Why flying can't be an outburst!

[pinkiefan1287 610]

So a lot of people have been saying that not only do unicorns have outburst, but so do pegasus. This what I have to say to is that, your all wrong. 

 

First off in the episode, Baby Cakes, Rainbow Dash say's nothing about pegasus losing the power to fly.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldT8qxWh07Y&list=PLy7nVnjfyVun0yL30eT25fmk7lgaizESN&index=15

 

True, Rainbow Dash may just being herself and not saying anything of the draw backs or anything important. Still without anything being said, it implies that once a pegasus starts flying they well continue to fly.

 

Another thing is if people would consider the comics or the books more cannon it show's that, Pound Cake is still able to fly.

 

(Most likely 5 or 6 months after birth) 

Books is after Twilight turns into alicorn. So that point is a year after birth. Maybe.

 

Next off it doesn't make an senses for a pegasus to have an outburst like a unicorn. We are looking at 2 different types of powers. Flying and magic. Magic seems to be charged by some kinda of power that exist inside unicorns. That give them the power to use magic. So when they use magic they well lose a little bit and if they use a lot they well lose a lot of magic. Still it well come back in time. Now Rarity and Twilight said, that unicorns well have sudden burst of magic that comes and goes. This makes senses because babies have very small bodes. So because of their small bodes they can easily recharge their bodes faster than a full grown unicorn. So when they get tired they may lose this magic for a while. 

 

Now flying is not charged by any kinda of magic. True, it is said, that pegasus have some kinda of magic that lets them control weather, but a pegasus wings won't glow if they are flying. To me flying is more based of the physical strength.  

 

So at the end of it there is a power source for magic, but there is no power source for flying.

   

[An Old Head 4,816]

your all wrong.

 

Great start

 

I was one of the people who opposed you earlier, so I feel my presence is necessary here. Now, what you're arguing is that once a Pegasus begins to fly, that is the grounds for them flying from then on. Because Pound Cake began flying at the age of one month, that would thus be the standard age for all Pegasi to start flying.

 

This cannot be true for multiple reasons.

• Fluttershy, who only had a fraction of Pound Cake's flying ability yet was at least sixty times Pound Cake's age (Pound Cake started flying at a month old, Fluttershy at no less than five years), would thus have a disproportionate delay in flying skill. That is completely anomalous and uncharacteristic, and furthermore it's unrealistic. I have actually said this many times in the other thread.

   

• Scootaloo cannot fly at all, and with you suggesting her to be of roughly ten years of age, that would mean her ability to fly has been delayed 120 times more than she should've started flying. Why, then, would this glaring issue not be attended to? 

   

• One of the bully ponies in Cutie Mark Chronicles stated that their baby brother "was flying already". The key word here is already - it distinguishes the ability to fly at such a young age to be unusual. If your theory is correct, and the standard age for Pegasi to fly is one month, then he would not say this.

And your point about magic is quite faultily structured; there is no evidence to support that all magic requires a portion of anatomy to start glowing. It is also in the biological nature of Pegasi to possess magic that enables them to change the weather and walk on clouds. Both of which necessitate flight; can you provide evidence that this passive magic cannot enable flight ability in surges?

 

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I'm also going to respond to your arguments from the other thread.

 

I'm not saying Scootaloo needs to fly. If you ask me keep her grounded now, until the show ends.

 

Also, What does raising him have to do with anything? They can take care of him well, but they won't be able to teach him how to fly.

 Lauren Faust herself detailed Scootaloo to have simply not figured out flying. This implies that she has attempted to fly before, and failed. It's not as if she has the ability to fly but chooses not to.

 

And you yourself were the one to open the point about them being raised. You suggested this:

 

Thats kinda why I think at times Scootaloos parents are earth ponies or that maybe Scootaloo never received the right nutrients when she was developing in her mother. Because they thought their child would be an earth pony. Thats why she can't fly or even do small amounts of flying.

so Pound Cake's situation has to do with this in many ways. If a mother couldn't provide nutrients to their Pegasus filly because they thought it would be an Earth Pony, then Pound Cake's flying abilities would be the same as Scootaloo's - i.e none.

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There are just too many signs in the show to suggest that Pegasi don't just up and start flying at the age of a month. It must be a surge.

Edited September 7, 2013 by Flipturn

[pinkiefan1287 610]

there is no evidence to support that all magic requires a portion of anatomy to start glowing.

