Twilight Sparkle's Immortality

[Unpredictable Ranger 696]

@@Commander_PonyShep, well, you didn't read my double previous post in here, I presume. I said she's not going to outlive them so I'm guessing that they all die TOGETHER due to a plague or an apocalypse.

[wickedjr89 7]

I personally don't see Twilight living forever or even being long lived. As several have mentioned Cadence and Twilight don't seem to be immortal, I mean Cadence was born an Alicorn. To me it seems to just be another race, however rarer than the other 3 and related to Royalty. I don't even think Celestia and Luna are immortal (maybe) and may just be really long lived as someone would need to take over for them when they die, to raise the sun and moon. I'm not sure what I think of Celestia and Luna. I think they may be goddesses of the sun and moon and might live forever or might just be really long lived until someone is around to take their places. As for the other Alicorns I just see them living the same as all the rest. Of course who knows and I doubt it will be touched on in the actual show.

[wolfheartmoon 107]

I personally don't see Twilight living forever or even being long lived. As several have mentioned Cadence and Twilight don't seem to be immortal, I mean Cadence was born an Alicorn. To me it seems to just be another race, however rarer than the other 3 and related to Royalty. I don't even think Celestia and Luna are immortal (maybe) and may just be really long lived as someone would need to take over for them when they die, to raise the sun and moon. I'm not sure what I think of Celestia and Luna. I think they may be goddesses of the sun and moon and might live forever or might just be really long lived until someone is around to take their places. As for the other Alicorns I just see them living the same as all the rest. Of course who knows and I doubt it will be touched on in the actual show.

We've had all of about ten minutes or less with alicorn Twilight, there is no basis in saying she "doesn't seem to be immortal", because there's no indication for alicorn Twilight. (Even though we've had confirmation that she isn't)

Edited May 1, 2013 by wolfheartmoon

[True Rarity 1,240]

I don't want to offend anypony if you don't like my opinion.

But here's where I stand.

Forget the fanfiction. I want Twilight to give up her "immortality" in the Season 4 premiere, OR the Season 4 finale (preferably the premiere).

That's just what I think.

[wolfheartmoon 107]

I don't want to offend anypony if you don't like my opinion.

But here's where I stand.

Forget the fanfiction. I want Twilight to give up her "immortality" in the Season 4 premiere, OR the Season 4 finale (preferably the premiere).

That's just what I think.

Except, she ISN'T immortal. It's already been said that she will NOT outlive her friends. Twilight Sparkle, is NOT immortal, the only immortal alicorns, are Celestia and Luna.

[True Rarity 1,240]

Except, she ISN'T immortal. It's already been said that she will NOT outlive her friends. Twilight Sparkle, is NOT immortal, the only immortal alicorns, are Celestia and Luna.

Yeah, I'm a little sheepish about that. I read that after I posted.

Anyway, I hope the writers make this work out. I'm still uncomfortable about the whole Twilicorn thing.

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[Moonlight 7,286]

I do remember seeing a casket at a funeral in one of the episodes, of course, they wouldn't actually show a character dying/being killed, most likely. 

 

The way it was worded made it sound like she'll die before her five other friends. Which is a little odd to me, since I figured Rainbow would die first out of the 6. Since she's reckless, I mean. 

 

It just sounds like she'll die, but like most kids shows, she won't actually die in the show's runtime. 

 

Those are my thoughts on this, I guess.

 

[Hay Lin 38]

 I think Elements of Harmony don't die-instead, they have to go some place between Death and Life. It's not exactly utopia, but it's better than usual.

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[Hay Lin 38]

I like your thoughts-but what would this place be like? Would their world be there? Spike? DERPY?!?!

I think that Discord will use his magic to make everyone alicorns, becuase chaos. Then, pinkie pie will make a never-ending conga line, because party.

 Spike is related to the Elements of Harmony, so it depends on how good his is by that time. And oof course, Derpy.

 ...ooor the series could end with Discord turning into Q and sucking them towards Vulcan.

[HailthornX 47]

Maybe they all live forever. There is an ambiguity to the statement "Twilight will not outlive her friends" so it does leave room for speculation. Maybe they all die. Maybe they die, but are reincarnated, who knows?

[The Awesome One 1,315]

I think that while she is an Alicorn, she isn't one of the power of Luna or Celestia. Look at it this way, Celestia is the all powerful demi-god Alicorn. While Twilight is just a very powerful unicorn who has wings.

[Wingnut 6,989]

Heh, I thought this was a cleverly worded double entendre.  At first glance, it makes it sound like she'll have a normal life span like her friends.  But then again, maybe any pony who holds an Element of Harmony receives extreme longevity as a side effect.  Perhaps in another 20 years or so they'll discover they're not aging?  For all we know, Celestia and Luna got their "immortality" from possessing the elements way back when.  Either way, Twilight won't outlive her friends. 

 

And here's an interesting interpretation I never considered before:

 

 

 

The way it was worded made it sound like she'll die before her five other friends. Which is a little odd to me, since I figured Rainbow would die first out of the 6. Since she's reckless, I mean.

