Who was disappointed by today's new episode, Flight to the finish?

[BalanceBrony 259]

Your first reply to me felt like an attack. "That's what's wrong with you! And that's what's wrong with this fandom."  That didn't feel like someone saying you're free to have your own opinion.

 

I made this topic right after I watched the episode, so maybe I should have let things sit for a little while and thought it over first, but the issue I have with the episode is that it didn't have any true resolution. The episode set itself up like Scootaloo was going to fly to show DT and SS they were wrong, but then nothing really happened.  As another user pointed out, if the writers DO make a choice on whether she's disable or not, either way the fans would be unhappy. If she's disabled it'll cause controversy, and fans will be sad she'll never be able to fly.     If she flies, then it dilutes the message that she doesn't need to fly to be amazing.    

 

I can understand that and agree with it. However, if you're NOT going to have the guts to make a choice and stick with it, then why make an episode about it in the first place if you're not going to resolve it one way or the other? THAT is my core issue with the episode. The set-up was there, the episode was reasonably enjoyable, but the lack of resolution is what really ticked me off and made me dislike it. The writers shrugged at it before, and they're still shrugging now.

They can still imply things, as they did with this episode. They can throw hints and such. They just can't say anything on screen. There needs to be that ambiguity, for everyone to be pleased.

 

Although, they don't need to please everyone. Speaking objectively, and not from my perspective, it definitely seems like they are serious about Scootaloo being disabled, and the message were treated as if that were the case. That being said, it is not unreasonable to think that they will pursue this issue, and in fact, I think they will. Yes, fans will be sad. However, no fan would really disagree with the message, or hate on the writers for bringing something so positive to the table. In the end, the messages of the show is one of the things which draws us to it. There would be people crying over it, but in the end we would all accept disabled Scootaloo.

Edited December 14, 2013 by BalanceBrony

[Adente 1,000]

Aren't you overreacting a little? This was the first episode I actually disliked. I love the show, but for me this episode fell flat, and everyone is going to have different opinions about the quality of some episodes.

 

To this episode in particular, yes, I might be overreacting. Because my irritation with the fandom isn't because of this specific episode, but every episode. Whenever an episode comes out, there are pessimistic fans whining and nitpicking and trying to find problems with the episodes. Its like half this fandom is impossible to please no matter what the writers do. If they don't give shout outs to the fandom, they're jerks. If they give shout outs, they're pandering. There is just no pleasing some people! I simply wish more people would just enjoy the show for what it is and stop complaining about every little detail of what is, at the end of the day, a show made to sell toys to little girls. 

[Naive Wolf Josh 93]

 

3. What's Cheesy Gordita?

 

Tommy Oliver a.k.a. Bronycurious loves this term to describe Fluttershy.  I would explain what he means, but I think he does a better job of it in one of his many videos.  

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/bronycurious <- His youtube page.

[ghostfacekiller39 23,880]

Tommy Oliver a.k.a. Bronycurious loves this term to describe Fluttershy.  I would explain what he means, but I think he does a better job of it in one of his many videos.  

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/bronycurious <- His youtube page.

I know Tommy Oliver I love that guy. I just haven't watched all, or that many, of his videos. Great analyst, and he earned my respect and loyalty when he called Kimi Sparkles out on her BS.

 

Huh. Can't believe I didn't notice that.

[Never2muchpinkie 211]

To this episode in particular, yes, I might be overreacting. Because my irritation with the fandom isn't because of this specific episode, but every episode. Whenever an episode comes out, there are pessimistic fans whining and nitpicking and trying to find problems with the episodes. Its like half this fandom is impossible to please no matter what the writers do. If they don't give shout outs to the fandom, they're jerks. If they give shout outs, they're pandering. There is just no pleasing some people! I simply wish more people would just enjoy the show for what it is and stop complaining about every little detail of what is, at the end of the day, a show made to sell toys to little girls. 

For me I don't pay too much attention to the small things. Who is in what episode, what the episode is about, etc. As long as it entertains me I see it as a good episode. However, this episode was a rare exception. Having recently finished a Scootaloo/RD fic myself, and having seen the preview animatic for it, I was really hoping we'd get to see Scootaloo fly. That's why this episode hit me so hard. I would have preferred this to just be a RD/Scoot episode showing them training together and continuing from where they left off in Sleepless in Ponyville. Even if she didn't fly by the end, it still would have been nice to see how their bond had changed since then. Now with two RD episodes pretty much back to back there's little chance of that happening anytime soon.

 

My fic pretty much had the same message for Scootaloo from RD of 'you don't need to fly to be cool' and, even though she does learn to fly well, she settles on using her wings to improve her Scootering ability and pushes to excel in that because Rainbow wants her to shine and stand out in her own way, not just be a carbon copy of her.  If you'd like to call me biased, then you may, but I think the episode would have been better that way.