 

Well there is proof that magic is based on my theory. If you look at some episodes where Twilight was using her teleportation spell, some times it looks like she is drained and out of power. Also in Sonicrain boom episode, when she use's the wing spell, she also becomes drained by that one to.

 

so Pound Cake's situation has to do with this in many ways. If a mother couldn't provide nutrients to their Pegasus filly because they thought it would be an Earth Pony, then Pound Cake's flying abilities would be the same as Scootaloo's - i.e none.

 

Now this part I'm kinda over thinking about, but here it goes. My thought for this is medicine at the time could not provide well for children who part of mixed families. So in Scootaloos time they did not have ways to provide those families. Now a days they might have updated medicines that provide well for anyone who may have a mixed gen in their family.

 

Another idea I had was, maybe Scootaloos mother was a pegasus, but might have been very weak at the time. So when Scootaloo was born, she also turned out very weak.

 

A kinda sick idea I have, is maybe they tried their best to make sure she never flies. Don't know how, but it's an idea.

 

Or there is always the idea that, Pound Cake is a prodigy destine to be the next best flyer.

 

There are just too many signs in the show to suggest that Pegasi don't just up and start flying at the age of a month. It must be a surge.

 

What proof do you have that says flying is just a surge and how is it in the show? Pound and Pumpkin have not been in many episodes. Their only time now a days is in the comics and books. And it still show's Pound Cake being able to fly. So the flying surge to me does not exist.

Edited September 8, 2013 by pinkiefan1287

[An Old Head 4,816]

You've ignored quite a portion of my post, but I'll still respond to what you did reply to.

 

Well there is proof that magic is based on my theory. If you look at some episodes where Twilight was using her teleportation spell, some times it looks like she is drained and out of power. Also in Sonicrain boom episode, when she use's the wing spell, she also becomes drained by that one to.

 

That still isn't evidence to suggest that the only form of magic is one that illuminates a body part. Like I've said before, Lauren Faust herself confirmed Pegasi and Earth ponies to have passive magic; and as an example, Rainbow Dash was exhausted after "cloud busting" in Too Many Pinkie Pies, meaning that passive weather magic drained her.

 

Now this part I'm kinda over thinking about, but here it goes. My thought for this is medicine at the time could not provide well for children who part of mixed families. So in Scootaloos time they did not have ways to provide those families. Now a days they might have updated medicines that provide well for anyone who may have a mixed gen in their family.

 

Another idea I had was, maybe Scootaloos mother was a pegasus, but might have been very weak at the time. So when Scootaloo was born, she also turned out very weak.

 

A kinda sick idea I have, is maybe they tried their best to make sure she never flies. Don't know how, but it's an idea.

 

Or there is always the idea that, Pound Cake is a prodigy destine to be the next best flyer.

 

So if your theory is true, then the following are also true:

• It just so happens that between Scootaloo and Pound Cake's birth an absolutely revolutionary medical advancement took place
• Or it also just so happens that weak flyers such as Scootaloo and Fluttershy are some of the main characters in the show and both had weak mothers, out of hundreds of other filly Pegasi that could fly.
• For absolutely no reason, her parents didn't want her to fly. Despite her, y'know, having wings, and the fact that all Pegasi are meant to help out with the weather.
• Pound Cake just so happens to be destined to be a future Wonderbolt.

How incredibly convenient...

 

Buddy, it's far too circumstantial. The likelihood of it not being a surge is far, far less than it actually being a surge. It just clears up so many discrepancies such as the ones I've outlined. Or are you to tailor so many different parts of your headcanon to one idea that is otherwise so easily explainable? You're right, you are overthinking this - sometimes the most logical conclusions are the simplest ones.

 

What proof do you have that says flying is just a surge and how is it in the show? Pound and Pumpkin have not been in many episodes. Their only time now a days is in the comics and books. And it still show's Pound Cake being able to fly. So the flying surge to me does not exist.

 

They were described as "surges". Key point being that it's plural. Pound Cake doesn't need to be limited to a single surge of flying ability. And pretty much every single piece of reasoning I've used in this post and all those before it should be evidence enough for you.

 

No offence, dude, but you're coming across very close-minded; you're too firmly set in the very improbable idea that Pegasi start officially flying at the age of a month.