 

Could Meghan be foreshadowing an early death for Twilight?  Hmm, it seems highly unlikely but not impossible for a cartoon like this.  They would have to sugar coat the hell out of it and say something like "Twilight is leaving us" in some incredible act of self-sacrifice to save Equestria.  I don't foresee this, but it's still curious that Meghan's remark can be taken this way. 

[Commander_PonyShep 349]

I was the one who asked Meghan McCarthy that question, and by the time I received the answer, the thought of both Twilight and her friends attaining their own immortality from the Elements of Harmony never crossed my mind.  I just wanted to believe that (disclaimer: I still love Twilight and her friends, BTW) if Twilight's friends are going to die, then Twilight might as well join them, because it's ironically a lot better than Twilight living forever while her friends are dead. Turned out my beliefs were correct, but not without a lot of people like you guys thinking Twilight's friends will also attain immortality from their Elements, if not turn into alicorns themselves, even though it's highly unlikely and almost completely ridiculous.

 

Besides, it's not just the fact that Twilight won't outlive her friends.  I've read the book, "Twilight Sparkle and The Crystal Heart Spell," which actually managed to provide clarity to the aftermath of Twilight's coronation, the same way Mass Effect 3's Extended Cut endings provided clarity to the original cut endings.  In that book, not only did Twilight choose to rule Equestria at her Ponyville library to be closer to her friends, but she also actually depended on her friends as always, only this time in making political decisions.  This inferred that Twilight was still not all-powerful, and that she still had to depend on her friends for things even she in her alicorn-form cannot do alone.  And for me, that's a lot better than seeing her degenerate into a God Sue.

Edited May 9, 2013 by Commander_PonyShep

[Mzukiller 233]

Well, going by the rules of other mythologies: Spike is going to live the longest. He's a freaking Dragon and Dragons can be ancient. While I personally believe in the "Alicorns = gods" thing, I don't think Twilight or Cadence for that matter, is on the same level as Celestia and Luna. Hell, even their hair tells us that. Twilight and Cadence have regular pony hair, meanwhile the Solar sisters have glowing waves. That right there says to me that they're a few rungs above the others.

 

@Commander_PonyShep

I really don't know what it is, but something about the stories in the Book and the comics make me uneasy. I suppose it has something to do with me preferring to have important stuff in the show rather than something I don't care enough to really look into.

Edited May 9, 2013 by Mzukiller

[Commander_PonyShep 349]

@Commander_PonyShep

I really don't know what it is, but something about the stories in the Book and the comics make me uneasy. I suppose it has something to do with me preferring to have important stuff in the show rather than something I don't care enough to really look into.

We're in the middle of a pony drought, and we won't receive Season Four of MLP until this upcoming Winter, which is a long time from now.  The books and the comics are all people like myself have in the meantime.  Well, that and other Hub shows, like Pound Puppies and Transformers Prime: Beast Hunters.

[Mzukiller 233]

We're in the middle of a pony drought, and we won't receive Season Four of MLP until this upcoming Winter, which is a long time from now.  The books and the comics are all people like myself have in the meantime.  Well, that and other Hub shows, like Pound Puppies and Transformers Prime: Beast Hunters.

Audible sigh. Reality can be so cruel. Especially when I'm not even a big fan of the comics like I thought I'd be, I need to work on dulling all of my edges.

[GreyScholar 1,584]

What does this mean for me? Absolutely nothing, because I knew this from the very moment that the Alicorn thing was revealed. Luna and Celestia are basically gods, not gods in our sense, but pretty much gods in terms of Equestria. Cadence is not anywhere near this status so there is no reason for Twilight to be.

You realize that the creator, Lauren Faust, of the show never make Celestia and Luna to be goddesses? She said this when someone asked if Celestia and Luna are gods, and she says no. Heck Hasbro has been proving this many times during the show, how Celestia has had to rely on others to fight her battles and even got defeated by the loved powered changing queen.

 

I never considered Celestia and Luna goddesses, their extremely long lives and magical powers I feel make them similar to the elves of Warhammer Fantasy... who I might add can live for over 2000 years.

 

Of course, due to wording, it may mean that she is a mortal alicorn or that she will return to unicornhood. I think the former is more likely.

Actually somewhere else it has been said that Twilight becoming an alicorn is permanent change, Twilight will not be becoming a unicorn again.

[Toon Richard 534]

I do belive that her friends will NOT die out..

But i still dont support Twilicorn.

Its just, I dont like the OPness of an alicorn..

[cadillacxrinzler 5]

Either they will make them alicorns, and knowing Hasbro, I really wouldn't doubt it at this point. I don't mind Twilicorn, but adding wings and horns to Applejack or Pinkie is just too far. In fact, making alicorns out of the rest of them would be too far.

 

OR they will give some sort of deus ex machina of sorts and make Twilight put some sort of "immortality spell" on her friends in the end.

 

Or, maybe it's law of nature that the Princess's friends are all immortal.

[Mutemutt 773]

From what I can tell, it means they won't actually address the concept of immortality and the possibility that Twilight could outlive her friends in the show itself. It was a statement said in such a way as to allay the fears of those worried about the situation. Until the issue is actually addressed in the show itself, I say that all the possibilities are open.

