Theory Is Equestria truly a good place? (Huge Rant)

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So  I have been watching these

https://youtu.be/1EoPK9gdIFo

https://youtu.be/3qGIyri4Ynw

https://youtu.be/fACzoXV2fWk

And I  realized that he is entirely correct.

Before I get into this, please no "it's just a kids show" in the comments.

So sure, Equestria is said to be a place about Friendship and happiness, but it' not. First of all let' talk about the Rulers, some would Argue that the Tree of Harmony is the true ruler and creates Alicorns as tools to fight evil, but let' focus on the more important "Rulers" I'm talking about Celestia and Luna (more Celestia than luna). So Celestia is not exactly evil, but is definitely not far from it. To start off, have you ever noticed how all of the pony inhabited places are lovely and song really have any problems( more on that later). Well let' not forget about the rest of Equestria, the parts that are in poverty, if Celestia was truly nice than she would help the other Races, such as the Griffins. Ever notice how the Griffins live in Poverty, and some could say that all of that has been fixed, but I doubt that that small place that we saw was all of the Griffins society, so why does Celestia not help them? Well song say that they song have the Recourses because Unicorns pretty much rule the world(more on that later as well) and have an endless supply of materials via magic. I think that Celestia only helps her people as we have sort of heard her alute to. That also might be why Sombre was straight up destroyed, no second chances or anything, as we have seen, they have almost no mercy on anything that could pose a threat. It's obvious that discord doesn't count, because  I'm pretty sure that destroying a being that can literally do anything they want wouldn't be the best move on the Political side of things. So now to talk more about the enemies. Celestia had no leniency on Luna/Nightmare Moon because her power would be questioned, and and Luna/Nightmare Moon really posed a threat. Celestia probably could have just banished her to the moon for a quarter of the time because feelings usually dont  take 1000 years to Air out( I guess?) And Nightmare Moon came to be because of feelings that built up. Now before I get any deeper in I just wanna say that if you think about it than nothing is really evil, only different points of view and objectives that some disagree with. But also about pretty much above this point I said about Celestia isn't entirely her fault. I mean, you make something one of the most powerful known beings, and however good they are, they can't always think about everyone. Being powerful is hard and most powerful things become corrupt because their scared that something might take them out of power. The way I look at it is pretty much you being born into something that your, for the most part good at, and also have the power to keep people from taking that ONE thing that your good at away. So of course things become corrupt to power.Celestia is not perfect. But  i think she does her best and i dont really think that anypony can do better than her. Now  my view on Celestia might seem really Passive aggressive, and sorry for my bad Sentence structure, but bare with me. ( I just had to delete half of this topic because it countered all my points) another it seems that no matter how I  word it this topic keeps looping back around and I end up supporting the other end so that's what I'm gonna do( pretty much making this topic useless). But another point I want to mention is that if Equestria is such a nice place, than why is their a caste system. Sure you could say that every society has some sort of caste system, but it' different when literally 1/3 of a regions population can literally do anything they want. Yes I'm talking about the unicorns, they are pretty much on top as most people can see. But I guess that this sis not our world. And what may seem so bad to us is natural there, and probably shouldnt be interfered with. Sort of off topic, but as an example I'm gonna say, what about the holocaust. Sure it was a bad thing(in most people's eyes) but i think thats whats done is done. And under no circumstances should you alter the past, or interfere with things you dont understand. Like if you were to somehow put an end to Equestrias Caste system, them What? And if you went back in time to kill Hitler, then for all you know the world wouldn't be here. Back on topic again. To wrap this pointless jumble of words up I think that Equestria is the norm for Equestria and our world is the Norm for our World. If Equestria looked at our planet how we look at theirs than they would probably think that a ot of things are worse here. But that' just how things work. And I do believe that Equestria IS a better place than earth. But I bet if we put together a Montage of all the good things that happen on earth(excluding the bad) something else might think that this place is better. But countering my point again, I do think Equestria is a much better place. And I would live there in a heartbeat.

let me know what you thought about this. Please no mean comments( if there are any anyways) and again, please no "it' just a show"

And if you could or could try to, how would you change Equestria for the better.

Also again, would you go there if given the choice.

Edited March 20, 2018 by donttellmum

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First, it would help to allow Equestria be what it is without forcing your own worldview onto it. Equestria, like any other true fantasy world is not perfect. If it were, along with the characters within it, then there's no story. Nothing happens in a perfect world. This is should be obvious!

People like Equestria for many reasons. Why this is an issue for some to criticize baffles me. 

