Do you believe in God?

[They call me Loyalty 1,948]

Oh, I do believe in that son of a *****. Or do you see any human creature pulling out something the size and scale of this creation? Can you create the heavens and the earth of this... soul asylum? No.

Now, as to the nature of god. I think it is grossly misrepresented among the religious circles. Imagine if the creator of this flawed creation happened to be flawed as well. A very real possibility, considering the pathological nature of "god", as described in scripture. Making "him" a warlike, primitive and misogynistic character, if portrayed as in the biblical texts, with his system of punishments and rewards. Endorsing war, plague and destruction. Using angels to manipulate the minds of people and inflict retribution when things don't go according to plan.

And this would mean that the creator of something so complex as the human body, does not know the human psyche to begin with. Imagine the situation with abraham and isaac, when god asks this simple man to put his son on an altar and sacrifice him in his name to prove his allegiance. Because he knew abraham wouldn't do it, of course. But let's psychologically scar this man and his son nonetheless. And lets not talk about incest. The bible is full of incest, within abraham's family itself. As well as Noah's.

Or the fact that a group of two hundred angels from the watcher class rebelled, according to the enochian text. (Which I wouldn't take for granted other than what regards the measurements of this creation). Which means things aren't going too well in heaven, either. Especially if you are gonna deprive angels from their sexuality. Which is also present in the primitive concept of circumcision. Mutilation. Ooops, another of the biggest taboos in humankind. Sexuality and self-mutilation. Yes, modern genderism.

Maybe the human creation inherited it from the creator himself. But the creator is "pure". Despite the fact that he is a genocide who drowned the enclosure of this fastened plane when things got out of hands. And there are records across the entire world regarding erosion caused by underwater currents, present in surface terrain way above sea level. Whale bones and the remains of contemporary sea life found atop the tallest mountains. Not fossils from dinosaurs pertaining to a prehistoric period that never existed, and that is only there to cover up for the greatest crime in human history. The deluge sent by god. Discard the thousand million year earth and pangea, heliocentrism, outer space, galaxies, planets, solar systems and all that bs. This is it. This is creation. This is all there is to it. Those are empty distractions to induce a false sense of wonder meant to cover up a very sad truth regarding the human condition.

What you have here is a highly traumatized human creation, and all comes back to the mistake of the creator. Because trauma is passed down in the genes. So, you inherit the issues from countless generations. And if those generations have been constantly traumatized because of the mistakes of the Father. Then you have our current society, constantly medicated, distracted, or substance dependant. A collective characterized for having trauma based personalities, and various degrees of dissociation that have become "normalized" and accommodated by social behaviours and conducts, because of how common it is. Meaning it must be normal, right? No. The dysfunctional archetypes are there. The addiction is there. The abuse is there. The trauma is there.

I instinctively despise this character so much. Including the son.

And there is no insight in scripture, there is no information about the true nature of the human psyche, or the fragility of the human condition and mental illness. It is all attributed to "demons" and righteousness. That word that means absolutely nothing when it comes heal the actual damage that has been caused.
There is nothing regarding psychology or trauma. It is all disguised in empty "spirituality" that serves no purpose when it comes to face a dysfunctional reality in need of real healing.

It is like when I see religious people, and there is this disconnect in their eyes. What is this if not ideological dissociation and cognitive dissonance? Attributing the loss of a child to god's plan? Insane. That is your solution?
And the problem is that you can condition someone's mind to believe absolutely anything, especially if they are traumatized, and within this deceptive framework make the person feel "better" by lying to them, but these ideas are not a replacement for a failed life and reality. It is like the hollow attempt of the "new age". Because all that you are doing is disguising the real problem; the often ugly truth. Which is exactly what happens in this "planet". With global narrative after global narrative to distract you from the harsh nature of the human condition. Even the pandemic comes down to this very problem.
That is what is all about in the end. Just keep them distracted so they don't have to look at themselves.

So, now we have this false heliocentric paradigm and the empty promise of "endless wonder" layered on top of a very dysfunctional and painful reality. Of a very sad creation, traumatized and broken because of god himself.

