Is this for real? Or just trolling?

[Future Allie Way 185]

equestria: where having drawings of apples on your buttcheeks clearly makes you a satanist referencing the forbidden fruit.

[IamSanchO 19]

I once posted this in someone's welcome post, but I think it's about time for everypony to see this video

This isn't like that GodHatesSinners.com troll site.

What are your opinions on this?

 

Honestly it is pretty hilarious, I had a good laugh throughout the video. I am surprised that I did not come across this sooner, thanks for posting OP! 

[Raiden21 804]

Wow. Oh mai gurd. I'm gonna burn for eternity for liking pastel horses.

 

 

Off topic, but is it just me or do other people die from laughter and cuteness from this .gif.  I don't know why but everytime I see this I just wanna laugh my ass off!

[zlogi 16]

The second they say the word illuminate you know that this videos probably made by some ignorant nothing, who has nothing else to do but troll and compile an 8 minute video( probably based on hours of trying to draw lines from mlp to satanism ) about the show my little pony having devil worshipping symbolism. 

 

 

That or its made by someone and its supposed to be comedic and were all misinterpriting it....

Edited June 5, 2013 by zlogi

[Rainblow H. Ash 5,091]

That or its made by someone and its supposed to be comedic and were all misinterpriting it....

 

Welp, that's pretty much what I've been saying this whole time, so I'm not really part of that "all" group. The video just doesn't feel malicious to me, and it actually made me laugh at some points.

 

Like I said, it's probably a Brony who made this.

[Sugar Cube 4,843]

They lost all credibility when they likened Spike to Satan without any rhyme or reason. Sure, the show has some symbolism and some creatures from mythology, but this is common in fiction. It doesn't mean it's all evil or brain-washing, just misinterpreted. If anything, the show has done a lot of good for people. It's made me happier and more positive, and I look at the ponies as role models who give me a lot of hope and motivation. A lot of Bronies can say the same thing. Yeah, the fanbase has some sickos, but they're everywhere. I just can't relate to people who demonize things like this. They're making their lives miserable over nothing.

 

Yeah, I believe there's some truth to the Illuminati claims, or at least the possibility of something like it, but I really haven't seen any concrete evidence that this show is trying to do anything harmful. I admit, I'm a little curious about the pyramid symbol in the Family Appreciation Day episode. Anyone with a semblance of knowledge on it wanna shed some light on it?

Edited June 5, 2013 by Sugar Cube

[SasQ 1,356]

 

 

I admit, I'm a little curious about the pyramid symbol in the Family Appreciation Day episode. Anyone with a semblance of knowledge on it wanna shed some light on it?

 

Well, it could be anything: from a joke of some of the background artists knowing that some people are freaking out about this symbolism, through just a misfortunate use of it due to lack of understanding or misinterpretation (some people think this symbol has nothing to do with Illuminati, and that it's a symbol of Christian God or Trinity), or it could be there on purpose because the creators of the show are Illuminati (which is not always the same as worshipping Satan or some other weird cults).

 

There are many wannabe symbolists out there who just do picture matching. Here's a parody of such approach:

http://imgur.com/gallery/6L3lMSE

That's why in my thread about symbolism in MLP:FiM I emphasized that it's not enough to just find some symbols on the picture-matching basis. All symbols should be always interpreted in context. Often they are there just by accident, without any special meaning. But if someone wants to use a symbol to mean something, it's usual accompanied by other symbols and meanings around it to support it.

 

For example, there are many cartoons utilizing the Tai Chi symbol of balanced opposites (the Yin and Yang). But in MLP:FiM this symbol is definitely on purpose (confirmed by writers), and makes a crucial part of the philosophy of their world, where those opposites are symbolized also by the Sun and Moon, governed by Celestia and Luna (compare it with their cutie marks which cross-check those symbols; also their names refer to it). Sun and Moon are often used to symbolize the opposites, in many ancient traditions, which confirms the link. Then there are these two sides of Magic -- Bright Magic and Dark Magic -- which are those opposites too. And there is the concept of Harmony, which balances those opposite sides of Magic, related to the Magic of Friendship (which is again Harmony between ponies), and this Harmony is the Tai Chi, so we've made a full circle.