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1 hour ago, donttellmum said:

To start off, have you ever noticed how all of the pony inhabited places are lovely and song really have any problems( more on that later). Well let' not forget about the rest of Equestria, the parts that are in poverty, if Celestia was truly nice than she would help the other Races, such as the Griffins. Ever notice how the Griffins live in Poverty, and some could say that all of that has been fixed, but I doubt that that small place that we saw was all of the Griffins society, so why does Celestia not help them?

Does Griffonstone even fall under Equestria's rule? I don't think it does.

1 hour ago, donttellmum said:

That also might be why Sombre was straight up destroyed, no second chances or anything, as we have seen, they have almost no mercy on anything that could pose a threat.

We know from the Crystal ponies showing PTSD-like symptoms just from remembering him and then mind controlling Crystal Ponies to fight the Equestrian army in the King Sombra timeline clearly tells us that King Sombra is a pretty bad dude. He didn't even bother hiding his malevolence.

Eh, it's too bad I don't have the time to go through the thing right now so I'll just leave it at this: It's true that Equestria is more dangerous than it looks. They have monsters that could straight-up eat ponies (Everfree Forest) or that would threaten the integrity of Equestria as a society (NMM, Discord, King Sombra, Queen Chrysalis, etc.). 

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2 hours ago, donttellmum said:

So  I have been watching these

https://youtu.be/1EoPK9gdIFo

https://youtu.be/3qGIyri4Ynw

https://youtu.be/fACzoXV2fWk

And I  realized that he is entirely correct.

Before I get into this, please no "it's just a kids show" in the comments.

So sure, Equestria is said to be a place about Friendship and happiness, but it' not. First of all let' talk about the Rulers, some would Argue that the Tree of Harmony is the true ruler and creates Alicorns as tools to fight evil, but let' focus on the more important "Rulers" I'm talking about Celestia and Luna (more Celestia than luna). So Celestia is not exactly evil, but is definitely not far from it. To start off, have you ever noticed how all of the pony inhabited places are lovely and song really have any problems( more on that later). Well let' not forget about the rest of Equestria, the parts that are in poverty, if Celestia was truly nice than she would help the other Races, such as the Griffins. Ever notice how the Griffins live in Poverty, and some could say that all of that has been fixed, but I doubt that that small place that we saw was all of the Griffins society, so why does Celestia not help them? Well song say that they song have the Recourses because Unicorns pretty much rule the world(more on that later as well) and have an endless supply of materials via magic. I think that Celestia only helps her people as we have sort of heard her alute to. That also might be why Sombre was straight up destroyed, no second chances or anything, as we have seen, they have almost no mercy on anything that could pose a threat. It's obvious that discord doesn't count, because  I'm pretty sure that destroying a being that can literally do anything they want wouldn't be the best move on the Political side of things. So now to talk more about the enemies. Celestia had no leniency on Luna/Nightmare Moon because her power would be questioned, and and Luna/Nightmare Moon really posed a threat. Celestia probably could have just banished her to the moon for a quarter of the time because feelings usually dont  take 1000 years to Air out( I guess?) And Nightmare Moon came to be because of feelings that built up. Now before I get any deeper in I just wanna say that if you think about it than nothing is really evil, only different points of view and objectives that some disagree with. But also about pretty much above this point I said about Celestia isn't entirely her fault. I mean, you make something one of the most powerful known beings, and however good they are, they can't always think about everyone. Being powerful is hard and most powerful things become corrupt because their scared that something might take them out of power. The way I look at it is pretty much you being born into something that your, for the most part good at, and also have the power to keep people from taking that ONE thing that your good at away. So of course things become corrupt to power.Celestia is not perfect. But  i think she does her best and i dont really think that anypony can do better than her. Now  my view on Celestia might seem really Passive aggressive, and sorry for my bad Sentence structure, but bare with me. ( I just had to delete half of this topic because it countered all my points) another it seems that no matter how I  word it this topic keeps looping back around and I end up supporting the other end so that's what I'm gonna do( pretty much making this topic useless). But another point I want to mention is that if Equestria is such a nice place, than why is their a caste system. Sure you could say that every society has some sort of caste system, but it' different when literally 1/3 of a regions population can literally do anything they want. Yes I'm talking about the unicorns, they are pretty much on top as most people can see. But I guess that this sis not our world. And what may seem so bad to us is natural there, and probably shouldnt be interfered with. Sort of off topic, but as an example I'm gonna say, what about the holocaust. Sure it was a bad thing(in most people's eyes) but i think thats whats done is done. And under no circumstances should you alter the past, or interfere with things you dont understand. Like if you were to somehow put an end to Equestrias Caste system, them What? And if you went back in time to kill Hitler, then for all you know the world wouldn't be here. Back on topic again. To wrap this pointless jumble of words up I think that Equestria is the norm for Equestria and our world is the Norm for our World. If Equestria looked at our planet how we look at theirs than they would probably think that a ot of things are worse here. But that' just how things work. And I do believe that Equestria IS a better place than earth. But I bet if we put together a Montage of all the good things that happen on earth(excluding the bad) something else might think that this place is better. But countering my point again, I do think Equestria is a much better place. And I would live there in a heartbeat.