Edited June 21, 2022 by They call me Loyalty

[Envy 6,191]

20 hours ago, Kyoshi said:

I did when I was little up until my high school years. Being someone who has had crippling anxiety all their life, my belief in a god never helped that. I never found comfort in the concept. Then I learned a lot more about it over time and I abandoned it altogether. 

Belief in God didn't really help me either.

I'm quite unique among deconstructionists in that my belief was something that was almost entirely - if not entirely - motions that I went through because my parents and community believed. I thought they must all have the proof for this deity and though I never experienced anything, I would someday if I kept on believing. Never happened.

It's not to say that my deconstruction wasn't dramatic at all. But, like, I always derived my morality and reason to live from elsewhere so I didn't find myself with any void when I left.

[Misty Shadow 7,945]

I want to believe in God in the sense that he's an omnipresent force of good, not a "sky giant". Everyone believes in their own idea of good and evil, even if it's a simple, childlike mindset of "submission to my ideals is good, refusal of them is evil". I'm not just going to settle for "my truth", I want to believe in some kind of objective morality. 

[HereComesTom 2,268]

I do believe in God---very much.

I've had plenty of supernatural things happen to me, but some of them are...well, confidential.  Even if I told all, I doubt people in this thread would choose to believe them.

[J.J 923]

Yes God I see as a "grand architect/alchemist" of sorts, I don't believe "god" is ape, but I do believe a superior species mixed our DNA to "be in his image", like in other words we are half this species half homosapien. God transcends needing to identify as a 3rd dimensional being bc like other "reptiles" and other creatures that exist on the 4th dimension, "angels, demons, amalgams, etc, we can't see them but they see us like a film from their plane of existence. They just haven't always materialized in our dimension, human perception and willingness create a home for good or bad spirits, we will good and bad with our action, and based on those actions we are followed by either makers of mischief or guardian angels.

[Stancet 689]

YES! 

I do believe in God.

I believe in the eternal, all-powerful, all-present, all-knowing God who made all of creation and spoke to it through His scriptures! I believe in the God who saw humanity in its sinful state and made a way for them to be saved through the shedding of Jesus's blood, and Jesus's blood alone! And I also believe in the politically conservative interpretation of the Bible which tells us how we should live and how we should regard sin!

But on the most serious note of all, I believe GOD LOVES YOU! I know there are people out there who are angry with God. God understands. Some people think God is unfair. God is patient with such people. Some people have serious questions. God promises he will wipe away every tear. 

I know I'm entering a pretty old discussion with lots of people with lots of questions but I hope everyone can know the goodness of God and His kindness. It's my hope that although not everyone believes in God I hope you realize that the good and loving God of the Bible is the God you want to know.

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,162]

Officially? No; I consider myself an atheist. I was born in a Christian household and my mom definitely holds a pentecostal fundamentalist view of most things and I was largely a Baptist. That's how I was most of my life.

That said a number of different factors influenced me away from religion...but I would never tell that to my mom or family. How they view atheism is just...yeah.

[Mach33 818]

Christian, yes I do. Miracles also exist to :)

[AriaTheLovely 578]

I believe in multiple gods and goddesses since I am a pagan.

Edited June 22, 2022 by AriaTheLovely

[Spidey10 846]

Yeah. I believe that someone had to have created our world.

[Honeybuns 53]

I don't. Never truly did despite going to church a good portion of my life. Never been compelled or felt anything telling me there is a particular God out there and I never agreed with a lot of the Bible I was raised on. I find other religions interesting and also find religion in general as a fascinating concept I suppose.

[reesespuffed 28]

Not really, My belief in god wains in every year, as the passing few years with their cruel events makes it seem unrealistic. Spirituality? Yeah probably exists to some degree but an actual god? Nah. I wouldnt call myself a atheist though.

