Is Twilight Sparkle now eternal?

[Chronamut 355]

yes but it's already been established that alicorns can simply stop aging whenever they want, or that their loss of power can actually MAKE them younger, as happened with luna, and then she aged more as she got more power.. kinda like spike does when he hoards more gems.

 

Age seems to be a very bendable thing in the series.

[Lucky Shot 232]

See, the reason that we have this question is because, I'm sorry to be mean but, the show staff are inexperienced and not particularly competent at maintaining a solid, indepth lore and complex world.

 

Faust and Renzetti, both of whom have ample experience but neither of whom still work on the show, established concepts that the remaining team has been doing their damnedest to change as much as possible for reasons I can't fathom. This has created, basically, a bunch of illogical bullcrap to the point it could be considered a continuity error.

 

Faust had originally intended to have two "alicorn" princesses. Two and no more. Only Celestia and Luna. The only reason she designed them as such is because they symbolize the union of all three races (meaning they are also earth ponies.)

 

But immediately after Faust left the team midway through season 2, Hasbro and the writers started changing everything she'd given them that hadn't aired yet. One of the first casualties was Cadance. Faust had designed her as a unicorn, and they gave her wings, but not any form of immortality.

 

See the problem? The "alicorns" that Faust created aren't the same alicorns that were added thereafter and now there's a needless double standard in the lore that needs to be patched roughly together by Archie Sonic-worthy excuses and convoluted rationales.

[Chronamut 355]

haha when EVERYTHING is canon.. NOTHING is canon..

[Foliha 395]

C. The other 5 will become alicorn princesses too.

 

Poor Applejack! I bet she'd hate being a princess.  (Big Macintosh, on the other hand...)

[Chronamut 355]

Poor Applejack! I bet she'd hate being a princess.  (Big Macintosh, on the other hand...)

big mac is a pretty pretty princess.

[Freewave 1,145]

McCarthy said Twilight would not outlive her friends. This leaves a couple options.

 

A. "It's never going to come up in the show, stop bothering me, go away". She doesn't worry about that because the show will never reach a point where they have to answer that question or deal with it, and as she doesn't really have a plan for weather or not twilight is immortal is more or less brushing the question aside.

 

B. Only Natural born alicorns are immortal and Twilight, as an artificial alicorn, is mortal.

 

C. The other 5 will become alicorn princesses too.

 

D. The other five are bound to twilight's life force in some way so that even if they aren't alicorns they're immortal too.

 

E. twilight dies in an epic battle.

 

 

 

Personally, I'm thinking A. myself. I don't think They, the staff, have a hard and fast book for alicorns so if its not important they'll just give a vague answer and move on.

Past that, option B seems the most likely as a second.

 

It's most likely A. As has been pointed out hopefully before they won't be around to show Twilight die of old age. It's not that kind of a show where they've even addressed aging, death, or likely ever will. All those who are arguing against the shared immortality of her friends are ignoring the most obvious answer of A. 

 

And in case anyone was wondering the concept of her outliving her friends is called the "immortality blues". There's a fair amount of fimfiction and fan art about that concept already. 

 

 

Case in point ^ 

[J-Rusty 57]

See, the reason that we have this question is because, I'm sorry to be mean but, the show staff are inexperienced and not particularly competent at maintaining a solid, indepth lore and complex world.

 

Faust and Renzetti, both of whom have ample experience but neither of whom still work on the show, established concepts that the remaining team has been doing their damnedest to change as much as possible for reasons I can't fathom. This has created, basically, a bunch of illogical bullcrap to the point it could be considered a continuity error.

 

Faust had originally intended to have two "alicorn" princesses. Two and no more. Only Celestia and Luna. The only reason she designed them as such is because they symbolize the union of all three races (meaning they are also earth ponies.)

 

But immediately after Faust left the team midway through season 2, Hasbro and the writers started changing everything she'd given them that hadn't aired yet. One of the first casualties was Cadance. Faust had designed her as a unicorn, and they gave her wings, but not any form of immortality.

 

See the problem? The "alicorns" that Faust created aren't the same alicorns that were added thereafter and now there's a needless double standard in the lore that needs to be patched roughly together by Archie Sonic-worthy excuses and convoluted rationales.

