Tulpa Discussion Thread V1.2

[The Weapon 168]

You don't need to if you can't: I have anxeity and Tavi and Adam turned out fine. You just have to make sure your tulpa stays unharmed, no matter what. Letting them deviate if they want to for their own percieved safety is OK. Exploding the wonderland is OK. If your tulpa makes it out unharmed from intrusive thoughts, then you don't NEED to do anything. If you or your tulpa wants to, let your tulpa interfere with intrusive thoughts, such as firing lasers or telekinetically tossing the attacking projectiles away if the vision involves them.

 

Practice and/or mental training makes perfect: Maybe keep your tulpa safe and sound beside you while you imagine repeatedly until you can make a thought that doesn't paranoia.

[~Master~ Button Mash 2,307]

Let me take this one step further, what if I'm what is endangering the new tulpa? Sometimes it feels like my mind form gets possessed, or my mindform's mind gets bombarded with unpleasant images. Like this:

 

Like the scene in Call of Duty: Black Ops, where your character is talking to Kennedy, and you get the sudden mental image of putting a pistol to his head. You're not doing it, but your mind has that sudden obsessive and uncontrolled thought. Kinda like that. I'll be working at forming the tulpa, and my mindform's mind (is there such a thing?) gets an image of the wonderland exploding or my mindform hurting my orb of a tulpa. I think these thoughts are occurring on a level one step deeper than wonderland (I hope to god they are, if I was actually hurting my tulpa I think I'd be sick), but if my mind is having these thoughts, even if they're not directly hurting my tulpa...can't it sense them?

 

It's not sentient yet, hopefully, so I don't think I've done any damage to anybody, but I feel 1) like a monster for even having thoughts like this, 2) fear of moving forward and possibly hurting my tulpa, 3) frustration that I can't even control my own imagination.

Edited December 8, 2012 by Sky Nomad

[The Weapon 168]

Try walls like the police station phonebooths they use. You're on one side, your tulpa is on the other. Make it so you're seatbelted to your side so you can't hurt your tulpa and your tulpa is surrounded by 6 walls, forming a safety cube.

In order to ensure the cube doesn't break up during undesired wonderland nuking, give your tulpa control of it. If the cube collapses into the orb and reforms as the new form, that's okie doki loki... I hope.

Edited December 8, 2012 by The Weapon

[~Master~ Button Mash 2,307]

One thing I have been trying to do also is try to separate my actual mindform, the pleasant mindform I want to be, that I can enjoy life with my tulpa with, from the negative, obsessive source of these thoughts. I'm personifying this force (which I've taken...fittingly...to calling Discord). I'm hoping that once I've visualized him enough I can destroy him and this the thoughts. I'm just worried about him becoming a tulpa himself (a Discord tulpa? *shudders*). Or maybe he already has. God I hope not.

 

Or...maybe I'm over thinking this whole thing...maybe it's just ironic process theory ("Don't think about pink elephants") exacerbated by OCD. By actively not thinking of harm coming to my tulpa, or by trying to protect my tulpa from harm, I am inadvertently having the opposite, undesired effect. Maybe it's cause I'm trying to tulpaform from a negative standpoint (trying to suppress worry about what could happen to it...and that sense of overprotection comes back to bite me in the ass), rather than a positive standpoint (the fun and glory of creating a companion for life).

[The Weapon 168]

There's always forcible suppression, tulpa-removal (Like actual murder, except without a body left and MORE psychological scarring!) and long and slow moral conversion. Discord tulpa: I think it's time you fix your mind with tulpa-based therapy.

 

As in, put Discord on one of those therapist couches while you and your tulpa do psychotherapy psychology stuff on Discord (Who is acting as your subconscious negativity issue), and try to figure out what's wrong and how you can compromise or fix it.

 

Don't trust me though, I'm so insane my tulpae always say I am.

