Elsa vs Celestia

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

You're problems with logic are piling up.  First of all, you're saying that two dudes with crossbows are more of a challenge than Queen Chrysalis?  That is the most absurd nonsense I've ever heard.

Don't misquote me, I never said that. I just said that Celestia's experience advantage is not THAT great

 

 

Second, did you watch this movie?  In the movie Frozen, Elsa's magic manifests as blue mist before taking the form of ice or snow.  Also, Elsa was foiled by a frickin' chandelier because she wasn't paying proper attention.

The moment it takes to manifest is tiny and I haven't argued against that

 

 

Elsa has ZERO combat experience, which a determent to her in a fight with a battle-hardened spellcaster.  Try as hard as you can to belittle Celestia for no reason, that won't change this fact.  Blindsiding your opinion is a very basic tactic that Celestia is familiar with.

1,000 years of peace does not make you battle hardened and Celestia has zero experience against someone using Elsa's style of powers

 

 

Love how you bring up the blizzard that had no effect on the nonmagical horses of Erindil.

Erindil? You mean Arendelle? And walking on the ground is different from flying in the air within slip streams. Elsa also wasn't actually trying during the movie

 

 

News flash: horses live up north too.  And they do rather well.  In fact, modern horses survived ice ages.  I think the ice golem and magical blasts would be a bigger issue for Celestia.

The blizzard won't kill her, but it will keep her from getting good shots in the air

 

 

Elsa's lack of experience and poor mental state makes it easy for her to get distracted and blindsided. Elsa has no way of knowing where Celestia teleports to when she does.

Celestia won't be seeing to well in a blizzard either. Elsa won't have a good line of sight either but she doesn't really need good aim since a lot of her attacks have a good radius

[Forlong 1,726]

1,000 years of peace does not make you battle hardened and Celestia has zero experience against someone using Elsa's style of powers

 

Yeah, we have no reason to think Celestia would be prepared for ice based magic.

 

And you ignore the fact that Elsa would not be prepared to fight another spellcaster either.  This discussion is over.  I have shown several times over how Elsa would not be able to reasonably win.  Not unless Celestia made moronic mistakes that we all know she wouldn't make.

 

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[Scootalove 10,689]

The last time the show had Celestia face off against an enemy alone wasn't the best example, but I think that she can still hold her ground against Elsa.

[Hive King 2,001]

@@Forlong,

Celestia wasn't even around when the Wendigos lived

 

And you keep misquoting me, I just said Celestia won't be prepared too well

 

And I have done the same for Elsa 

[Elsa 45]

Elsa stares at Celestia. Celestia has a competetive glare, ready to fight. Elsa starts off with a strong icy blast, going toward Celestia. Celestia uses a blast of light from her horn. Now they are tied. So they stop. Elsa shoots sharp icy spikes toward Celestia, but she flies over them. Now Princess Celestia makes arrows appear, and shoots them toward Elsa. She blocks the shots with an ice block. Elsa has had enough. She creates a snow monster, ready to fight. Celestia stares at it in suprise. The monster uses the term sunbutt toward Celestia while fighting her. While being beat up, Celestia remembered. I am the Princess of the Seun! I am superior oversnow! Regaining her strength, Celestia created a fireball, large as sun. She shot it toward Elsa, and she fell inti her ice castle. Celesyia has won for Equestria! My android is not allowing me to change text, sorry.

[Solid 1,327]

Elsa, b/c she probably wouldn't get kidnapped by a plant.

 

 

EDIT: Okay, if I'm really serious than Celestia. She is a friggin' goddess, Elsa does have supernatural abilities but she is still apparently human.

Edited July 24, 2014 by Solid Scorpion

[Fractured 2,684]

