Linds

Alright, in some places you're right (for example about Celestia non-knowing about Sombra coming back). You haven't told that Celestia is perfect, but when I can see that Luna made some bad things and she isn't clear, you can't accept that there is a place for theory that Celestia could be non-perfect sister. You're fighting those theory like with the fire. And that's making me sick - we, Luna fans have to deal with fact that our beloved princess isn't perfect, but for not only Solar's, Celestia is having an immunity. Firstly watch 1st season "Saint Seiya", last 3 episodes of it at least. Then we can talk later about it. Or no. Good and evil Saga were in one body, sometimes good was trying to defeat evil. But it couldn't win. So main character mixed his power with power of his friends and used a "Big Bang" attack to defeat Saga's evil - when it passed, there was only good guy. Do you see a similarity? Twilight mixing power with her friends, making a so strong attack to defeat Nightmare Moon and on her place we've got young? And what we're finding on her place isn't a monument or nothing, it's young, good Luna. Right, now I don't see any sense to make our conversation longer... but if you see, I will answer after some days (travel)

I'm thinking about go with clearing file and then starts again, now with Twilight. Really, the Applejack file is definitely TOO LONG and guy is boring sometimes. For 6 tries of listening the file, last 3 were failed, because I couldn't focus on his voice.

Aren't you even trying to read what I wrote in previous posts, right? I'm not writing that Luna made good. This is sure that she made bad. Just we can't say that's all only her fault. Once time you're writing like "Luna shouldn't sleep! Chrysalis was attacking and Luna was sleeping them, she's so baaaad!", now you're defending citizens of Equestria for doing the same. You aren't consistent. Also, the intro for the show says that all ponies were sleeping. Now let's see for example what is Twilight doing during night - of course, mainly she is sleeping, but sometimes she and her friends are coming out to look at the stars. But I guess you will still see no difference. Trolling? As mentioned before by me, in "Saint Seiya" Gemini Saga is occupied by his evil side and it wasn't like he wanted to be evil. Small piece of evil, which was in him, grew too big and started to control him. How it can be fitted for Luna? In 2 ways: - Luna just decided to raise the moon and then there is a magic transforming her into Nightmare Moon. From her eyes on the start of the change I guess, she wasn't expecting the transformation. - Evil could be seeded in her and grew up too much. Of course that's all are only theories. Celestia was horrified? Her later way to say words about lowering the moon show that she wasn't horrified. Even Twilight wasn't horrified, while she thought that's is coming in her times, not in the past. You just can't understand that Celestia could be a good ruler, maybe even perfect ruler, but she wasn't a perfect sister. So what? Celestia wasn't trying to stop Discord too. She just told to mane 6 to stop him. In case of the Crystal Empire we can see Celestia telling Luna that Twilight will save the Empire. Who knows, maybe there was a similar situation in Discord's case. "I can, even without the evidence. It could happened, just because I'm saying this!". In Sombra case you're right. Cadence was too tired. In Chrysalis case - I would like to notice that to the time of the wedding, Twilight was the only one pony, who knew that Chrysalis isn't real Cadance. Even her family couldn't notice her other behavior. Even so perfect, so smart Celestia. "That's only because of the wedding!". Such a great explanation... And of course, Luna too, but I would like to notice that Luna propably doesn't know Cadance as long as Celestia. You've pointed one interested thing too. Celestia and Luna were able to stop Sombra (I can understand they couldn't stop Discord, because they weren't controlling the Elements of the Harmony anymore like mane 6), so they could easily defeat him now. Princess of the Day's only explanation for sending Twilight was that Twilight was her student. Nothing more. Of course, she knew about the whole Twilight's destination, but still, it was too big risk. The guards tride to take down NMM. But where it's time to fight with the Changelings, we don't see them fighting with them. The only one ponies fighting with them are... mane 6! They could be useful and help them to get for the Elements of the Harmony, but they didn't. And explanation that Shining Armor wasn't in a good condition isn't a explanation too - every main person has got their vice-. Where he/she was then? Sorry for my non perfect English, it isn't my primary language. Read again what I was writing in previous posts. I don't see any sense in writing the same thing again.

