If You Were Asked To Improve Starlight's Character What Would You Change?

[OmegaBeamOfficial 622]

Starlight's always been a touchy subject on this forum, I don't know why, it just is. Usually, in most posts I see, no matter how unrelated they are, a discussion always seems to surface about how Starlight's character was handled in the show. As someone who often defends Starlight, I don't usually get involved in those kind of discussions anymore, but maybe It'd be nice to get our creative juices flowing a little, because hey, if so many of us think it was done badly, why don't WE say how it should be done? The rest, you can figure out from the title.

 

For the sake of having something substantial to start with I'll throw my hat in the ring here. I think Starlight's development progresses a little too damn quickly, this is especially noticeable in the Season 5 finale, where her big character turnaround where she realises what she's done wrong and stops her actions is nowhere near as meaningful as it should be because it felt like they were squashing the scene and shoving it in there at the end, everything goes so fast there's barely any time for Starlight, or Twilight even, to show much change, don't get me wrong, the change is there, but It's just not very easy to see for the casual observer flicking through the TV channels and that episode happens to be on. This improved in Season 6, but I still think it could be done better.

[Megas 27,921]

Building a real relationship with the Remane 5 would fix, like 70% of my problems with her

[OmegaBeamOfficial 622]

Building a real relationship with the Remane 5 would fix, like 70% of my problems with her

True, I wanna see an episode where Starlight and the Mane 6 bond a little more, they're all best buds from the start of Season 6, so I guess there was some offscreen befriending them we didn't see...

[Sidral Mundet 1,666]

Didn't we just have this topic? I feel we just had this topic.

 

Okay easy, take Starlight, shove her back at her village, take the portal mirror and grab Bacon Pony. There you go, problem solved.

 

Okay seriously though there are several ways

 

1) Reduced screen time. No more two-parters for her,those are done. Next only AT BEST 3 episode next season. Now a few cameo appearance here and there are okay. Basically make her Big Mac with an occasional Discord level episode or two but nothing more.

 

2) Make her less special. I said this elsewhere but Starlight is overemphasized. She is too big, she's given more screen time than any other Pony in season 6. Stop doing this and treat her like a normal pony. That means consequences for her actions and no more relying on her self pity/doubt to make everything better. Lie I said treat her more like other secondary characters.

 

3) Have a reason why ponies want to interact with her. All of the ponies that interact with Starlight have no reason to really do so. Twilight's doing it for the teaching gig. The Mane 6 have no reason ay all to interact with her at all. Even Trixie was doing it to get back at Twilight. The only reason they interact with Starlight at all is because she asks them and there good ponies but that's it. When they interact their personal motives and agency gets shoved back for Starlight's.

 

Anyways those are my thoughts. Theyd improve Starlight for me but even then I wouldn't rank het very high.

[Baykush 328]

True, I wanna see an episode where Starlight and the Mane 6 bond a little more, they're all best buds from the start of Season 6, so I guess there was some offscreen befriending them we didn't see...

 

I don't think they're all exactly best buds. Twilight's relationship is more of a mentor-student one than a friendship one (that doesn't mean they aren't good friends, but that the bond they have is a little different), and while the mane 5 consider her a friend, they seem more concerned about helping Twilight with her student, so their relationship with her is similar to Twilight's (although not as strong). So far Starlight has a bigger friendship bond with Spike than with any of the mane 6 (yes, including Twilight), which I believe it's the point of her character. She's not there to become part of the group, and that's why her development has been mostly with ponies outside of the mane 6 (Sunburst, Trixie, Thorax, Discord, Spike, the village). That being said, I would like her to form a bigger bond with at least one of the mane 5, and I'm not sure why but I think Rainbow Dash would work.

[cmarston1 5,960]

Make her magic be less OP, and give her meaningful interactions with the rest of the mane 6 outside of Twilight.

[LeafFerret 3,382]

Make her being herself rather than being one dimensional like what the Mane 6 are, have her develop and make her have responsibilities like what Twilight used to have, if she could that, then I could see herself being the new protagonist of the show.

[EmeraldStar04 250]

I'd make her realize how horrible she is, make her feel bad over her actions, make her actively strive to be a better person instead of expect everyone to forgive her for being garbage, and deal with her OPness in some way to make her less OP. Also, she stops resorting to mind control whenever she gets triggered.

