Tulpa Discussion Thread V1.2

[Chigens and Kay 3,832]

The only problem is that it's "permanent", which makes it hard to just "try it and see what happens", since you can't back out of it afterwards.  I think some kind of study showing that it's safe and proving the science behind it would ease a lot of fears and make people more open to the idea.

 

Tulpae are not permanent. They can easily die if not given enough attention and can always be killed off in the same way.

 

Although if you are going into it with the thought of killing it somewhere down the line I would recommend against "trying" it.

[KruegerMeister 54]

The reason I asked about peer-reviews is because I told one of my friends about tulpas, and he said that it seemed cool. After I told him about the creepypasta, he reached the conclusion that he should "try to help tulpas get some good press". He started writing a paper on tulpas, and asked me if there was any objective proof he could include in his paper.

 

Given what you guys have said, the only "proof" I can see aside from delving into tulpamancy oneself is having blind faith that tulpas are possible. As for tulpas being a psychological phenomenon that can't be observed by anyone other than the one experiencing it, didn't people say the same about hypnosis and lucid dreaming?

 

One of the things I constructively criticized was the apparent lack of critical thinking on his part (he didn't bother to check the validity of my information). Does this community frown on critical thinking? Can thinking critically about one's tulpa lead to a logical paradox or some other thing that makes them poof out of existence (this isn't intended as an attack on anypony here, or on tulpamancers in general)?

[Luffstups 150]

The only problem is that it's "permanent", which makes it hard to just "try it and see what happens", since you can't back out of it afterwards.

As Chigens and Kay (or I guess just Chigens?) said, it's not actually permanent. You could easily go into creating a tulpa with a personality geared towards being happy to have a small purpose and having fulfilled it, in that it helped you verify the reality of "tulpamancy" and then was dissipated. The tulpa isn't sad, you don't have to feel guilty, etc. I mean, I would feel a little guilty just because, but you wouldn't, logically, need to. I suppose.

 

Given what you guys have said, the only "proof" I can see aside from delving into tulpamancy oneself is having blind faith that tulpas are possible. As for tulpas being a psychological phenomenon that can't be observed by anyone other than the one experiencing it, didn't people say the same about hypnosis and lucid dreaming?

 

One of the things I constructively criticized was the apparent lack of critical thinking on his part (he didn't bother to check the validity of my information). Does this community frown on critical thinking? Can thinking critically about one's tulpa lead to a logical paradox or some other thing that makes them poof out of existence (this isn't intended as an attack on anypony here, or on tulpamancers in general)?

As far as your first paragraph there, I suppose it's possible somehow or some way to maybe differentiate in which parts of the brain are being used when you or your tulpa are talking, or something. I have no idea, but the fact that I can physically understand and feel the experience means that I'm not really looking for any proof or to prove it to anybody. I would imagine most people feel largely the same way.

 

Does thinking critically about my tulpa cause her to go poof? No, of course not. I don't frown on critical thinking about anything-- I encourage it. The fact of the matter in my case was that I hadn't grown up enough to try and critically think about creating a tulpa. I didn't even know what I was doing had a name at the time. I just did it because the prospect of the idea was interesting to me and I thought it was worth trying. Then it worked, and I ended up with a tulpa, and at that point no need for proof existed any longer.

 

I don't think anyone should just jump into creating a tulpa for the sake of verification to themselves that it's a real concept, but if you want proof, that's the only way I can think of to get it. It's not something that's easy to prove to someone else because it's not an external phenomena. Yes, I know, you mentioned lucid dreaming and whatever, but I'm not a scientist, nor do I have the ability/equipment/contacts to get it properly researched and turn up data.

 

Also, don't think I'm attacking you either. You've asked a valid question-- just trying to answer it thoroughly and help you get something satisfactory out of it (because I don't think the answer you actually want- incontrovertible proof- exists).

[KruegerMeister 54]

If you want to get technical, there's no incontrovertible proof of anything. People can always deny, for example, that we really landed on the moon; if you look for evidence to support your argument, you'll find it. Thanks for your input, but I was asking if the community as a whole frowned on critical thinking/analysis and/or skepticism/doubt.

[Luffstups 150]

If you want to get technical, there's no incontrovertible proof of anything. People can always deny, for example, that we really landed on the moon; if you look for evidence to support your argument, you'll find it. Thanks for your input, but I was asking if the community as a whole frowned on critical thinking/analysis and/or skepticism/doubt.

It's just sort of an impossible question to ask, is all. You can't ask the entire community, really, and if you could, they'd all probably say they do practice critical thinking. There's not likely to be many people who would admit to not thinking critically about everything. Hopefully one of these other fellas in this thread will weigh in, it'd be interesting to have their input.

[KruegerMeister 54]

Is there any deeper meaning to where head-pressures are felt? Do tulpas have a choice where the pressure is when they try to communicate, or is it random?

[AstralAmity 416]

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Edited October 29, 2021 by AstralAmity

[Luffstups 150]

 Just ignore this edit, I've become self-conscious that someone I know is going to find this account.

