Fellow Starlight haters: Could she ever be made likeable? How?

[EmeraldStar04 250]

I have no idea how she could be made likeable. It feels like every episode she's in just reminds me why I hate her or why I hate the writers that think making the lovechild of Broly and Big Red canon will instantly make me love her.

[Mothra 685]

You could say the same for any character though, since there's none that are hated by 100% of the fandom. I think Starlight is already very likable

Edited October 28, 2016 by Magistrate Mothra

[KrazyDashie 1,847]

You could say the same for any character though, since there's none that are hated by 100% of the fandom. I think Starlight is already very likable

huh... that is actually true o3o

[EmeraldStar04 250]

You could say the same for any character though, since there's none that are hated by 100% of the fandom. I think Starlight is already very likable

I said FELLOW.

 

I have yet to meet a Starlight fan that can understand why I or others don't like her. They pretend to listen to my explanation, then insist I'm wrong about everything and Starlight is actually best waifu.

[Mothra 685]

They pretend to listen to my explanation, then insist I'm wrong about everything and Starlight is actually best waifu.

 

What explanation? all you said was you don't like her

 

 

 

I have no idea how she could be made likeable. It feels like every episode she's in just reminds me why I hate her or why I hate the writers

 

Unless the lovechild thing was the argument

Edited October 28, 2016 by Magistrate Mothra

[KrazyDashie 1,847]

I said FELLOW.

 

I have yet to meet a Starlight fan that can understand why I or others don't like her. They pretend to listen to my explanation, then insist I'm wrong about everything and Starlight is actually best waifu.

to each their own I guess. some people hate characters, some people like characters. (if that makes sense )

 

and to be honest... I don't really know why you don't like her... because you haven't explained anything

[GrimGrimoire 4,973]

I have yet to meet a Starlight fan that can understand why I or others don't like her. They pretend to listen to my explanation, then insist I'm wrong about everything and Starlight is actually best waifu.

 

How can you be wrong about an opinion? That does not make any sense at all.

 

A lot of people hate Starlight. I don't understand why people get so defensive when someone says they like or hate something in particular. I do think people tend to over exaggerate her as a character and her actions within the show though instead of just admitting she rubs them the wrong way for whatever reason. We don't all have to adore the same characters and feel the exact same way about every single episode.

 

I don't hate Starlight, I just find her uninteresting overall. The potential is there IMO, but I just don't feel like it is being utilized... maybe because of the slower pace season 6 felt like it had to me and how the cast just feel fragmented currently. They could make her better in my opinion by giving her solid goals instead of just standing around waiting for Twilight to teach her how to butter bread or something while she frets about whether the rest of the mane 6 will like her or not. Give her parts in the show itself without having her be the central theme of the show... if she is going to be a part of the main cast let's make her feel that way... instead of making the episode about her and what zany thing she might do today while the rest of the characters just show up to get some small screen time. Right now the only real interaction she has done with anypony is with Twilight... and that gets old fast. I want to see Starlight and Fluttershy/Rarity/RD/Pinkie/AJ have some

screen time together that does not center around how comfortable they are around each other, but about whatever is going on in the episode and what they are doing together to solve it. Watching the characters walk on eggshells around each other is just not entertaining to me.. let's just move forward and actually see them do things together.

 

If not, just make her go be a background character like the rest of the town. I would be OK with that as well.

[Merion 783]

and to be honest... I don't really know why you don't like her... because you haven't explained anything

Come on guys, why does EmeraldStar have to explain anything? ^^' It's ok to dislike (or hate, even) a character without a clear, solid reason. What's the point of questioning someone's opinion? ^^'

[BastementSparkle 20,328]

 

 

Come on guys, why does EmeraldStar have to explain anything? ^^' It's ok to dislike (or hate, even) a character without a clear, solid reason. What's the point of questioning someone's opinion? ^^'

 

 

He doesn't have to explain anything if he doesn't want to, of course. But giving your opinion probably means people are going to be curious about it.

 

 If he dislikes Starlight, fine by me. If he doesn't feel like explaining, fine by me. But when someone says they don't like a character, especially one I do like, my first thought is always "Why?" Not necessarily so I can try to convince them otherwise, but just because I'd wonder why someone came to a certain opinion, especially when that opinion is radically different than mine.