 

But with the pyramid eye symbol, though it's definitely there, at least I cannot see any more context for it there, in this episode, nor any other. Since it's a sign near the entrance to some tent, it could be as well used as a signboard for some fortune teller providing its services inside the tent. They like to use occult-looking symbols just to make the correct mood and an aura of mystery. I'd interpret it this way. Especially that this seem to be one-time appearance.

[Sugar Cube 4,843]

Well, it could be anything: from a joke of some of the background artists knowing that some people are freaking out about this symbolism, through just a misfortunate use of it due to lack of understanding or misinterpretation (some people think this symbol has nothing to do with Illuminati, and that it's a symbol of Christian God or Trinity), or it could be there on purpose because the creators of the show are Illuminati (which is not always the same as worshipping Satan or some other weird cults).

 

There are many wannabe symbolists out there who just do picture matching. Here's a parody of such approach:

http://imgur.com/gallery/6L3lMSE

That's why in my thread about symbolism in MLP:FiM I emphasized that it's not enough to just find some symbols on the picture-matching basis. All symbols should be always interpreted in context. Often they are there just by accident, without any special meaning. But if someone wants to use a symbol to mean something, it's usual accompanied by other symbols and meanings around it to support it.

 

For example, there are many cartoons utilizing the Tai Chi symbol of balanced opposites (the Yin and Yang). But in MLP:FiM this symbol is definitely on purpose (confirmed by writers), and makes a crucial part of the philosophy of their world, where those opposites are symbolized also by the Sun and Moon, governed by Celestia and Luna (compare it with their cutie marks which cross-check those symbols; also their names refer to it). Sun and Moon are often used to symbolize the opposites, in many ancient traditions, which confirms the link. Then there are these two sides of Magic -- Bright Magic and Dark Magic -- which are those opposites too. And there is the concept of Harmony, which balances those opposite sides of Magic, related to the Magic of Friendship (which is again Harmony between ponies), and this Harmony is the Tai Chi, so we've made a full circle.

 

But with the pyramid eye symbol, though it's definitely there, at least I cannot see any more context for it there, in this episode, nor any other. Since it's a sign near the entrance to some tent, it could be as well used as a signboard for some fortune teller providing its services inside the tent. They like to use occult-looking symbols just to make the correct mood and an aura of mystery. I'd interpret it this way. Especially that this seem to be one-time appearance.

 

Thank you. I was really hoping you would reply. I guess it's hard to say for sure why the symbol is there, but I know that the all-seeing eye or eye of providence has a lot more meaning than just being an Illuminati symbol, as far as I know. I definitely wish it wasn't there, but as long as there's no ill-intentions, then I don't really mind either way. It's on the back of the dollar bill for one thing.

[Fair Rarity~ 2]

Ha. Aha. Haha. Heheheheh... Hahahahahahahaha.... Ahahahahahaha! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA hmm... *sniff* *snort* hmmmmmmmm... NO.

 

Edit: Wait--- they evilfied Fluttershy? GIVE ME A SHOVEL.

Edited June 8, 2013 by Fair Rarity~

[Harmonic Revelations 8,835]

I'm almost one hundred percent sure this author is either a troll or an escaped Schizophrenic who made this on a public library computer or something.

 

Yes, because as the author of this video clearly shows, worshipping Satan is a very common activity among teenagers and young males.

 

Not to mention that Spike is the most intimidating Satan I've ever seen (Besides the one in the skimpy maid dress).

 

This video maker clearly knows their stuff.

 

 

Rock music isn't from the occult, it's from Jazz which was created by freed slaves, but I'm sure in their infinite wisdom, this was merely an oversight by someone who just had so much important information to spread.

 

If this video maker is serious, then why not comfort and help Satan? It would be better than helping whoever made this video.

 

Pinkie is not the most popular character in the show.

 

Baphomet is a Pagan God, and did not have anything to do with the occult until that was decided recently. In addition, considering Free Masonry a religious sect is like considering any other Union (What Free Masonry started as) a religious sect, which is just stupid.