[Neon Fire 473]

I really liked it, but was also disappointed about not finding out whether or not she can fly.  I also thought she would get her cutie mark, but that isn't too big of a deal.

[Homura Akemi 974]

No. I liked it. It reminded me a lot of the feel of the season 2 episodes. I also thought Rainbow Dash's character was written a lot better than usual. You can't impress everyone. 

Edited December 14, 2013 by Violet Beauregarde

[hawkflame 3,315]

And that's the whole issue in a nutshell. If they're never going to have the guts to answer the question one way or the other, don't set up the episode like you're going to or make an episode highlighting the issue then back out of resolving it in any meaningful way. This episode didn't push the answer forward one way or another toward either side, so in essence it was pointless. It's a maybe in the fandom, and now the writers just shrugged and said it's still up in the air in canon.  That's why this episode bugs me so much.

 

I don't think it was pointless as much as it was about telling people not to worry about the issue so much.  It was about trying to use her inability to fly to send a positive message- "Don't worry about whether or not you're a great flyer, that doesn't reflect on who you are".  I don't think they could have sent that message any other way. 

[pinkiefan1287 610]

Well I am happy that Scootaloo can't fly, the CMC breaking up for a while, and RD saying she may or may not fly.

 

Overall I did not care for it to much. It felt like a wasted chance to use the SL and RD sister-hood thing. Seeing as she could have gone to RD for help.

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[RaptorJaysus 178]

I must admit, I liked this episode. I never really liked the whole let's-go-out-and-find-who-we-truly-are-and-earn-our-cutie-marks attitude of the CMC, and this episode didn't showcase it at all. I didn't really like the fact that this was ANOTHER RD-heavy episode, which after last week, I get annoyed with it. What I want to see is and episode focusing on ponies like Vinyl, Octavia, Derpy and Doctor Whooves. But, I know Hasbro probably won't do that.

[ReverseFaller 2,484]

The episode was okay. It had a cute song in it, and the episode gave Scootaloo some nice development. However, I wanted to freaking punch Diamond Tiara in the face when she was mocking Scootaloo.

 

Anyways, the season 4 premiere episodes were fantastic. The last 3 episodes however have had kind of a weird vibe, at least in my eyes. That's not to say they're bad, they just feel different. Anyhow, I'm glad we finally got our first season 4 song, it's about time.

[SomariFeyWright 776]

... It isn't just me? I-I'm not alone here? There are others who weren't that attached to this episode. God, I thought I was just insane.

 

... Anyway, I wasn't bothered by Scootaloo's inability to fly or the teasing on the possibility of her getting her Cutie Mark... my mane concern was Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon. As with just about every other CMC episode of MLP, these two characters single-hoofedly made the episode all the more unbearable. Their two-dimensional personalities that needlessly hate those "inferior" to them is NOT a good way of causing conflict, especially not in this episode. This conflict of this episode could have worked just as well - if not BETTER - if the issue of being unable to fly had come to Scootaloo by her own natural mentality. Seeing her come to terms with her inability to fly and beat the mentality that it's bad into her own head would have been MUCH more powerful and would overall have made things much more interesting.

 

That's my opinion, anyways.

 

There's also the rushed ending, but I think everypony's pointed that one out.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

I know Tommy Oliver I love that guy. I just haven't watched all, or that many, of his videos. Great analyst, and he earned my respect and loyalty when he called Kimi Sparkles out on her BS.

 

Huh. Can't believe I didn't notice that.

 

I like him to, I like his optimistic outlook and how he tends to call out the people complaining about the state of the fandom and put them in their place.

 

I may be mistake, but I though Kimi was a parody character played but the actress from Sherpclop?

[Blique 211]

Ever since I saw the mini clip of DT and SS making fun of Scootaloo for not flying I was anxiously impatiently awaiting this episode, believing it would finally answer the question of whether Scootaloo would fly or not. That question still hasn't been answered, which was really a killer for me. At the end of the episode they zoom in on Scootaloo's wings and she gasps, and you think maybe she's going to try flying again, but nope. It's a meaningless close-up, because they just bring up the tired cliche of Show Stoppers where they think they'll get a cutie mark for something else and one of the ponies gives an exasperated look.

 

It isn't exactly a bad episode, but I was let down by the hype and expectations. If SS and DT really wanted to break up the team, why focus on Scootaloo alone, except to toy with the fans who really wanted that question answered.  They could have just as easily gone after Sweetie Belle too and bring up her lack of magic, except for one little 'burst.'

 

Forgive me if this comment has already been made...the thread got too off-topic at one point to make me want to read through all the comments...