[OmegaBeamOfficial 622]

Didn't we just have this topic? I feel we just had this topic.

 

Okay easy, take Starlight, shove her back at her village, take the portal mirror and grab Bacon Pony. There you go, problem solved.

 

Okay seriously though there are several ways

 

1) Reduced screen time. No more two-parters for her,those are done. Next only AT BEST 3 episode next season. Now a few cameo appearance here and there are okay. Basically make her Big Mac with an occasional Discord level episode or two but nothing more.

 

2) Make her less special. I said this elsewhere but Starlight is overemphasized. She is too big, she's given more screen time than any other Pony in season 6. Stop doing this and treat her like a normal pony. That means consequences for her actions and no more relying on her self pity/doubt to make everything better. Lie I said treat her more like other secondary characters.

 

3) Have a reason why ponies want to interact with her. All of the ponies that interact with Starlight have no reason to really do so. Twilight's doing it for the teaching gig. The Mane 6 have no reason ay all to interact with her at all. Even Trixie was doing it to get back at Twilight. The only reason they interact with Starlight at all is because she asks them and there good ponies but that's it. When they interact their personal motives and agency gets shoved back for Starlight's.

 

Anyways those are my thoughts. Theyd improve Starlight for me but even then I wouldn't rank het very high.

I don't think that would work honestly. It seems there's only one version of Sunset Shimmer, so we can't have her hopping between worlds all the time. Besides, Starlight is supposed to be the pony equivalent to the Mane 6 as Sunset Shimmer is to the Humane 6, that's how it works. One thing I wanna add though, is that a lot of Starlight hate I see comes from how she was instantly forgiven for her actions, I myself am fine with that, but there's one little thing. Sunset pretty much gets the same thing in Equestria Girls, yet everyone on here gives her a free pass.

 

To be fair she is a main character now, I don't really think her screen time should be reduced, that's like taking a sidekick out of a superhero cartoon, yeah they aren't AS important as the other protagonist, but they still matter. Give her screentime on the same sort of level as everyone else in the Mane 6, and I'm cool with it.

 

I'll agree on some kind of consequence for her actions, but I think Season 6 was supposed to be focused on Twilight trying to teach Starlight to adapt to the friendship way of life, a scenario the Season 5 finale set up, that's probably why she got so much attention in Season 6.

 

The teaching gig seems like a valid reason to me. Plus, I think that argument's a little flawed, that'd be like if I said hi to one of my friends. I don't need to have a reason to talk to them, I just talk to them because I feel like it. Trixie's been proven to be a mischievous character anyway. Personal motives and agency get shoved back? I dunno, that seems like stretching it, and again, see above for why she's getting so much attention.

[GrimGrimoire 4,973]

Another how to improve Starlight thread? Is there seriously anything left to say that has not already been said like.. a madeupwordilllion times? I think little girls in the past playing with the G1 toys can answer this question by now.

 

Just make her and the mane 6 interact as friends and not act like one of them has some transmittable disease or something. Enough with the eggshells, if she is a member of the cast, act like it.

 

Also, I would paint her green. Then you would all have no choice but to accept her.

 

#greenstarlight2017

[Baykush 328]

While I would like to see more interaction of the mane 5 with Starlight I don't feel it should be a top priority, I don't really see her as part of the main cast in the same way that, say, Sunset Shimmer is in EqG. Unlike her I don't think her place is to be with the mane 6, that's just a temporary state while she becomes the pony she needs to become, and now that she has her confidence back I'd like to see more of a clear goal for her in season 7, putting her leadership abilities to good use and probably leaving the mane 6 in the end, or at least graduating. It'd make for a satisfactory ending of her character arc, and it'd probably satisfy those who want her to go away as well, everybody wins! (just kidding  )

[GreenGreenWhirlWind 161]

Maybe have her show up more? I mean, i don't care if the character starts off bad if they develop them further, but as of the moment it seems like they just won't let her show up unless it's some kind of big important event. Having her appear in the more slice of life-ish episodes would be neat.

[Ninjaed 526]

We meet again!

 

I feel like a déjà vu as well... Meh, whatever

 

1) I don't think the screen time is the issue here. Besides, during the debate I had with Goat-kun, I showed she had the least amount of episodes, and thre were 18 episodes without her talking at all and 16 where she doesn't even appear. Nah I think the issue lies elsewhere.