[They call me Loyalty 1,948]

I was reflecting on YHWH, the creator of this world. He who granted the love of order than can counteract chaos. The origin between life and death, and the polarizing attractionbetween this opposite forces.
Do you know who tempted Eve in the garden to eat from the fruit, so she could become like "god", and know the good and the evil that are the essence of chaos? Losing her light body and ceasing to be like the angels of heaven, who are without chaos and sex. It was the old serpent. And so it was that Eve realized that she was naked, for she knew shame and lust. The mother of all humanity. I love her.

I know she is still there, not in physical form, as some years ago I was visited by a couple of "strangers" who appeared out of nowhere in the crowded street of the golden lions, who are now no gray and cold, as they bleed whatever gold there was from their mouths. I remember the shocked look in her eyes when she saw me among the numerous people, nothing but a scrawny child, so small and weak. And then I saw who I belive was Adam, no reason for a man of that stature to be scared of a child. But they were the reason God had to become the stern and rigid figure that you know from the Old Testament, for wildnerness unrestrained brings chaos, as chaos was given to them when they ate from this plant that is similar to the vine. God started turning desperate towards the end.

Imagine YHWH trying to direct barbaric humanity during the beginnings of civilization. But he is never changed, he always loved, even if he was forced to be harsh. Imagine that one of his original rules was that human creatures were not to eat ANYTHING with blood. No flesh. But human creatures fell short, so he had to lower himself. It must have been infuriating for him to see humanity fall short of his Grace over and over again. To the point they force to come here.

Did you notice the contrast between YHWH and Yeshua? From his alleged wrathful and vindictive phase to an immensely loving and compassionate one. Some even say he is Satan, imagine the ignorance to dare suggest YHWH could be Ha-satan. Others believe the creator is shedding skins, but nobody knows where the creator really came from. And thus they project their own devils and superstitions onto HIM, without noticing they are only seeing their own reflection in the mirror of their ignorance.
No one knows how he ends and begins because time as such does not exist outside this realm, where the faithful Watchers observe an assist humanity from the invisible realm that is above. How many accidents never happened because an invisible hand was there to stop the person, as he was about to cross the street without noticing an approaching car? It happened to me. I was saved a couple of times, and I may have been saved a lot more times, without me even noticing.

Meanwhile, others believe he IS Leviathan, the primordal serpent of the void sea. And let me tell you, there is no mysticism, at least about this sea, as it is right above the sky, as well as within us in the interplay of waters from above and bellow. It sucks you up from bellow like a nurseling thirsty for milk.

And the essence of entropy is the origin of all nature, for there cannot be life without death. The origin of all chaos is within nature, thefore laws are essential. There lies his love, in the Word which this world rejected. He is not a tyrant, he allowed human creatures to break his laws, despite all the pain that humanity was about to cause. He could have imposed himself over and break them like frail clay, because clay is what humanity is made of. That is the unknowable level at which God resides, he is not someone in a laboratory, using the scientific method to scratch the surface of what has been created already. He picked up clay from the ground, and formed it into something as complex as a human being. That is amazing. Do you know our human brain has quantum capacities? Not that they matter very much, considering what they are being used for, most of the time.

An answer without a question, and a question without an asnwer is God. Which is why some believe he is the very essence of chaos. Look at this reality, observe the timely seasons, the patterns of the luminaries, the delivery of the rain, the winds and the tides. Does that seem like the nature of a chaotic God to you? Or one who is good and full of love. He allowed humanity their way.

But human creatures speak ill of God, because of the flood, without understanding it was their own wrongness that caused the deluge. Our plane was flooded, the waters came from the firmament, because we are surronded by water. That is real space. Water!
"Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters". And he divided the waters above our firmament from the ones bellow. And gave origin to creation and all life within it in six days, where some gnostics within my believe the body of Leviathan was cast off to become a husk, and from within its carcass appeared Him in the image of a man. But now he was... "changed" they believe, as reason had entered his mind, going from the primordial chaos to a harsh and violent God. They are ignorant, that is what I believe. Lost in their own mysticism and idolatry. They have reality all around them, but they live inside their own heads.

