Could Rarity ever become as powerful as Twilight Sparkle?

[Nulln 755]

To be fair, unicorn/alicorn status has nothing to do with it. Cadence was an absolute weakling compared to Twilight Sparkle, just a unicorn, Shining Armor's shields are apparently stronger than Celestia or Luna's, and Twilight didn't note any power increases upon alicornhood

Didn't Cadence start off as a pegasus though?  So she wouldn't have had as much experience as Twilight with magic.  

And they discussed in the finale the strength of alicorn magic, so I'm sure she did have a power increase.  She was just having more trouble learning to fly then learning to control the magic.

[Dattebayo 2,850]

Forgive me if I offend, but this is an extremely entertaining topic.

 

I'd just like to add that in the original post, Rarity Paige Belle asked if Rarity dropped everything and started training hard could she become as powerful as Twilight, not whether or not she is as powerful right now.

 

I suppose you could argue about "potential" for power, but I do think Rarity could become more powerful than she is now, but Twilight has been studying since she was a foal so I don't see how Rarity could ever dream of being as good at magic as Twilight is. So frankly, no, I don't think Rarity could ever be as powerful as Twilight. Could she maybe learn some magic that Twilight hasn't really tried before? Sure, but I don't think she could match raw magic potential or the knowledge that Twilight has.

Again, Twilight's special talent IS magic, and she is also now an Alicorn.

She might be able to be a bada$$ at magic if she drops everything and traisn hard, but never be as powerful as a God_Princess of Everything who's studied magic since childhood.

 

Though I don't think that's being debated here

Edited June 12, 2014 by Dattebayo

[Hive King 2,001]

@@ghostfacekiller39,

No, even in the beginning, the Ursa incident proves Twilight to be more skilled

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Which, is pretty much what I said in my original post -_- If Rarity trained hard, her control would be able to equal or possibly even surpass Twilight's, I believe, but she'd never match in terms of sheer power

 

Yes, I suppose that is similar to what I meant.

 

One could argue about magical finesse I suppose and say that Rarity has finer control, but I think if we're looking at it in an "overall" type of deal, Twilight just knows more about magic and would be able to blast right through finesse with knowledge of more spells and stronger magic.

 

Besides, Rarity is a fashionista, if she was to get better at magic, no doubt she'd do something related to that, like making living dresses that can move by themselves and put themselves on you instead of you having to them on yourself.

 

Again, Twilight's special talent IS magic, and she is also now an Alicorn.

She might be able to be a bada$$ at magic if she drops everything and traisn hard, but never be as powerful as a God_Princess of Everything who's studied magic since childhood.

 

Though I don't think that's being debated here

 

I agree with this. My post overall was saying that Rarity couldn't ever reach Twilight's level of overall magic prowess even if she tried, especially since it's Twilight's special talent and she has a good decade or more on Rarity in magical study time.

[Hive King 2,001]

Didn't Cadence start off as a pegasus though?  So she wouldn't have had as much experience as Twilight with magic.  

And they discussed in the finale the strength of alicorn magic, so I'm sure she did have a power increase.  She was just having more trouble learning to fly then learning to control the magic.

Alicorn magic is only a big deal because of the fact that the only alicorns that exist are indeed above average, but it's not an insurmountable gap. 

 

Highest Level Unicorns(Mentioned in Magic Duel)>Twilight(Season 3)>>>>>>>>>>>Cadence

 

Certain unicorns are indeed huge badasses that can do stuff like that, Twilight among them and likely Starswirl the Bearded

 

Since Twilight never stops training though, I don't doubt she surpassed them

[ghostfacekiller39 23,860]

@@ghostfacekiller39,

No, even in the beginning, the Ursa incident proves Twilight to be more skilled

The OP specifically states that if she dropped all of the fashion business and trained in magic. While I honestly feel the Ursa incident is a bit subjective since power plays a much larger role in that and I never once said Twilight ever lacked in control in any way, shape, or form, my whole point is that Rarity could equal or *possibly* surpass Twilight in terms of precision when it comes down to dropping everything and training like Twilight did throughout the first 3 seasons. In terms of power, she'd never stand a chance. 

Edited June 12, 2014 by ghostfacekiller39

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Trained non-stop? Hmm perhaps..but remember she will need to become a alicorn before anyone even considers her a threat to twilight because as far as the fandom is concerned alicorn=unbeatable...Unless the plot demands it 

 

 

 

Plot over power my friends..plot.over.power.

 

So hey if the plot demanded Rarity to be great and powerful like Twilight then HUZZAH it shall be!!

[Hive King 2,001]

@@ghostfacekiller39,

Oh, in precision? That's something trainable, she can definitely do that

 

Trained non-stop? Hmm perhaps..but remember she will need to become a alicorn before anyone even considers her a threat to twilight because as far as the fandom is concerned alicorn=unbeatable...Unless the plot demands it 

 

 

 

Plot over power my friends..plot.over.power.

 

So hey if the plot demanded Rarity to be great and powerful like Twilight then HUZZAH it shall be!!

Cadence, Sombra, Twilight, and Starswirl the Bearded disagree on your "alicorn>unicorn" statement

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I find myself actually amused by arguments, and rarity arguments because ghostie always makes a nice point

I must say though about control and power, twilight has gotten rarity beaten there, even be for she became an Alicorn twilight was very powerful, and has demonstrated that in many episodes, along with her ability to concentrate and control things easily. She's gotten a lot more better at controlling her magic and using it, she did train for quite a while too on magic. Rarity has shown she does hold power and concentration, but twilight beats her magic wise. Dress making however...

Rarity could easily train to become more powerful, more controlling, etc, but as for now it don't see her beating twilight. Yes she does show she holds a decent amount of magic and control, Twilight beats her here.