 

 

A pentagram? Twilight's star has six sides, not five.

 

6 + 6 + 6 = 18, not 666, and even if you add them across, 666 is not mentioned in any religious text so it's irrelevant

[Cwanky 17,520]

Geez for trolling this makes the Creepy Pasta stuff on MLP seem amateurish by comparison. You never know though. Plenty of Christian wackos accused Harry Potter of Satanism and accusing its viewers of pagan worship and burning in hell for an eternity. 

 

I'll put this in the Pat Robertson and Westboro Baptist column. Hell a homeless guy high on crack is more credible than this. If you want a creepy kid's show to watch, go see Adventure Time.

 

Disclaimer: it may you hate humanity substantially more than you might now, so whatever you do lock that growing whisper in your head away and only open it when the world goes FUBAR.

[RedStorm 66]

...

My reaction to this nonsense xD :

Seriosly what? But I guess I got to give the guy credit for making me laugh...

Thank you, dear sir, for making another day more fun than it originally was.

[Flailing Dinosaurs 238]

Oh. Dear. Sweet. Celestia. Halp. My belly hurts from all this laughter LOL Ow ow ow ow. God, I love morons. They brighten up my day. Especially these morons!

 

Honestly, the gay part threw me for a loop LOL I was like "Dafuq does a rainbow colored flag have to do with this video...?" then I read the comments and had a total facepalm XD

 

I'm surprised Luna wasn't targeted here o-o I'd think she'd be a better candidate for the title of Satan lol. Sorry Luna, I love you, but, still.

 

Welp, just goes to show: People are idiots XD I had a friend who thought the CAPSlock key was Satan in disguise. She was banished from my lunchtable a week later after bringing a bag full of CAPSlock keys she had popped off the school computers...

 

Anyways. I'd stick around the thread, but, the smell of griffinshit is overpowering, even through my screen XD I bid you all adue.

 

REMEMBER KIDS! MY LITTLE PONY PROMOTES SATANISM! Snkt- buahahahaa *dies*

[John 793]

Its pretty sad that with all of the horrible, HORRIBLE, things going on in the world. (Torture, Murder, Sexual enslavement, genocide, ect.)  The one thing that this bumbling heretic can label "evil" is an innocent children show meant to spread love and acceptance.

[Mikestar 346]

I don't think the person is trolling. There are people out there who actually believe all this crap! pretty much anything with magic in it is considered "evil" yet magic has been a part of fairy stories for thousands of years and we all listened to them or watched them on the Disney channel. Are we all now going to hell because of that? They are just stories.

 

These kind of people are champions at reading into things, including their own bibles, twisting things out of context and writing meanings into things that weren't intended in the first place.

 

I laughed when they said Apple Jacks three... (count em) Three apples were representing the original one... (how many?) One, apple that Eve ate. I also laughed at the whole 6 6 6 thing.

 

In biblical studies.... 6 is actually the number of man, because he was created on the 6th day. 7 is considered the number of God because he rested on the 7th day. So 666 is man man man. so what is the devils number? It's man man man. (as in huMAN not gender specific)

 

Many of these deliverance ministry types say that 666 is also the number of the world wide web because the numerical equivalent of a w in ancient hebrew is a 6............ so the person posting the video is obviously using the internet (gasp!!!)and there for the "devils tool" to present this message. Bit ironic!

 

If you listen to people like this, breathing becomes a sin! You can't fart sideways quietly with out getting rebuked. i use to attend a church with people like this in it!

 

My personal take... things are what you make them! So if you make MLP into gore or porn... that's YOU who  who did it... who? (man man man.)

 

You take what you like out of things and toss the rest. There are idiots in every fandom including fans of Christianity.

 

Mike.

[TasteTheRainboom 82]

The person is either trolling or is a brain dead religion obssesed retard. Either way most of his points don't make any sense, it's a clear sign of low inteligence and the fears of someone with a closed mind.