 

But if we assume that the statement is true, then I guess wielding the elements of harmony affects the longevity of the user's life, allowing Twilight and co. to live to around the same time if not forever, just like the previous users Luna and Celestia.

 

If you're asking for honest thoughts though, I think the statement doesn't really amount to much other than trying keep some fans from worrying about an issue that's not going to be brought up.

[Titanium Dragon 2]

I am a bit sad that so many people are upset over the possibility that Twilight won't die. Seriously, you guys are saying, "You know what's awesome? Death!" You don't realize it, but that's precisely what you're saying. Why would Twilight dying be a good thing?

 

Twilight growing old and dying with her friends does no one any good. Her friends certainly wouldn't want her to die, and moreover, if she dies with the rest of the main characters, then Spike, Luna, and Celestia would STILL be alive and have to mourn her death - it is not as if those three are going to die when the rest of the ponies do. Her dying would be as tragic as anyone else dying, and dying is not a good thing (well, not if they really do deserve to live forever, anyway - and Twilight seems to be heading that way).

 

People die. Twilight is mature enough to cope with it. It will be sad, sure, but if she does become immortal, then her friends' passing will be of old age, which is the least sad way to die - it would be far worse if one of them died violently.

 

It seems likely that becoming an alicorn does not make you immortal in and of itself - after all, we know that some alicorns existed historically who seem to no longer exist today. Most likely, the actual answer is something along the lines of power levels - you've got the basic unicorns, pegasi, and earth ponies. You have the alicorns, who are ascended - they have all performed great feats that transformed them into something greater. And then you've probably got at least one step above that, where alicorns become like Luna and Celestia - huge, towering beings with magical manes and extreme power, likely after attuning with some basic element of the universe (day and night in the case of Celestia and LUna).

 

Twilight IS special - she's attuned with the elements of harmony, she's a powerful mage, she has immense knowledge, and she has great leadership abilities. She has been special from the start of the show, and a lot of the lessons she has learned have helped groom her for leadership. I suspect that if she is to live forever, she will have to truly embrace her element of magic (or possibly act as some sort of helper to the day-night cycle; she IS called Twilight, after all).

 

It isn't depressing to think of her as immortal - its a good thing. Earning immortality is a pretty great reward, isn't it? The idea that her friendships would be worthless if her friends all died is nonsense too - not only did her friends help her make more friends, and she will always be able to make new ones, but it also helped her befriend Luna, who is most likely immortal (or at least as long lived as Celestia).

 

But they will never, ever address this in the show. Ever. Ever ever ever ever ever. They are far too afraid of talking about death - and quite frankly, I sort of agree. Death isn't really an appropriate theme for the show, though I suppose dealing with the loss of a loved one with friends IS at least thematic. But killing someone off would be too traumatic, and given that they refuse to even mention that Applejack and Applebloom's parents are dead, I cannot imagine that they would write an episode about death

 

Let's assume that they DID make an episode about death, which wouldn't involve Twilight outliving her friends because that WOULD upset people. If they WERE to do it, they'd probably write it about the death of Applejack's parents anyway, as they're already dead and therefore the viewers wouldn't have to see ponies dying. I suppose another possibility would be one of fluttershy's animal friends dying.

 

But no, I doubt that they will ever do that. I can think of a few ways that they COULD, but Hasbro would not. Writing something about people dying that:

 

A) Won't offend anyone on the basis of their religious beliefs.

 

Won't offend the moral guardians.

 

C) Won't traumatize children.

 

Is really, really hard and risky. Hasbro is not particularly noted for their love of risk-taking. Lord knows they could make a giant pile of money with MLP if they took a few more risks, but they refuse to do so. And this has no potential to make money at all. So you won't ever see it addressed.

[Ratimus 3]

 

 

But if we assume that the statement is true, then I guess wielding the elements of harmony affects the longevity of the user's life, allowing Twilight and co. to live to around the same time if not forever, just like the previous users Luna and Celestia.

Interesting thought of mine. If the Elements of Harmony do extend ones life time, what happens to the original users immortality once replaced? Do they die, or move on? And if so what of Celestia and Luna. My guess we'd see a change in one of said characters. Also another interesting thought, what Elements did Luna and Celestia represent?

[DuskySHARK 6]

I personally don't see Twilight living forever or even being long lived. As several have mentioned Cadence and Twilight don't seem to be immortal, I mean Cadence was born an Alicorn. To me it seems to just be another race, however rarer than the other 3 and related to Royalty. I don't even think Celestia and Luna are immortal (maybe) and may just be really long lived as someone would need to take over for them when they die, to raise the sun and moon. I'm not sure what I think of Celestia and Luna. I think they may be goddesses of the sun and moon and might live forever or might just be really long lived until someone is around to take their places. As for the other Alicorns I just see them living the same as all the rest. Of course who knows and I doubt it will be touched on in the actual show.

Cadence wasn't born an alicorn she was a Pegasus first, through her understanding of love became an alicorn the same way twilight became an alicorn through her understanding of friendship. And no one owns whether celestia or luna were born alicorns or became  alicorns.