Edited December 8, 2012 by The Weapon

[murkyx 904]

 

One thing I have been trying to do also is try to separate my actual mindform, the pleasant mindform I want to be, that I can enjoy life with my tulpa with, from the negative, obsessive source of these thoughts. I'm personifying this force (which I've taken...fittingly...to calling Discord). I'm hoping that once I've visualized him enough I can destroy him and this the thoughts. I'm just worried about him becoming a tulpa himself (a Discord tulpa? *shudders*). Or maybe he already has. God I hope not. Or...maybe I'm over thinking this whole thing...maybe it's just ironic process theory ("Don't think about pink elephants") exacerbated by OCD. By actively not thinking of harm coming to my tulpa, or by trying to protect my tulpa from harm, I am inadvertently having the opposite, undesired effect. Maybe it's cause I'm trying to tulpaform from a negative standpoint (trying to suppress worry about what could happen to it...and that sense of overprotection comes back to bite me in the ass), rather than a positive standpoint (the fun and glory of creating a companion for life).

This is actually one of the larger problems I've had in the beginning.  But unlike most, I just skipped the wonderland method and went to straight on audible narration and touch-sense imposing.  I think it was the feeling of actually grasping the reality of the Tulpa's creation, the fact that I could almost feel everything right there and not just thinking about it, was what countered my negative thoughts.  Try experimenting with different strategies and see what happens.

 

 

And for personal Tulpa experience today: I had to take the driver's test today at the DMV.  Didn't study.  Not a bit.  Had a huge headache and I felt sick, still went and did it.  

 

I took it, struggled through and I passed.  Suddenly after feeling the relief of passing, Tia popped in by my side and Blackjack on my shoulders and started singing the reprise from the end of the episode.  In my own vision it was like I was in the center of a party with confetti and balloons, and to any average joe watching I was staring blankly all around, grinning like an embarrassed idiot.  Probably would have been funny to see.  It was an awesome surprise.

 

Why do driver's licence pictures always take a picture of you at your worst?  I look like I'm freaking stoned...

[~Master~ Button Mash 2,307]

That's the thing about ironic process theory, forced suppression really doesn't work, especially of you've got OCD, it just makes it worse. I hope that's all this is though, because I have a feeling if I just face it, and review my mindset during forcing, that might rectify the problem. I think I'm being overprotective of my tulpa, and just like a protective parent who always worries about the worst coming to their child, I think this is happening to me. And the more I try to suppress these thoughts, the more they manifest. The more I worry about the worst happening to my tulpa, the more persistent the visions become.

 

Or maybe I could just learn to live with the obsessive anxiety. I mean, just because I get these anxious thoughts about my tulpa doesn't mean that those thoughts are being imparted on the tulpa, right? There can be a separation, right?

 

Again, I'm just glad it's happening now, and not when my tulpa actually gains sentience.

 

Personifying these negative traits/obsessiveness into a Discord tulpa and proceeding to battle it would be a last-ditch option. And it would be just him (Discord) and me, I want him either dealt with or dead before I bring my tulpa into this world.

 

(Or is it possible that I might be right, that my OCD and obsessive negativities might have spawned into a Discord tulpa running amok in my head as we speak?)

Edited December 8, 2012 by Sky Nomad

[NinjaCPU 270]

A small wall of text

 

I think most people starting have this problem. I had that problem the first few days of forcing. I held the blue/purple orb I had created in my right claw (which seems to be the one that I feel the most in wonderland, probably because I do my best to visualize that metal claw arm.) and just shattered the orb into pieces. What I did was "reverse the tape" process in which I just reverse what had just happen to my tulpa reverting it back into it's original state. I apologize (least I think I did and if i didn't I know what I'll say in my next force.) and continue on my way.

 

I think you'll be fine if you just recreate the tulpa or do "reverse the tape." The tulpa should be perfectly fine. Just take a deep breath and relax.

Edited December 8, 2012 by NinjaCPU

[Captain Nemo 164]

Sky - I know exactly what you mean. If I'm trying to visualize, say, a boat speeding along in the water, it'll just start spazzing out and spinning or something, and I can't make it stop.

 

If you're having intrusive thoughts, acknowledge them, and then let them go. Just don't focus on them, and do your best to ignore them. I used to get that stuff all the time, and it doesn't happen any more now. So I guess practice makes perfect?

 

It's not gonna harm your tulpa unless you focus on those things, or actually believe in them, or whatever. If they're intrusive and you want them out of your head, that's enough. Really, it's not a big deal, so don't sweat it.