[pinkiefan1287 610]

 

 

That still isn't evidence to suggest that the only form of magic is one that illuminates a body part. Like I've said before, Lauren Faust herself confirmed Pegasi and Earth ponies to have passive magic; and as an example, Rainbow Dash was exhausted after "cloud busting" in Too Many Pinkie Pies, meaning that passive weather magic drained her.  

 

That's barley any proof, saying flying is some form of magic. There is more proof in my physical strength theory. Rainbow Dash is tired because she has been flying a lot and busting cloud after cloud. Runners become tired after running 5 or so amount of miles. Just replace legs with wing.. There is no proof saying she is tried because she drained of magic.

 

 

 

Or it also just so happens that weak flyers such as Scootaloo and Fluttershy are some of the main characters in the show and both had weak mothers, out of hundreds of other filly Pegasi that could fly.

 

For that I was talking about Scootaloo, not Fluttershy. Fluttershy is a good flyer, she just lacks confidences in herself to be able to fly well. Besides if Fluttershy lives in Cloudsdaile most likely her family knew they were going to have a pegasus for a child.  

 

 

 

For absolutely no reason, her parents didn't want her to fly. Despite her, y'know, having wings, and the fact that all Pegasi are meant to help out with the weather.

 

There could be a reason for why they would not want her to fly. Going back to them being earth ponies, maybe Scootaloo parents were afraid of her flying off some where and them not being able to get her if she flew off. Look at the comic part I put up. Mrs. Cake can't reach Pound Cake and there could come a day where he well fly to high and she wont be able to reach him. The fear part could exist in some families. So it could just be the portion of mixed families that can't deal with and just did what they could to protect their child. Also there is no proof saying that all pegasus have to help with weather.

 

 

 

They were described as "surges".

 

Yes, Unicorns were described to have a surge. It has never been said, in the show that pegasus have a surge. You still have not provided any evidence or proof to say other wise. I have provided more proof say that it does not exist.

 

 

 

No offence, dude, but you're coming across very close-minded; you're too firmly set in the very improbable idea that Pegasi start officially flying at the age of a month.

 

I don't think I ever given my own opinion on when pegasus being flying. My theory is that once a  pegasus starts flying they well be able to fly now until the day they die. It could be a 1 month, 2 months, or even a year, but ones they start it well be permeant. 

[An Old Head 4,816]

That's barley any proof, saying flying is some form of magic. There is more proof in my physical strength theory. Rainbow Dash is tired because she has been flying a lot and busting cloud after cloud. Runners become tired after running 5 or so amount of miles. Just replace legs with wing.. There is no proof saying she is tried because she drained of magic.

 

When has Dash ever been tired after flying a lot? She barely broke a sweat after completing five hundred laps at Wonderbolt Academy among other exercises at the place, and she wasn't the least bit exhausted after strenuously training for the Rainboom in Sonic Rainboom. The fact that she's only ever tired after weather-related activity shows that a Pegasi's magic is linked with exertion.

 

For that I was talking about Scootaloo, not Fluttershy. Fluttershy is a good flyer, she just lacks confidences in herself to be able to fly well. Besides if Fluttershy lives in Cloudsdaile most likely her family knew they were going to have a pegasus for a child.

 

Both Scootaloo and Fluttershy have shown flying ineptitude. If Pegasi start flying as early as Pound Cake, then Fluttershy (who couldn't fly even after being sixty times that age) shows an abnormal flying deficiency. Such deficiency doesn't correlate to her later ability to fly as fast as Rainbow Dash in The Return of Harmony, Part 2 (hot air balloon chase).

 

I've had to repeat myself quite a few times here, I'm noticing.

 

There could be a reason for why they would not want her to fly. Going back to them being earth ponies, maybe Scootaloo parents were afraid of her flying off some where and them not being able to get her if she flew off. Look at the comic part I put up. Mrs. Cake can't reach Pound Cake and there could come a day where he well fly to high and she wont be able to reach him. The fear part could exist in some families. So it could just be the portion of mixed families that can't deal with and just did what they could to protect their child. Also there is no proof saying that all pegasus have to help with weather.

 

It is a parent's responsibility to ensure their child is kept watch of, but it is completely unlike a parent to restrict the use of anatomy; wings are what they're born with. Cup Cake is an extremely good mother. There is absolutely no chance that she would deny a Pegasus from being a Pegasus - that's like telling a bird not to fly. The possibility that Pound Cake might fly away doesn't necessitate total restriction of flying ability, there are plenty of means in which they can regulate Pound Cake's flying. Additionally, weather duty proved compulsory in Hurricane Fluttershy where every single Pegasus pony in town was required to help with the tornado.

