Will Trump make America great again?

[ARagY 1,152]

When ever has America been 'great'? It's always been a flawed nation, holding down women and minorities. I can not call a nation that can't even get treatment of women and minorities correct 'great'. I can say for certain that Trump and his ilk's idea of 'great' directly opposes mine.

 

He will NOT make America great. One can only hope that him and the Republican controlled House and Senate will not do too much damage.

question: when was america great? and to whom, and why?

 

 

The 1900s were when women suffrage in a lot of Europe and colonies. France is an old, old, old land. I guess they were not ever great because most of their history has non French put down. Despite being a cultural inspiration from B.C to Japan and in some ways a symbol of liberation to many. Who fought to help the US even survive.

 

What matters is what you do in the now. If you act the same as a barbarian back then,then you are treated like it. If you advance yourself, you are marvelous and deserve redemption.

[Member Berry 1,217]

Doubt it. He is not a politician, he is a business man. America is not a business, why don't people get this?

 

He hasn't got the right attitude to be a politician either. Politicians don't typically start flame wars on Twitter and talk about Robert Pattinson's love life.

 

He has also made many sexist and xenophobic remarks. It's worrying.

[Dowlphin 463]

Of (realistically) two relatively bad options I consider him definitely the better one. Whether he will make it great (which it never really was, but I know what he means) is what's making this interesting. I think when someone is trying to stonewall some good ideas, he will be able to rely on the support of the People more than previous presidents, because those that voted for him will tendentially be more willing to live the pioneer/DIY spirit and not be slave-minds giving all power to a champion. If he comes under severe fire with really popular ideas, this could be an awesome opportunity to motivate people to get off their couch and actually participate and be interested in politics.

The mere fact of him talking no-bullshit, openly mentioning some things that all the establishment crooks we've seen before would never have, in itself has a lot of power. While he is on one hand "only" the president, he is also on the other hand the frickin' president who is telling the press when they're talking BS. I mean, how awesome is that?

This is the same sincerity I like a lot about Putin, the stark contrast to usual politics.

 

This is a very necessary change. Actual change, not the continuation of past policies with a nice superficial paint coat we have seen so far.

Also, Trump has shown over many years a track record of consistently actually being worried about / bothered by the direction his country is taking.

 

The only reasons many people still favored Clinton, in my view, is one or both of this:

1) Supporting the corruption by having a corrupt, convenient egotistical mind. Basically preferring convenient slavery over inconvenient freedom. I.e. immaturity. Popular support for the problem. Involving political correctness used as a weapon to suffocate any open and sincere discourse.

2) Making decisions based on false information; that false information being one symptom of the very reason not to support Clinton, because she is part of an establishment that is lying to the people all the time and is still doing now, albeit while being called out for it by Trump.

 

It is based in open facts when I say Clinton is unfit for the job due to being a warmongering, career-fanatic, terrorism-supporting, lying criminal.

Normally a president acquires such a record DURING their time in office, not BEFORE, so the choice is really easy.

 

One should also let the people speak and not listen to the paid liars trying to speak (lies) for them. A striking number of racial minority groups support Trump. The whole racism thing is just another attempt at slander.

 

Of course anybody could imagine a better president than a Donald Trump, but the People didn't do a better job as responsible and mature citizens, so they cannot expect better options.

Then again, things can be deceiving and people need to understand what's important: Sanders has some appalling flaws just like Trump. While I consider myself a socialist at heart, I have more trust in e.g. Ron Paul than in Sanders, despite Paul being more capitalism-oriented.

Ron Paul would have been terrific as foreign or financial minister, and while it doesn't look like he'd be part of Trump's team, I'd be wondering why not. He's in the same party even and trustworthy. But I guess Trump has his own little establishment with personal trust connections and loyalties and people he knows from experience he can work with and get stuff done. (Still hoping for Paul to be on the team though. Would be gigantic bonus points for Trump and surely motivate Paul to give 110%, it being like a late reward for all his efforts.)

 

I.e. if you're still believing the lying scumbag media, now you have no excuse anymore. (Actually, it was pretty well-known a long time ago that they're mere government propaganda organs.)

Edited November 17, 2016 by Dowlphin

[Ra1nbowCrasH 272]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/officials-150-us-border-agents-south-texas-43492259

 

He's even in office yet and we're already seeing an improvement on the US-Mexico border!

[Vulcan 3,254]

Do I like Trump?...I disliked both candidates equally and wanted Jill Stein to win

 

Him making America "great" again would depend on your definition of "Greatness" 

 

If your ideals of greatness happen to line up with the Republican Party then probably, 

 

Otherwise the poor and disenfranchised, The minorities and the migrants, and to a certain extent the sick and dying....may see a very distinct yet minor drop in quality of life for the next few years...

 

I believe the environment will suffer the most out of this as EPA regulations are going to be struck down left and right...

 

His Tax plan would also leave the government  trillions in dollars in debt...Which sounds terrifying O_O 

[Ra1nbowCrasH 272]

NO.

 

I felt my stomach and heart pool into my feet when I saw that Trump won the election. 