Celestia is at least city level in magical ability just scaling from Cadence and Shining armor(technically, Luna is at least Moon level for causing a lunar eclipse, but whatever). She also gets all of Twilight's spells, since the books she learned them from came from the princess herself. Twilight herself can flip a tree upside down, and Trixie with the power of "highest level unicorn" can put a magical dome wider than the circumference of Ponyville. Both of them can manipulate the weather; Rarity herself managed to generate a localize snowstorm and then melt it with enough heat to give everyone sunburns. Being an alicorn and a former wonderbolt, she's faster, as fast, or almost as fast as RD, which means near lightning level speed and reactions. Twilight can catch Rainbow Dash at near max speed(Lesson Zero), so her magical reactions are near that level as well. Finally, ponies just don't seem to feel the cold- Twilight got a massive pile of snow dropped on her, and looked annoyed, and the temperature when they were walking to the Crystal Empire had to be below zero, but the only pony wearing anything protective was Shining Armor... for his eyes. Rainbow Dash can even fly in that weather, no frozen wings and no complaints.
Cut to Elsa, who was going to die...from arrows. Those same arrows that she just barely reacted to. Her ice is powerful, but loses energy fast because of how spread out it is; she would need to smack Celestia full in the face with that snowflake she made at the end of the movie for her to even feel it. That Celestia who's as fast as Rainbow Dash. And can teleport. And transmute. And can flip gravity. And immolate objects. And throw cruciartis style curses at people. Elsa's done.
-edit- Actually, just controlling the sun in the summer sun celebration means her magical reactions are damn near light speed. Even worse; it took twelve "highest level unicorns" working together with Starswirl the Bearded just to move the sun and moon every day. Celestia did it before she got her cutie mark, and it made her even more powerful. That means at her weakest, she's stronger than 12 city busters. This is a stomp

Edited July 24, 2014 by Shimmer5000

[Hive King 2,001]

@,

If you are going for calcs, well

 

 

With these calcs, Elsa can easily top those feats if she releases her powers in bursts

[Nuke87654 1,849]

@,

If you are going for calcs, well

 

 

With these calcs, Elsa can easily top those feats if she releases her powers in bursts

Elsa's still a glass cannon that is facing against a foe that can react far quicker than she can and can kill her in one blast.

[Hive King 2,001]

Elsa's still a glass cannon that is facing against a foe that can react far quicker than she can and can kill her in one blast.

Both will die if the other fires, is that agreed on?

[Fractured 2,684]

@,

If you are going for calcs, well

 

With these calcs, Elsa can easily top those feats if she releases her powers in bursts

Are we doing calcs? I thought we were doing feats. Interesting. Well, here's Celestia towing the moon in the comics, quantified in speed:

 

 

 

 

 

what is of interest to us is how fast the lasso reached the moon

I'll make a range of 10 to 30 seconds 

 

distance to the Moon = 384,400 km

 

 

speed 1 = 384,400/10 = 38,440 km/s = Mach 113,000

 

speed 2 = 384,400/20 = 19,220 km/s = Mach 56,480

 

speed 3 = 384,400/30 = 12,813 km/s = Mach 37,650

 

 

this was done by Celestias magic, so it's safe to say propagation speed of the magic/spells of anyone/anything >= Celestia is this fast as well .. especially of the more combat ones

 

and it actually makes a lot of sense since these blasts/beams are supposed to be fast enough for the top-tiers to reliably hit each other in flight (Mach 1250+ flight) even from a distance, which would require them to be much faster then the flight speed.

 

And quantified again, in energy:

 

it's still night, so I'll use 12 hours as the lowest end timeframe

whatever distance remains between the planet and the Moon should be negligible, so distance = 385,000,000 m

 

385,000,000m / 12 hours = 8912 m/s speed

 

Mass = 7.3477×10^22 kg

Luna & Co pull the moon = 2.918E+30 J = 697.42+ Exatons as the the lowest possible, rather unrealistic, end of 12 hours

 

 

 

And again, this time from the episode "Lesson Zero":

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sun diameter = 1,392,684 km = 470 px

distance Sun moved in that timeframe = 300-220 = 80 px = 237,052.6 km

 

Speed = 237,052.6 / 2.5416 = 93,269.043 km/s = 93,269,043 m/s = 0.31c, relativistic+

 

Mass = 1.9891×10^30 kg

9.334E+45 J :

- 2,230,879,541,109 Yottaton

- 13,528x GBE of the Sun

- 93.34 Foe, Solar System+ level

 

 

I even have an energy calculator if you really want one. We can accept or reject calcs all day, but either way, Elsa's toasted.

[Hive King 2,001]

@,

Are the comics canon?

 

As for Lesson Zero, that seemed to be more in Twilight's head about the ticking Sun 

[Nuke87654 1,849]

Both will die if the other fires, is that agreed on?

If she manages to hit her as Celestia has more ways to avoid her attacks via speedblitzing, flight, teleportation, and a shield. You may have evidence that Elsa can kill Celestia (which I doubt considering Celestia has survived being on the sun when nightmare moon returned), Elsa still has no means to counter the immense mobility advantage, experience, and attack abilities Celestia has over Elsa.

@,

Are the comics canon?

 

As for Lesson Zero, that seemed to be more in Twilight's head about the ticking Sun

 

Comics are canon unless DHX or Hasbro says no that issue isn't.