[Fluttershutter 2,358]

Really I'm surprised you don't see more like this. Because the show is so popular and fundamentalist types hate anything that has magic in it.

[Mr. Changeling 132]

Or maybe lauren just wanted to make a pony show? I know its a shock, but has any body just thought that this show was ment for girls with no intension for this fan base or satanism that just happens to have good writers, animation and ect. I know its a crazy idea, but, has any body ever thought of that. In short, its a show about pastel colored ponys, calm the hell down dude

[FadedSkies 1,874]

I know the illuminati is real and all that otherstuff but i think its just a coincidence. But watching your video did make me kinda curious and a little disturbed

[Smarts 1,622]

The stupid...is...too...powerful...feeling...dumber...must stop watching.

 

I seriously wonder how desperate some people can be for attention sometimes because to me it seems that is the reason for this video's existence. To gain attention, mostly the bad kind though. This has to be a troll. There is no way this person is serious, but if they are absolutely positively super ultra serious about this and believe it to be true. May Celestia and Luna have mercy on this poor pathetic fool's soul. 

Edited June 28, 2013 by SmartyPants

[--Thunder Bolt-- 534]

My reaction to this video is a combination of this:



...and this:



I don't know whether this person is trolling or not (Poe's Law), but there are people who look at the world this way. I have a friend who would believe every single word of this. I've mentioned MLP to her before, and she started talking about how it's full of Satanic Illuminati symbolism, and she's sent me videos of exactly this type claiming to find Illuminati symbols in everything from the classic silent film Metropolis (she winks! Ermagherd! One EYE!) to Lady Gaga. It's not possible to reason someone out of that kind of cognitive death spiral, so mostly I just avoid the subject.

I do wonder how these people think this actually works. Imagine, Lauren Faust sitting down with her creative team, or a musician writing a song, and suddenly there's a knock at the door. Somebody opens it, and in walks a black-robed figure wearing a ruby-eyed baphomet pentacle necklace.

"I am Magister Parnassus. Here is a set of Our symbols that We want you to encode into your production." *wink*

"Y-yes sir, O Great and Powerful, we'll get right on that!" All over the world, through thousands of movies, cartoons, music videos, and artworks, from the street plans of Washington D.C. to the proportions of Chartres Cathedral and Luxor Temple, the Illuminati Adepts make sure everybody puts Their symbols in. Because, you see, they are a Super-Secret Conspiracy that wants to broadcast their existence and "hidden" symbols to the world in every way possible. They're able to micromanage everything from the content of all media to every hiccup of the world economy to political elections to the weather (HAARP, jet contrails), and They've got an Evil Plot to Take Over the World...yet somehow don't seem to realize that they already have. Oh well. Why let self-contradiction get in the way of a perfectly good conspiracy theory?

These symbols don't show up everywhere because they're planted by the agents of some Conspiracy Central. They show up because they're basically the source code of Universe, and/or they're archetypes of human consciousness. Phi (the geometric relation expressed in the pentagram) appears in nautilus shells, pine cones, sunflowers, the shape of hurricanes and galaxies, etc., etc.. The "balance of opposites" (Celestia and Luna) is an archetype that resonates with our attraction to symmetry and embodies nature's tendency to seek equilibrium (the Second Principle of Thermodynamics). I could go on and on, but SasQ has already done amazing work with his marvelous Symbolism thread. I don't necessarily agree with every assertion he makes, but it's a huge feast of fascination. Funny thing is, everything the maker of the video condemns in MLP FiM also appears in the Bible, in spades. Note: The following is not meant as an attack on the sane Christians in this thread:

R34: The Bible haz it! Read the Song of Solomon. If all that stuff about fragrant gardens and breasts bouncing like twin gazelles is a parable about "the relationship of Christ as the Bridegroom to his Church," then Heaven is gonna be a hell of a lot more sexual than uptight folks like this want to admit. On the Dark Side, we have nice, family-friendly stories like "righteous" Lot being seduced by his daughters, and two different versions of a story where a man's concubine gets raped to death after he throws her out to an angry mob, and he cuts her up in pieces, sends the pieces to the other Tribes of Israel so they can mass an army to exterminate the whole tribe that the mob came from.