Because it isn't all her fault. But Solarf... no, I won't write those word for joke, I will gain another ban... xP Celestia's fans used to tell it's only Luna's fault. But we have got shown that ponies were guilty of ignoring Luna's hard work. So we haven't got the only one guilty person. If you want to any evidence, even the weak one, for Celestia fault - in memory fragment Twilight was seeing, why Celestia didn't tried to speak with Luna before transformation? Of course it was to make the finish of the episode more cool, but ignoring that, Celestia was just standing and staring at her sister. She didn't said any word. There is a possibility she didn't know about what was happening. You've no evidence for Luna ignoring the danger. Specially, if she was looking after the castle during nights. You can't prove it was the only one choice for them. And I don't want to be bad or something, but it isn't good for the country, when the only one things securing the kingdom is Twilight and Elements of the Harmony and maybe Discord. And usually only they are in use. What's about the Princesses? What's about the guards and army? They're such a decorations? She asked if she had missed anything, but it's proving only that she had no idea about what was going on in the capital city. Not that she had a nap. A nap is the only theory. Specially when we doesn't see her looking like being after sleeping. She could be anywhere.

Scar was a very good actor, so it was hard to see his ambitions. And nobody tried to warn Mufasa about his brother. Discord have fooled mane 6. And notice, that he wasn't using Fluttershy. He likes her. Just when Tirek made him a good proposition, he decided to betray mane 6. And maybe he thought he would be able to stop Tirek on his own hand. We don't know anything about time before Luna changed into NM. So I can easily think that Celestia just ignored other behavior of her sister. Usually it's easy to notice when somebody is depressed or so sad. Specially, when we're talking about very young person, not about adult. But who knows, maybe Luna was a good actress too. But this is only an option. The second option is that Celestia could notice and couldn't help her. And I prefer this option, cause when you're in the spotlight, it's so easy to ignore when somebody close to you is depressed because of being in your shadow. I'm basing those theory on Saint Seiya universe, where there are usually a Gemini Saints twins. Saga & Kanon, Paradox & Integra, Defteros & Aspros... there always was a scheme (unfortunately, cause it's easy to imagine something other), where one of the twins was in the spotlight, was liked by everybody and second one was in the shadows of the first one, what was making him/her more and more evil. I know that's possible, I've experienced this in my life. So, as you see, we have no clues that is or isn't some of Celestia fault. But I think there is also some of her fault. We can't just say that's only Luna's fault of everything bad. Half year without night? Thank you, but no. I wouldn't pray my beloved Princess! :comeatus: South Canada. That would be good. There is cold, but not too much. Luna works during night, so she had to sleep during days. Try to not sleep for 24-48 hours. And I would like to see, that Celestia and Luna, if they would like, the were able to defeat Tirek on their own hooves. But Celestia decided to leave all for Twilight. In my opinion, she had to know TOO MUCH, because normal strategist wouldn't leave everything for still studying young person. There was too big risk. And we don't know what Luna was doing during war with Changelings. Of course, the most liked idea is she was sleeping. But for example she could fight in other place. Or she could make her work with night and dreams in other side of world. Dunno. And we will never know.

Right, my bad is that I wrote like "it's only her fault". Of course, Luna could better behave. But here we're talking about Celestia plus a lot of people are just taking what's in the show, without thinking a little. Of course, there is also a theory of Sombra or Discord making Luna jealous, but... to be honest I think, that's less real than theory about Celestia's fault.

I am not hating Princess Celestia... just I am not liking her. Why? Because she is like a typical mother. She will do what she thinks she should do, without thinking about another way. And everytime she is right. Only now there were a lot of ways to showing how much Celestia was suffering, because of her decision to sending Luna to the moon - look at season 4 and official comics. That's a little sad that now suddenly she is cleared from all her bad sides... Alright, let's continue this. In my opinion it's only Celestia's guilty of making Luna transforming into Nightmare Moon. In the show we have got only a fragment, where Luna decided to rebel. But we don't know what was earlier. And I think that Celestia was just a bad sister. Luna was coming jealous of gratitude from the citizens and depressed because of being ignored by ponies. If Celestia had notice all of this in time and made her best to help her sister, Princess of the Night would never transform into NM. Also I don't like Celestia, because of the day. There is so hot, so stuffy... CELESTIA GO AWAY, I want the cold night or at least the cold day ;_; Signed, The most loyable Princess Luna's subject in Poland. PS. Maybe Celestia is fatter and has got a better butt, but even this, I'm not going to betray my beloved Princess of the Night!