 

2) Like here! She's being given a special treatment. GrimGrimoire has the right expression: walking on eggshells. They're always wearing gloves whenever interacting with her and it shows you can feel it. That makes her feel to the viewers as alien, special. If there's ONE thing Season 7 needs to do, it's to change this. Hopefully now that she's earned trust, it will change.

 

3) This we already talked about so... Happy useless 3 column again, yay!

 

I'd make her realize how horrible she is, make her feel bad over her actions, make her actively strive to be a better person instead of expect everyone to forgive her for being garbage, and deal with her OPness in some way to make her less OP. Also, she stops resorting to mind control whenever she gets triggered.

 

I think Starlight has already shown much, much angst over her actions. It's been poked fun at in every single episode she stars in. Your next point, I agree she should strive to become a better pony instead of avoiding the friendship lessons. But as was said above, no more eggshells would do her much muuuuch good. Oh, and mind-control is bad, hope the lesson's been learnt now. :-P

 

I'll agree on some kind of consequence for her actions, but I think Season 6 was supposed to be focused on Twilight trying to teach Starlight to adapt to the friendship way of life, a scenario the Season 5 finale set up, that's probably why she got so much attention in Season 6.

 

Actually, season 5 was about "abandonment" (Applebloom and the CMC, Tank for the memories, ...). Season 6 was about "overcoming hardships together with your friends" (Viva Las Pegasus, Gauntlet of Fire, ...). The teaching was quite secondary and we didn't it much from Twilight's viewpoint. And as I said, premier and finale excluded, Starlight barely had episodes, 2 with major role and Hearthwarming. She doesn't appear in the others, just talks a bit in Thorax's episode and that's it. The "special treatment" is what makes her feel "overbearing" right now, so it needs to stop soon.

 

Also, I would paint her green. Then you would all have no choice but to accept her.

 

#greenstarlight2017

 

I tooootally don't see any kind of reference here, nope.

[Cleverclover 1,526]

Building a real relationship with the Remane 5 would fix, like 70% of my problems with her

 

This. 

 

However, it's not enough for them to simply build a relationship. Now that Starlight has wronged them on a level to imply that she doesn't actually care about them in the slightest, the mane five need a damn good reason to want to be friends with her. Otherwise, it just feels like they only want to be friends with her because it's what Twilight wants for them. 

 

Starlight simply does not offer them anything. She needs to offer them the same thing that the mane six receive from each other. 

 

The additional 30% would divided. I'd say that 15% would go towards her reckless magic usage, as well as how OP she is, which does nothing to improve her character and only makes her that much more hated by the fandom for being such a special snowflake (by being a completely random unicorn who, somehow, happens to be more skilled with magic than the Element of Magic herself). Also, stop having her whip out a spell for everything. This is an issue Twilight has as well, but Starlight clearly feels that there is absolutely no problem that magic cannot solve and does not even consider other options. 

 

The remaining 15% would go towards how much her actions tend to be shoved under the rug, and how she can get away with anything, no matter how messed up it is. Starlight cannot keep exerting her power over others so we can just write it off as her being full of self-doubt. At some point, we have to recognize that she simply is not as right in the head as she should be. Oh, and please stop having her joke about her past actions, because that honestly feels like a slap in the face to those who feel that she got off too easy. 

[Ninjaed 526]

This. 

 

However, it's not enough for them to simply build a relationship. Now that Starlight has wronged them on a level to imply that she doesn't actually care about them in the slightest, the mane five need a damn good reason to want to be friends with her. Otherwise, it just feels like they only want to be friends with her because it's what Twilight wants for them.

 

Yup, that here I mostly agree with. In Starlight's defence, I'll just say she apologised and bonded a bit with them afterwards, and now she's helped save Equestria. They'll be willing to give her a chance again but I'm sure they'll keep the eggshells at first. Need an episode to solve that and then the normal interactions can begin!

 

The additional 30% would divided. I'd say that 15% would go towards her reckless magic usage, as well as how OP she is, which does nothing to improve her character and only makes her that much more hated by the fandom for being such a special snowflake (by being a completely random unicorn who, somehow, happens to be more skilled with magic than the Element of Magic herself). Also, stop having her whip out a spell for everything. This is an issue Twilight has as well, but Starlight clearly feels that there is absolutely no problem that magic cannot solve and does not even consider other options.