 

 That said, this thread isn't about debating why Starlight is currently awesome or not, it's about what could possibly be done to make people who don't like her start finding her likable. So I'm not going to preach the gospel of the cult of Starlight here.

 

 Unless I see someone say Starlight purposely tried to destroy Equestria, that misconception needs to die! :=:

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

They could have get sucked into a magical vortex never to be seen again, that would go a long way to help.

 

On a more serious note, I think 'To where and back again' was one of her better episodes (post reformation).  I've certainly gone from outright despising her to merely disliking her intensely.  The main problem with her goes right back to the end of series 5, in a 'blink and you'll miss it' reformation she went from being a very interesting villain (albeit with a flawed back story) to being a Sunset clone.  I know that EQG basically doesn't exist in the FiM universe, but they could have tried to make her stand out a bit more as a unique character rather than using her as a Trojan horse (pun intended) to basically introduce Sunset into FiM without her leaving Canterlot High.

 

There is potential for her somewhere in that mess though, her actions in 'Every little thing she does' a mere 4 episodes before the finale showed that she really hasn't taken any of her friendship lessons to heart, as it clearly didn't register to her at all that using mind control magic on her friends isn't exactly acceptable behaviour.  I know that it won't happen, but to my mind the best way to make her a good character would be to have her backslide into her old ways and become a villain again.  She was a good villain, it was just a shame that they tainted that by making her motivations for her wrongdoings so feeble.

[Lambdadelta 1,462]

 

 

have yet to meet a Starlight fan that can understand why I or others don't like her. They pretend to listen to my explanation, then insist I'm wrong about everything and Starlight is actually best waifu.

 This happen to everything i hate and people just love them and pretend i am not existed so what about me? Why is it matter?    Some Starlight haters i know in EDQ dont give a single buck about everything positives about Starlight and piss at every thread and comment when they triggered them. Do i should empathy with every of them? The fact i read too many arguments back to Cutie Remark until now, to the point i can understand what people hate about Starlight in general.

 

I know Starlight's character is not perfect if not flawed, and people have reasons to hate her, but i dont have to agree with everything they said, because i believe things will get better.

 

What do you guys want to achive? You guys have solid arguments, perfect reasonings, to prove Starlight is the worst character this show have ever created, and her fan are some fools to favor this copy cat version of some even more better character, and they  can just leave some "nice" comments, cuz their counter-arguments didnt not even satisfy you guys, and they back to their own shed and celebrate their favorite character   => This is a achivement, their fans cant give a proper counter-point, so you guys are right all along, tell me what your next move... 

[FlareGun45 2,221]

Well opinions are opinions. I'm sure she can be likable to some of them, but not all of them. I guess there are always to make her likable to most of them, because I haven't seen many Spike haters since before season 6. Just a few, but not as much as it used to. Season 6 pretty much fixed him, so who's to say it can't happen to Starlight?

Edited October 28, 2016 by MegaSean45

[Heavenly Inexplicit 309]

I said FELLOW.

I have yet to meet a Starlight fan that can understand why I or others don't like her. They pretend to listen to my explanation, then insist I'm wrong about everything and Starlight is actually best waifu.

Woah woah woah now, watch your attitude! We're all friends here, don't forget that!

 

Anyways, I don't think that people will ever stop hating Starlight, because they'll just point to her backstory and say that her reformation was too rushed, or that she's too "OP". And that's cool, but these silly Internet fights over have got to stop, it's killing the friendly spirit of the community.

 

But I could be wrong, because you may hate her for entirely different reasons.

 

(Personally, I like the characters for what they are. I don't really understand this character hatemongering that seems to be happening so much in the brony community, but it's really saddening to see a fandom that was once about love and tolerance start fighting over such petty things)

Edited October 28, 2016 by Heavenly Sun

[Megas 27,770]

Give her some actually meaningful interaction with the remane 5 instead of the bullshit ELTSD pulled and I might get more interested in her

[Ponies4Bronies 394]

I'm sure that since she literally tried to destroy Equestria and she is now like their best friend and they act like it didn't happen(I think there was one reference to it by Spike). This makes some people and me dislike her. I felt like she was just crammed in there for no reason. It's unrealistic to have everybody flip flop on her like that. Nobody does that, it's like me becoming best buddies with Bashir Al-Assad after he decided to be a kind ruler and totally not use chemical weapons. Other than that she is uninteresting. 