Trying to make his chosen people into his own image during an age most barbaric and chaotic. I wonder whether he succeded or the serpent within all of us took over their hearts and emptied the minds that he had granted to this mindlessness within all of us, considering the current state of things. Yet he always reminded people of their hearts. But they did not listen. Leading to his dispair and the eventual flood. Imagine the pain of God to have to kill his own creation, because his creation was killing itself, commiting to fornication, abortion, abuse of life, sexual degeneracy, violence, war. Even as YHWH, he was merciful and long-suffering, so much so that it came to this. His mercy was abused, and the holy spirit was withdrawn. I miss her so much.

That is the reason why we are a so short-lived.

Thus, he had to adapt yet again, because humanity had failed as a whole. And YHWH turned into Yeshua, who sought to overcome the material world that humanity had failed to overcome. As the gnostics believed them to be two separate entities, without noticing that whichever traits they were projecting on God, were a reflection of themselves.

How great was the grief to struggle against a world on his own, because all had fallen short, and then chosen to put the blame on him.

From nothingness he created a world, and from emptiness he gave meaning to all life. Even when life fails over and over again.

They say God is violent, angry, vindictive, hysterical, insecure, indifferent to human suffering, cruel, jealous, etc. When he showed he was loving, gracious, compassionate, slow to anger, and abounding in faith. Meanwhile, people can be a real piece of nasty work, heartless, like vipers at the mention of the human heart. They are hollow, shallow, and fall short. They mistreat the only thing of value that was given to them. Why do I fight against myself, I wonder?

This sacrifice he made shows a boundless love. But his patience is running short, I believe. They think they have made the "god" of this world proud with their lawlessness and degeneration. If they only knew how badly they have failed, already. And a part of me still loves them. What a load of bullsh*t.

 

[Decokelow 8]

I'm a Catholic, and I have responsibilities for being both a Pegasister and a Catholic 

[Varnull 44]

I believe in God and I owe Him everything, but I’m not religious. Religion has changed, but God has not. He wants a relationship. Only by a relationship with God can you really understand him. If you are struggling, hurting or broken.. I beg of you to reach out to Him, and he will lift you up.

“Don’t be afraid, for I am with you. Don’t be discouraged, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you. I will hold you up with my victorious right hand.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭41:10‬ ‭NLT‬‬

[Clawdeen 15,415]

While I believe in the idea that there’s possibly a higher power I don’t believe in the church, bible or any of that stuff. 

[Splashee 28,566]

I accept any beliefs, simply because I find that important, to support your friends, no matter what they believe in.

[IronM17 5,399]

I used to believe in god when I was young. I was raised as catholic, visited the church every week, got my communion and was active in the church (first in the children choir and later as a altar boy). But with the years, my interest in natural science got bigger and also because of things that happen in the world and also some personal experiences, I started to questioning the existence of a god and eventually lost my believes completly and left the church (another reason were also church taxes). Nowadays, I call myself an atheist. 

[ExplosionMare 18,085]

Yes, and that belief has never wavered. I only intend to make that belief stronger as time goes on. 

[They call me Loyalty 1,948]

Oh, yes. And the more I look at this world and compulsive society, the more I understand the patriarchal and genocidal God from the bible YHWH. The more I understand my father; the creator of this domed plane that they have so poorly disguised as "planet earth".

I've been thinking some more about the fractured archetype of YHWH. I believe the truth is buried in the painful past. This is the reason this creation is fractured in half and there is so much pathology, emotional trauma and sexual wounds. The flood, and the massive death count and debt of the past. God is fractured in half and he cannot repair himself. On one side there is a loving and self-sacrificing Son that has the heart who is manipulative and sadistic, and in the other there is a controlling and abusive father with no emotional capacity.

This explains so much. Both are incomplete and the feminine energy of spirit is so weakened he cannot put himself back together, therefore he becomes violent and continues to abuse her; the the Holy Spirit, the hidden Goddess of this creation; Asherah. And then the Son, who is the archetype of Lucifer, abuses and punishes the father in return, because it is equally or more dangerous than the father who is a coward who abuses women. Like my father used to beat my mother since before I was born.