 

Starlight's hammer is her magic. Everything else is nails. That's wrong, Starlight. Nuancing what you said in one point (as I agree with the rest) is that Twilight is the Element of the Magic of Friendship, not of Magic in its entirety. Otherwise, she'd have wiped the floor with amulet-wearing Trixie, with Discord, with Tirek, ... Speaking of Tirek, what defeated him wasn't the combined alicorn magics, but the RAINBOW LAZOR TO DA FACE!! :=:

 

The remaining 15% would go towards how much her actions tend to be shoved under the rug, and how she can get away with anything, no matter how messed up it is. Starlight cannot keep exerting her power over others so we can just write it off as her being full of self-doubt. At some point, we have to recognize that she simply is not as right in the head as she should be. Oh, and please stop having her joke about her past actions, because that honestly feels like a slap in the face to those who feel that she got off too easy. 

 

Hmm, half-agree. Half, because every character in the show has a tendancy to get away with it without much being done. It's a cartoon after all. I guess having one episode where she gets punished - but not at the end, perhaps even make it somewhat central? - would allow many to finally let it be water under the bridge.

[Ganondorf8 11,432]

Starlight's reformation at the end of the season five finale combined with her backstory being petty in design and execution were both rushed and I attribute that to the time constraint issue that has plagued the show and Equestria Girls from the beginning. Granted, Sunset's reformation was also rushed but then she did something Starlight never did... atone for what she did. A lot of people took issue with Starlight because she essentially got off scot-free despite her attempt at changing Equestria's past. She should have been made to atone for her actions.

 

The same can be said regarding her actions against the other Mane Six when she brainwashed them. Starlight used magic on them without thinking of the potential consequences that would result, and all because she was having problems making other friends who weren't named Trixie. While they forgave her for what she did, again she didn't atone for turning them into obedient slaves who took her suggestions literally. I think Starlight needs to learn that her actions do have negative repercussions and that she can't always think she won't be punished.

 

What she diid in the season six finale was exactly the kind of character development that had been missing, yet there is still something missing.

Edited November 5, 2016 by Ganondorf8

[FullmoonDagger 200]

1 - Make her less OP

2 - Make her tell that Twilight's friends are not her friends, because it's buckin' obvious and even the Princess of Friendship™ can't see this. The only friend Starlight have is Trixie.

3 - Shove her back to her village. I don't wanna see her anymore.

[Sidral Mundet 1,666]

CTRL + X

Now first off, the Sunset thing was just a joke but Sunset did get punished. She was made a pariah at school and the Mane 6 treated her like an outsider. Even Twilight was hesitant to take her hand. She also had to repair the outside of the school building. And if you think about it, she was put into Exile after the events of EQG 1, she was left in the human world with no way of returning to Equestria.

 

Starlight's not a main character thought. Threw multiple tweets and in the show itself, it's said Starlight is a secondary cast member. And as such she should get less screen time.

 

I don't deny that, but I think the execution was far from the mark in that regard.

 

The interaction is along the lines of What @clovercleaver stated, the Mane 6 do not offer anything to Starlight and Starlight does not offer anything to the Mane 6. Starlight's presence reduces them because their dynamic and personalities need to make room for Starlight's, that they get shoved out to push Starlight in,  ELTSD and The Season 6 finales being prime examples. 

 

 

Let's do the time warp again. 

1) The issue does lie elsewhere but it's a symptom of the second point I made, that she's emphasized. Now yes she wasn't in 16 episodes but she starred in 7, all with the focus squarely on her and that included to two-parters, that's more focus than any other character go this season, Rainbow Dash being the closest with 3 episodes. I'd limit her screen time while maybe included a few cameo roles. Like I said give her screen time like Big Mac (a couple of cameos per season and a couple of small secondary roles maybe 7-8 at most  and then a Discord level episode or two. 

 

2) Well we agree to an extent and I don't need a two  and three useless columns. 

[Ninjaed 526]

Wait, we had been travelling through time?! How awesome are we?!

 

Sunset chose to hide in the human world, then to stay in the human world. She's no exile. As for repairing the wall, yes, she had to. She'd just tried to invade another realm, brainwash the whole school and more if needed, and showed no kind of questionning herself until after her defeat. I can understand why they'd be wary of her, epecially since she never really apologised aside from (and I quote) "I'm sorry, I didn't know there was another way".