[Unlikeable Pony 2,698]

I have no idea how she could be made likeable. It feels like every episode she's in just reminds me why I hate her or why I hate the writers that think making the lovechild of Broly and Big Red canon will instantly make me love her.

not really.

A big thing would be to boot her from her current position into a VERY minor character who lives in the village and occasionally contributes a very minor amount to the show, like zecora. Tone her back and then try and reintroduce her bit by bit, while toning down her super abilities.

 

 

 

They've managed to make me like characters I've disliked in the past (I hated show sombra but liked Comic sombra), but its usually been done by basically DELETING Who that character is and replacing them with an "in name only" character (like they did with sombra)

[EmeraldStar04 250]

Starlight is a Mary Sue.

 

An actual one. Not just a list of traits, but a real Mary Sue. Characters treat her with kid gloves and immediately befriend her, and forgive her for everything. The ponies she brainwashed are more willing to get back under her hoof than she is. She's stronger than Twilight and more magical and in the season finale that could have made me like her but instead made me hate her and her writers more, all the characters were tossed into a bin so she, Trixie, Discord, and "What are his character traits, again?" could take part in Generic Changeling Adventure Number #488.

 

"Hey," some Hasbro exec wonders, wanting to sell more toys. "I know how to sell more toys! Let's introduce that Seventh Element of Harmony fans have always wanted, and make her stronger than Twilight, to the point where you wonder why she isn't the real element of magic! Forget character depth or development, just make her strong and fans will love her! Forget any positive interactions with ponies not named Twilight, strength is everything! Oh, and... Make her female and our fans will forgive her for anything, even something that makes her more evil than Tirek and more deserving of Tartarus than Tirek!"

 

I don't like Starlight. Not as a person, or a character. She feels like someone's OC that somehow got onto the show, and she should suffer some kind of consequences for her actions but because she's a Sue, she never does! Out of all the Sue types I hate, I hate Canon Sues the most, because they'll get tons of dumb fans that think any fanmade OC is garbage unless it's popular and if it's canon it can't be a sue. They'll make excuses like "But X has to steal the show!" or "But X gets to be stronger and better than everyone else, he/she has a better backstory!" or "But I prefer to reinterpret scenes and pretend intent is the only important thing, not results. X only wanted to do what he/she thought was right, so what if it created many alternate timelines filled with suffering and death and pain and misery all because some pathetic foal couldn't get over her only friend leaving? Being absolutely detestable is proof she's not a sue!"

not really.

A big thing would be to boot her from her current position into a VERY minor character who lives in the village and occasionally contributes a very minor amount to the show, like zecora. Tone her back and then try and reintroduce her bit by bit, while toning down her super abilities.

 

 

 

They've managed to make me like characters I've disliked in the past (I hated show sombra but liked Comic sombra), but its usually been done by basically DELETING Who that character is and replacing them with an "in name only" character (like they did with sombra)

Now that... that could work. Also, if they revealed that Starlight could only beat Twilight in a fight because she was using dark magic, or she drained life force/cutie mark energy to strengthen herself, or only gets strong when she goes full psycho and then gets tricked easily, and she's normally not overpowered and capable of fighting Twilight on equal footing. And revealed most of the world wants to imprison her and hates her.

 

Maybe an ep where she visits the dimensions she ruined, and fights hard to fix them would make me like her. That'd also be a good way to get rid of her in a way that pleases everyone so the spotlight can return to the real heroes.

[Mothra 685]

I agree that she was forgiven way too easliy, much like Thorax with the 1 song, and her being more powerful than Twilight, or at least on the same level was kinda odd, you'd think someone would've heard about her or something. As for being a Mary Sue, she seemed to know a lot of spells and how to use magic as soon as she was introduced, but then also was still learning in every little thing she does, but then also again she's using those spells right away. It really does feel like all she has to do is read a thing without actually learning the spells to...well, learn the spells! But in saying that, you have to admit that Discord is the original Mary Sue (I know there's a male term for it, dunno what it is though)

 