Edited June 12, 2014 by TwilightSparkle<3

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

The OP specifically states that if she dropped all of the fashion business and trained in magic. While I honestly feel the Ursa incident is a bit subjective since power plays a much larger role in that and I never once said Twilight ever lacked in control in any way, shape, or form, my whole point is that Rarity could equal or *possibly* surpass Twilight in terms of precision when it comes down to dropping everything and training like Twilight did throughout the first 3 seasons. In terms of power, she'd never stand a chance. 

He is disputing your claim that she could come close in terms of precision, as that is why he was bringing up the example of how Twilight handled the Ursa Minor. It involved a great deal of finesse and control, and at a far larger scale than your example of Rarity showed. His entire point seems to be that Twilight already has control and finesse with manipulating objects via magic on a scale and precision greater than Rarity at this point.

 

But then again, I thought the whole idea was pretty silly, without fashion Rarity looses like half her reason for existing.

[ghostfacekiller39 23,860]

He is disputing your claim that she could come close in terms of precision, as that is why he was bringing up the example of how Twilight handled the Ursa Minor. It involved a great deal of finesse and control, and at a far larger scale than your example of Rarity showed. His entire point seems to be that Twilight already has control and finesse with manipulating objects via magic on a scale and precision greater than Rarity at this point.

 

But then again, I thought the whole idea was pretty silly, without fashion Rarity looses like half her reason for existing.

I explained that, and it's all good in the neighborhood now

 

 

 

@@ghostfacekiller39,

Oh, in precision? That's something trainable, she can definitely do that

 

 

And I agree about the fashion thing  I'd much rather have Rarity be a fashionista than a sorceress or whatever any day, personally

Edited June 12, 2014 by ghostfacekiller39

[Hive King 2,001]

Let's put it this way, Rarity is Krillin, Twilight is Goku

 

Rarity/Krillin will never match Goku/Twilight, but skill wise, they can certainly match them

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@@ghostfacekiller39,

Oh, in precision? That's something trainable, she can definitely do that

 

Cadence, Sombra, Twilight, and Starswirl the Bearded disagree on your "alicorn>unicorn" statement

 

Im glad they do! I just wish some of the fandom would accept that alicorn doesn't=God(insta-win) and possibly unicorn can=alicorn(or perhaps surpass it) in terms of raw magical power. Tho in the end its be all up to the plot.

[Hive King 2,001]

Im glad they do! I just wish some of the fandom would accept that alicorn doesn't=God(insta-win) and possibly unicorn can=alicorn(or perhaps surpass it) in terms of raw magical power. Tho in the end its be all up to the plot.

Alicorns have greater potential, but unless they train that potential, powerful unicorns can easily surpass them

[Carbon Maestro 1,003]

I find myself amused at this post, not because of your optimism, but the fact that anyone could think that Rarity could surpass the level of magic that the element of Magic possesses.

 

She'd have a lot of catching up to do since Twilight's been studying since being a foal, and that is a lifetime of experience.

[Celli 4,338]

First of all, Twilight is basically the equivalent of a highly powerful mage, and she is more than likely potentially more powerful than even Celestia.

Secondly, I can almost 100% guarantee Rarity would NEVER have any interest in becoming an all powerful unicorn-mage or even alicorn, as she has show in multiple situations that she has no interest in fighting. 

And thirdly, the fact that Twilight's talent IS magic, i doubt if Twilight merely became a mage-princess and stayed a unicorn, I still don't think Rarity could surpass her if she tried.

As for the scene in Art of the Dress, I'm pretty sure that's just part of the choreography in the song, NOT Rarity's actual magical prowess.

Edited June 12, 2014 by Scoutmaster91

[Pastel 7,630]

EDIT: Why are there 2 topics?

Edited June 12, 2014 by Blobulle

[Everleaf 541]

Not really she just does not fit to be that way.

[Silver Letter 1,832]

Not at all. She doesn't even have unique magic and Twilight can easily copy any spell she can do. As Twilight is the Element of Magic, she is best suited at dominating its strength.

[Pastel 7,630]

We should merge the 2 topics.

 

 

I guess so. If she really works hard and with a lot of time and practice, she may be able to reach Twilight's current level.

But she'll obviously never do that. She has other things to do.

 

Twilight has mentioned before that there are "different/higher level unicorns" and obviously no unicorn is born with power,

When did she say that?

[SCS 7,537]

Yo, @Rarity Paige Belle. It looks like you accidentally posted this topic twice, so I merged the other one into this one, and hid your original post from the other one.

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(EDIT: Please ignore this.)

Edited June 12, 2014 by A.V.

[Hive King 2,001]

We should merge the 2 topics.

 

 

I guess so. If she really works hard and with a lot of time and practice, she may be able to reach Twilight's current level.

But she'll obviously never do that. She has other things to do.

 

When did she say that?

Magic Duel

"An age spell? But that's only for the highest level unicorns"

"Trixie IS the highest level unicorn!"

Edited June 12, 2014 by Evil Dragon Master

[Pastel 7,630]

Twilight = power, but Rarity = control.

Exactly, as seen in Twilight's Kingdom, she has a huge power but she doesn't control it very well.

She still has some progress to make. :okiedokielokie:

 

Magic Duel

"An age spell? But that's only for the highest level unicorns"

"Trixie IS the highest level unicorn!"

Thanks! Edited June 12, 2014 by Blobulle

[Castle Bleck 19,375]

Magic Duel

"An age spell? But that's only for the highest level unicorns"

"Trixie IS the highest level unicorn!"

 

Speaking of which:

 

 

I spoiled myself on The Journal Of The Two Sisters, and it seems Star Swirl used said spell to Fountain-Of-Youth himself.

 

Edited June 12, 2014 by A.V.