movies/tv Why does nobody complain about RWBY yet everyone complains about Dubbed Anime?

[Steel Accord 6,660]

I think that's a different beast all together. The best thing about animation is that it's not real, so animated shows/movies can be adapted into any language without much problem, at least as long as skilled people handle it. When it's live action on the other hand it just feels very jarring to hear it in any language other than the original, and a lot of it is because they're dubbing it over real people instead of animated characters, and, at least for me, it feels really uncanny

 

Yeah I know exactly what you mean. Especially after having seen the movie with the original voices.

 

Which reminds me, what exactly is the problem here with the voice acting when A ) it's actually quite good and B ) English IS the original language?!

 

Hell there were fans asking for "the original Japanese dub" when the series came out! How's that for "authentic anime?"

Edited January 27, 2016 by Steel Accord

[Megas 27,819]

Yeah I know exactly what you mean. Especially after having seen the movie with the original voices.

 

Which reminds me, what exactly is the problem here with the voice acting when A ) it's actually quite good and B ) English IS the original language?!

 

Hell there were fans asking for "the original Japanese dub" when the series came out! How's that for "authentic anime?"

lol I remember seeing a similar situation with Korra where on one of its trailers someone literally said "where's the subbed version? I don't want any of this dubbed shit" to the collective facepalms of Avatar fans everywhere

[vampireponyprince 184]

because RWBY isnt dubbed or an anime its a webseries made by the american group roosterteeth

[Sazama Ichida 2,367]

I don't think Bryan Konietzko and Michael Dante DiMartino were trying to make "an anime" I think they were trying to make a good show and by God did they succeed.

 

RWBY, likewise, is also a good show and much better than many others I can name, western or anime. To address your specific complaints, Ozpin, Professor Port, Glynda, Roman Torchwick, Blake, Yang, Weiss, they all acquit themselves admirably. Qrow is even voiced by legendary voice talent Vic Mignona. The only one I will grant you could be improved is Ruby herself, but that's nothing to do with her voice actress, the character is just a natural optimist so when she's sad it comes more from her just talking quieter but still with a smile. Meanwhile the animation, while a bit choppy at first from a FIRST TIME DIRECTOR AND IN COMPUTER ANIMATION NOT HAND DRAWN it was understandable and you know what, as the seasons have gone on, it's improved greatly.

 

Again, are you positing that ALL ANIME have superior animation to RWBY because I have demonstrative examples of that being not true.

 

(I direct you back to my first post for more of my actual point.)

 

 

 

I find that notion to be silly. (Not that you are.) I mean the phrase "the grass is always greener on the other side" refers to the false perception that different from what you are used to is categorically "better in every way" rather than simply being different. I can appreciate Chinese culture but there are aspects about modern China that I can still criticize. I mean if anything, being acquainted with another culture but not viewing it as being arbitrarily superior to another allows me to more accurately critique problems when I see them.

 

The best critics of something are always that thing's fans, and a patriot's first duty should be to question when their leadership is straying from the ideals that they found their authority under.

 

I like anime and Japan, but just thinking that ALL ANIME as in every single animated show and movie that's ever been made in Japan is superior to western animation is unfeasible. I would say Inuyasha is better than Ren and Stimpy but I would also say The Iron Giant is better than My Neighbor Totoro. (Although Totoro is still a great movie so maybe bad example on my part.)

I meant to say "But unlike Avatar and Korra, RWBY has both cheesy voice-acting and inferior art style to real anime."

[Steel Accord 6,660]

I meant to say "But unlike Avatar and Korra, RWBY has both cheesy voice-acting and inferior art style to real anime."

 

And I believe you can see my rebuttal to those two points in that very quoted post.

[Sazama Ichida 2,367]

And I believe you can see my rebuttal to those two points in that very quoted post.

Well yeah back in the 1980's dubbed anime quality wasn't as good.

But to clarify, I don't hate RWBY. Not at all. In fact I actually do like it better than some dubbed animes I've seen.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

@@PE Brony,

 

Before/if you were going to post anything, I just wanted to make you aware of this. 

 

Well yeah back in the 1980's dubbed anime quality wasn't as good.

But to clarify, I don't hate RWBY. Not at all. In fact I actually do like it better than some dubbed animes I've seen.

 

So the OP is not one of the aforementioned "ewww English" people you were talking about.

Edited January 27, 2016 by Steel Accord

[PE Brony 1,712]

 

@@PE Brony,

 

Before/if you were going to post anything, I just wanted to make you aware of this. 

