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[Duality 10,740]

17 hours ago, Buck Testa said:

That... makes sense I suppose. I don't like it but I suppose there are in universe reasons to have the training wheels. It's going to ultimately amount to her having additional advantages against her opponents but if you want that this much I'll roll with it. 

I can easily see 'opening the faucet'  resulting in the fatality-nullification safeguard turning off due to hardware limitations, though, so if a true fight materialised and Duality upped the percentage of power Dru could access then the 'training wheels' would dematerialise. It's basically a realism-lipservice safety mechanism that I don't foresee ever being invoked IC unless the storyline takes a rather abruptly violent twist, hence why I mentioned it so flippantly in my post. My sincerest apologies for all the kerfuffle it caused. 

Edited January 17, 2019 by Duality

[Buck Testa 5,505]

2 hours ago, Duality said:

I can easily see 'opening the faucet'  resulting in the fatality-nullification safeguard turning off due to hardware limitations, though, so if a true fight materialised and Duality upped the percentage of power Dru could access then the 'training wheels' would dematerialise. It's basically a realism-lipservice safety mechanism that I don't foresee ever being invoked IC unless the storyline takes a rather abruptly violent twist, hence why I mentioned it so flippantly in my post. My sincerest apologies for all the kerfuffle it caused. 

It's just that I'm running a very powerful character. You have to be very careful not to go overboard with this kind of thing or else other players could get discouraged from playing. I know I can handle it because I understand the importance of limitations and weaknesses. I saw (and still kinda do) your addon as tipping the scales from her just being strong to being untouchable in combat, and that's no fun for anyone. 

[Duality 10,740]

3 hours ago, Buck Testa said:

It's just that I'm running a very powerful character. You have to be very careful not to go overboard with this kind of thing or else other players could get discouraged from playing. I know I can handle it because I understand the importance of limitations and weaknesses. I saw (and still kinda do) your addon as tipping the scales from her just being strong to being untouchable in combat, and that's no fun for anyone. 

She's still at 1%, though, and from what I've seen of comparative power levels most player characters currently extant could defeat her quite decisively if they brought their powers fully to bear on her for any sustained length of time. After all, she is currently at less than one-hundredth of the power level that notoriously failed to give the school janitor much more than bruises and a broken arm.

[dragon4111 914]

@Duality

Ghalan did more damage to himself really. And afew seeds that were forcefully pulled out from his shoulder blade.

Edited January 17, 2019 by dragon4111

[Buck Testa 5,505]

5 hours ago, Duality said:

She's still at 1%, though, and from what I've seen of comparative power levels most player characters currently extant could defeat her quite decisively if they brought their powers fully to bear on her for any sustained length of time. After all, she is currently at less than one-hundredth of the power level that notoriously failed to give the school janitor much more than bruises and a broken arm.

That is pretty reductive and demeaning of what actually happened. She didn't just give him some bruises and break his arm. The fight put the entire campus into lockdown. Her plants were taking on a bunch of teachers simultaneously. She summoned something on accident that people didnt think was possible. The school is still recovering from what went down and everyone both npc and player alike has been affected by it.

To reduce it down to "lol she just bruised the janitor" makes me feel like that whole event was a waste of my time and effort.

[Duality 10,740]

6 hours ago, Buck Testa said:

That is pretty reductive and demeaning of what actually happened. She didn't just give him some bruises and break his arm. The fight put the entire campus into lockdown. Her plants were taking on a bunch of teachers simultaneously. She summoned something on accident that people didnt think was possible. The school is still recovering from what went down and everyone both npc and player alike has been affected by it.

To reduce it down to "lol she just bruised the janitor" makes me feel like that whole event was a waste of my time and effort.

No, no, it was an extremely impressive display of power, don't take me wrong, but that particular event was the culmination of a direct point-blank face-to-face duel with Ghalan, and Ghalan survived. She wasn't 'untouchable in combat' even at that power level; something like three people were actively sinking shots into that bane before it dematerialised and only one of them suffered any serious injuries from it. Her magic, while ludicrously powerful, has been shown to have something of an issue with focussing on matters of direct priority (due to the ongoing lack of conscious control ability on her part), which is a limitation significant enough that her magic's instinctual ability to protect her from direct full-power murder-attacks would seem somewhat unreliable at a mere hundredth of her full power.

[dragon4111 914]

@Buck Testa

Also umm Ghalan wasn't trying to kill her. he was holding back.