I saw this traumatizing paradigm within my own behaviour, and countless other people out there. It truly feels like the original masculine creator has fractued into two different beings. One heartless and overly masculine, the other heartful and overly feminine. YHWH and Lucifer. As if the solar plexus had fractured.
But YHWH won't stop hidding now, and he will not take responsibility for the damage he has caused to Asherah. The disempowered and emotionally impaired feminine aspect we see on earth. Exactly like my emotionally disabled mother, or the coward of my father who ran away. And this trauma is also expressed in both men and women, with some very masculine women without capacity to give emotional and human support to their children, becoming an authority figure that functions only within society, or a very emotional vunerable women who is weak and often becomes victim of abuse of more masculine women or men, like a magnet, like it happened between YHWH and Asherah, because the creator family archetype is electromagnetically passed onto the creations. Like it happened between my father and my mother. A flawed creator creates flawed creations.

This is influencing why so many aspects of our human interaction have become so abusive, emotionally disconnected and pathologic in society, with materialism and consumerism. And why love is turning into something unreal for many. People are visibly hurting when you look into their eyes, grown up men, women and children. How do you like the pain? This is what I feel all the time. They are in emotional pain, and the cognitive impairment is severe. They are sociopathic and erractic, their lenguage and behaviour have integrated verbal and physical abuse to the point it has become normalized. Especially pertaining the area of sexuality and the violent connotation of sex, as trauma is being expressed through sex like an abusive language, often becoming a denigrating and derogatory experience that cannot integrate the heart, it is a form of exteriorizing the pain. Consensual sexual abuse. Like that dog beater that so much reminded me of my father  and the YHWH archetype. What happened boy? Don't you like the zombie void in your chest? No love for you. There is so many sexual wounds in humanity because the creator family is utterly broken. So much dysfunction and violence.
Which is reflected in the countless distortions that sexuality. All those new "trends" read trauma, because they are trauma response. The creator family is fractured and so is most of humanity. Neither the left or the right are correct, because both are incomplete aspects of an original whole.
There are so many people running all the time going nowhere, and the dependency on technology is so blatant, it is almost absurd. Does it hurt when you get close to the heart? Pain, trauma. Severe  emotional pain and dissociation. Love is broken.

If this keeps on going like that, there is the possibility that everything over the face of the earth will blaze under the sun, again.
After some investigation, I can tell the flood was a very real event because of the remains of ancient civilizations on the sea floor, and then.
Our world is flooded with oceans and there are countless ruins that have been literally melted into the ground. As if some type of massive electromagnetic event would have destroyed the entire face of the earth, because of the brutal amount of energy carried through the atmosphere. The very atmosphere ignited and burned everything to the ground. What happened with those chemtrails? Atmosphere getting thinner? The sun is getting hotter.

Sex and betrayal of love seem to have been the point of origin for this massive trauma that afflicts humanity under the solid dome, also I feel there is some element of incest, between Lucifer and Asherah, after she abandoned YHWH. Asherah is the Holy Spirit of religion, they know it. That is the Goddess and Mother that has been supressed in this creation.

I do not understand how this could have happened, but I see the signs all througout society like an entropy reaching critical mass. There is a very painful fracture that nobody can see, yet everyone feels inside of them when they reach closer to the heart. This is how I feel all the time. Go on, pump iron all you want, make yourself into a plastic woman. Which is why the health world organization is so reluctant to recognize emotional trauma into their c-pstd, because otherwise they would have to treat half the world, or more. But society is starting to become unviable and more volatile. The pandemic was a means to contain the problem, temporarely.

Also, you know one thing that I despise? Lies. You know, why? Because this is immensely painful for me. And pain cannot be expressed through a paradigm of deception and lies, in a ****ing globe where the true story of creation has been hidden, yet we see the symptons of this traumatic past all around. Only truth allows me to express the pain. And I am in too much pain right now because I've been living my whole life inside a lie. I feel the burning inside of me is also increasing. They betrayed me, my own family betrayed me before creation, and my earth family betrayed me. My heart is shattered, my back is broken, my neck feels like it has been sliced opened to bleed like a lamb. I am broken, it is coming. Our only sun is burning out and growing stains. But I am more interested to know what is happening with the hidden black sun. I miss her so much, Asherah. You and my father are gonna kill this creation.