 

 

So the OP is not one of the aforementioned "ewww English" people you were talking about.

 

Thanks Steel. But I don't recall being the one talking about "ewww English"...haha I think that was

 

I meant to say "But unlike Avatar and Korra, RWBY has both cheesy voice-acting and inferior art style to real anime."

Voice Acting

 

Honestly, I tend to enjoy most of the VA in anime, but why, oh why do 95% of the women have to have voices that sound like they're breathing helium instead of oxygen? Or why are they always sighing/giggling/whining? Oh it's the style? Got it.

 

Do you wanna know how long the VA cast has been doing this? Well...for most of them, RWBY is either the first or second job they've had as actors, or at least their first major roles.

 

Ruby = Lindsay (Tuggey) Jones; 1st role = RT's Red vs Blue machinima, followed by RWBY

Weiss = Kara Eberle; 1st role = Weiss Schnee in RWBY

Blake = Arryn Zech; 1st role = BG customer in a tv series called The Men Who Stare at Ghosts, followed by Red vs Blue and RWBY.

Yang = Barbara Dunkelman; 1st role = Yang Xiao Long in RWBY

Jaune = Miles Luna; 1st role = Red vs Blue, followed by Jaune Arc in RWBY

Prof. Ozpin = Shannon McCormick; So far the most experienced actor, acting since 1995

Pyrrha = Jen Brown; 1st role = DCU-O, followed by Red vs Blue and RWBY

 

Shall I continue??

 

The majority of the VA in RWBY has been done by people new to the scene who were already in-house with RoosterTeeth. Is the VA for Red vs Blue bad simply because it was in-house? Nope.

 

Art Style

RWBY was legitimately the first show I'd seen in this style (sure Youtube had shorts and stuff, but I'm talking series). My question, however, is to ask what makes you feel credible enough to claim that the art style is "inferior?" Is it just because you don't like the idea of 3-D anime? By tangent, are the Mayan pyramids any less significant than the Egyptian, simply because they're "Western" or smaller, or look more blocky?

 

What would you say makes an art style superior or inferior to another? 

 

Your desire and perspective of it. That is all.

 

So many people applaud Picasso for his unique art style...personally, I hate it. I would go as far as to call it "inferior" to realism. Why? Because I appreciate realism in art. I can't be bothered with all that abstract, emotionally-charged stuff. Does that make Picasso's creation's less desirable? To me? Yes. To art connoisseurs or professors who have studied art for decades, no. It makes Picasso unique and creative.

 

Well yeah back in the 1980's dubbed anime quality wasn't as good.

But to clarify, I don't hate RWBY. Not at all. In fact I actually do like it better than some dubbed animes I've seen.

If you do enjoy RWBY, why start such an antagonistic thread targeting it? People who enjoy things don't usually want to tear it down or throw it in the mud. Constructive criticism...yes. Mudslinging...no.

 

Do you want to know the one thing about RWBY that bothers me more than anything? I can tell you that without hesitation: When the characters walk their feet slide around a bit rather than holding in place while the other leg is stepping. Example of Yang walking.

https://youtu.be/QCw_aAS7vWI?t=27s

You're bound to see this in any 3D generated video or game. Halo, Battlefield, RWBY, COD, Fable, Skyrim. Teaching 3D drawings their limits of what they can and cannot phase through is a tricky process that has always had bugs in my experience, so this isn't just an issue that RWBY has to deal with and as this is the case, I can't really rag on it because of this little flaw.

Edited January 27, 2016 by PE Brony

[Discordian 6,015]

One of the primary reasons, I imagine, is that dubbed anime is not the original voices nor is the animation usually tailored to match the new ones (for some this is more than a little significant) where RWBY is all originally dubbed by English voice actors so it more easily matches up.

 

I have seen so many people say they don't watch dubbed anime purely because it's not the original and that somehow ruins it for them.

[Tsukuyomi-MLP 33]

I can tell you my personal reasons, but I must say that (for obvious reasons), I can't tell you everyones reasons for this.

 

First of all, English dubs to me sound just... wrong. As a native Japanese speaker, when I hear an English dub, especially if it's after having seen the original Japanese ones I find most to be lacking in the kind of quality I like. Now granted, there are a few dubs that are good, but I just can't stand most.

 

Secondly, RWBY was made by Americans for a Western audience, which is very different from anime which is made by Japanese people for a Japanese audience. There is a difference here.

 

Thirdly, and this is probably most relevant for me, I don't watch RWBY. I never really found it all that appealing, and thus I don't talk about it often (let alone complain about it).