 

As for the sun ticking down, I'll agree on your assesment.

[Hive King 2,001]

If she manages to hit her as Celestia has more ways to avoid her attacks via speedblitzing, flight, teleportation, and a shield. You may have evidence that Elsa can kill Celestia (which I doubt considering Celestia has survived being on the sun when nightmare moon returned), Elsa still has no means to counter the immense mobility advantage, experience, and attack abilities Celestia has over Elsa.

Fair enough, I can give in on this respect

 

If both were IC, Elsa would have had a better shot, but since I gave them blood lust, Celestia wins via speed

[Fractured 2,684]

@,

Are the comics canon?

 

As for Lesson Zero, that seemed to be more in Twilight's head about the ticking Sun 

Comics are canon until someone says otherwise. And the feat concerned in Lesson Zero is ~17:43 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x14zwjy_my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-season-2-episode-3-lesson-zero-hd-no-watermarks_shortfilms (Not like it matters, Celestia uses that much magical energy whenever she moves the sun.)

[Hive King 2,001]

Comics are canon until someone says otherwise. And the feat concerned in Lesson Zero is ~17:43 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x14zwjy_my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-season-2-episode-3-lesson-zero-hd-no-watermarks_shortfilms (Not like it matters, Celestia uses that much magical energy whenever she moves the sun.)

Moving the Sun is far less impressive in the MLP world because it's a lot smaller than our Sun. Why do we know this? Because Twilight's blunders in Twilight's Kingdom didn't destroy Equestria

[Nuke87654 1,849]

Moving the Sun is far less impressive in the MLP world because it's a lot smaller than our Sun. Why do we know this? Because Twilight's blunders in Twilight's Kingdom didn't destroy Equestria

 

Neither did Discord's own spree in 'Return to Harmony'. Also, Amy had said in an email (god I wish Outskirts didn't do a reset) that the Sun and Moon in FIM are the same size as ours, and I see no reason to indicate otherwise, I'm going to go with the Sun and Moon are the same size. Also, how is moving a star (regardless of size) any-less impressive when a star weighs far more than anything we have.

[Hive King 2,001]

Neither did Discord's own spree in 'Return to Harmony'. Also, Amy had said in an email (god I wish Outskirts didn't do a reset) that the Sun and Moon in FIM are the same size as ours, and I see no reason to indicate otherwise, I'm going to go with the Sun and Moon are the same size. Also, how is moving a star (regardless of size) any-less impressive when a star weighs far more than anything we have.

If that's the case, then Equestria must be some sort of super plant to be able to survive that. Or the writers weren't thinking about physics, which is probably more likely and should go in the same category as Freeza being able to lift up something heavy enough to crush the planet yet Goku only carrying 40 tons

[Fractured 2,684]

Neither did Discord's own spree in 'Return to Harmony'. Also, Amy had said in an email (god I wish Outskirts didn't do a reset) that the Sun and Moon in FIM are the same size as ours, and I see no reason to indicate otherwise, I'm going to go with the Sun and Moon are the same size. Also, how is moving a star (regardless of size) any-less impressive when a star weighs far more than anything we have.

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[Hive King 2,001]

Fair enough on that, if that is the case, Equestria must be a super planet of some sort, easily the size of a small star

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Despite my fanboying over Elsa, I'd say they're pretty evenly matched. Celestia has magic on a scale to influence the rising and setting of the sun; Elsa can unleash a storm capable of freezing an entire country (presumably something size of northern Scandinavia). Celestia has more experience with powerful magic, whereas Elsa might have more raw combat-level magic (e.g., manifesting freezing blasts and walls of ice spikes).

 

I'm inclined to believe Celestia would ultimately win through cunning and guile. Elsa is given to magical outbursts beyond her control; enough stress from battle might leave her in a precarious position. It would not, however, be an easy victory for Celestia by any stretch. The tide could potentially turn if Elsa made the battleground totally inhospitable through ice and cold. Celestia would have to press an early advantage before Elsa could pick up steam (no pun intended) and really unleash her strongest spells.

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Well, Elsa is easily scared and Celestia....she doesn't seem like much work at all...so Elsa. I love the cold

[Darker 1,351]

Celestia. Magic vs Ice, it's pretty obvious.

[Mr. Nutt™ 146]

Celestia would obviously find a way out of a pointless fight, shouldn't be too hard since I doubt Elsa has much of a reason to want to fight her anyway. (Seriously, why would these two fight?)