Aside from that, the Mane 6 certainly didn't show any kind of restraint like they did with Starlight. They may have been a bit wary, but were mostly extremely forgiving. With Starlight, it's eggshells everywhere, and it shows too. Saying Sunset didn't get a free pass isn't entirely true, but mostly is. Starlight was made to go and apologise, as well as be kept under Twilight's watch. Sunset? She's pretty much free because, like you said somewhere else, she's considered independent. So no, if you consider Starlight to have gotten away scott-free, then so has Sunset. They're making amends in 2 different ways, but making amends still.

 

Starlight being a main character or not, does it really matter? I mean, is Spike one? Who cares, he's there. That's just words, won't make Starlight nor Spike appear more or less than before.

Then the focus of the seaon, I talked about that so won't talk about it again. I expect Starlight to grow overconfident now, Twilight to fail to understand her pupil and so at least one episode where Twilight is quite at a loss at what to do...again.

For the screentime, it doesn't make everything but regardless, I've looked and copied/pasted what I'd written for you:

- Rainbow Dash: 6 episodes, 3 as main, 3 as duo or more

- Applejack: 6 episodes, 1 as main, 5 as duo or more (Aj's day off counted as duo or more)

- Rarity: 6 episodes, all as duo or more (Saddle Row counted as a group episode)

- Twilight Sparkle: 5 episodes, all as duo or more

- Pinkie Pie: 4 episodes, all as duo or more

- Fluttershy: 3 episodes, 1 as main, 2 as duo or more

- Starlight Glimmer: 2 episodes, 1 as main, 1 as duo or more

- CMC: 2 episodes

- other: 2 episodes (Dungeons & Discords, The Times They Are A Changeling)

- group episode(s): 1 episode

 

 

To nuance this, premiere and finale were excluded. Also, the Starlight Glimmer count didn't include Hearthwarming as it's not about Starlight herself. You can give her one more if you want though.

Now if you include premiere and finale, Twilight gets 1 more and Starlight 2 more, totalling at 6 both (or 5 if you didn't include Hearthwarming).

 

The issue isn't so much the screentime as you can see as it is the fact she's quite often the focus. Premier had 2 stories in parallel, 1 was Starlight's. NSP was focusing on Twilight, Trixie and Starlight, but the focus tended to be more on Starlight than the other 2. ELTSD was centered around her. Hearthwarming is a bit special, but focused on Starlight you could say. The finale focused on Starlight.

That means ONLY The Times They Are A Changeling did NOT focus on Starlight. Therein lies Starlight's issue this season for a lot of people, understandably so. That needs to change so that she can be as much a supporting role as a major role in the episodes she stars in. There are some issues, that's true. Everyone was walking on eggshells when it came to Starlight, both inside the show and outside the show. Crossing my fingers season 7 will make things better for everyone and everypony with all the ideas already posted here.

 

PS: RIP 2) and 3), 1) has now joined you so RIP to you too. And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.

[Sidral Mundet 1,666]

*Plays Back to the Future theme*

Sunset was more or less forced to stay on her side of the mirror after EQG 1. We really don't know if she had a choice in it the matter or not. I consider it exile but it can be viewed differently. After RR yeah it's not longer exile and she chose to stay of her own free will. 

 

And Starlight brainwashed an entire town, falsely imprisoned 6 ponies, and when out to destroy the lives of those six ponies through the use of time travel, yet instantly gives it up and repents after a thirty second speech which everyone forgives after a minute and a half montage. Reformations are not this show's strong point. I don't deny Sunset's turn is weak but so is Starlight's and Sunset at least relies on precedent ala Princess Luna/ Nightmare Moon.  And I could argue Sunset's turn was foreshadowed but that's for another place and time. 

 

And then Sunset faced consequences, that's the difference. Sure they weren't jail or anything but she was treated as a pariah at school. The Humane 6 treated her like an outsider, it becoming all the more apparent when Twilight showed up in RR. Everyone shunned her and more or less hated her. Starlight had none of that. Everyone turned a blind eye on her past and moved forward.  And I really don't consider Starlight to be under Twilight's watch, or if she's suppose to be Twilight is doing a really bad job at it. 