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

But it still doesn't hold a candle to real anime. America tried but at the end of the day they just couldn't replicate Japan's greatness.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't RWBY made by a small group of people with a very limited budget? 

[Mutemutt 773]

I know for me, I usually only watch subs for mainly 2 reasons: 1)the anime is first released to me in subs and I don't want to wait around for a dub to happen. 2) memories of some really awkward dubs, so I kind of stray away from them overall. You just get the off lip sync issue sometimes and it just bugs.

 

Still, I know some dubs are really good. I don't know, I just like hearing things in their original language; just has a natural kinda feel to it I suppose. It's not just for RWBY either, but for anime and even your average chinese kung fu movie.

[Sazama Ichida 2,367]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't RWBY made by a small group of people with a very limited budget? 

I don't know but it definitely makes sense if that's the case.

[Tapfire 92]

Two Words about dubbed anime: "I'm Monobear!" (If you get the refrence I love you.)

 

Seriously though, my disliking for dubs comes from the fact that nobody puts any effort into them. The voice acting isn't as good, and sometimes the dub is dodgy.

[Gestum 2,493]

You see, the reason for why the dubbed version of chinese cartoons gets hate is because people take their chinese cartoons too seriously. Just look at some of the posts in this thread.

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

I don't know but it definitely makes sense if that's the case.

And if it was created by a small group of people with a very limited budget, isn't it kind of unfair to compare it to anime produced by a large group of people with a less limited budget? 

 

Also, I don't get why you claim that America can't "replicate Japan's greatness" when it comes to anime when it was America who created the best anime of all time.  

[Sazama Ichida 2,367]

And if it was created by a small group of people with a very limited budget, isn't it kind of unfair to compare it to anime produced by a large group of people with a less limited budget?

Because I didn't realize that RWBY was made with limited budget until now...

 

Also, I don't get why you claim that America can't "replicate Japan's greatness" when it comes to anime when it was America who created the best anime of all time.  

Wait, When did America ever create an anime?

Edited January 27, 2016 by Asbel Lhant

[Megas 27,819]

Wait, When did America ever create an anime?

 

 

 

And not only that but the show in general is pretty much just a halfassed attempt at anime. That's not to say that it sucks. It doesn't. But it still doesn't hold a candle to real anime. America tried but at the end of the day they just couldn't replicate Japan's greatness.

 

 

You blatantly say it in the op

 

Also I'd still say that Avatar, besides being a top tier show in general, is better than 95% of anime out there(I'd say Megas XLR but that was more of a parody)

Edited January 27, 2016 by Megas

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

Wait, When did America ever create an anime?

Have you never heard of the wonderful anime known as "Cory in the house"?

[takai 1,060]

Mainly because there was no Japanese dub to compare it to at the time. Now obviously, it has one. But also consider the format of the show and how it really isn't anime to begin with. But even still, if it started with a Japanese dub and moved to the EXACT same English voices, people would say the dub is terrible. No ifs, ands, or buts.
 
Generally there's no legitimate argument anymore about English dubbing, sure people had a point when it was the nineties and early 2000's, but not anymore. Heck, even in the nineties and early 2000's there were solid dubs such as Cowboy Bebop and Fooly Cooly.
 
English dubs today are now just as good if not better than their Japanese counterparts, if you watch enough anime, you'll begin to hear the same Seiyuu's over and over again and the same background characters sounding exactly the same as other anime. In the end it's really whether or not the fan is a snobby weaboo or not.
 
English dubs today are generally very well made. Scripts stay close to the original material while at the same time adding some English flare to make it more easy to understand for English speakers. Voice actors aren't just "actors looking for a job", these are people who grew up with cartoons and this is their dream job. You can hear it in their performances as they masterfully perform every nuance, you can hear the emotion and genuineness to it.
 
So in the end, English dub quality has skyrocketed to those of its Japanese counterparts, as you can hear the quality to them. They're well crafted and professionally acted.

 

Avatar The Last Airbender and Korra I can understand why no one complains about. Because they're actually a decent attempt at anime. But Avatar and Korra RWBY has both cheesy voice-acting and inferior art style to real anime.

 

Well I hate to break it to you, but in terms of well, everything, Avatar: The Last Airbender is eons better than the majority of anime out there. Only titles like Cowboy Bebop, Fooly Cooly, Samurai Champloo, and just a few others can actually stand up to the excellency of Avatar.

Edited January 29, 2016 by takai