general Is modesty just as dead as chivalry?

[ManaMinori 4,145]

Media seems to psint modesty as evil nowadays. Celebs and stars barely seem to wear anything during their performances, even in award events, their clothes expose gratuitous amounts of skin and are sheer or form fitting. Every day, normal people dress the same way. Twerking is accepted, in spite of it making people look like dogs in heat, with no respect of their own image....so I have to ask....is modesty just as dead as chivalry?

Ah, I miss the Victorian era, where people were elegant and modestly dressed, and things were left to the imagination.

Edited April 10, 2016 by Nightmare Muffin

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

Modesty does seem to be yesterday's news.  Of course people have many social freedoms now that didn't exist in Victorian times, and people have evidently chosen to express those freedoms in the way that we see people dressing now.

 

Media may show this to be socially acceptable now, but everyone still has the choice to dress however they see fit (within reason).  Is it better to have this freedom?  I would say yes, although it wouldn't be a bad thing if a few more people chose to show a little more modesty, especially in mass media.

 

The genie has however been released from the bottle, and there's no getting it back in there.

[Gestum 2,493]

Can you explain what's wrong with people having a lack of modesty?

[Eloquence 2,076]

There are lots of people who still choose to dress in such a way that they don't expose as much skin and behave in a way in which their sexuality is not so prominent, which I suppose would fit the popular definition of "modest". Things are just different today because we're moving into an era of greater freedom. People can dress how they want and express themselves how they want, and as long as they aren't hurting anyone they're more likely to be accepted in full than they once were. Personally, I think it's a lovely improvement upon society 

[ManaMinori 4,145]

There are lots of people who still choose to dress in such a way that they don't expose as much skin and behave in a way in which their sexuality is not so prominent, which I suppose would fit the popular definition of "modest". Things are just different today because we're moving into an era of greater freedom. People can dress how they want and express themselves how they want, and as long as they aren't hurting anyone they're more likely to be accepted in full than they once were. Personally, I think it's a lovely improvement upon society 

I'm all for freedom. But hell, no one respects their bodies anymore, and just show it all off to the whole world, leaving nothing to the imagination.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Who says that either of those things are dead? Different people have different tastes and ways of expressing themselves. As Eloquence pointed out, there are people that choose to dress more conservatively than others. Nothing is a hundred percent in any social norm. It also depends on where you are. Think people are wearing tank tops and t-shirts in Alaska or Glasgow?

[Untitled Goose Q 5,137]

Is modesty dead? No. Is chivalry dead? Depends on which chivalry you talk about, but really... no.

 

Are they both less common than they were before? It would seem that way.

 

It's not necessarily that people don't respect their bodies anymore, it's just as much people becoming more comfortable with them.

 

As clothing as a method of protecting oneself from the environment becomes less and less important, so it becomes used for other things, and eventually may be used rarely, if ever. (We are still a way off of having total nudity everywhere).

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

 

 

I'm all for freedom. But hell, no one respects their bodies anymore, and just show it all off to the whole world, leaving nothing to the imagination.

 

I don't think respect really has anything to do with it.  Some people like to show off a body that they are proud of.  You can't really allow people the freedom to do something and then accuse them of being in the wrong if they do so.

[Sazama Ichida 2,367]

Aye.. Nowadays we live in such a sex-saturated world that the words "hard", "wet" and "moist" are forever tainted.

Edited April 10, 2016 by Asbel Lhant

[ARagY 1,152]

I'm all for freedom. But hell, no one respects their bodies anymore, and just show it all off to the whole world, leaving nothing to the imagination.

Who said its necessarily exhibitionism? 

[Twilight Dash 28]

I don't get why public nudity is not legalized. Nudity would become non sexual if everyone did it.

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,732]

Honestly, I would prefer if the whole 'hatred for the human body' thing this society has locked down would just go away completely. I don't care at all if someone is deciding to show off some skin with their outfit, that is just their body. The body of a human. I have a body, we all have a body. It shouldn't be something that is shunned like this society wants it to be. 

[Eloquence 2,076]

I'm all for freedom. But hell, no one respects their bodies anymore, and just show it all off to the whole world, leaving nothing to the imagination.

 

Different people respect themselves in different ways. To me, I would be disrespecting my body by hiding it as if I am ashamed, or wearing more clothing when the warm weather makes doing so uncomfortable and potentially harmful. There's a wide variety of ways to love and respect oneself, and I would never want to impose my way upon others for whom it doesn't fit <3

[ARagY 1,152]

Different people respect themselves in different ways. To me, I would be disrespecting my body by hiding it as if I am ashamed, or wearing more clothing when the warm weather makes doing so uncomfortable and potentially harmful. There's a wide variety of ways to love and respect oneself, and I would never want to impose my way upon others for whom it doesn't fit <3

ayy mod

 

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[Nagisa452 182]

I still believe in being chivalrous and I like my clothes when in public lol. It seems like everyone would rather live in "sinful" ways rather than what's "right". Sorry not trying to make this a religious post, just what I believe.

