough of one.  There's no reason I can't love the dark and cynical stuff just as much as FIM.  I love both, but it's nearly impossible to find the cute and colorful variety that's not also....well, dumb, really.  Why can't we have a cute, uplifting animated show or movie with the writing and continuity you'd expect from Best Picture Academy Award winners?  Again, just not enough of a market I suppose.  FIM has shown that they are capable of being incredibly good, but I'm always wishing that it could be more than it is, partly because I know they can, and partly because I want to satisfy that side of my personality with something cute, but also mature and well written.

 

So, to circle back and sum up, the reason I criticize harshly sometimes is because I want a cute and uplifting show with a devotion to quality that studios don't seem willing to put into a kid's show.  Just because I'm 30 doesn't mean I only want Game of Thrones.  Really, though, FIM hasn't committed any worse sins than most other shows.  But I hope this explains why I sometimes get whirled up about a decision I don't like.

[Lambdadelta 1,462]

 

 

But when it's just attacking continuously a character when you dislike its choices, over and over, you are just making yourself feel bad over nothing.

 

*Loo

 

If you are not able to change things, or even listened by the writers, it isn't constructive. If that makes you feel better, why not ?

Then can you convince people to not doing this? No?    I am Starlight fan, can i put the gun in every people's heads to stop talking shit about my favorite character cuz I'm really annoying everytime i saw their hate comments in every comment sections   Can i do that? No, i cant do that becuz i know everyone has different viewpoints and they have rights to express their opinions  . This is forum, defend what you like with your reasoning or just ignore the hates if you cant do anything about that  .

 

 

But I hope this explains why I sometimes get whirled up about a decision I don't like.

You criticize harshly becuz you love the show so much, right? . If you dont love the show, why bother?.

 

Criticism is tough love   The more you criticize the show, the more you love it

 

Bashing/ranting at everything is not tough love, they are abusive

[ConcorDisparate 385]

 

 

I am Starlight fan, can i put the gun in every people's heads to stop talking shit about my favorite character cuz I'm really annoying everytime i saw their hate comments in every comment sections Can i do that? No, i cant do that becuz i know everyone has different viewpoints and they have rights to express their opinions . This is forum, defend what you like with your reasoning or just ignore the hates if you cant do anything about that .

You are considering things from a different point of view, I am not contradicting what you state here ^. My point isn't about "how their actions affect me", but "how their actions affect themselves". For example : someone is drunk and wants to get home with his car. What I am saying is, it is your role to stop him, even though you have no right towards him. What you are saying is, everyone is free to make his own opinions and choices, if that makes you feel bad to see him do that, ignore it. I consider the drunk one, you consider yourself. I know this doesn't reflect the reality, because I'm sure you wouldn't do that, what I mean is, we are considering things from two different angles, and it makes no sense do discuss in that situation, because we might agree while claiming opposite ideas.

 

Criticizing when you can't impact what you criticize is useless in its nature if you don't find a form of happiness in doing so (hate, etc..). For example : You go to a forest with a friend, and during the whole thing, he is criticizing the trees, how bad they are spread, how bad the leaves look.. What do you do ? He is free to have an opinion and criticize. Even if Nature won't ever listen, even if you don't want to hear it, even if it doesn't make him feel better.

But what's better ? Follow this idea and let him waste an occasion to feel happy, just because he has the right to have an opinion, or showing him that it's going nowhere and how much better he could feel if he if spent that time enjoying things rather than feeling bad over nothing ?

[Sunny Fox 5,951]

If I like an episode, I'll praise it, and say why I think it's good. If I dislike an episode, I'll criticize it, and say why I think it's bad. I have that right. So does everyone else. It's that simple.

[HolyCelestia 8]

If I like an episode, I'll praise it, and say why I think it's good. If I dislike an episode, I'll criticize it, and say why I think it's bad. I have that right. So does everyone else. It's that simple.

and ppl should have the right to criticize you if they dont agree

[Sunny Fox 5,951]

and ppl should have the right to criticize you if they dont agree

Exactly! They're perfectly entitled to disagree with me. But not to criticize me for simply having an opinion. One can attack my position all they like, but they should never attack me for taking a position.

[Guest]

Being upset over a mediocre cartoon is way low on my list of things to do. I set my expectations for this show relatively low so I'm never vastly disappointed.

 

We do mysteriously get some people that have appeared to not like the show since season 3, but are still here though.

Edited June 6, 2016 by Guest

[Mesme Rize 15,683]

I can sympathize with that. It's okay to have a healthy discussion about the future episodes and what kinda things you expect from them.

 

But if you go in, already expecting for the worst, you will go in with this mindset and even if it has some positive elements, you will completly overlook and think it's flatout bad.

 

I will not say that the current season has no problems. But seriously, i really don't think it's that bad as people make it out to be.

[Buck Testa 5,505]

 

 

We do mysteriously get some people that have appeared to not like the show since season 3, but are still here though.

 

Those are of dwindling numbers thankfully.

 

 

 

There's no reason I can't love the dark and cynical stuff just as much as FIM.  I love both, but it's nearly impossible to find the cute and colorful variety that's not also....well, dumb, really.  Why can't we have a cute, uplifting animated show or movie with the writing and continuity you'd expect from Best Picture Academy Award winners?

 

I couldn't agree with you more on that point. I enjoy having an eclectic set of tastes, yet I want those shows I watch to have good writing and be entertaining. This season has certainly had a rocky start with the first few episodes, but I'd say its stabilized itself fairly well so far. This probably won't be my FAVORITE season, but its not bad. 