[Gekoncze 327]

I also had this problem in the beginning (even before creating my first tulpa) and now it happens minimally. The best way to get over it (for me) is ignoring it. What I always do when something like this happens is that I "repaint" everything back as it was before the incident (sometimes I have to repaint more times) and just say "Naughty 'infestors'." and then I try to focus on some other thing. Also you have to belive that it is not hurting anyone - it is just a naughty visualization... nothing more.

Edited December 8, 2012 by Gekoncze

[Arcanel 3,041]

of course you can ^^

 

It is good for tulpa development, but I don't know when one should start with it. Maybe others know it better. Also It is easier to visualize tulpae in lucid dream.

Yahoo!

 

And I see...I should probably search a little bit of that and see if it would really suit me to enter into lucid dreaming to start creating my tulpa. Should I read the forums just in case?

 

And on a sidenote, I love your Spyro 2: Ripto's Rage avvi.

Edited December 9, 2012 by Arcanel

[zDashiez 496]

Despite all the progress Dashie and I have made in the past couple months, I still can't seem to get the colors to stick to her. They still just sorta....melt off of her.
In her words.

I don't "BUCKING" like being seven different shades of gray.
So, does anyone have any advice for us?

 

Edited December 10, 2012 by zRevenantz

[murkyx 904]

Whelp, if any of you are still pursuing Lucid Dreaming, and have a nice bit of cash to spare, I found this baby browsing online...

 

 

 

It's basically a mask that flashes lights into your eyes in deep sleep to force you to Lucid Dream.  I've heard very positive reviews on it, but it will set you back around $95, plus whatever shipping costs there are.  (Though it's so simplistic, if you had the skills you can probably build one for a very small fraction of that price)  So yeah, if you have the funding, just letting you know that this option is available.  It's called Remee, btw, if you need to do research yourself.

 

 

 

Sky - I know exactly what you mean. If I'm trying to visualize, say, a boat speeding along in the water, it'll just start spazzing out and spinning or something, and I can't make it stop.

If you're having intrusive thoughts, acknowledge them, and then let them go. Just don't focus on them, and do your best to ignore them. I used to get that stuff all the time, and it doesn't happen any more now. So I guess practice makes perfect?

It's not gonna harm your tulpa unless you focus on those things, or actually believe in them, or whatever. If they're intrusive and you want them out of your head, that's enough. Really, it's not a big deal, so don't sweat it.

That is EXACTLY what happens in a lot of my Lucid Dreams now and then.  It's like the physics just break and everything keeps spinning out of control...

 

But it doesn't harm Tia or BJ in any way, I don't think.  Does it?

 

*both look at each other and shrug*

 

Also, I'm really getting used to the feeling of possession now, training with it every night.  Blackjack opted out of total possession long ago, but Tia still allows it, and I use her to get into my dreams every night.  (We separate once we're in)  And just so you know, hooves don't really feel as weird as you'd think, or wings, for that matter. (But I still won't trade them for fingers anytime soon...)

Edited December 10, 2012 by Brisineo

[Mindrop 412]

 Wow, I just brohoofed the last 3 of Bris' posts because its Bris, I know what he said was good. And no, I did not read the last two of his (im hungry, and am about to go eat.). 

 

Anyway, today, I get serious about forcing. Its time Twi and I sat down and really talked!!!!! I really need to have a piece of paper in front of me this time!!

[Captain Nemo 164]

Yesterday morning, I audibly heard Pinkie talk! We had both just woken and were still sitting bed, trying to fully wake up. She says something to me, and I actually heard it! Neither of can remember what she said because we were so tired, but I think it was candy related. In any case, it was so awesome!

[Alleviate 342]

I don't check this thread for a few days, and guess what happens? 

3 New pages of stuff to read! Damn these interesting, brilliant people that share their brilliant experiences and thoughtful questions with us! My IT h/w shall suffer because of you! But I'm addicted to this thread, so....Meh...

 

Anyway, enough of my pointless meandering, To Tulpa stuff!

 

Jess has come so far recently, belief is KEY! Remember that, I'll write an essay later full of all my tips and junk which you may or may not find useful...

 

We can speak quite well together now. We never had the 'parroting' problem that some people had/have, Which I'll explain later...

 

We had a conversation about 'drinkies' last night, shame I can't remember it, but if it comes to me, you shall know, for it was brilliant!

 

Our visuals are pretty fluent now, very little unintentional puppeting, although, something interesting has been happening for a while now...

