planning Fractured Futures: World Building OOC

[Denim&Venöm 18,730]

Me thinks spike shouldn't be in the city.  Sometime during 100 years I'd imagine Spike having to reasonable dragon size. While yes, Twi is his sister/mom of sorts, he wouldn't want to stay her assistant forever. He'd want to graduate and see the world. I'd also imagine he would want to help Twi, but I don't think he'd condone what Lektra is doing.  Spike maybe naive and clumsy at times, but he's also someone who sticks to his guns. So I'd imagine him wandering the land, trying to do his own good, rebuild the dragon colony w/ Ember if she survived,m or try to be peace maker w/ the changeling empire (what happened to Throax?)

As for the Crystal Empire, I had the idea that they're still around but Cadence has locked the region down on quarentine. No pony in or out. It's a mystery what happens up there. Are they biding their time? Are they all dead? Or did something else happen up there? Soemthign to think about. 

I thought we were going w/ Celestia & Luna being nomads? Wondering peace makers giving aid where they could and trying not to blow their own cover. 

For my storm lands faction, I kinda need a way for them to be able to hold their own. Cause right now a loose collection of races charging into battle mad max style, when we have two futuristic metropoli and millions of mutant cyborg beasts roaming the land, kinda breaks the suspension of disbelief. 

Also, question for the overall future of the RP, are we playing towards an end game? One event that concludes the RP. Cause I'd rather this not meander and grind to a halt once we start loosing people over time. I'd like us to craft a begging, middle and end to this. And if so, should this end be Equestria pulled back from the brink, or is this only the beginning of the end?

 

[Brobot 1,436]

4 minutes ago, Lektra Bolt said:

We missed this. Uh, @GoldieS? 

Hey I'm going to catch up to you guys so I might not post for a few minutes 

[GoldieS 679]

@Denim&Venom

The main point of me starting this thread, was to create a persistent world system that we could pursue multiple RPs within, and have the continuity carry over. Where someone can take the information, and make something of it themselves and continue on. For the world itself, there won't be a defined ending. However, for the various RPs we have, yes they do have definitive ends that change the state of our world. No one has to stick around within it though, it lasts as long as it lasts. 

@Lektra Bolt @woodchunks66

Thorax is still around, though kept alive through different means (you know, main character and all that). I'd like to have him within my Changeling Empire, leader of House Cancer (name work in progress) former House Chrysalis. I believe his city will be in the badlands, though I haven't given it much thought as of yet. 

Edited November 30, 2017 by GoldieS

[GoldieS 679]

He he, more like the astrological sign to you and me... but the changelings see 'reformed changelings' as well... a cancer... they see the reformed ones as phase zero, while there are traditionally four phases of 'evolution', they drop to the bottom. But, they still have a use, so they send their changelings that change to the reformed state to the Equestrian badlands with the others of their kind. 

Edited December 1, 2017 by GoldieS

[Denim&Venöm 18,730]

6 minutes ago, Lektra Bolt said:

I'd like to not have a definite plan in mind, but I assume everyone has their own agendas, like ours.

Also did you like how I described our military setup on the previous page? Caught up? Sorry forgot mentions

Works fine for me. With such resources, and the cunning of War Master General Luster Bolt,  BSI could quash any resistance. Which makes me concerned that they may be too OP. I mean, who other than Techno or a sudden massive charge off the nano-beasts can stand up to Lektra? It'd be like the mongol empire doing battle with the soviet union. 

Speaking of great empires, what ranks do Lektra and Luster have in the city and in relation to Twi? Yes, Twi is still Princess but Lektra would have to have soem official rank, and Luster would need some form of political designation in addition to her military one.

[GoldieS 679]

@Denim&Venom @Lektra Bolt 

Wow now! Hold your britches! The changeling Empire's still a threat now! I gots me some Hexapods, Sprayers, Destroyers, a bunch of things with annihilators at the end of em! You won't be overpowered... not on my watch!!

[Brobot 1,436]

 

23 minutes ago, GoldieS said:

He he, more like the astrological sign to you and me... but the changelings see 'reformed changelings' as well... a cancer... they see the reformed ones as phase zero, while there are traditionally four phases of 'evolution', they drop to the bottom. But, they still have a use, so they send their changelings that change to the reformed state to the Equestrian badlands with the others of their kind. 

@GoldieS would you mind if I take control of the remnants??

Wait never mind could I be in control of los Pegasus I have a plan

Edited December 1, 2017 by woodchunks66

[Denim&Venöm 18,730]

@Lektra Bolt So just CEO or Chair-mare Lektra bolt then? Kay.

Okay so I guess the playing field maybe more level, but how should the Storm Lands faction compete? The only thing I can think of on their side would be unconventional tactics and long term strategy. 

[GoldieS 679]

@woodchunks66 @Denim&Venom

I'm not sure if Denim wanted to maintain control over the Storm Lands, you'd have to discuss it with them. On another note, perhaps the Remnants can be more of a heavy industry type faction. Not necessarily in a super destroy the ecosystem kind of way, just tech that relies on heavy machinery and thick metals and stuff, if that makes sense. 