 

Yes, Unicorns were described to have a surge. It has never been said, in the show that pegasus have a surge. You still have not provided any evidence or proof to say other wise. I have provided more proof say that it does not exist.

 

Okay, that's complete bullshit. Excuse the language, but it frustrates me that you claim I've not proved anything. You didn't even respond to the huge section I wrote in my earlier response about how it couldn't be possible for Pegasi to start flying sans surge, which I'm now going to copy and paste here to make sure you actually read it:

 

"What you're arguing is that once a Pegasus begins to fly, that is the grounds for them flying from then on. Because Pound Cake began flying at the age of one month, that would thus be the standard age for all Pegasi to start flying.

 

This cannot be true for multiple reasons.

• Fluttershy, who only had a fraction of Pound Cake's flying ability yet was at least sixty times Pound Cake's age (Pound Cake started flying at a month old, Fluttershy at no less than five years), would thus have a disproportionate delay in flying skill. That is completely anomalous and uncharacteristic, and furthermore it's unrealistic. I have actually said this many times in the other thread.

   

• Scootaloo cannot fly at all, and with you suggesting her to be of roughly ten years of age, that would mean her ability to fly has been delayed 120 times more than she should've started flying. Why, then, would this glaring issue not be attended to? 

   

• One of the bully ponies in Cutie Mark Chronicles stated that their baby brother "was flying already". The key word here is already - it distinguishes the ability to fly at such a young age to be unusual. If your theory is correct, and the standard age for Pegasi to fly is one month, then he would not say this."

 

I don't think I ever given my own opinion on when pegasus being flying. My theory is that once a  pegasus starts flying they well be able to fly now until the day they die. It could be a 1 month, 2 months, or even a year, but ones they start it well be permeant. 

 

By stating the age a Pegasus starts flying to be the age they will continue to fly, you acknowledged that Pound Cake learned to fly at the age of a month, which contradicts what you've just said.

 

And just like last time, you've ignored portions of my post... :\

Edited September 8, 2013 by Flipturn

[pinkiefan1287 610]

 

 

When has Dash ever been tired after flying a lot? She barely broke a sweat after completing five hundred laps at Wonderbolt Academy among other exercises at the place, and she wasn't the least bit exhausted after strenuously training for the Rainboom in Sonic Rainboom. The fact that she's only ever tired after weather-related activity shows that a Pegasi's magic is linked with exertion.

 

Some people just get tired some days. Maybe she pulled a wing or pushed herself a little to hard than usual. At this point it could be either one or heck maybe it's both.

 

 

 

Both Scootaloo and Fluttershy have shown flying ineptitude. If Pegasi start flying as early as Pound Cake, then Fluttershy (who couldn't fly even after being sixty times that age) shows an abnormal flying deficiency. Such deficiency doesn't correlate to her later ability to fly as fast as Rainbow Dash in The Return of Harmony, Part 2 (hot air balloon chase).   I've had to repeat myself quite a few times here, I'm noticing.

 

Fluttershy could still fly, she just could not fly well. She has just gotten better over time. Fluttershy can't go as fast as Rainbow Dash, but is still able to fly pretty well.

 

 

 

It is a parent's responsibility to ensure their child is kept watch of, but it is completely unlike a parent to restrict the use of anatomy; wings are what they're born with. Cup Cake is an extremely good mother. There is absolutely no chance that she would deny a Pegasus from being a Pegasus - that's like telling a bird not to fly. The possibility that Pound Cake might fly away doesn't necessitate total restriction of flying ability, there are plenty of means in which they can regulate Pound Cake's flying. Additionally, weather duty proved compulsory in Hurricane Fluttershy where every single Pegasus pony in town was required to help with the tornado.

 

It's called being an overprotective parents. Some parents don't let their kids go outside or even have friends, because they don't think it's safe. So it could be that they are just being overprotective. I don't know her parents haven't been in an episode yet. I'm just giving ideas.

 

That still could have just been Rainbow Dash wanting to break that weather record and wanting all the help she can get. Still could very.

 

 

 

"What you're arguing is that once a Pegasus begins to fly, that is the grounds for them flying from then on. Because Pound Cake began flying at the age of one month, that would thus be the standard age for all Pegasi to start flying.  