Mystical Symbolism: The Bible haz it! One example: In the story of "the miraculous catch of fish" (John 21:1-14), Jesus finds his disciples fishing and having no luck. He tells them to cast their net on the other side of the boat, and they haul in a catch that has their net full to bursting. Then the story gives the number of fish: 153. Why 153? If you draw two circles of equal diameter so that the circumference of one touches the center of the other, you get a figure known as the vesica piscis, the "sign of the fish." The ratio of the length to the width of the figure is the square root of 3, also expressed as 265:153. The "Jesus fish" symbol many Christians put on their cars is an out-of-proportion rendering of the vesica piscis. Jesus is also often portrayed standing in the center of a VP in medieval Christian art. Why is this figure important? Starting with a vesica piscis, a geometer can construct the five Platonic shapes and the other key geometrical forms using only a compass and straightedge. In other words, it is the source of the blueprints of the Cosmos. The story of Jesus and the miraculous catch of fish also parallels a story of Pythagoras. The philosopher encountered some fishermen, and made a wager with them: if he could tell them the exact number of fish they had caught, they would have to release them. He predicted the number accurately, and the fish were set free. The Pythagorean tale does not give the number, but anyone trained in sacred geometry would instantly recognize the number 153 in the New Testament story and link it to the vesica piscis, and the teachings of Pythagoras.

Another example: the letters of the ancient Greek alphabet (like the Hebrew and Aramaic alphabets) each had a numerical value. They did not have a separate set of symbols for numbers the way we do. Thus, every word had a numerical value. The Greek spelling of Jesus' name adds up to 888. This is a highly significant number in the ancient canon. .888 is the ratio [logos in Greek] of the whole tone, the mediating bond between the two tetrachords of the octave. It is also the number of the Spiritual Sun, the cosmic principle in the Platonic realm that manifests in the material realm as the physical sun (represented in the canon as 666; thus, the "antichrist" is physical, earthly rule, e.g. Emperor Nero, whose name spelled in Greek adds up to 666, exalted against the spiritual). The Greek alphabet could be divided into three groups of eight letters (hard consonants like "K," breathed consonants like "S," and fully-voiced letters like the vowels). 8, 8, 8, the "Word," or Logos, identified with Jesus in the prologue of the Gospel of John.

This is not an accident. The ancient Hermetic sages constructed deity names and "words of power" for use in magical invocations and incantations (the latter often being nonsense sounds whose letters added up to meaningful numbers; "abracadabra" is an example) to add up to significant numbers. The Gnostic solar deity Abraxas adds up to 365, the number of days in a year. When Paul tells us that his savior was given the name Jesus, a "name which is above every name" (Philippians 2:9), he is eluding to this kind of mystical potency. "Jesus" is the Greco-Judaic version of a widespread archetype in the Roman world at the time, the dying-and-rising God-man who unites the spiritual and material realms. Other versions of the archetype include Osiris, Attis, Dionysus, and Adonis. Originally, the death-and-resurrection motif for these older deities was linked to agriculture and the cycle of the seasons, as well as the transformations embodied in day and night. Their religions were celebrated on a community level, to bring fertility and prosperity to the ancient societies that revered them. By Greco-Roman times, these religions were undergoing a change that shifted their emphasis toward individual salvation or enlightenment. These religions are commonly known as "the Mystery Religions," because the core teachings, ceremonies, and mystical practices that brought about salvation were kept secret, reserved for those who had demonstrated sufficient spiritual maturity to be inducted into the inner circle. Allegorical stories embodying the secret teachings were shared with an outer circle as a way of drawing in potential initiates, who would be sorted from the crowd by those already in the inner circle. Jesus is portrayed doing this, when he speaks in parables so that "hearing, they (the people in the outer circle) would not understand," while explaining the meaning of the parables to his inner disciples in private. Christianity did not "borrow" from the ancient Mystery Religions, as some claim. It is an ancient Mystery Religion.