@Lektra Bolt 

And how dare you! Zerg, maybe... but Borg!? insult! herumph! There are things I would like to say about your little city state... but I agreed to remain civil... herumph!

[Denim&Venöm 18,730]

@Lektra Bolt

So since Lektra refuses to take any official authority role, Luster would jump on the chance. She would be the Grand Vizier of The Equestrian Kingdom and Military Governess of the city state of New Everfree, second only to the princess, as she's the only one who can officially order her around. Luster only obeys Lektra out of gratitude and respect, but she could choose to disobey at any time in theory, since Lektra has no official authority. 

[GoldieS 679]

@Lektra Bolt @Denim&Venom 

No!! Don't do it Lektra! this is the last step to you know what, don't give in! I will forever make fun of your city state as a you know what and liken it to that place that shall not be named! I was kidding at first, but this'll do it! This'll push it over the edge if you make Luster the Grand Vizier!!

[GoldieS 679]

@Lektra Bolt

Giving Luster the power they asked for would literally make Everfree City the again... literal... definition of a dictatorship. I was messing with you at first, it's close, but not exactly. Maybe a civilian dictatorship though... compulsory service or conscription has nothing to do with it, it's all based off of who's in power, and how they go about maintaining that power (voluntary or otherwise). 

Think about it, as it is, the military section dominates as you said 70% of the population. That lifestyle and culture would without a doubt carry over to civilian life if those were the numbers. Plus, you never really mentioned anything about your government system, other than that Lektra's power was maintained with a cult of personality, or as you put it, a living deity. So... that's already an autocracy if nothing else. Are there elections or perhaps a senate of some sort? 

[GoldieS 679]

I'm not sure why you and techno are bent on creating these perfect utopias because... well... it's impossible. I highlighted the flaws in his, and I'm highlighting the flaws in yours as well. It doesn't matter what your type of government is called... it shouldn't, since this is just our world that we made to enjoy. I didn't pick my weird changelings because I thought they were perfect... I chose them because I thought they'd be fun to manage. I mean seriously, they're basically nice slavers and horrible supremacists that probably live in a communist society (even though I cant stand the word IRL)... there are so many flaws in them you probably need a whole thread to point them all out. 

But the flaws are what make our creations vulnerable, they're what cause strife and conflict in story telling. They're the crack in the armor, the missing scale on the dragon's belly. You may certainly try to cover it up and hide it, but it will always be there. Plus, I won't allow invincibility in our game, even if it is on a cultural scale. Not even in the far more tame show was their society invincible. 

Does that explain things from my end? I'm not trying to be a troll here. 

Edited December 1, 2017 by GoldieS

[GoldieS 679]

How do you mean? Faction wise?

[GoldieS 679]

Invulnerability... not in the literal sense... more figurative, as in you want it to be a perfect society that doesn't crack to anything. Where everyone is perfect and on the same page, and no one disagrees. 

[GoldieS 679]

I guess a better explanation of what I'm trying to get across is this: I want you to think of every citizen in this game as an individual, rather than a faceless number or npc that has a pre-programmed path, even those under your control. Different needs, different expectations, different goals and desires that sort of thing. Some might agree with Luster's methods while others might disagree. What would happen if the city found out Luster was doing the things they say they're planning on doing? Would they blindly follow lektra because she's the face, or would they stick by their principles and follow Luster? What if some want to give aid to another city, while others think they don't deserve it? What if some think Lektra isn't doing enough to actually get rid of the infected, and what if others don't want to be cramped in a city for the rest of their lives, but want a stable life outside?

[GoldieS 679]

okay, okay, makes sense I suppose... but what if I don't want to leave? What if I lived in the city my whole life, I entered into the legions to defend against the hordes, went out and made sacrifices, saw my allies die, and I see Lektra telling Luster that all they're doing is wrong. I think it's not right, and I bring it up to everyone. I say I agree with Luster, not Lektra, because I followed Luster into battle on numerous occasions. In fact, 70% of the population sees Luster as a hero, someone they know and can look up to as a protector of peace. I've never seen Lektra before... I think she built a building or something... 

I can't leave... I wont' survive out there... but I can't just let this stand... what can I do? 

[Techno Universal 2,575]

8 hours ago, GoldieS said:

@Techno Universal @Lektra Bolt

Okay, okay, so Troneon is essentially mostly static defense, while New Everfree sounds like it has a thick elastic defense with some static. New Everfree is sounding more and more like a military dictatorship than anything else... not that I mind of course! Also, everyone feel free to take a look at your city on the first page to make sure I got things right. I'll add a military section for your respective cities as well. 

also...

On the subject of guns and shields, what exactly will our stances be on those? Will projectile weapons be a common thing or are they more rare, or what's everyone's thought on that? Personally I was going to use flamethrower like abilities and beam type magical projection (like Lektra's towers). Thoughts?