 

You are missing the point of the episode. The lesson is that it doesn't matter whether or not she can fly. She is the same pony either way. If you want to know so badly, is it not because you value one over the other?

[Courageous Thunder Dash 7,826]

I wasn't really disappointed about the overall episode, but disappointed due to the fact that I think that Scootaloo not being able to fly was finally revealed. I was soooo hoping that Scootaloo would be able to take to the skies in one of these upcoming episodes . 

[Whatevs 377]

I was simultaneously disappointed and pleasantly surprised. Surprised because I expected the episode to be maudlin and heavily double dipping Sleepless in Ponyville. It was neither, too much/

 

Disappointed because the episode played it safe and was not great.

[Noodles 109]

And that's the whole issue in a nutshell. If they're never going to have the guts to answer the question one way or the other, don't set up the episode like you're going to or make an episode highlighting the issue then back out of resolving it in any meaningful way. This episode didn't push the answer forward one way or another toward either side, so in essence it was pointless. It's a maybe in the fandom, and now the writers just shrugged and said it's still up in the air in canon. That's why this episode bugs me so much.

Seriously why should they lock in an answer just to make a few fans happy? gees they affirmed that she dose indeed have a disability much like in real life sometimes you just don't know if someone will ever be able to do something or not. the freaking point of the show was to show you can be awesome despite your disability. witch the show did nicely. O I don't have all the answers served up on a silver platter big freaking deal.

[Never2muchpinkie 211]

Forgive me if this comment has already been made...the thread got too off-topic at one point to make me want to read through all the comments...

 

You are missing the point of the episode. The lesson is that it doesn't matter whether or not she can fly. She is the same pony either way. If you want to know so badly, is it not because you value one over the other?

I don't think I'm missing the point at all. Whether or not she flies I will still like her. I don't have any problems either way it went. My issue isn't with Scootaloo. It's about them looking they were going to address the issue and make a decision, and then not answering it either way.

Seriously why should they lock in an answer just to make a few fans happy? gees they affirmed that she dose indeed have a disability much like in real life sometimes you just don't know if someone will ever be able to do something or not. the freaking point of the show was to show you can be awesome despite your disability. witch the show did nicely. O I don't have all the answers served up on a silver platter big freaking deal.

No, they didn't confirm anything on whether or not she has a disability. They just said maybe you'll fly, maybe you won't. I do hate to repeat what you just replied to, but if you're going to bring up an issue, then shy away from giving it a conclusion because you're afraid of offending fans, then why make an episode about it? No, I don't need ever answer handed to me on a silver plate, and I'd appreciate it if you'd stop making assumptions that I'm arrogant. This was just an issue that was close to my heart, and is the first episode to affect me in this way. All the other episodes, whether great or just okay to me, didn't makw me feel this way.

[Solar Cloud 493]

I may be mistake, but I though Kimi was a parody character played but the actress from Sherpclop?

She is. I'm still stuck wondering, because of this fact , why Sadistic takes her seriously when she was never meant to be.

[Blique 211]

I don't think I'm missing the point at all. Whether or not she flies I will still like her. I don't have any problems either way it went. My issue isn't with Scootaloo. It's about them looking they were going to address the issue and make a decision, and then not answering it either way.

 

What I mean is, why does it matter whether or not she can fly? The point of the episode is literally "it doesn't matter whether or not you can fly".

[Noodles 109]

No, they didn't confirm anything on whether or not she has a disability. They just said maybe you'll fly, maybe you won't. I do hate to repeat what you just replied to, but if you're going to bring up an issue, then shy away from giving it a conclusion because you're afraid of offending fans, then why make an episode about it? No, I don't need ever answer handed to me on a silver plate, and I'd appreciate it if you'd stop making assumptions that I'm arrogant. This was just an issue that was close to my heart, and is the first episode to affect me in this way. All the other episodes, whether great or just okay to me, didn't makw me feel this way.

They did as a matter of fact say she has a disability NOW her she cant fly NOW. and perhaps never will. there are Plenty of people in wheelchairs that might someday walk. but that dose not men they cant walk NOW. so they did answer the dam question. this is a world of magic its impossible to say anything can or cant happen.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

She is. I'm still stuck wondering, because of this fact , why Sadistic takes her seriously when she was never meant to be.

 

I don't know, but without disclosing anything specific, I've been discussing it with her and trying to understand.

[ghostfacekiller39 23,880]

I don't know, but without disclosing anything specific, I've been discussing it with her and trying to understand.

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Just thought I'd fix this little error.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

*Him

 

Just thought I'd fix this little error.

 

Sorry habit, I have a bad habit of picturing people based on their icons so I tend to think female charater=female user out of habit.