 

If I ever got to the point where just every episode was ticking me off and the writing tanked to TTG levels I'd just leave. There are some things I wish they'd have handled better (Starlight calling herself evil is cringe worthy. No one really thinks they are evil, much less spells it out so blatantly like that. "I've made mistakes" or "I was in a dark place" or anything along those lines would have been better), but the show is still entertaining for me. 

[HolyCelestia 8]

All my brony friends stopped liking the fandom and the show because of the 'haters' (usually a minority that take the show too seriously and spam hate comments everywhere, to the point where it feels like 80% of the comments are made by them).

 

I personally never cared about fandoms, but thanks to this type of stuff I have no1 in real life to talk to about the show.

 

It creates a ridiculous situation, where the show lose incredible amount of potential fans because of maybe 1% of the community.

[RattleSnake 46]

Regardless of how good or bad something is it's hard to please everyone. We all have our different and sometimes conflicting opinions on whats best making it nearly impossile to make evryone happy. For example, Pinkie Pie is my favorite pony and I'd like to see more episodes with her but that would mean less episodes focusing on other ponies and although I adore Pinkie Pie and her silly ways others find her annoying and they may prefer more episodes ith Rainbow Dash.

Edited June 7, 2016 by RattleSnake

[greenflare 154]

You have to understand that due to the subjective nature of liking or disliking things about TV shows, what other people say is not a proclamation of the shows general quality, it's simply what they think. If they have a good argument to back their contention up, then fair enough, but for me anyways, most of what I hear is usually pretty ignorant or insubstantial. But that's the beauty of art and critique isn't it, we're all not going to see eye to eye, and that's so much more interesting. I want open discourse, regardless of the leaning towards negative or positive, hell, better negative discussion rather than little to no discussion at all.

This.

I personally find "Bats!" and "The Mysterious Mare Do Well" to be the worst episodes of the show, but I don't think the show is ruined by these two disasterpieces, I have my reasons to hate them and am willing to share them if people are interested.

[EverEverOn 346]

Personally, I think most fans have forgotten that this is a children's show. I see so many brownies saying an episode was too corny, had a bad plot, the conflict was resolved terribly, etc. MLP isn't entirely meant to be suitable for everyone. It was made for children, therefore, the staff works hard to make it enjoyable for children. Sure, they put in jokes and references adults would understand, but that's the extent of it.

The show wasn't made just for bronies. It was made for children. A lot of people are being overly critical over a children's show made to feel toys.

[Luminance 2,186]

It's up to each individual's perspective to decide if an episode is whether good or not. Any good or bad episode doesn't determine the "fate" of the fandom or to judge it's viable health but complaining about it to the point where people are leaving seems like an overreaction to me.

[Swifty 249]

All my brony friends stopped liking the fandom and the show because of the 'haters' (usually a minority that take the show too seriously and spam hate comments everywhere, to the point where it feels like 80% of the comments are made by them).

 

I personally never cared about fandoms, but thanks to this type of stuff I have no1 in real life to talk to about the show.

 

It creates a ridiculous situation, where the show lose incredible amount of potential fans because of maybe 1% of the community.

The fandom? Okay. The show, too? It's like i stop watching GoT, because i cant handle the negative book readers. Doesn't sound mature either.

[Aurora Glimmer 494]

There are some things I wish they'd have handled better (Starlight calling herself evil is cringe worthy. No one really thinks they are evil, much less spells it out so blatantly like that. "I've made mistakes" or "I was in a dark place" or anything along those lines would have been better), but the show is still entertaining for me. 

Well, what adjective should you use to describe what she did?

 

Anyway, I can definitely sympathize, @TheAnimatorOfficial, but like Clover here, I don't criticize for no reason.  I may be harsh at times, and more so lately, but I always try to back up arguments and criticism with good reasons.  And when I get passionate over a writing decision I don't like (usually due to some personal bias), I try to provide a bit of a disclaimer.  (E.g. "I apologize for being overly critical, but blabbity blah."  Something like that.)

 

Honestly, though, I know what you mean, and I find excessive negativity depressing.  I try to always withhold judgement and give episodes a chance, but at the same time, there are certain decisions that admittedly cause me distress.  I think what gets on my nerves the most is lack of lore cohesion, continuity errors, and things of that nature.  If I think that something deserves criticism, then I will criticize it.  Typically, I've always been a FIM optimist and defender of the show, but frankly the writers are making it harder and harder these days.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. While I don't like the relentless negativity that seems all too common in the pony fandom these days, there are times when I need to vent about boneheaded decisions the writers make. Case in point: The Cutie Re-Mark and Starlight Glimmer's lackluster backstory and hasty redemption.

Edited June 9, 2016 by Silvestra Spooner

[heavens-champion 1,905]

It's the Sonic fandom all over again.

[Moony the Cat 3,702]

I think some People want their Shows to be, exactly like they imagine it.

I think some People forget, that it isnt their Show but thats a Problem i see with many Fandoms.

 

I dont know, i wish some People would be a little bit more tolerable. Maybe.

[Lambdadelta 1,462]

I think some People want their Shows to be, exactly like they imagine it.

I think some People forget, that it isnt their Show but thats a Problem i see with many Fandoms.

 

I dont know, i wish some People would be a little bit more tolerable. Maybe.

Ah ha. Guess what?  Season 6 episode 12 get 143,000 views and everyone panics  and say this show is doom. Anyway, just dont let them "corrupt" you   The show is not perfect, i know, but i have a faith in them. 

Visit negative threads too much, you risk to be corrupted, beware!