Only thing I really disagree on is Hasbro wanting to seel more toys. Don't get me wrong, they do want to sell more toys, but they are a toy company afterall, and you cant really blame the writers or anyone that works on the show for anything the higher ups decide on. They even mentioned that when they had to include the swan boat thing from gift of the Maud pie, it was a real challenge, I'm just glad the show has at least kept it's dignity rather than flat out being one huge toy commercial

[EmeraldStar04 250]

I agree that she was forgiven way too easliy, much like Thorax with the 1 song, and her being more powerful than Twilight, or at least on the same level was kinda odd, you'd think someone would've heard about her or something. As for being a Mary Sue, she seemed to know a lot of spells and how to use magic as soon as she was introduced, but then also was still learning in every little thing she does, but then also again she's using those spells right away. It really does feel like all she has to do is read a thing without actually learning the spells to...well, learn the spells! But in saying that, you have to admit that Discord is the original Mary Sue (I know there's a male term for it, dunno what it is though)

 

Only thing I really disagree on is Hasbro wanting to seel more toys. Don't get me wrong, they do want to sell more toys, but they are a toy company afterall, and you cant really blame the writers or anyone that works on the show for anything the higher ups decide on. They even mentioned that when they had to include the swan boat thing from gift of the Maud pie, it was a real challenge, I'm just glad the show has at least kept it's dignity rather than flat out being one huge toy commercial

Discord was emotionally manipulated by Fluttershy on purpose and made emotionally dependent on her, solely because Celestia smelled incoming season finales and wanted his power on her side. You don't *YAY* with the Element of Kindness. Also, Pinkie's comment about her in EQG might not have been far off the mark after all.

[NeonCobalt 256]

Hi. Obnoxious Starlight fanboy here. I come in peace.

 

First off, I just want to say that, in my experience, these "haters only" threads don't end well for anyone, and end up getting people on both sides of the debate banned. Just a warning, tread lightly.

 

@@EmeraldStar04

I'm deeply sorry that you've gotten such a horrible impression of Starlight fans. I assure, we're not all like that, and we don't all "not listen" as you say. But to be 100% fair, I've seen quite a bit of that from your side of the argument as well. Such as, for example, people insisting that she purposely tried to destroy Equestria, is is demonstrably false.

Edited October 29, 2016 by NeonCobalt

[KrazyDashie 1,847]

Come on guys, why does EmeraldStar have to explain anything? ^^' It's ok to dislike (or hate, even) a character without a clear, solid reason. What's the point of questioning someone's opinion? ^^'

he DID ask for us to understand why he hates her... kinda anyway

 

I have yet to meet a Starlight fan that can understand why I or others don't like her. They pretend to listen to my explanation, then insist I'm wrong about everything and Starlight is actually best waifu.

I was just telling him I don't understand because he gave no explanation.

 

[Lil Pip 775]

Starlight is a Mary Sue.

 

An actual one. Not just a list of traits, but a real Mary Sue. Characters treat her with kid gloves and immediately befriend her, and forgive her for everything. The ponies she brainwashed are more willing to get back under her hoof than she is. She's stronger than Twilight and more magical and in the season finale that could have made me like her but instead made me hate her and her writers more, all the characters were tossed into a bin so she, Trixie, Discord, and "What are his character traits, again?" could take part in Generic Changeling Adventure Number #488.

 

"Hey," some Hasbro exec wonders, wanting to sell more toys. "I know how to sell more toys! Let's introduce that Seventh Element of Harmony fans have always wanted, and make her stronger than Twilight, to the point where you wonder why she isn't the real element of magic! Forget character depth or development, just make her strong and fans will love her! Forget any positive interactions with ponies not named Twilight, strength is everything! Oh, and... Make her female and our fans will forgive her for anything, even something that makes her more evil than Tirek and more deserving of Tartarus than Tirek!"

 

I don't like Starlight. Not as a person, or a character. She feels like someone's OC that somehow got onto the show, and she should suffer some kind of consequences for her actions but because she's a Sue, she never does! Out of all the Sue types I hate, I hate Canon Sues the most, because they'll get tons of dumb fans that think any fanmade OC is garbage unless it's popular and if it's canon it can't be a sue. They'll make excuses like "But X has to steal the show!" or "But X gets to be stronger and better than everyone else, he/she has a better backstory!" or "But I prefer to reinterpret scenes and pretend intent is the only important thing, not results. X only wanted to do what he/she thought was right, so what if it created many alternate timelines filled with suffering and death and pain and misery all because some pathetic foal couldn't get over her only friend leaving? Being absolutely detestable is proof she's not a sue!"