[Buck Testa 5,505]

2 hours ago, dragon4111 said:

@Buck Testa

Also umm Ghalan wasn't trying to kill her. he was holding back.

I'm aware, we discussed it quite extensively for weeks

3 hours ago, Duality said:

No, no, it was an extremely impressive display of power, don't take me wrong, but that particular event was the culmination of a direct point-blank face-to-face duel with Ghalan, and Ghalan survived. She wasn't 'untouchable in combat' even at that power level; something like three people were actively sinking shots into that bane before it dematerialised and only one of them suffered any serious injuries from it. Her magic, while ludicrously powerful, has been shown to have something of an issue with focussing on matters of direct priority (due to the ongoing lack of conscious control ability on her part), which is a limitation significant enough that her magic's instinctual ability to protect her from direct full-power murder-attacks would seem somewhat unreliable at a mere hundredth of her full power.

Right, several teachers. Teachers, correct me if I'm wrong here, are quite powerful yes? Hell your Janitor is wielding some insanely powerful gravity magic. 

What I'm trying to make sure we are on the same page on is that Dru is now on more of a level playing field with the STUDENTS now. While she isnt going to be able to brute force a teacher, a student would still have a rough time with her at 1%. What I feel like you are doing is trying to retroactively nerf her even more than I've already done. I am telling you, as the person running the character, that she is on par with students now. Please do not god mod my character to be weaker than What I am saying. 

[dragon4111 914]

@Buck Testa

Of course I'm just saying

@Duality

 

[Duality 10,740]

31 minutes ago, Buck Testa said:

Right, several teachers. Teachers, correct me if I'm wrong here, are quite powerful yes? Your Janitor is wielding some insanely powerful gravity magic. 

What I'm trying to make sure we are on the same page on is that Dru is now on more of a level playing field with the STUDENTS now. While she isnt going to be able to brute force a teacher, a student would still have a rough time with her at 1%. What I feel like you are doing is trying to retroactively nerf her even more than I've already done. I am telling you, as the person running the character, that she is on par with students now. Please do not god mod my character to be weaker than What I am saying. 

Nerfing Dru below typical student level was not my intention. I said 'most player characters' could defeat her quite readily in her current state, and since most player characters are in fact teachers this is mutually accepted fact. I interpreted your 'untouchable in combat' comment to mean that you thought of her with death-magic nullification on her bracelets to be capable of going up against advanced students or teachers. Apologies for the misunderstanding.

Edited January 18, 2019 by Duality

[Buck Testa 5,505]

2 hours ago, Duality said:

Nerfing Dru below typical student level was not my intention. I said 'most player characters' could defeat her quite readily in her current state, and since most player characters are in fact teachers this is mutually accepted fact. I interpreted your 'untouchable in combat' comment to mean that you thought of her with death-magic nullification on her bracelets to be capable of going up against advanced students or teachers. Apologies for the misunderstanding.

Okay!

I think all the fires of misunderstanding have been put out now. Good talk lol 

 

[Buck Testa 5,505]

So who's class am I heading to next? Who wants dibs?

[dragon4111 914]

@Buck Testa

Ghalan's not a teacher but he would have taught her something.

[Buck Testa 5,505]

1 minute ago, dragon4111 said:

@Buck Testa

Ghalan's not a teacher but he would have taught her something.

Yeah but she's heading to classes right now. Do you not think it'd be strange to NOT go to a class and instead follow the Janitor somewhere? It just doesn't really work. Maybe if they had some kind of Hagrid and Harry dynamic and it was not during class hours it could work but in this context is just doesn't work at all, both in character or out. 

[dragon4111 914]

@Buck Testa

Kinda was going for the whole hagrid and harry deal but yep I agree.

[Buck Testa 5,505]

@Passion @Denim&Venom @Duality @dragon4111 @Arid_Blitz @reader8363

So which class is Druantia going to? This would be a good time to ease characters into the time skip and finally get the gears moving again 

[dragon4111 914]

@Buck Testa

How about Ira's class?

[Denim&Venöm 18,935]

16 minutes ago, Buck Testa said:

@Passion @Denim&Venom @Duality @dragon4111 @Arid_Blitz @reader8363

So which class is Druantia going to? This would be a good time to ease characters into the time skip and finally get the gears moving again 

Well I was intending Miko's class be next, but Mindy's and Angel's are also on the table. What would everypony prefer?