 

I think we're royally screwed; not only is Trump racist, sexist, nationalist, and pretty much any other 'ist' you can think of, he's just too RICH.

 

I'm not saying that wealthy people are inherently bad--not in the least--however, I believe it should be illegal for someone with such an insanely high net worth to run for the highest office in the country.

The unfortunate truth is that money is power. A rich president can bribe and blackmail much more easily than a less wealthy individual.

 

I kind of feel like a man on death row--I'm just fearfully awaiting the end.

What exactly is wrong with nationalism? Is it wrong to believe that a government's responsibility is to its own people first and foremost?

 

Do I like Trump?...I disliked both candidates equally and wanted Jill Stein to win

 

Him making America "great" again would depend on your definition of "Greatness"

 

If your ideals of greatness happen to line up with the Republican Party then probably,

 

Otherwise the poor and disenfranchised, The minorities and the migrants, and to a certain extent the sick and dying....may see a very distinct yet minor drop in quality of life for the next few years...

 

I believe the environment will suffer the most out of this as EPA regulations are going to be struck down left and right...

 

His Tax plan would also leave the government  trillions in dollars in debt...Which sounds terrifying O_O

 

America is already ~$15 trillion in debt. That's the problem with a government controlled central bank that exists solely to loan money to the government. The US dollar is the reserve currency of most of the world, we are the definition of too big to fail. The powers that be wouldn't allow America to default on its debts, it would cause a global economic collapse on a scale greater than the Great Depression.

Edited November 17, 2016 by Ra1nbowCrasH

[Anneal 2,197]

The 1900s were when women suffrage in a lot of Europe and colonies. France is an old, old, old land. I guess they were not ever great because most of their history has non French put down. Despite being a cultural inspiration from B.C to Japan and in some ways a symbol of liberation to many. Who fought to help the US even survive.

What matters is what you do in the now. If you act the same as a barbarian back then,then you are treated like it. If you advance yourself, you are marvelous and deserve redemption.

Let's not mention that some countries we would consider developed in Europe took until the 40s or even the 70s to actually grant women the right to vote. France took until 1945, Greece took until 1952, Monaco took until 1962, and Switzerland took until 1971. Yes, it took longer for a few certain countries in Europe than it took for the US to go through second wave feminism. Compared to many countries, the US was pretty early in giving women the right to vote, and even decades before there were already states that gave women the right to do so anyway.

 

Also, most countries never had to deal with significant minorities in their own country, and even the US was pretty quick on striking down segregation. Some countries never tolerated their colonial people way until they declared independence in the 60s and 70s. To this day the French and the Czech are still considerably more intolerant:

 

https://assets.goodstatic.com/s3/magazine/assets/556604/original/Race_Map.jpg=s1600x1900

 

And even "racism" maps show that you're likely to see more racists in the Appalachians and Ohio than the South:

 

 

Which goes to say the times of racism, sexism, and even homophobia is behind us.

[Dowlphin 463]

@Minccino

And then there's the fact that puts things in a grander perspective that Egypt had equal rights for women thousands of years ago.

The so-called modern world likes to sell things as absolute novelties because people have a short historical memory, so it works.

[Vulcan 3,254]

 

 

America is already ~$15 trillion in debt. That's the problem with a government controlled central bank that exists solely to loan money to the government. The US dollar is the reserve currency of most of the world, we are the definition of too big to fail. The powers that be wouldn't allow America to default on its debts, it would cause a global economic collapse on a scale greater than the Great Depression.

 

While I agree that Bankruptcy will likely not be something that occurs within Trump's term (Nor any presidents term for that matter) ....Having a couple trillion dollar increase in national debt is never a good thing for the U.S. economy, It's a short fix that'll speed up the economy for awhile but then leave a lasting negative impact.

 

Also I agree that the US dollar at its current state is the reserve currency of most of the world,however It's been steadily declining since 2002, so while it's current state may be "too big to fail", It's getting smaller....and whether or not the rate of it's decline will be affected by the trillion dollar increase in debt....I can't really say for certain...but it's somewhat worrying O_o

[Zyrael 1,471]

The 1900s were when women suffrage in a lot of Europe and colonies. France is an old, old, old land. I guess they were not ever great because most of their history has non French put down. Despite being a cultural inspiration from B.C to Japan and in some ways a symbol of liberation to many. Who fought to help the US even survive.

 

What matters is what you do in the now. If you act the same as a barbarian back then,then you are treated like it. If you advance yourself, you are marvelous and deserve redemption.

 

 

 

 

I believe the environment will suffer the most out of this as EPA regulations are going to be struck down left and right...

 

Yeah but who cares about our planet. We have more important things to worry about, like mexicans. THEY'RE RAPING EVERYBODY

[Vulcan 3,254]

 

 

Which goes to say the times of racism, sexism, and even homophobia is behind us.

 

While I've heard of it getting less over the years, This is the first I've heard of it actually being a thing of the past.  

