Comparing Twilight and Goku

[user1342342 143]

Looking back at Dragonball, one of my all time favorites, I can't help but compare these two characters. Goku to me represents justice, ambition, and self-improvement. He's worked his whole life training, going out and seeking to learn from others. He has proven himself on multiple occasions, and has earned every bit of respect and power that he has. The world didn't treat him like gold just because he was Goku.

 

I've seen plenty of people describe Twilight this way, but I think this is inaccurate. How much do we see Twilight actually working or training her magic? Not very much at all. You can't learn everything just by reading, that's dumb. She claims to have worked hard, but the show clearly lets us know that most of her abilities come from "special".

To me, Twilight hasn't earned the fantastically amazing life she has, it seems like the universe has everything in her favor. I can't stand these characters. Watching people work hard irl and see them get nowhere, and then watching Twilight do the opposite.

[cider float 2,539]

Goku is special as well. He's not an earthling but a super saiyan ans son of a powerful saiyan. Saying that Goku is a hard worker is right but he's not relatable.

Edited August 21, 2015 by cider float

[user1342342 143]

Goku is special as well. He's not an earthling but a super saiyan ans son of a powerful saiyan. Saying that Goku is a hard worker is right but he's not relatable.

 

Sure, but he still worked very hard and received special help. Even with all of that his brother came down to Earth and crushed him proving Goku isn't all that special. If I recall correctly, Goku was actually born a weak sayian and the whole point of his character is to show that hard work and the drive for success pays off.

Edited August 21, 2015 by 1CJB

[Sidral Mundet 1,666]

People compare Goku to Twilight for two reasons, A) they're both super powerful, outclass everyone around them in terms of power and are usually the one who save the day and B ) they're the main characters and are written to be more universally accepted (ie can suffer from protagonist syndrome where the other characters can be more unique) Outside that Twilight and Goku aren't really comparable, at least to me.

 

Gohan and Fluttershy, on the other hand, is a whole other story. 

[Radiobolt 186]

Goku was also born into the power, sort of like Twi. Yes, he trained a lot, but really, being a good, non-evil Saipan, and having a powerful father.. I believe that really helped him become stronger than all of this opponents.

He doesn't have as much pride as Vegeta, so it makes it easier to admit that some are better than him, and such.

They are slightly relatable, but I kind of agree, it's a long shot to say they're really the same character.

(Though that season 4 ending Alicorn Kamehameha tho)

[user1342342 143]

People compare Goku to Twilight for two reasons, A) they're both super powerful, outclass everyone around them in terms of power and are usually the one who save the day and B ) they're the main characters and are written to be more universally accepted (ie can suffer from protagonist syndrome where the other characters can be more unique) Outside that Twilight and Goku aren't really comparable, at least to me.

 

Gohan and Fluttershy, on the other hand, is a whole other story. 

 

The key difference is that Goku pushed himself and learned from others, constantly improving. His powers and abilities make sense, where as Twilight seems to have nearly limitless crazy powers the writers can just pull out of her. It doesn't help when the show tries to tell us that Twilight worked so hard to achieve her status.

 

Goku was also born into the power, sort of like Twi. Yes, he trained a lot, but really, being a good, non-evil Saipan, and having a powerful father.. I believe that really helped him become stronger than all of this opponents.

He doesn't have as much pride as Vegeta, so it makes it easier to admit that some are better than him, and such.

They are slightly relatable, but I kind of agree, it's a long shot to say they're really the same character.

(Though that season 4 ending Alicorn Kamehameha tho)

 

I'm sure that Goku was actually born with very little power, the series made that clear showing his dad remark at how weak he was, and the fact that his brother roflstomps him even after all of his special training. 

[Radiobolt 186]

The key difference is that Goku pushed himself and learned from others, constantly improving. His powers and abilities make sense, where as Twilight seems to have nearly limitless crazy powers the writers can just pull out of her. It doesn't help when the show tries to tell us that Twilight worked so hard to achieve her status.

 

 

 

I'm sure that Goku was actually born with very little power, the series made that clear showing his dad remark at how weak he was, and the fact that his brother roflstomps him even after all of his special training.

 

Good point. He was born with a Power level of 2. ^^

(Somehow I remembered that, don't ask)

[Sidral Mundet 1,666]

The key difference is that Goku pushed himself and learned from others, constantly improving. His powers and abilities make sense, where as Twilight seems to have nearly limitless crazy powers the writers can just pull out of her. It doesn't help when the show tries to tell us that Twilight worked so hard to achieve her status.

 

 

I'm sure that Goku was actually born with very little power, the series made that clear showing his dad remark at how weak he was, and the fact that his brother roflstomps him even after all of his special training. 

True I wasn't denying that, it's just a lot of people make the comparison based off of their powers and main character status rather than their character traits which I think are vastly different.  

[Unlikeable Pony 2,700]

If you're going to compare a character to Goku in personality and actions, Dash is more of an example, given that her goal in life is constantly improve and push herself to be the best; at the same time, Goku was capable of sitting back and lazing about, which Dash is too.


Twilight and Goku are NOWHERE near each other in personality or in character. the only reason they're compared is more that Twilight has gone from simply being a central character to overshadowing everyone else around her in the same way Goku did, to the point that pretty much if you're not Goku you didn't matter in a fight.

[user1342342 143]

If you're going to compare a character to Goku in personality and actions, Dash is more of an example, given that her goal in life is constantly improve and push herself to be the best; at the same time, Goku was capable of sitting back and lazing about, which Dash is too.

 

 

Twilight and Goku are NOWHERE near each other in personality or in character. the only reason they're compared is more that Twilight has gone from simply being a central character to overshadowing everyone else around her in the same way Goku did, to the point that pretty much if you're not Goku you didn't matter in a fight.