[Buck Testa 5,505]

1 minute ago, Denim&Venom said:

Well I was intending Miko's class be next, but Mindy's and Angel's are also on the table. What would everypony prefer?

What kind of class does Miko run? I'm down with pretty much anything, I'm just glad the rp is finally moving again lol

 

[Denim&Venöm 18,935]

6 minutes ago, Buck Testa said:

What kind of class does Miko run? I'm down with pretty much anything, I'm just glad the rp is finally moving again lol

 

I had the idea that the reason the school board puts up with her so much is that she runs several classes. 

Magic wise she has enchantment and animism: How physical items and places can be imbued with magic, and how such magic can develop sentience. Ties into the explanation the spirituality of animal, nature and ancestor worship in many cultures being related to magic artifacts and places, as well as the presence of 'ghosts' and other super natural phenomena. Her audiomancy has also slated her into advanced magic casting and manipulation if I recall. She may also teach a joint self defense course with Mindy.

Though at her insistence, she is also teaching Critical thinking/ independent living. Bit of an odd course in that it isn't magic or necessarily academic. More of a course in practicality that teaches things like situational awareness, common sense, reasoning & logic, basic philosophy, problem solving, time and resource management, and both positives and negatives of how their powers can be applied to the world at large. She's teaching them the basics of being a functioning, intelligent adult, something that she feels modern academia is forsaking in favor of maths, sciences and language arts. 

In short, too many kids are book smart, street stupid, and she going to fix that. Doesn't matter if you have your magical powers mastered if you suck at thinking things through on a day to day basis. 

[Buck Testa 5,505]

10 minutes ago, Denim&Venom said:

I had the idea that the reason the school board puts up with her so much is that she runs several classes. 

Magic wise she has enchantment and animism: How physical items and places can be imbued with magic, and how such magic can develop sentience. Ties into the explanation the spirituality of animal, nature and ancestor worship in many cultures being related to magic artifacts and places, as well as the presence of 'ghosts' and other super natural phenomena. Her audiomancy has also slated her into advanced magic casting and manipulation if I recall. She may also teach a joint self defense course with Mindy.

Though at her insistence, she is also teaching Critical thinking/ independent living. Bit of an odd course in that it isn't magic or necessarily academic. More of a course in practicality that teaches things like situational awareness, common sense, reasoning & logic, basic philosophy, problem solving, time and resource management, and both positives and negatives of how their powers can be applied to the world at large. She's teaching them the basics of being a functioning, intelligent adult, something that she feels modern academia is forsaking in favor of maths, sciences and language arts. 

In short, too many kids are book smart, street stupid, and she going to fix that. Doesn't matter if you have your magical powers mastered if you suck at thinking things through on a day to day basis. 

I could see Dru getting into the first subject. She's been doing similar things subconsciously already, sometimes to disastrous results like in the infamous duel. Self Defense is also something Dru's going to want to get in on now that her powers are restricted like they are. 

The third would be interesting later, though I think the enchantment animism class would work better for now. 

[Denim&Venöm 18,935]

2 minutes ago, Buck Testa said:

I could see Dru getting into the first subject. She's been doing similar things subconsciously already, sometimes to disastrous results like in the infamous duel. Self Defense is also something Dru's going to want to get in on now that her powers are restricted like they are. 

The third would be interesting later, though I think the enchantment animism class would work better for now. 

I mean I can see that, but I'd prefer to teach the latter at this juncture as A. that's the one I've got the most planned out and II. I think the class has potential to tie into future classes with the lessons it'll try to teach, especially in regards to handling one's powers, something I think Dru can also relate too. 

[Buck Testa 5,505]

1 minute ago, Denim&Venom said:

I mean I can see that, but I'd prefer to teach the latter at this juncture as A. that's the one I've got the most planned out and II. I think the class has potential to tie into future classes with the lessons it'll try to teach, especially in regards to handling one's powers, something I think Dru can also relate too. 

If you got something planned I'll run with that then! do you want to set up a post and I'll have Dru come in? 

[Denim&Venöm 18,935]

5 minutes ago, Buck Testa said:

If you got something planned I'll run with that then! do you want to set up a post and I'll have Dru come in? 

Define come in? Cause I was just gonna have every one waiting for class to start and Miko barges in. 

[Buck Testa 5,505]

Just now, Denim&Venom said:

Define come in? Cause I was just gonna have every one waiting for class to start and Miko barges in. 

As in walks into class. It can be before the class proper starts or just as it's beginning, I'll roll with what you put down.