Well I was thinking that Troneon would have a 25 meter tall wall around the city but there would also be an energy shield around the city just like the shield around Canterlot. Though the shield would be electricity generated by emitters that are on the wall and the top of the tallest building in the city. Basically the tallest building in the city is perfectly in the centre of the circular shaped city area and the antenna on top of it is a shield generator. Plus Techno's control room would be in the top of the tallest building and that's where Techno would be 95% of the time. Now in the city there would be automated plasma gun turrets everywhere and some of those turrets would be extremely high powered lasers. The lasers would be powerful enough to instantly incinerate anything in the beam and the lasor turrets would only be along the exterior walls of the city as otherwise they would do damage to the city itself if they were used inside the city.

[GoldieS 679]

Then I'd like to know how Lektra doesn't know about what Luster has been doing... you're also missing the point. 

Edited December 1, 2017 by GoldieS

[GoldieS 679]

well... you did, quite a few posts ago. But again, you're missing the point. I could make a similar argument for the other 30% of the population that doesn't agree with these methods. The reverse is equally likely. 

A trader finds out what's been going on, that join or die method. Tells everyone what's going on, plus all those other refugees that know the truth, but decided to join out of fear who can corroborate the traders story. That thirty percent gets all uppity, demanding something change. What's Twilight going to say... she clearly will not support that methodology, any method that sacrifices others lives that is. That 70% from earlier still support Lustra and Lektra now, so all they'll see is one of those stupid alicorns trying to ruin everything again. 

So... let's say Lektra and Lustra capitulate, and agree to stop. That 70% will just see their fellow soldiers and heroes being brought down by someone who they think doesn't deserve authority because they don't really do anything from their perspective. You think they'll just stand for that or try to shut up that other 30%? What will they do to silence their opinions, or Twilight's overruling? Then... how will the 30% retaliate?

[GoldieS 679]

You are seriously missing the point. Also, techno's already embraced that side of his faction, he's fully aware of the flaws. 

It's not about the killing or any of that, it's about the individualism. You are claiming that all the people in your city think exactly the same think. Can you give me an example, in all of history, in any season of MLP, where everyone thought exactly the same thing, in exactly the same way? 

Also, please don't make me go back and quote the join or die thing... that would take a lot of time and effort, and I'm pretty certain Denim made that exact comment. 

[GoldieS 679]

this entire conversation is EXTREMELY suspicious... just read it over again, maybe you'll get where I'm coming from on the join or die thing. 

So, the point is, what's a paradise for you might not be for someone else. A paradise for some is a nightmare for others. Some want to do more, some want to do less. Some want others to do something a different way, while others want to keep doing things the same way. Others feel so strongly about those things, they can't just ignore it. Yet, they don't just want to throw their life away (leave the city). 

[GoldieS 679]

Very well. 

However, I'd like to offer an alternative and a warning. 

Instead of kicking them out of the city for voicing dissenting opinions, might I suggest a forum or debate hall? A place where residents may go to vent their frustrations and discuss their ideas without being labeled a traitor and being executed. Do remember, traveling alone in the wild lands here is virtually a death sentence. 

I mention the top cus I don't think the main six would stick around if they knew ponies could be executed for dissension or rable rousing. At least when they were banished there was plausible deniability. But if the law states a two strike law, followed by execution if they refuse to leave? I don't think they would stick around... I don't even think Applejack would have lasted more than a few years with her stubbornness and attitude. 

 

Also, still interested in that casual Changeling visitor RP? I'd love to get that going today, explore the city, begin phase one of the super ultimate invasion plan, meet the locals, see the sights, you know. 

Edited December 1, 2017 by GoldieS

[Denim&Venöm 18,730]

@Lektra Bolt @GoldieS

I think the point gold is trying to make is that new everfree is turning what's supposed to be the apacolypse into a cozy catastrophe. There isn't much struggle or adversity or at least a catch that comes with such contentment. You're making the city too perfect. It's a refuge, not a utopia. 

So life shouldn't be perfect. It should be better, compared to life outside, but not on the level of how we live today. It's not the best, but the residence don't want to loose what little comfort is left. A minimalist, utilitarian state. Somewhere between north Korea and isreal. 

Also, lektra shouldn't be with luster in battle. The president doesn't join his generals in combat. They have a country to run.

[GoldieS 679]

@Lektra Bolt

There are other tasks Lektra would need to do other than just fighting. And it isn't to say she won't be dragged into those sorts of conflicts during our RPs either. Remember, I intend on attacking and destroying a large portion of your city at some point, if it gets serious enough, she won't be able to avoid fighting in that instance. Maybe in anothe RP she travels with a delegation to another city and the transport is attacked, leaving only a few (Lektra and the other players) left to survive in the wilds until they find their way to their destination? There's always ways around the rules, but off screen she might just be too valuable to go out adventuring and waste her time fighting, if that makes sense.

Also... I could always kidnap her!

Edited December 1, 2017 by GoldieS