 

I'm not say the standard is 1 month. It could be any age.

 

 

 

Fluttershy, who only had a fraction of Pound Cake's flying ability yet was at least sixty times Pound Cake's age (Pound Cake started flying at a month old, Fluttershy at no less than five years), would thus have a disproportionate delay in flying skill. That is completely anomalous and uncharacteristic, and furthermore it's unrealistic. I have actually said this many times in the other thread.  

 

Still she can fly and has gotten better with time.

 

 

 

Scootaloo cannot fly at all, and with you suggesting her to be of roughly ten years of age, that would mean her ability to fly has been delayed 120 times more than she should've started flying. Why, then, would this glaring issue not be attended to? 

 

Simple, lazy writing. They well look at it in season 4.

 

 

 

One of the bully ponies in Cutie Mark Chronicles stated that their baby brother "was flying already". The key word here is already - it distinguishes the ability to fly at such a young age to be unusual. If your theory is correct, and the standard age for Pegasi to fly is one month, then he would not say this."  

 

He could have just done it to make Flutteshy feel worse. Who knows? He could have said, kid brother, or younger brother. Besides we don't even know how old this kid is. Could be 1 month, 5 months, or even 1 year.   

 

Look dude, I'm getting sick and tired of this and I'm betting you are 2 and to what it looks like no one cares. This clearly is a battle that in the end well have no winner. I can't connives you and you can't connives me. So I say we just wait and see what happens in the show. Go a head and respond to this and prove everything I said, wrong. I just don't care anymore.

[Winona the Dog 1,984]

To be honest I think Baby Cakes was written a bit inconsistently. The magical surges make sense but the whole flying thing kind of irks me. Especially after seeing Pound Cake fly with extreme speed that would put Rainbow Dash to shame.

 

Flying seems like something one would have to train for like physical strength. It would explain Fluttershy and Scootaloos weak ability because they never train. (Or at least they're unable to)

[Scootalove 10,689]

Baby Cakes didn't really explain anything right because, newborn foals don't learn magic or fly right away until they master it first. The magical surges I understand just not the flying. When you train a lot of learn a new ability, you start to master it when your able to perform that one ability.

[An Old Head 4,816]

Look dude, I'm getting sick and tired of this and I'm betting you are 2 and to what it looks like no one cares. This clearly is a battle that in the end well have no winner. I can't connives you and you can't connives me. So I say we just wait and see what happens in the show. Go a head and respond to this and prove everything I said, wrong. I just don't care anymore.

 

Well, I was going to respond to your reply and continue this debate, but after reading this segment at the end it looks like there's no point. Admittedly it was becoming obvious that less and less of your attention was being paid to a debate that you were the one to pose, and now you've said you'll just be outright uncaring of this discussion... meaning that me supporting my opinion at your own stimuli was in vain. Please bear that in mind for future discussion threads that you begin.

 

It's your thread, so I trust you've made the call for this thread to be closed. I'll do the same anyway.

Edited September 8, 2013 by Flipturn

[Blue Moon 6,342]

I don't really know what I agree on. On one hand, it would make more sense for a pegasus pony's flying ability to be a physical strength rather than magic. But then again, Pound Cake is a very good flier in the Baby Cakes episode which would suggest that pegasi foals are exceptionally talented when they are just a foal like a unicorn foal, but grow out of it as they get older, and have to practice it to get better at it. I guess I'll just look at each of the them.

 

If it were a physical strength, that would make a bit more sense to me as the wings similar to legs on pegasi, and it would appear that flying is just something you learn over practice. Also, it appears that pegasi do get tired from flying if they do it vigorously and/or for a long period of time as we can see from some of the other ponies in Wonderbolts Academy; Rainbow Dash and Lightning Dust can fly a bit longer without getting worn out probably because they are better fliers. 

 

The only problem I can think of with this theory is that Pound Cake is a very good flier during his appearance in the Baby Cakes episode which wouldn't make sense if it was an ability you had to learn. Pound Cake would have to be just an amazing flier if that were the case. I highly doubt that. So, it would make more sense if it was something surge-related. My theory for this is that Pegasi foals either are able to fly exceptionally well for short periods of time, or that they are just really good fliers when they are foals, but as they grow older; they start becoming more normal with their flying abilities, and have to learn it like any other Pegasus.

 

I guess it must be a surge due to it would make sense for Pound Cake to just naturally be able to fly amazingly.