 

Now that... that could work. Also, if they revealed that Starlight could only beat Twilight in a fight because she was using dark magic, or she drained life force/cutie mark energy to strengthen herself, or only gets strong when she goes full psycho and then gets tricked easily, and she's normally not overpowered and capable of fighting Twilight on equal footing. And revealed most of the world wants to imprison her and hates her.

 

Maybe an ep where she visits the dimensions she ruined, and fights hard to fix them would make me like her. That'd also be a good way to get rid of her in a way that pleases everyone so the spotlight can return to the real heroes.

To the underlined part. So I bet you complain about new characters too before starlight bothered you, and when the mane 6 got all colorful and sparkly that one episode, or complain abotu eqg toys as well. In fact lets just have the mane 6 and no one else and nothing cool happening, that'd satisfy you, right?

 

So if Starlight got a spanking you would be happy? She already learned what she would, actually she learned better than if she were punished.

Also she does if you pay attention, she feels guilt and regret and is known as a person who did that thing. She fears interacting with others because of her mistakes. A Mary Sue gets what they want with little trouble, and always does everything correctly. She doesn't, she messes up and has to fix it. Or did you not watch season 6 at all? I think you are just upset she survived challenging Twilight and harming the mane 6 and such. Is that because if you challenged someone in greater authority without a valid reason you would be punished, or you like punishing those with less authority than you? Like would your parents spank you, and then guilt you, and Starlight isn't getting very yelled at too much, so you think she got by without two weeks detention or grounding? That stuff is not pro-social, which is the theme of the show. Friendship is magic. So lets not forgive a potential friend and send her to the dungeons!

 

^ to part in bold

 

To the red, that wouldn't make sense character development wise. Also revisiting old dimensions isn't something they would do it'd disinterest more people, and it'd take up too much space in future episodes.

 

To the blue. Ok you just sound spiteful and immature. Living a punishment fantasy and painting her as a villain to justify it morally. Thats a dangerous attitude. Also just because most might dislike her, which isn't the case, doesn't mean it'd be right. You know, like when people thought blood-letting and stuff were good practice. Or look up old wives tales, alot of people believed those, doesn't mean they were right just because they were the majority. So you would make everyone just as petty as you, to elevate your status to normal. Thats the fantasy you are speaking of here. 

 

To the green. RD yells at her when she oversteps boundaries, so you are plain wrong there.

 

To the purple, oh I guess you do actually criticize everything, the problem is you then not the show. Anyways, he is a changeling, someone used to impersonating a variety of people, his traits don't need to be consistent he just needs to express himself, besides, most people can be more complicated than a member of the mane 6, we can relate to multiple characters for example. Who is to say its really an issue with him, or that maybe its a television show they can have some leeway for the sake of entertainment and such.

 

Give her some actually meaningful interaction with the remane 5 instead of the bullshit ELTSD pulled and I might get more interested in her

Yeah because there were NEVER deus ex machinas with the actual mane 6 before right?

To explain some of what you prolly think though, they were in a state of emergency, there was little time for character interactions.

 

How can you be wrong about an opinion? That does not make any sense at all.

 

Someone could have the opinion that x is healthy, when it isn't even considering the context its proposed for. Opinions are wrong all the time. In fact they always can be until theres a whole plethora of science backing it precisely up with its very precise and proposed context.

Edited October 29, 2016 by Lil Pip

[Unlikeable Pony 2,698]

Starlight is a Mary Sue.

 

An actual one. Not just a list of traits, but a real Mary Sue. Characters treat her with kid gloves and immediately befriend her, and forgive her for everything. The ponies she brainwashed are more willing to get back under her hoof than she is. She's stronger than Twilight and more magical and in the season finale that could have made me like her but instead made me hate her and her writers more, all the characters were tossed into a bin so she, Trixie, Discord, and "What are his character traits, again?" could take part in Generic Changeling Adventure Number #488.