Have you ever noticed how when you are sunbathing, sometimes you look at the ground without paying attention to anything, and can see the flowing pattern of the heat, coming off like a flaming vapor? And then when you focus and it is not there anymore. Well, If I put my head down and look at the ground without focusing now, I can the same invisible vapor coming off from my hair and entire body when I look at the ground. I am burning as well. But I am not gonna be the only one who burns here. The light bringer, eh? A struggle between the son and the father over the mother. Both of them want her and none will surrender. And in the middle of all this, humanity is suffering like Lucifer.

No wonder why I always hated YHWH, you only have to read the bible and you will know your dear creator. Supporting misogyny, admonishing slavery, the murder of women, and children. So strong and yet so weak where it matters the most. And unlike the rest of the Luciferian collective, who go trans and experience a lot of inner emotional pain, as they are being blatantly lied about the real origin of this creational issue of that they intend to change in vain, because the most important aspect of all is missing, real love. "Something is wrong inside of me, but I cannot tell what it is, and yet it hurts so much". Well, I cannot change. I can only be myself, someone who is always seeking her mother. I will always be male. And I will always love my mother above all else. Existential pain, or my Mother.
This is gonna have a tragic end. Do not believe me? Look at the past that has been hidden from you, look at the planar creation that has been obscured from humanity. Why lie about the whole earth, unless the truth is very ugly an traumatic. Where is the creator, and mother. I know they visited me some years ago. The shocked and pained women, and the tall man with the cowardly stare. Are you happy, mommy and dad? Are you proud of the state of your son? Of what you have done to me? But nothing. The pain inside of me is so great, it is paralyzing. Abandoned again. Abandoned by my creator family, and my own family here inside the plane of earth. It feels like someone is running a knife inside my chest.

YHWH and Lucifer, two aspects of the same broken being. That is why they obscured Asherah behind that stupid dove. This is the reason why I felt so attracted towards my mother since childhood. Until I realized, wait, this is not HER. This is not Mother. And of course, she could not give me love, because my father broke her. And her own father, when he went whoring around. Which he paid for, because I was the one who told my mother to do it. Both males representing the archetype of dear YHWH.

How dark things get when you look under the plastic surface of this global deception. This pain is irreparable, I feel so broken, it hurts so much whenever I try to connect with the hurt. With my heart. Just a little while longer. You will know what I've been experiencing this whole life. And how you have betrayed your own son.

Edited July 31, 2022 by They call me Loyalty

[Cherrychip 113]

I'm on the fence myself. I think religion can be a force for good, but I've seen way too many cases of people being taken advantage of because people tricked them into a belief system that only drains them. 

If religion helps and is cathartic to you, and you aren't being hateful to anyone doing it, you do you! I will accept you no matter what!

The problem comes in when people use religion as a vehicle to hate, though. That's not okay in the slightest. 

 

[Splashee 28,566]

My mom believes in God, and I am happy for her

[Pandora 38,066]

based on my experiences with things, no-

[Evil Pink One 13,507]

One thing that people don't get is what the word GOD truly mean. It is not a name... But a title.... Humans can be gods too... A cow can be a god... The idol you worship is a god... The singer you idolize? The politician you believe in? The person you love too much which is starting to become questionable?... The money you crave? They in a way are some people's god.... 

[Aticus the Adequate 267]

To an extent. I was raised a Christian but I view things from a more secular lens now. I believe in the theory of evolution and so on and so forth. However, I do like studying different religions and am fascinated by the idea of a God existing. The way I see it, God is the universe itself. It gave birth to everything that resides within it as well as to itself. In terms of the contents of the Bible, I read it as more of a metaphorical story and I like and appreciate many of the lessons and concepts within it.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Aticus the Adequate