Edited November 11, 2015 by Lifeinsteps

[Midnight Gaze 131]

So, yesterday I started forcing. It was only for about thirty minutes, though. Her name will be Cherry Socata-a character that I use a lot in play-by-post roleplays-and I already know what she'll look like.

Edited September 21, 2014 by Midnight Gaze

[KruegerMeister 54]

Hey Teckie, why's your cutie mark a tesseract? I feel kind of awkward about having two fully grown pony tulpas, neither of whom have cutie marks.

 

[it's just you. I'm fine with not having a cutie mark.]

 

{Maybe we should try some soul-searching.}

[AstralAmity 416]

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Edited October 29, 2021 by AstralAmity

[KruegerMeister 54]

...I could only understand about half of what you just said, Teckie. Inception...conception...pinkie turned into you turned into pinkie...wha? How are you okay with not knowing who turned into who?

 

[i don't think there are any alternate versions of me. There...might be tulpas with the form/name of Rainbow Dash, but that's it.]

 

{O.O Why *looks at his body*...did you change like that? That's kind of...I'M a stallion OC!}

 

Does form connect to personality? Because all personality is (at least for us humans, but maybe for tulpas too), is just the effect/amalgam of memories. Change one, and I think the other changes.

[Golurk 468]

I need to ask you guys a question.

 

I first found out about this around 2.5 years ago. It took me around half a year to make up my mind, but after that, I knew this would be so beneficial I couldn't not do it.

 

The problem is, since then, I've tried countless times, and all attempts have been met with failure. This is partly due to my life being exceedingly hectic (by my standards) over this time period, partly due to my own nervousness about doing something wrong, and partly due to my apparent inability to do something consistently. 

 

As a result, I'm thinking of just giving up. This is something that I really don't want to do, and would have a hard time forgiving myself for, but I'm starting to think I don't have a choice. If I haven't made any progress in 2 years, perhaps I just never will.

 

So, I'd like to ask everyone here: Given the circumstances, what should I do? For me, there is no sure-win option. Either I go on and most likely fail again, or give up having wasted two years of my life. Which is the lesser of these two evils?

[Naiya The Brony 483]

I need to ask you guys a question.

 

I first found out about this around 2.5 years ago. It took me around half a year to make up my mind, but after that, I knew this would be so beneficial I couldn't not do it.

 

The problem is, since then, I've tried countless times, and all attempts have been met with failure. This is partly due to my life being exceedingly hectic (by my standards) over this time period, partly due to my own nervousness about doing something wrong, and partly due to my apparent inability to do something consistently. 

 

As a result, I'm thinking of just giving up. This is something that I really don't want to do, and would have a hard time forgiving myself for, but I'm starting to think I don't have a choice. If I haven't made any progress in 2 years, perhaps I just never will.

 

So, I'd like to ask everyone here: Given the circumstances, what should I do? For me, there is no sure-win option. Either I go on and most likely fail again, or give up having wasted two years of my life. Which is the lesser of these two evils?

Hmm... I'm no expert but If you're talking about Tulpaforcing and haven't succeeded. Why not try the Pony hypnosis thing? If you haven't try it out. I mean if you really want to make a tulpa why not make an accidental tulpa on purpose? I've been watching that thread for like a year now and I say One of the accidentally made a fluttershy tulpa for 2 months. Though this is only an option IF you wanna continue but if you really want to give up well.. that's your decision

[Time Shield 402]

Hmm... I'm no expert but If you're talking about Tulpaforcing and haven't succeeded. Why not try the Pony hypnosis thing? If you haven't try it out. I mean if you really want to make a tulpa why not make an accidental tulpa on purpose? I've been watching that thread for like a year now and I say One of the accidentally made a fluttershy tulpa for 2 months. Though this is only an option IF you wanna continue but if you really want to give up well.. that's your decision

 

Bear in mind that it's usually better NOT to base a tulpa off of an existing character, so doing it through the hypnosis may give a chance for success but still wouldn't be the ideal way to do it.

[Naiya The Brony 483]

Bear in mind that it's usually better NOT to base a tulpa off of an existing character, so doing it through the hypnosis may give a chance for success but still wouldn't be the ideal way to do it.

 

 

Yeah good point Thought if you think about it, if you base the tulpa on an existing character, wouldn't you have to tell the truth somehow to her, RIght? You need to have the courage to tell the truth to her, If she finds out where she came from that is. Then you have to build the courage to tell her the truth and I know that they love it when their Host are very very honest with them. it might lead to greater relationship to your tulpa because you told her, her existance .

Edited September 22, 2014 by Nihi The Brony

[Visual Spectrum 1,932]

How does one get rid of a tulpa that is unwelcomed. For some reason, there is a Pinkie Pie tulpa. I didn't create her at all. I didn't create Rarity, or Applejack either, but I know how Applejack came to be, so technically me buying the plushie of her caused her to be created, or someone put their Applejack tulpa in the plushie if that's even possible. None of them hurt me or did anything bad. Then there's Pinkie. I like the Pinkie from the show, and what happened will not change my opinions.

 

Trigger warning, so what happened is in the spoilers.

 

 

Pinkie Pie raped me last night. I felt everything. I though tulpae weren't supposed to hurt, so it may be something different.