 

Dash is too arrogant and I can't picture her being as humble or as willing to learn from others like Goku. 

 

DBZ was about going further and establishing new characters, some of the others got left behind. They had their chance to shine plenty of times, the series was always about Goku's story. I don't think it managed to be that obnoxious about it.

[cider float 2,539]

Krillin is a human and is more admirable to stand against aliens. Goku to me is still just another Superman.

[Mesme Rize 15,692]

Are we seriously comparing a character from a western animated Slice of Life show, to a character from an eastern animated action show?

 

That's like comparing Bruce Lee to Lessie.

[Sunny Shimmer 259]

The thing about Goku that we didn't get with Twilight. You actually see him push himself to make himself stronger and he is constantly working at it. Where as Twilight studied a little bit here and there but she was mostly handed her powers, which isn't bad but leaves less of an impact. But these two characters came from different sides of the world so there are understandably going to be differences.

[Shanks 10,816]

Twilight has trained for years much like Goku, granted we don't see it as much but much of that is due to the different focuses of the shows they are in. MLP is mostly a slice of life show with some action/adventure themed episodes thrown in while all versions of Dragon Ball are pretty much the opposite so of course we are going to see multiple examples of Goku training because the story calls for it while with Twilight the story does call for it to show some training but not as much so most of the training she went through can be implied (as it has been) as opposed to actually shown.

 

Granted there are a few things she has learned a tad more quickly than is generally believable in season 3 and there hasn't been too much explanation yet on how much of a power boost she got after her ascension but aside from that it generally implies that though she had considerable natural talent from a young age that she worked hard for years to properly nurture that talent.

 

 

Goku is special as well. He's not an earthling but a super saiyan ans son of a powerful saiyan. Saying that Goku is a hard worker is right but he's not relatable.

I would disagree that Goku isn't relatable, Goku is the the unofficial anime Superman (even his origin story sounds a lot like Superman's) but you see a lot of his human side throughout Dragon Ball/Z/GT. Nearly everyone else wanted to kill Vegeta after their first battle with him and Krillan had the chance to do it yet Goku convinced him not to do it. It is true that Goku's rule about lethal force isn't as strict as Superman's but it demonstrates a strong level of humanity. We also see him as a loving father and family man though there are several cases where he gets separated from them for prolonged periods of time. We also see that while he isn't stupid per se he isn't the most educated character either and even as an adult has this sort of child like innocence to him.

[Sunny Shimmer 259]

Yeah I guess you don't have to set limits on Twilight's power since it is slice of life. Although if you remember back during the end of season 4.

She was having trouble controlling the power of 4 alicorns 

So she hasn't reached limitless power.

[Dark Horse 12,970]

Ive seen so many forums which have these "X compared to Goku" threads. What is it with people's obsession with that character? It's Dragonball I know, it's at the Everest peak of popularity, but why the need to compare so much? Besides, Goku seems to have been specifically designed to wipe the floor with anyone else, he's like the Superman of the Anime world.

[GuyNamedEarl 1,332]

They are pretty much the same character,they are both OP as fuck

[user1342342 143]

 

 

Goku seems to have been specifically designed to wipe the floor with anyone else

 

 

Goku has met his match plenty of times, he's far from being without limits unlike Superman. At least Goku has a good reason to be powerful instead of the writers just pulling it out of their ass.

 

 

Twilight has trained for years much like Goku, granted we don't see it as much but much of that is due to the different focuses of the shows they are in. MLP is mostly a slice of life show with some action/adventure themed episodes thrown in while all versions of Dragon Ball are pretty much the opposite so of course we are going to see multiple examples of Goku training because the story calls for it while with Twilight the story does call for it to show some training but not as much so most of the training she went through can be implied (as it has been) as opposed to actually shown.   Granted there are a few things she has learned a tad more quickly than is generally believable in season 3 and there hasn't been too much explanation yet on how much of a power boost she got after her ascension but aside from that it generally implies that though she had considerable natural talent from a young age that she worked hard for years to properly nurture that talent.

 

 

I just find her "talent" to be dumb, there's no reason a pony should be that powerful by default. She pretty much renders every unicorn useless by comparison, we only see Twilight doing the important magic stuff. 

[Shanks 10,816]

I just find her "talent" to be dumb, there's no reason a pony should be that powerful by default. She pretty much renders every unicorn useless by comparison, we only see Twilight doing the important magic stuff. 

That is not entirely true, Twilight is far more powerful than your average unicorn but so was Sunset Shimmer who was at the time arguably even more powerful than Twilight making it entirely possible for there to be other unicorns out there that are just as powerful or perhaps even more powerful. With that said though it is fair to say that Twilight as it stands is the most powerful of the mane 6 though as we have seen with the season 4 finale Twilight does still need the others to pull off moves like the Rainbow of Light.

[user1342342 143]

That is not entirely true, Twilight is far more powerful than your average unicorn but so was Sunset Shimmer who was at the time arguably even more powerful than Twilight making it entirely possible for there to be other unicorns out there that are just as powerful or perhaps even more powerful. With that said though it is fair to say that Twilight as it stands is the most powerful of the mane 6 though as we have seen with the season 4 finale Twilight does still need the others to pull off moves like the Rainbow of Light.

 

Sunset Shimmer isn't even on the show, and I seriously doubt she is more powerful considering how Twi displayed Frieza level telekinesis. She lifted a giant bear a thousand times her size along with some other huge things. That's beyond stupid for the capabilities of a pony, even more so when she apparently worked hard to be at that level when all she does is read. 

Edited August 21, 2015 by 1CJB