Anypony else disappointed by Tartarus?

[Forlong 1,726]

Okay, am I the only person who was a bit disappointed in the design of Tartarus?

 

I always thought it was built into a mountain, but where's the fire and brimstone?  Where's the river of lava? Were there budget cuts?

 

FYI: did anypony else notice that the princesses are in the cell next to Tirek?

[Castle Bleck 19,440]

My reaction to the lack of lava:

 

[_Kurtis 636]

I wasn't disappointed at all.

The fact that there was no fire or lava makes the place look dark and spooky. 

[Shanks 10,817]

It may be the MLP equivalent of hell but they may not have included as much fire and brimstone to be on the safe side because of how parents these days tend to flip out about stuff like that. Honestly I am surprised there weren't more that flipped out about the Twilight VS Tirek fight not because I had any objections but again people freak out about this stuff a lot more than they used to.

[silvadel 1,393]

That is the Very Important Ponies section where alicorn-level internees are kept.

 

The lava is for ponies who would be impressed by it.

 

Isolation is harder on immortals anyway.

[Discordian 6,019]

Why would you expect an exact replica of it? It lacks creativity to just do a carbon copy of the original version of mythological creatures.

[MLPFanatic34 3,241]

I liked the look of Tartarus to be honest, I sort of wished they'd have shown more of it, but I guess it would of taken too much time, yeah had it had lava and everything that would of been a bit much for a kids show.

[The Crimson Cross 7,533]

I never expected it to have lava in it for some reason, but I think it looks fine how it is. 

Though I like the design, the idea seems a little farfetched to me. Nah. I wonder what else lies hidden in that place.

Where is this place anyway? Another dimension? Or is it just hidden in some remote cave in Equestria?

[Shady Bubbles 429]

My theory is that the series finale will involve the mane 6 being in Tartarus, whether exploring it to find some enemy or trying to escape it.

 

How epic would that be? The end of the series taking place in pony Hell? 

[EquineWhoDoesStuff 49]

Actually, according to Greek mythology Tartarus was pretty spot on. It's supposed to be a desolate gloomy prison, at least in the original myths. Later on it became more classically hell-like, but that's not the rendition of Tartarus used here. It's not supposed to be filled with fire and brimstone and such, it's a cold pit of infinite darkness.

 

Nothing has indicated this is an actual MLP equivalent to hell. Tartarus is supposed to be below hades, an abyss at the very bottom of the world. It's more like the actual early Greek Tartarus, where the powerful enemies of the gods were cast to be imprisoned away from the world. Later on especially wicked humans were also cast there for punishment, but the idea of it remained essentially the same.

[Courageous Thunder Dash 7,825]

Could've been a bit more detailed. Just seemed like a regular stone prison. Needed more fire and all of the hellish sort. 

[EquineWhoDoesStuff 49]

Could've been a bit more detailed. Just seemed like a regular stone prison. Needed more fire and all of the hellish sort. 

 

 

Actually, according to the Greek myths this Tartarus is based on, there shouldn't be fire or anything like that. They seem to be using the original idea of Tartarus, that of it being a giant desolate stone prison at the bottom of the world, where the gods most powerful enemies are imprisoned. 

 

So no, no lava or hellfire called for.

 

 

EDIT: Here, I found some quotes about Tartarus. (Or Tartaros)

 

"For a brazen anvil falling down from heaven nine nights and days would reach the earth upon the tenth: and again, a brazen anvil falling from earth nine nights and days would reach Tartaros upon the tenth. Round it runs a fence of bronze, and night spreads in triple line all about it like a neck-circlet, while above grow the roots of the earth and unfruitful sea. There by the counsel of Zeus who drives the clouds the Titan gods are hidden under misty gloom, in a dank place where are the ends of the huge earth." -Hesiod, Theogony 715

 

"Broadbeard Kronos sank under the thunderbolt, and Zeus sealed him deep in the dark Tartarean pit, armed in vain with the watery weapons of the storm." -Nonnus, Dionysiaca 24. 230

 

Note the words, "misty gloom" "dank place where are the ends of the huge earth" and "dark  Tartarean pit"

Edited May 19, 2014 by EquineWhoDoesStuff

[Singe 2,111]

The lava would be a huge hassle as the heat would have cooked the three magic-less alicorn princesses.