I just wanted to say "This!," before completely looking past it and continuing on to some illogical thoughts with no apparent connection to the real world:

 

Well, it could possibly be linked to the elements of harmony: The show has made it somewhat un-muddy that - while still being "ordinary" ponies - there is ceirtainly something magical about the mane 6, and they are interconnected with each other through some sort of life-ruling magic that goes beyond the power of even Celestia, Luna and Discord. It wouldn't be completely ludicrous to assume that it will give them some sort of magical connection to the world and each other, right? This could mean that they will live as long as the elements exists, and grow older through the "power/maturity == age" theory somepony said earlier, or that there will come new ponies to represent the elements when our ponies dies...

The Cadance thing though... I think maybe she'll have to outlive shining... I'm sure Celestia has outlived many ponies in her days, and that is something an alicorn must go through, I think.

 

Gah, My mind is getting foggy... I should go look at some MLP - you know: like going to a really dark room makes you see better in a badly lit room?

Yeah, I don't know...

[Chronamut 355]

well she certainly outlived starswirl the bearded.

[Unlikeable Pony 2,700]

See, the reason that we have this question is because, I'm sorry to be mean but, the show staff are inexperienced and not particularly competent at maintaining a solid, indepth lore and complex world.

 

Faust and Renzetti, both of whom have ample experience but neither of whom still work on the show, established concepts that the remaining team has been doing their damnedest to change as much as possible for reasons I can't fathom. This has created, basically, a bunch of illogical bullcrap to the point it could be considered a continuity error.

 

Faust had originally intended to have two "alicorn" princesses. Two and no more. Only Celestia and Luna. The only reason she designed them as such is because they symbolize the union of all three races (meaning they are also earth ponies.)

 

But immediately after Faust left the team midway through season 2, Hasbro and the writers started changing everything she'd given them that hadn't aired yet. One of the first casualties was Cadance. Faust had designed her as a unicorn, and they gave her wings, but not any form of immortality.

 

See the problem? The "alicorns" that Faust created aren't the same alicorns that were added thereafter and now there's a needless double standard in the lore that needs to be patched roughly together by Archie Sonic-worthy excuses and convoluted rationales.

 

The reason is pretty obvious for why they're changing Faust's lore

its not that hard really; Faust was really dedicated to her mental vision of things, the current staff is much much more willing to let hasbro dictate things. Hence Cadence was made an alicorn (Faust's sketch and design for cadence was just a unicorn) because Hasbro wanted alicorn princesses.When hasbro asks for things, like humans for example, the team will obey.

 

 

Poor Applejack! I bet she'd hate being a princess.  (Big Macintosh, on the other hand...)

Heh. I think they could finangle a way to make it work; probably have her spend her time telling others not to treat her any differently and getting exasperated when they do XD

Honestly, being a princess might as well be an honorary thing than a government title when you look at how all Luna does is watch over dreams and raise the moon instead of actually ruling, which isn't too different from the mane six just handling friendship problems and monsters.

[Chronamut 355]

except princess cadence actually DOES seem to have a government title.

[Unlikeable Pony 2,700]

except princess cadence actually DOES seem to have a government title.

Cadence yes, but Luna and Twilight don't really do much as far as rulership goes apart from diplomacy.

[Chronamut 355]

Cadence yes, but Luna and Twilight don't really do much as far as rulership goes apart from diplomacy.

 

ohhh I don't know about thaaaat

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4f9m4OYkCY

[silvadel 1,394]

I still do not understand the problem with living on.  You might have a mid-life crisis as it were, but once you have 5 or 6 hundred years under your belt, you acquire the immortal mindset.

[Chronamut 355]

you can always go on vacation - I hear the moon is a particularly hot spot for immortals

[Justin_Case001 4,939]

It was pretty much confirmed in the Sisters' journal that natural born alicorns, and only natural born alicorns, have a longer lifespan.  I'm pretty sure that they are not immortal, they just live for an indeterminate amount of time, many thousands of years.

[Unlikeable Pony 2,700]

and only natural born alicorns, have a longer lifespan.  .