 

I'm just glad ya'll are used to this sorta thing by now..

 

I'll just put it out there: 

I think Jess is tryin' to hint sexiness to me.. 

 

Often, when I visualize her around, she'll behave normally, yet sometimes, she'll either be showing off herself in a quite seductive manner or she'll be a little more 'suggestive' ...Stuff I probably can't write here...Yeah, 'stuff' ...

 

Anyway, We'll be back later, when I've actually done some work...

[Gekoncze 327]

And I see...I should probably search a little bit of that and see if it would really suit me to enter into lucid dreaming to start creating my tulpa. Should I read the forums just in case?

You can, its up to you. Remember that you can find a lot of information on the first page of this thread, but I don't know if there is anything about lucid dreams...

And on a sidenote, I love your Spyro 2: Ripto's Rage avvi.

thanks ^^

[The Weapon 168]

And now Octavia's human actions are quite fluid. Also, she is eating cake. And Dan is currently working on a human form and a second pony form as Vinyl Scratch. Octavia hasn't changed appearance severely yet, so I think she's going to stay Octavia Philharmonica for a while.

[NinjaCPU 270]

Well, time for a big progress report. Yesterday's force was sort of revelations. From some help from other TG threads, I was able to find out that I have created....an accidental tulpa/borderline tulpa. It seem to have manifested from the various conversation I had have over the years.  Well, crap. Seems like it was sort of random and out of left park. I'll go into detail via spoiler of the force itself, but let just say this tulpa is a rather snarky one.

 

 

Well, the wonderland itself change entirely. It all started when a Eight foot Darth Vader broke through the wall and started to attack me(yeah, I dunno. I didn't think of it, blame the blue orb tulpa). After a force push from him, I collected my thoughts and use my bionic arm to grab him and slam him to the other wall. Vader had left a big hole open on top of the left wall. I decide to bring my blue orb (the indevelop tulpa) and go off my way. I use the bionic arm to clutch the wall and jump down to see....an island a mile or two away. I fell down a good job as I crashed into the ocean. The blue orb had already teleported away, I was going to bring up Gurren Lagann, but instead got another giant robot. I said screw it and just teleport to the island.

 

The island was something of enormous size. I was unable to fully navigate the whole area. There was yellow road that clumps of grass around. There were forest outside of the yellow road. I decide that I would start forming my tulpa here. I had already started on the front hooves, I might as well start on the hind legs as well. However, for some reason...when hearing another voice in my head. The same voice I had talk to for a long time, the one I thought was just my quick parroting. I went and decide to create a form for it. It was a basic box with a parallelogram for a head (meaing the head incline). It had wheels and I added large red eyes. I detach my right hand and gave it code to transfer the servitor data or something. I don't remember, it took a while.

 

After moving left and right out of the roads, dodging cars out of the way. The process was done and I got my hand back. The robot had grown arms and changed their red eyes until small yellow eyes. I decide to let it be (since changing it seem to create a negative effect for most people on here) and toward a museum. A rather boring trip, just walk in and saw darkness and the endless wall/ceiling.

 

I thought to myself if I could create some kind of beach around here. So what I did was run out of the museum and jump off the cliff. Another long drop as I hit the water. A area of sand was around, so I went and swam to it. Got there and than just went into a cave. Defeated a creature in which I can't really describe and an eagle. I got back up onto the island...and than Homer Simpsons held a gun at me...The robot saved me with a swift tackle. That's how the force ended.

 

 

There was more to the story, but I think I gave enough wall of texts. The robot started to talk outside of my head more and more. We still haven't had a full conversation, he just gives remarks every now and than. He's starting to become more vocal, so that's good.

 

I also did have a force today where I start to make the form for the in-develop tulpa (I called her Naomi.). Things got rather perverted to say the least. A lot of things that would be rather suggestive here. I won't go into full detail (well, maybe...but not now. I'm bloody tired). So that's about it for now. I'll make another log later this week. Hope you all have a lovely day.

 

 

 

 

[zDashiez 496]

Since visualizing colors is infuriating both Dash and I. I decide to try out imposing on the senses today.

It was quite a interesting.
I was rather skeptical about it, but after today session i and gladly say im not. Within the first 30 minutes or so of doing touch, I started feeling pressure on my hand, as if I was actually touching her and she actually had solid body.
Smell: no success.
And I ain't planning on doing taste.