 

Point of lava is meant for a place with endless pain and torture.

[Frith is Magick 1,471]

Considering all we really see is that one little corner, you can't really write off Tartarus as a whole. The section we see may be a small section reserved for threats such as Tirek or the princesses, with a more torturous, lava filled pit elsewhere that simply wasn't shown.

[Pastel 7,630]

Not disappointed at all, I loved it!
And we only saw a little part of Tartarus...

(For those who read One Piece, it reminds the 6th level of Impel Down, a very gloomy place, while the lava was only in the 4th level.)

 

Edited May 19, 2014 by Blobulle

[Digit 321]

There are many different adaptations of tartarus. I mean in Disney s Hercules is was a giant hole under the ocean with lighting prison bars holding the titans in. This actually was a fairly well done adaptation of it. And remember the lake of lava in greek mythology was the titan of earth. So if there are no Greek titans then there is probably not going to be a lava lake.

Edited May 19, 2014 by Digit

[Discordian 6,019]

Actually, according to Greek mythology Tartarus was pretty spot on. It's supposed to be a desolate gloomy prison, at least in the original myths. Later on it became more classically hell-like, but that's not the rendition of Tartarus used here. It's not supposed to be filled with fire and brimstone and such, it's a cold pit of infinite darkness.

 

Nothing has indicated this is an actual MLP equivalent to hell. Tartarus is supposed to be below hades, an abyss at the very bottom of the world. It's more like the actual early Greek Tartarus, where the powerful enemies of the gods were cast to be imprisoned away from the world. Later on especially wicked humans were also cast there for punishment, but the idea of it remained essentially the same.

I actually mentioned in another topic how if Tartarus exists that essentially makes Tirek a Titan and the Alicorns the Olympians. Funtiemz, no?

"dark  Tartarean pit"

Also, I like how Tartarean is a word. If you know it's origins it has a very dark and foreboding feel to it.

[Forlong 1,726]

That is the Very Important Ponies section where alicorn-level internees are kept.

 

The lava is for ponies who would be impressed by it.

 

Isolation is harder on immortals anyway.

An interesting point, to say the least.

 

Why would you expect an exact replica of it? It lacks creativity to just do a carbon copy of the original version of mythological creatures.

A fair point.  I would prefer if Tartarus had more detail.  It just doesn't look like it would induce a lot of torment.

 

I never expected it to have lava in it for some reason, but I think it looks fine how it is. 

Though I like the design, the idea seems a little farfetched to me. Nah. I wonder what else lies hidden in that place.

Where is this place anyway? Another dimension? Or is it just hidden in some remote cave in Equestria?

I'd say it was built into Mount Triglav through the battle between King Goldhorn and the Heliopath.  He then built his kingdom upon the mountain to act as the guard Tartarus.

 

That preview to my fanfic is free.

[Discordian 6,019]

A fair point.  I would prefer if Tartarus had more detail.  It just doesn't look like it would induce a lot of torment.

Not that you would be able to tell that from the few screenshots we got of it. We don't know what lies below those mountains or in the far-off distance.

 

Plus, as someone mentioned, solitude is harder on an immortal than most other things. It's the one thing they cannot escape from with their immortality.

[Jeric 46,880]

Agree that the MLP depiction is a good version. Tartarus and the Underworld weren't popularly depicted as having fire and fire pits. The Gods had much more devious and creative tortures. Dark and misty.

 

Also, fire and brimstone was not even part of the Judeo/Christian Hell and Sheol until centuries of revision and reinterpretation altered the view of Hell.

[Jangocoolguy 433]

Shot, that's close to how it's depicted in other fantasy/sci-fi works (usually pertaining to Greek myths).

It doesn't necessarily have to be all fire, lava and brimstone