 

"Hey," some Hasbro exec wonders, wanting to sell more toys. "I know how to sell more toys! Let's introduce that Seventh Element of Harmony fans have always wanted, and make her stronger than Twilight, to the point where you wonder why she isn't the real element of magic! Forget character depth or development, just make her strong and fans will love her! Forget any positive interactions with ponies not named Twilight, strength is everything! Oh, and... Make her female and our fans will forgive her for anything, even something that makes her more evil than Tirek and more deserving of Tartarus than Tirek!"

 

I don't like Starlight. Not as a person, or a character. She feels like someone's OC that somehow got onto the show, and she should suffer some kind of consequences for her actions but because she's a Sue, she never does! Out of all the Sue types I hate, I hate Canon Sues the most, because they'll get tons of dumb fans that think any fanmade OC is garbage unless it's popular and if it's canon it can't be a sue. They'll make excuses like "But X has to steal the show!" or "But X gets to be stronger and better than everyone else, he/she has a better backstory!" or "But I prefer to reinterpret scenes and pretend intent is the only important thing, not results. X only wanted to do what he/she thought was right, so what if it created many alternate timelines filled with suffering and death and pain and misery all because some pathetic foal couldn't get over her only friend leaving? Being absolutely detestable is proof she's not a sue!"

 

Now that... that could work. Also, if they revealed that Starlight could only beat Twilight in a fight because she was using dark magic, or she drained life force/cutie mark energy to strengthen herself, or only gets strong when she goes full psycho and then gets tricked easily, and she's normally not overpowered and capable of fighting Twilight on equal footing. And revealed most of the world wants to imprison her and hates her.

 

Maybe an ep where she visits the dimensions she ruined, and fights hard to fix them would make me like her. That'd also be a good way to get rid of her in a way that pleases everyone so the spotlight can return to the real heroes.

 

 

One thing that would have done LOADS for Starlight, IMO, is if they tried to play up her as "one half of a whole" with Sunburst-- Specifically, sunburst is incredible at magical theorum but unable to actually do Magical theorum.

They should have made starlight the OPPOSITE of that, basically being the "retard strength" character with MASSIVE raw magical ability, but ZERO knowledge of actual magical theorum or spellcraft: Basically Unskilled but strong with alot of magical strength but ZERO ability to actually formulate on her own and pretty much having to read magic off of "the sheet" as she does it more or less. So Sunburst would be there to theorize and combine magic, but Starlight would be the one to actually perform it. This would have made her Raw magical ability MUCH more palatable as she would be have a massive and obvious weakness in that she'd be unable to adapt magic or figure out new spells without the aid of another more well rounded individual.

 

Unfortunately, they've gone in the COMPLETE opposite direction since she can combine and whip up new magic on the spot without breaking a sweat.

[EmeraldStar04 250]

To the underlined part. So I bet you complain about new characters too before starlight bothered you, and when the mane 6 got all colorful and sparkly that one episode, or complain abotu eqg toys as well. In fact lets just have the mane 6 and no one else and nothing cool happening, that'd satisfy you, right?

 

So if Starlight got a spanking you would be happy? She already learned what she would, actually she learned better than if she were punished.

Also she does if you pay attention, she feels guilt and regret and is known as a person who did that thing. She fears interacting with others because of her mistakes. A Mary Sue gets what they want with little trouble, and always does everything correctly. She doesn't, she messes up and has to fix it. Or did you not watch season 6 at all? I think you are just upset she survived challenging Twilight and harming the mane 6 and such. Is that because if you challenged someone in greater authority without a valid reason you would be punished, or you like punishing those with less authority than you? Like would your parents spank you, and then guilt you, and Starlight isn't getting very yelled at too much, so you think she got by without two weeks detention or grounding? That stuff is not pro-social, which is the theme of the show. Friendship is magic. So lets not forgive a potential friend and send her to the dungeons!

 

^ to part in bold

 

To the red, that wouldn't make sense character development wise. Also revisiting old dimensions isn't something they would do it'd disinterest more people, and it'd take up too much space in future episodes.

 

To the blue. Ok you just sound spiteful and immature. Living a punishment fantasy and painting her as a villain to justify it morally. Thats a dangerous attitude. Also just because most might dislike her, which isn't the case, doesn't mean it'd be right. You know, like when people thought blood-letting and stuff were good practice. Or look up old wives tales, alot of people believed those, doesn't mean they were right just because they were the majority. So you would make everyone just as petty as you, to elevate your status to normal. Thats the fantasy you are speaking of here.