[Solid 1,327]

Depends on what degree of modesty and chivalry you are talking about. The more extreme side is very much dead...because we now know some of those practices do more harm than good (I do not want my wife crushing her internal organs for "elegance," no thank you). However, if you meant in general, no, there are still plenty of people out there who wear decent clothes and behave politely.

 

Many celebs are not a good representation of the general population, it is a reason why they stick out of the crowd as celebs instead of blending in to begin with.

Edited April 12, 2016 by Solid

[Phanact 333]

Media seems to psint modesty as evil nowadays. Celebs and stars barely seem to wear anything during their performances, even in award events, their clothes expose gratuitous amounts of skin and are sheer or form fitting. Every day, normal people dress the same way. Twerking is accepted, in spite of it making people look like dogs in heat, with no respect of their own image....so I have to ask....is modesty just as dead as chivalry?

Ah, I miss the Victorian era, where people were elegant and modestly dressed, and things were left to the imagination.

 

I dunno about celebrities but I try to be modest as well, if anyone ever compliments me. I dunno, I think that both of them are pretty much dead in the media, it seems. I dunno why, to be honest.

 

Apparently you're a white knight if you defend a friend 

[ScopeEva 38]

Is modesty dead?  Depends what you mean by modesty.  I know a lot of people use it to say that others lack their standards or refuse to conceal something they consider to be embarrassing or icky.  Sometimes possessing modesty is used to describe those who honestly don't give a damn what others think, refusing to conceal what they have.  I really can't say for sure if it's gone... or if it being gone is good or bad.  That's a matter of perspective.

 

But you say chivalry is dead?  I find that hard to believe.  What do you imagine when someone says chivalry?  I take it you imagine the noble knight riding off to slay a dragon and save a poor beautiful damsel... but did that knight ever stop to think of that poor peasant family suffering from an illness that requires an obscure plant requiring considerable risk to obtain?  Probably not.  Yet today, many a millionaire and large groups of people will dedicate vast sums of money to curing the less fortunate ill for no gain of their own.  Is it really dead?  Or is it just a lack of every day manners during the drudgery of life that stops you from seeing it's never been more alive then ever before? 

[Ruthborn 55]

You have to remember that a lot of the fashions that stars wear at public ceremonies are actually given to them to wear by fashion businesses as a kind of "product placement" thing. Also, in this day in age the people that get the most attention (and by extension money and popularity) are those that are the most daring/scandalous (without crossing the line) and so "modesty" in the paparazzi-covered world will always be pushed back.

 

As for chivalry; it began to decline when the laws of etiquette became less enforced as everyone was "freed from the rules that chained them in society". As such there is no longer a set guide on how to behave toward one another and thusly act chivalrous. Of course, one could practise the old rules of chivalry but apparently that rubs the stereotypical feminist the wrong way so you can't win.

 

Modesty and Chivalry are not dead, they're just not profitable or PC enough to be enforced any more.

[heavens-champion 1,905]

"Is modesty just as dead as chivalry?" Not unless everyone starts walking around naked.

[Ruthborn 55]

"Is modesty just as dead as chivalry?" Not unless everyone starts walking around naked.

 

hm, which begs the question; are nudists still modest? Is modesty and chivalry actually rated depending on the situation/environment in which they are practised?

[El Duderino 879]

Modesty changes based on how society changes. It's not a specific code, it's a moral idea that each generation has their own version of. 60 years from now the kids who you claim aren't "modest" will be complain about how the kids of that time aren't "modest". 100 years ago, a girl wearing pants wan't "modest". "Modesty" is not something that will ever die, it just changes because every generation has their new ideas of modesty.

 

As for chivalry. Chivalry is completely different because it was and actual code (there weren't necessarily specific written down rules, but it was still a code), not just an moral idea that changes based on different generations and society. Chivalry was mostly a code for how to conduct yourself in battle, defend the Church (specifically Christian faiths), and wage wars. 

[Malinter 3,064]

I'd say no. Also don't let media distort your views on modesty. Media is *designed* to get a reaction out of you. You wouldn't get the same response from a full dressed or naked person as you would a person wearing sexy clothes which are usually designed to either shock or impress a given audience.

[Crypty Scribbles 5,319]

I don't think so. I guess you're just paying attention to nonmodest persons firs of all )

[Cyrus Summers 34]

Well if modesty is bad then Rarity is doing a bad job. I usually think of Rarity when it comes to modesty (Although slightly flirty) but modest in her helpful ladylike nature

 

 

Either way i prefer modesty aswell. I find much of modern music and entertainment in general bad with the types of content some contain. I miss the times when girls had sweater and jeans, not that i am going to complain about new modern fashion but i've never liked the lazy tights and oval shirt they wear, or the fact that people are much more busy being glued to their phones than having actual human reactions to each other.

Edited August 8, 2016 by Cyrus Summers