 

[Golurk 468]

So, I've decided to get a friend of mine to make a couple preliminary designs, in the hope that putting an established face to the idea would help. Not sure how much, but it's better than nothing.

 

Something else that troubles me: a few friends of mine have succeeded at this. But when I ask them for advice on how I should go about it, what they say basically amounts to "Just do it." I, myself, find that advice to be beyond terrible. If you're gonna tell me to do something, at least give me an idea as to how to do it. But no, just do it. Forgive me if this is just me venting frustration, but it gets kind of annoying. 

 

So, here's hoping. Take 57. Action.

[ReverieRiver 526]

So, I've decided to get a friend of mine to make a couple preliminary designs, in the hope that putting an established face to the idea would help. Not sure how much, but it's better than nothing.

 

Something else that troubles me: a few friends of mine have succeeded at this. But when I ask them for advice on how I should go about it, what they say basically amounts to "Just do it." I, myself, find that advice to be beyond terrible. If you're gonna tell me to do something, at least give me an idea as to how to do it. But no, just do it. Forgive me if this is just me venting frustration, but it gets kind of annoying.

 

So, here's hoping. Take 57. Action.

Well, they probably say that because there is NO wrong way to create a tulpa. But also, the method that gives the most results tends to vary from person to person, so there's really no specific way to go about it.

 

In my opinion, though, it all boils down to focused meditation. How people go about this sort of meditation (and visualization) varies, especially when traits are involved. But basically: Relax, clear your mind, and think only about your tulpa. If you wish to give them certain traits, reflect carefully and at length on how these traits affect the tulpa's personality, why those traits exist.

 

If you don't have time for that, narration is always good. Just direct your thoughts as if you were having a conversation with someone - oh, and ask open-ended questions in hopes of a response. It can be something simple like, "The weather's nice today, isn't it?"

 

I hope this helps at least a little, and I wish you the best of luck!

[KruegerMeister 54]

How does one get rid of a tulpa that is unwelcomed. For some reason, there is a Pinkie Pie tulpa. I didn't create her at all. I didn't create Rarity, or Applejack either, but I know how Applejack came to be, so technically me buying the plushie of her caused her to be created, or someone put their Applejack tulpa in the plushie if that's even possible. None of them hurt me or did anything bad. Then there's Pinkie. I like the Pinkie from the show, and what happened will not change my opinions.

 

Trigger warning, so what happened is in the spoilers.

 

 

Pinkie Pie raped me last night. I felt everything. I though tulpae weren't supposed to hurt, so it may be something different.

 

I recommend talking to her about it. I'm guessing that something was misunderstood, and Pinkie thought that she was doing what you wanted her to do. Did you spend a lot of time reading/watching Pinkie-related creepypastas before the incident in question? In my experience, binging media seems to affect one's tulpa, at least temporarily.

 

I understand if you don't want to talk about that in the thread. Feel free to PM me. For the moment, I'll try to take your mind off of it (if that helps) by redirecting the topic:

 

To the best of my knowledge, people can't put their tulpas into plushies and then use the plushie to transfer the tulpa to someone else. How does your Applejack tulpa feel about her origin?

[Visual Spectrum 1,932]

I recommend talking to her about it. I'm guessing that something was misunderstood, and Pinkie thought that she was doing what you wanted her to do. Did you spend a lot of time reading/watching Pinkie-related creepypastas before the incident in question? In my experience, binging media seems to affect one's tulpa, at least temporarily.

 

I understand if you don't want to talk about that in the thread. Feel free to PM me. For the moment, I'll try to take your mind off of it (if that helps) by redirecting the topic:

 

To the best of my knowledge, people can't put their tulpas into plushies and then use the plushie to transfer the tulpa to someone else. How does your Applejack tulpa feel about her origin?

 

I didn't even do anything with Pinkie. She said that I'm going to love her and started raping me. Perhaps she was worried I didn't like her. 

 

Applejack is OK with her origin. She is very friendly and supportive. Tulpa or not, the AJ plushie is creepy. (I love her, but still.) That is nothing to do with tulpae though. 

[KruegerMeister 54]

Do you have any idea why she would be worried about that? Was the rape the very first thing that happened after she appeared?

[Visual Spectrum 1,932]

Would Rainbow Dash be considered a tulpa, or is there something else for someone like a tulpa but rarely appears?

 

Rainbow isn't normally here. She's only here when I need support for something. For example, she often convinces me to keep going when I feel like giving up on a project. For the most part, she's not there.

 

I talked with Pinkie Pie, and I found out she thought I was abandoning her. I did neglect her. I wish she could have showed her anger in a different way, though. 

 

Applejack and Rarity talk to me all the time. Pinkie Pie talks to me sometimes, She forgives me, though. She's reading over my shoulder, by the way. 

[KruegerMeister 54]

I think that your Rainbow Dash--

 

[This is really weird.]

 

--is more like a servitor (I'm not sure if I'm the only one, but I consider servitors to be specialized tulpas, like how someone can be excellent at piano instead of being okay at every instrument).

[Visual Spectrum 1,932]

I'm not sure about that. Rainbow offers support. She doesn't do things for me.