Don't ya wanna taste the Rainbow Rev?

ಠ_ಠ

Edited December 11, 2012 by zRevenantz

[murkyx 904]

Hmm...

 

I could just imagine what happens to you in your head when you fall asleep...

 

*Thought bubble appears above head*

 

(Spoilered for quite suggestive artwork.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Thought bubble pops*

 

...

 

...

 

...

 

Actually, I think it's best for what's left of my sanity that I don't see the end of what you and ol' auntie Molestia get up to. 

 

I... What... But the... How?....  

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHKJSLDKJFOWINEOIGYKJWEOIRfi8234yr9283bc9phsioduhf...

 

*several minutes later*

 

Oh wow, that was hilarious!

 

*coughs* Oh, my sides...

 

Hey Bris?  You up?

 

...

 

Hey Tia, I think he broke...

 

Let me see...  Brissy, you alright?

 

 

He should be fine...  Hehe... "just a bit" Oh wow...

 

But in all seriousness, Rizoel, I can inform you that we're trying our best with the problem.  However, you best warn yourself... Perhaps when Bris wakes up, he may retort with some more artwork of his own, eventually.

 

As for progress... Hmm...  Blackjack, do you think that being able to control Bris' hands whilst unconscious is a pretty big step, do you think?

 

Yeah, I guess... Wait, if he's unconscious... Oh, the possibilities...  Shoot!  He's waking up!  Press reply!  Press reply!

Edited December 11, 2012 by Brisineo

[Arkane 270]

Suhweet! a decent tulpa thread!

i actually found out about Tulpas through Random google search and via the Wikipedia Game xD It was only a couple of weeks ago did I notice that many bronies are practicing this.

I made mine 4 months ago wit h a meditation period of 5-6 hours a day, split sessions. Even until now, my tulpa's not very vocal, seems a bit egocentric since personality hasnt really matured yet, but really helps me alot when I'm making songs. My Ulterior motive was to have a tulpa that would help me make songs in anycase that I get a severe case of Musician's block. But since Tulpas form their own personality, my plans didnt go as I hoped. But hey, my tulpa and I managed to make two songs. We're working on our third one right now.

[The Weapon 168]

Bris, you MIGHT want to figure out why Tia and Blackjack are controlling your hands whilst you are unconscious.

 

Hey, where'd Molly's wings go?

 

I... I don't know.

 

Well... I've started on possession. Nothing fullbody, just my right arm at the moment. It's beginning to work.

[Rizoel & Crepuscule 491]

WOTM8.png

 

I... What... But the... How?....  

 

 

I drew it.

 

I took 30 hours of my life, sketching it, figuring out how to vector it, spending about an hour of that time in total doing evil laughs, all while trying to resist the urge to put the taser in the area it was supposed to be according to the fic.

 

All for ma good pal Brisineo.

 

And 'Tia.

 

And BlackJack.

 

In fact, if you want to, I could edit it and have them join in too if you want.

 

Would you like that? I think you would like that. I'm going to do that. And then I'm going to send it to you. And we will all laugh and be friends forever.

 

 

MUHAHAHAHAHA!!

 

...

 

...

 

...

 

 

No, I'm just kidding. I'm not actually going to do that.

 

Maybe

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I guess... Wait, if he's unconscious... Oh, the possibilities.

 

 

 

?This rape train has no brakes.

 

 

As for progress... Hmm... Blackjack, do you think that being able to control Bris' hands whilst unconscious is a pretty big step, do you think?

 

 However, you best warn yourself... Perhaps when Bris wakes up, he may retort with some more artwork of his own, eventually.

 

Good.

 

 

 

Hey, where'd Molly's wings go?

 

I... I don't know.

 

 

Hmm?

 

*Double checks pic*

 

Oh! Uh...

 

*Quickly edits and puts wings back on Molly*

 

Uh, heh-heh-heh! I- I don't know what you're talking about. Nope. Blame Crep.

 

Hey!

Edited December 12, 2012 by Rizoel & Crepuscule

[Captain Nemo 164]

I almost wanna draw something really saucy just to traumatize y'all.

 

Almost. Unfortunately, this is a SFW forum... and it'd be REAL saucy.