I don't care about it. It's a Hasbro show and they can do what they want to do. Fandom can't still shout "Do this... ! Don't do that... !". But if it had to be my choice, I would leave her in the show. Like she was in the 1st season - sometimes hidden somewhere, sometimes in slightly gags, without making a special scenes with her.

For me "Love & Tolerance" shouldn't exist, because this isn't a real motto of the show. The real motto is "Friendship is magic". I will tell you more - in the show we can find things proving that there are examples of intolerance. For me "L&T" is just a sentence created on 4chan just for trolling people, which was accidentaly taken as a main motto of the show and brony fandom. I don't know how does it looks in your places, but in Poland on the start there were people trying to accomodate the motto. But we've found that is impossible. Why? Firstly - people couldn't understand what is the real meaning of tolerance and there were stupid situations like "I don't like him, he's making me nervous, but I will just sit silencely. I can't tell him/her anything, because it would be intolerant". NO. The show is teaching us that one of the most important parts of friendship is HONESTY. A true friend should tell us if there is something wrong. Secondly - in the society there are unacceptable behaviors. And people behaving like that cannot be tolerated. Example: Once upon a time there was a one 19-years-old guy appearing to Warsaw Ponymeets. On the first time, he was just too loud about yaoi and porn in public place. A little more and our group would have a problems with the menager of the KFC we were sitting then. Later those guy came back his home, apologized on the forum. Ok, so he gained another chance. What has he did? He haven't been only so loudly - he was offending one pegasis without a reasons, with more vulgar name for prostitute*... But ok, he later came back home, apologized, gained another chance. Third chance. Last chance. Then he did the worst thing. During ponymeet he suddenly tried to take a pocket knife from one pegasister, who was examinating this. Thanks to him, the girl had a cutted arm in one place. Some seconds later he decided to shoot it through the room in the KFC - thanks to that at least 4 people was close to have a new "souvenirs" in their face. Then the cup of bitterness have overflowed. The guy was banned from ponymeets in Warsaw. He tried anything to make us wanting to invite him back. Starting from apologizes, coming through blackmailing and trying to tell us his behavior was just a trolling or effects of sitting with otaku (sorry, but in Poland otaku aren't making such problems!), using face-accounts to defend himself, finishing on coming to every other local fandoms in Poland (for example Facebook group "Bronies Polska") asking for help, because "Very bad Warsaw doesn't want to allow him to come to their meetups!". He didn't explained the reasons of his permban. So I had to be the one, who did it and now, those guy is hated not only among Varsovian otaku, but between most Polish bronies too. In my opinion, ponies are for everybody, but the fandom isn't for everybody. If there is person forming a danger in the group of people, who only want to spend time with friends, those person should be deleted from the group - forming a danger CANNOT be tolerated. * Dear mods, I'm not perfect in English and I don't know your culture perfect. If those word is too hard, just please, correct me. I don't want to offend anybody.

I've tried Applejack file and it's really working. Only one thing - for me those file is TOO long. There are too much talking about character, apples, but TF part is coming so fast. It's working, but after TF it's hard sometimes to keep myself in relax to the end of file.

How does those training look? Thinking about seeing this?

I think there must be Luna file. In fandom we have got many fans of Princess Luna, so it's hard to believe there is no one file at least. Btw how is with those hypnosis? It is just the feeling of being a pony or maybe there are some visual effects too? For example you look into mirror and you don't see yourself, but a pony.

I'm going to try this, but I have a problems with choosing the pony I would like to try to be... I'm thinking between AJ and Luna.