 

What do you mean by the Mane 6 certainly didn't show any kind of restraint like they did with Starlight? I assume what you mean is that you believe the Mane 6 are holding back their feeling with Starlight.  I disagree The Mane 6 don't walk on eggshell with Starlight, they're just sort of there with her, they don't have any connection with her at all.  Starlight's meetings with the Mane 6 are at best awkward because they have no chemistry together. The Mane 6 aren't holding back because of past interactions with Starlight but rather they have nothing to offer one another at the moment. And I think this is where we have a difference in viewing. To me the Mane are just there with her, they have no hangups or issues with Starlight at all. You see them as on edge with her, though I do not see that. 

 

Sidnote: I think we should drop the Sunset comparison. It seems irrelevant to the topic at hand and I don't like comparing the two since I feel it does a disservice to both characters. I originally meant it just as a joke. 

 

 

 

Spike is a main character yes, but Starlight isn't. The show stated it as such with Discord's "Well isn't this an unusual paring of secondary characters?" And as a secondary character she should have less focus than the Mane 6 and not be as prominently featured. 

 

Ah well with the episodes I count the Premiers and finales as well as Hearth's Warming Eve. I also sort of agree with you which is what I sort of stated in my previous comment what with the 7-8 cameo to less extensive shots in the season, sort of like what's done with Big Mac but then pepper in at best 2 episodes that focus on her. No more two-part stories though. The thing is I want her screen time to be better regulated I guess.  

[Ninjaed 526]

*comes back with Starlight's spell*

 

Reformations are definitely somewhat weak yeah, no denying that. But it's hard to tell compelling stories in so little time while catering to both young and older. But I don't remember Sunset being shunned by the Mane 6. It was more Sunset herself refusing to blend with them, deeming she had no right to. The rest of the school though wasn't so forgiving. The Mane 6 are a rare kind indeed, and even if "shunning her", they'd still talk to her, include her in their conversations at times and Pinkie joked once or twice about the raging she-demon..."no offense". They were somewhat proactive. When Twilight came, ofc they'd be more happy to see her than Sunset, since Sunset had yet to do anything "good" after being a bully and female alpha for a few years.

 

Starlight, the Mane 5 weren't there when she chose redemption over revenge, so as far as they're concerned, it went from "I'll steal your cutie marks!" to "I'm sorry..." with Twilight telling them "nah, she's cool now". No wonder they'll only interact when asked to by Twilight. That and just like Sunset, Starlight doesn't deem she has any right to after what she's done. As for the other ponies, they don't even know she used to be a villain. Those from Our Town chose to forgive her, but the difference is that Starlight genuinely believed what she was doing was in their best interests and they knew it, whereas Sunset used to be an obnoxious bully. And Starlight came to apologise, Sunset didn't. It's somewhat similar I guess (?) but there are big differences...that have not been highlighted enough. The apology shouldn't have happened during the song. It should have been: apology, then the song! I'm sure people would've accepted her waaaaay better that way.

 

For being under Twilight's watch, refer to the season 5 finale. They form a kind of council and agree she cannot be left as is. So she is. Twilight's just giving her some leeway so as not to have Starlight feel oppressed and...and because she's a bad mentor, what can I say?!

 

What I meant for the Mane 6 feeling some kind of restraint is what I said above. They weren't there when she chose redemption, so she just became good like that, somehow? They haven't had the same "bonding experience" Twilight and Spike have. So quite naturally, the only times they're made to interact with Starlight are when Twilight ask them to for "friendship lessons" reasons. Remember back in season 1, that jerkish Twilight? The Mane 5 were proactively befriending her. The same ponies are suddenly very passive, and the interactions come off as "awkward". That's exactly what I meant. They're not at ease with her because of what I've said. Maybe the finale will help them see her in a better light? But what's certain is that so long as her interactions are this awkward, she'll feel "special" or rather "alien" to the group.

 

Those are my thoughts. Like you said, the Sunset / Starlight comparisons are doing a disservice to both of them. As we've seen, they're different characters, with different circumstances, different reasons for having been a villain, different reasons for reforming, different backstories, different stories and different personalities of course.

 

Also, I wish Starlight actually stated she'd like to be punished as it doesn't seem fair to her. She's clearly agonising over the fact they're so forgiving. Kind of like Luna and the Tantabus (hope that's the right name). Just don't make her to be a masochist please.

 

Last point, the screentime! Almost over, phew!

What I think should happen with that is to have her be present in more episodes, but not necessarily have a role in them. In many episodes, you see some of the Mane 6 having no real role, just living their lives and the focus just happens to be at the same place at the same time. For Starlight, this was completely missing. That made her stick out like a sore thumb when she starred in an episode, as not only was she suddenly there, but she was also the focus.