I don't remember the topic of artificial alicorns ever coming up in the journal :/

[Justin_Case001 4,939]

I don't remember the topic of artificial alicorns ever coming up in the journal :/

Oh yes, synthetics is the technical term, but I believe they prefer the term "artificial alicorns".  That's the politically correct term.  Just make sure you don't promote one of the old synthetic models to princess--the old models are a bit glitchy.

[ManaMinori 4,149]

The only time immortality has been brought up in any kind of MLP canon, was in the Daring Do and the Eternal Flowr book, which mentions a flower that gives immorality. We have no idea if Alicorns are immortal or not. I assume not, since longer lifespans don't necessarily equal immortality. There's really nothing that alicorns represent or do that makes them "immortal dieties". They're merely a combo of the three tribes, which, as the Journal of the Two sisters mentioned, just stood for friendship and harmony, which is why they made the alicorns leaders over them.

 

Raising the sun and moon wouldn't make them immortal, because according to the journal, unicorns were doing it first . However, what we do know about that is also from the journal, where they realize raising the celestial bodies rejuvinate alicorn magic, rather than depleting it, as it did with the unicorns. But magic isn't tied to their lifespans.

[Marimo 555]

Well there was also that alicorn from the love poison story. The stallion she fell in love with was either a pegasus or an earth pony. All of the alicorns but Celestia and Luna were gone by the time the tribes starting moving to Equestria, plus if this was an alicorn kingdom then the other alicorns should've surely taken care of the dragon even if the princess was preoccupied, so another alicorn may have been around after Celestia and Luna took over but is gone now. This alicorn may have likely been another ascended one, rather than being naturally born.

 

Now the question is, what happened to her. The dragon killing her is one obvious answer, but not only is outright and successful murder of someone not evil unlikely to happen in this series, dragons seem to care more for just the gems. It'd probably cause a lot of collateral if it went after the kingdom's treasury, but dragons aren't known to eat ponies, and would only attack if after getting the kingdom's hoard someone tried to take back the hoard or anger it somehow. The love poison should have kept the prince and princess preoccupied with each other, so they should've been out of the picture. So if not killed by a dragon, then the alicorn princess must have eventually died of natural causes while the kingdom fell into ruin, and an ascended alicorn doing that would indicate the same would happen to Twilight and Cadance.

[Unlikeable Pony 2,700]

Well there was also that alicorn from the love poison story. The stallion she fell in love with was either a pegasus or an earth pony. All of the alicorns but Celestia and Luna were gone by the time the tribes starting moving to Equestria, plus if this was an alicorn kingdom then the other alicorns should've surely taken care of the dragon even if the princess was preoccupied, so another alicorn may have been around after Celestia and Luna took over but is gone now. This alicorn may have likely been another ascended one, rather than being naturally born.

 

Now the question is, what happened to her. The dragon killing her is one obvious answer, but not only is outright and successful murder of someone not evil unlikely to happen in this series, dragons seem to care more for just the gems. It'd probably cause a lot of collateral if it went after the kingdom's treasury, but dragons aren't known to eat ponies, and would only attack if after getting the kingdom's hoard someone tried to take back the hoard or anger it somehow. The love poison should have kept the prince and princess preoccupied with each other, so they should've been out of the picture. So if not killed by a dragon, then the alicorn princess must have eventually died of natural causes while the kingdom fell into ruin, and an ascended alicorn doing that would indicate the same would happen to Twilight and Cadance.

 

Its possible that the alicorn in the love potion book was a legend though, as the Ponies had knowledge of alicorns before meeting Celestia (since starswirl said they represented harmony, ect.). So the story about the princess in that book could have predated equestria.

[Marimo 555]

Its possible that the alicorn in the love potion book was a legend though, as the Ponies had knowledge of alicorns before meeting Celestia (since starswirl said they represented harmony, ect.). So the story about the princess in that book could have predated equestria.

Nothing from the book suggests it was a legend. It seemed like it was giving an actual history about where the love poison came from.

[Chronamut 355]

so is luna now 1000 years younger than celestia? Did being banished also halt her aging?

[Unlikeable Pony 2,700]

Nothing from the book suggests it was a legend. It seemed like it was giving an actual history about where the love poison came from.

I think I phrased that poorly, I meant it more as in an event that happened a very long time ago that ponies only have a very bare bones story about the EOH.

By legend I meant more something that had occured long in the past and wasn't recent.