let me know what you thought about this. Please no mean comments( if there are any anyways) and again, please no "it' just a show"

And if you could or could try to, how would you change Equestria for the better.

Also again, would you go there if given the choice.

Take my advice: don't make one huge paragraph like that. It will make your points about the topic get lost in a wall of a text. Spread them out like this:

Paragraph about the Alicorns

Paragraph about the Threats

Paragraph about the far-off lands like Griffonstone

Paragraph about how our world compares to it

Your points would be much easier to follow that way. Because I am not understanding what you were trying to argue or point out. It's just confusing to some people.

However to simply answer the topic question. Yes, it can be a good place. But like real engaging worlds there needs to be conflict and bad events in the world. It has its goods and bads.

Edited March 20, 2018 by We.
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(This is my first post on this forum, I read this and I want to comment on it)

I never thought about Celestia never helping other creatures that are not ponies, but I think it's because the majority of Equestria's population are ponies (earth, pegasus, unicorn, crystal), and this is just speculation, but I think the reason any pony ruler (especially Celestia) doesn't help other races or places (like Griffonstone) it's because they don't want any help from other group that isn't theirs, I mean, I'm pretty sure that if they asked for help Celestia would do something about it, but they would probably refuse if Celestia tried to help them, especially griffons, who have a whole separate lore for them and are described as greedy. I don't really like comparing Equestria to the real world, but if I had to, I think the relationship between each race/place may vary, we don't know everything about Equestria's lore nor if any war between races even occured (ponies vs. griffons for example) so that might also contribute to all of this.
And about the caste system, even though unicorns are top race apparently, and being able to do much more than earth ponies or pegasus, unicorns do need to learn to control and properly use powerful magic, and even then, an average unicorn can't do much with the magic they posses (other than levitate things and teleport), that's why twilight can do all these cool spells, because she studied, practiced a lot, and had help from a lot of uncommon sources, but even with that I can see unicorns having advantage of other races, earth ponies are the ones at the bottom I think :c although it's staded that ALL pony races have magic, unicorns can have more abilities with it (even though the vast majority don't even have great magic power/knowledge).

So what's the point? I just wanted to show my thoughts on the 9 paragraphs above this, my last conclussion about why Equestria is considered a place about friendship and happiness is not because of the circumstances, it's because ponies have a joyful outlook at life that's highly encouraged by everyone, that's technically their philosophy and probably even part of their "culture".

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1 hour ago, We. said:

Take my advice: don't make one huge paragraph like that. It will make your points about the topic get lost in a wall of a text. Spread them out like this:

Paragraph about the Alicorns

Paragraph about the Threats

Paragraph about the far-off lands like Griffonstone

Paragraph about how our world compares to it

Your points would be much easier to follow that way. Because I am not understanding what you were trying to argue or point out. It's just confusing to some people.

However to simply answer the topic question. Yes, it can be a good place. But like real engaging worlds there needs to be conflict and bad events in the world. It has its goods and bads.

U did state that this topic pretty much loops around and eats itselfs 

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13 hours ago, donttellmum said:

Celestia probably could have just banished her to the moon for a quarter of the time because feelings usually dont  take 1000 years to Air out( I guess?) And Nightmare Moon came to be because of feelings that built up.

That argument sort of falls flat when you consider that Nightmare Moon wasn't any less evil when she returned despite 1000 years having passed. If her feelings didn't "air out" during that much time it'd be silly to assume they would do so after only 250 years.

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1 minute ago, Yamet said:

That argument sort of falls flat when you consider that Nightmare Moon wasn't any less evil when she returned despite 1000 years having passed. If her feelings didn't "air out" during that much time it'd be silly to assume they would do so after only 250 years.

Yeah, turns out that Luna was banished for no reason. I'm not sure why Celestia didn't purify her, after all she had the tools(the elements of Harmony). Well I guess that furthers my point that Celestia isnt really nice. Or she isnt good when it comes to handling bad guys.

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I like to think it is a very good place, a paradise even!