 

There, over! I hope I made my points clear enough? :awuh:

[Goat-kun 2,530]

Let her pull an overeager apprentice against Grogar or other such villain in a way that would make even C-Class scum of Hero Association look away in shame. Then kick her off to her village where she can fulfill her one true destiny of being Twilight’s disembodied pen pal the Princess mentions every now and then like Detective Columbo mentions his wife.

 

And thus H-Bro can turn S07 into a movie hype train that focuses on characters that will actually star in it. Moreover, the movie will likely feature secondary characters that will boot the current secondary characters off the shelves and popularity lists for quite a foreseeable future. And if that doesn’t happen, MLP is toast anyway and will be slammed into the freezer until another legendary hero writer of destiny arises and makes G5.

 

TL; DR: Five-Legged Shrew is coming. Fleshing out Starlight is a waste of time. Deal with it.

[Sidral Mundet 1,666]

Which one?

With Sunset I see it as both sides held each other at arm's distance, the Humane 5 accepting her but not fully forgiving of her. They never asked her to be a part of the band and kept referring to her past when she was in their presence clearing regarding her past self with contempt (not sure if that's the right word). Sunset in turn didn't ask to be a part of the group because she didn't feel it was her place to ask. It's a catch-22 with the whole thing, or that's the way I saw it. It felt like a natural reaction to how both had seen each other. 

 

I agree that the ponies of Ponyville have no clue as to what Starlight did. But with Our Town I feel that they shouldn't have forgiven her so easily. For one that would have been a good story IMO but also because it takes away something IMO but also a good lesson about grudges and anger. It's part of the reason Keep Calm and Flutter On is my favorite episode of the show. 

Also as to the previous post I consider the "I'm Sorry" Sunset gave to be on par with what Starlight gave. It's a little less formal but she's in a crater, crying her eyes out surrounded by everyone. I consider that an apology at least along the same vein as the one Starlight gave around the Cutie Map. 

 

Yeah they agreed they couldn't just let Starlight go on her own, but their solution was to make her their friend and student. I don't consider that parole. Also yeah Twilight's not exactly promising in the mentor role. 

 

I don't think the Mane 6 were proactively bonding with Twilight. I think they bonded in a more organic way, that they all just wanted to hang out together. And yeah the Mane 6 should have a reason to want to interact with Starlight, that or Starlight should get her own spin off where she feels more natural. How about it, three MLP shows, FIM, EQG the series and the Starlight Trixie Touring Friendship Magic show (It's a work in progress)?

Also I don't see the Mane 6 being "not at ease" around Starlight, they seem okay with her, or more so not put off by her past actions. They seem friendly enough around her but since they don't really have anything to bond over there's no chemistry there. 

 

 

Yeah I don't need no BDSM in the show. That's what fan fics are for 

 

Now onto the Starlight episode thing, I think we are agreed in principal but not quantity. I agree that seeing that with Starlight would be good but I don't want to see it a lot. 

 

I think we agree on a lot of point but have different POV's as to how to interpret them. That or we're running around in circles that we're getting confused at to what the other is saying 

Edited November 6, 2016 by Sidral Mundet

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As of right now, everything is still gluing together in place for her as a character. Her friendships with each of the mane 6 could use more implied screentime maybe with starting with Season 7. Sunburst wouldn't mind too help her in her lessons because he's a pretty big part of her past so that's a good place to amend and maybe she'll open up to him. Her all-so-powerful magic has to be explained too in the regard not just for the story's sake but to the viewers too because I'm tired of hearing how she's all "OP" and "Mary Sue" that even though it can't be avoided at all.

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There was one idea of mine that would involve having Starlight Glimmer carry on her quests with only the Mane 5(Meaning Twilight Sparkle would have to be removed, though only physically.)

 

 An idea of mine involves Starlight losing her magic to Tirek, and Twilight being struck with a paralyzing poison, forcing her to be sealed in a crystal to remove the poison.  But not before she transfers her magic to Starlight Glimmer.  This means Starlight now has Twilight's Cutie Mark instead of her own.  And apparently, it projects her image so that Starlight can speak to Twilight if needed.  Furthermore, Starlight can let Twilight take over, turning her into a Unicorn Twilight Sparkle, if necessary.