I'm only barely scratching the surface here. Recommended reading:

Jesus Christ, Sun of God: Ancient Cosmology and Early Christian Symbolism, by David Fideler

The Dimensions of Paradise: Sacred Geometry, Ancient Science, and the Heavenly Order on Earth by John Mitchell (this book explains in detail how the dimensions of the "Heavenly City" given in the Book of Revelation detail a geometric canon linked to (among other things) the proportions of the Earth and the Moon.

The Jesus Puzzle by Earl Doherty. See also his website.

The Greek Qabalah: Alphabetic Mysticism and Numerology in the Ancient World by Kieran Barry

A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe: The Mathematical Archetypes of Nature, Art, and Science, by Michael S. Scheider. This is a very readable basic overview of Sacred Geometry and its relationship to the natural world, architecture, and symbolism.

In MLP: FiM, Twilight Sparkle seems to fill the role of the Logos. She is the harmonizing principle that reconciles Celestia and Luna; Day, Night, and Twilight. She is the Magic that "makes it all complete" (compare with the opening verses of the Gospel of John). Notice how her Alicorn transformation in Magical Mystery Cure is framed as a death-and-resurrection narrative. The other Elements suddenly fire upon her, and she seems to explode, leaving only a scorch in the form of her cutie mark on the floor where she stood. She finds herself in "Heaven" with Princess Celestia, going through the "life-review" that people often claim to experience in "Near-Death Experiences" (NDE's). There, she learns her true nature and destiny, returning to life as an Alicorn Princess who becomes the mediating principle between the other cosmic Princesses and ordinary mortal ponies, represented by the the other Five. She is a member of both groups, thus joining together the celestial and earthly realms.

Five is the number of life and nature. Fivefold symmetry is very common in living forms. Starfish, sand dollars, many species of flowers (fivefold petal symmetry, etc.), the human form (see da Vinci's Vitruvian Man), etc. The pentacle (five-pointed star in a regular pentagon) repeatedly generates the Phi ratio, which has to do with fractal forms in nature (the smaller section is to the larger section as the larger section is to the whole) and the process of growth.

Six is the number of balanced structure, order...harmony. The hexagon is the silhouette that results from a twelve-around-one closest-packing of spheres. In three dimensions, the centers of the spheres define the Merkaba shape (an upward-pointing tetrahedron intersecting a downward-pointing tetrahedron, a symbol of reconciliation/balance between opposite polar forces). This form is also the basis for the cuboctahedron, a shape Buckminster Fuller called "Vector Equilibrium."  This is the only shape where the lines defining the edges are equal in length to the lines from the center to the outside vertices. In Buckminster Fuller's Synergetic Geometry, these lines represent force vectors, and the Vector Equilibrium is the form in which the radiating, explosive forces (the vectors emanating from the center) are in balance with the tensile, compressive forces (the vectors defining the edges). They are of equal length (that is, magnitude of force) and angular relationship, resulting in a dynamically stable, self-supporting form. The VE is thus a three-dimensional model of harmony, and the structural shape of space itself.

Twilight's cutie mark expresses this using a central symbol of white and fuchsia six-rayed stars superimposed in a way to match the twelve radiating vectors of the Vector Equilibrium. This figure is surrounded by five more six-rayed stars arranged in a pentagonal shape. On her, the form is irregular, perhaps representing the way that the material world does not quite conform to geometric regularity. As I recall however, the scorched form on the floor left by her explosion is geometrically regular. Thus, she embodies the reconciliation/unifying "Logos" proportion between the Five of life and the Six of cosmic harmony.

Nutshell: Twilicorn was planned from the beginning, and (I predict) is here to stay.

Edited June 29, 2013 by InvisiblePinkUnicorn

[DarligPegasi 315]

xD That was the funniest thing ever. Like I really enjoyed the ignorance and irrationality of that video. *slow claps it out the door*. But seriously, that video was ridiculous.

[Unpredictable Ranger 696]

My opinion about Twilight Sparkle's Element of Harmony (not quite, it is Element of Magic) is six-pointed just like Israel's star, so it is NOT a satanism star, as what the OP mentioned it as. See?