 

To the green. RD yells at her when she oversteps boundaries, so you are plain wrong there.

 

To the purple, oh I guess you do actually criticize everything, the problem is you then not the show. Anyways, he is a changeling, someone used to impersonating a variety of people, his traits don't need to be consistent he just needs to express himself, besides, most people can be more complicated than a member of the mane 6, we can relate to multiple characters for example. Who is to say its really an issue with him, or that maybe its a television show they can have some leeway for the sake of entertainment and such.

 

Yeah because there were NEVER deus ex machinas with the actual mane 6 before right?

To explain some of what you prolly think though, they were in a state of emergency, there was little time for character interactions.

 

 

Someone could have the opinion that x is healthy, when it isn't even considering the context its proposed for. Opinions are wrong all the time. In fact they always can be until theres a whole plethora of science backing it precisely up with its very precise and proposed context.

Why do you assume things about me? Does it make it easier for you to hate me? I like new characters and I loved the new Rainbow Power forms. Except for Fluttershy's one, hers looks like garbage.

 

Now tell me, what kind of science do I need before you can grow up and respond maturely instead of lashing out and insisting I'm the problem because I disrespected your precious waifoo?

Nothing can make the Starlight haters come around they are irrational and choose to hate her no matter, what while half of them suck off Sunset Shimmer despite her completely broken characterization and frankly being entirely boring past Rainbow Rocks.

 

It disgust me, the sheer bias Im honestly just completely sick of Starlights haters and can't tolerate them anymore. Their almost all hypocrites and just flat out wrong about almost everything.

I hope you realize blanket statements like that make you look like a judgemental moron.

 

I hated Sunset in EQG 1. I hated her for most of EQG 2, then they made her redemption WORK. I liked her in EQG 3.

 

I liked Starlight as an evil pathetic petty cultist villain. I hated her as a person, but liked her as a character. Then writers just snap their fingers and turn her to the side of good and expect me to immediately love her once she joins the hero's side? No. No! She's evil. She's still evil, just on the hero's side. What do Kishibe Rohan and Vegeta and Sunset Shimmer have in common with each other, but not with Starlight Glimmer? They never crossed The Line, the Moral Event Horizon. It felt ok when they joined the heroes, despite their flaws and evil acts. But SG? Evil.

One thing that would have done LOADS for Starlight, IMO, is if they tried to play up her as "one half of a whole" with Sunburst-- Specifically, sunburst is incredible at magical theorum but unable to actually do Magical theorum.

They should have made starlight the OPPOSITE of that, basically being the "retard strength" character with MASSIVE raw magical ability, but ZERO knowledge of actual magical theorum or spellcraft: Basically Unskilled but strong with alot of magical strength but ZERO ability to actually formulate on her own and pretty much having to read magic off of "the sheet" as she does it more or less. So Sunburst would be there to theorize and combine magic, but Starlight would be the one to actually perform it. This would have made her Raw magical ability MUCH more palatable as she would be have a massive and obvious weakness in that she'd be unable to adapt magic or figure out new spells without the aid of another more well rounded individual.

 

Unfortunately, they've gone in the COMPLETE opposite direction since she can combine and whip up new magic on the spot without breaking a sweat.

I normally despise the term retard and everyone who uses it, but you actually bring up a good point. That would have made her OPness bearable, and made her a lot less OP. Btw, the term you want is Idiot Savant... I think.

he DID ask for us to understand why he hates her... kinda anyway

 

I was just telling him I don't understand because he gave no explanation.

 

I said I didn't see a point in saying my explanation since Starlight lovers never understand or want to understand or accept that some people require more than overwhelming power and pretty light shows to fall in love with a character, and can bring up reasons to not like the character they hate admitting exists. Kinda dumb in retrospect, but I think this thread was nicer before the Starlight lovers showed up to cry.

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Seriously how did another forum about Starlight Glimmer turn into another I love/hate Starlight Glimmer forum? We were supposed to be talking about whether or not Starlight is OP, but now it's just another fighting about whether or not Starlight is a good/bad character again. Seriously when is this ever going to end, and who started it in the first place?