 

I'm a little skeptical, What source is that from? o_o

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,533]

I highly doubt a racist, sexist, arrogant, billionaire businessman is going to make America anything but worse. On top of that, he has the homophobic super-christian Mike Pence at his side, so that is double the horribleness! He wants to stop finding climate change programs, but increase military spending. To him, Mexicans are apparently the worse people ever. He wants to build his idiotic 'wall'. And he wants to stop Syrian refugees from coming here at all. 'Land of the free', what a load of shit.

 

The only silver lining I can find to the next 4 years is that it will be funny to see how much he makes everything worse.

[ARagY 1,152]

 

 

 

 

Yeah but who cares about our planet. We have more important things to worry about, like mexicans. THEY'RE RAPING EVERYBODY

 

The point was why was America or why is America not great? Frankly I'm tired of Americans putting America down. That's the rest of the world's job, as with any place. What, because Trump got elected the country is worthless? It's done some great things and also terrible ones like anywhere else. Can a flawed place never have a greatness to it? We're working off the definition of great being something like tremendous or notable, by the way. Not 'good' or 'bad' because those are bad terms to use.

[CheeryFox 23,821]

No. We'd need another JFK to do that. 

[Connie 320]

I'm not 100% sure if he'll be able to do everything he says he wants to do, but he's hot, so yeah that's great

[Dowlphin 463]

No. We'd need another JFK to do that. 

You gotta move step-by-step, and it's definitely a step vaguely in the right direction, unlike the alternative would have been, which has brought the country to where it is now. The last president the people elected was Obama. Twice. He had eight years. So how comes that now they elected Trump and not more of the same?

Because the Obama administration laid the foundation with their policies.

 

First black president promised change.

Rich old white guy president brings it.

Refreshing irony. ^^

 

I.e. if you go by superficialities and cheap tricks, you're gonna be fooled. If all the Democrats have in their repertoire is the race and gender card (and that laughable attempt based on naming - John F. Kerry - LOL), then it is easy to do better.

 

First people laughed about the idea of a Trump presidency.

Then they fought it.

...

Sounds familiar?

 

The next president could be better, but to maximize the chances of that we gotta support this one's good ideas first and not create vicious drama over some that sound bad. If we sabotage this presidency, we will set the bar low for the next.

Edited November 17, 2016 by Dowlphin

[Fractured 2,684]

I don't think he will. When it comes to his policies, I think they're too extreme. When it comes to his moral character, I think it's deplorable. When it comes to his political knowledge, I think it's disparagingly absent. All in all, I really don't have a single reason to trust that he can do what he says.

 

...On the other hand, since his time after winning the election, he's cut back a little on some of his extremism. He actually held a rational conversation with Obama, and has rescinded some of his opinions about the Clintons (though whether that's true or not remains to be seen, fair). He also genuinely seems concerned about what to do now that he's actually taken office, and has to run the country now, instead of just talking about it.

 

...All in all, he reminds me of a child flailing around for the answers to the big questions. Which understandably makes for a poor president, but at the same time, means that he's receptive, and he could potential mold himself into a great president, if given half the chance. And I, even though i'm not quite happy with the results, i'm willing to sit down and give him that chance.

 

..."Can Trump Make America Great Again?" is the question. And my response is, I don't have the tiniest blasted idea. But he could.

 

Edit:
Pretty pertinent video, I believe:

Edited November 17, 2016 by Fractured

[Connie 320]

You think Donald Trump is hot?  :ninja:

 

Yeah, he's cute and sexy in a strange way

 

 

daddy

 

Melania is a lucky woman

Edited November 17, 2016 by Neon Lights

[Leere 8,291]

I have my doubts

I think at the very least Trump will be a OK president

But who knows? maybe the Trump supporters are right and America will flourish into a new golden age now that he is president

Or maybe the democrates are right and America will become an hellhole

Either way this next 4 years will be very, very interesting

[Techno Universal 2,575]

NOPE!!! He will instead make America go bankrupt!!! Possibly...

[zerox 1,123]

Is anyone afraid that he will back out of the climate change agreement?

[Kaneki 1,073]

NOPE!!! He will instead make America go bankrupt!!! Possibly...

 

Pretty damn close to it already, anyway, and it's not all Trump's fault...

 

But does anyone else think he'll be like many other presidents, and have his good parts and his downfalls? If so, more good or more bad?

[AaronMk 280]

There is one man and one man only who can make 'Merica great again.

 

 

And he's dead.

[GrimGrimoire 4,973]

No one person can make America great.

 

The only people who can make America great are the American people themselves.

[AlbaTross 1,586]

He can try. Clinton at least would have known how to handle the job but I don't know if Trump can. America royally screwed itself but I'm just glad I don't live in that country. I'm the most afraid of Trump's stances on the environment, NAFTA and ISIS. I don't think a joke candidate like Trump was ever going to make America great again, but here's hoping he doesn't do too much damage that can't be undone by a more qualified candidate in 2020. At least he can't possibly be that much worse than Bush. I don't believe he's capable of bringing about an apocalypse so there's that. I'm sure the world will survive four years of Trump but here's hoping the US will learn from their mistake and vote against him next time.