Nick Confalone reveals plans for EQG Finale

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I wish this actually happened and we got to see it. 😭

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On 2021-03-14 at 3:33 PM, Megas said:

 

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Looks like they would have actually addressed the elephant in the room and finally bring in Humanland Sunset. Reading this, I'm willing to believe the possibility of it ending with Sunset returning to Equestria permanently

 

EDIT: I should probably reiterate that this isn't happening, this is just something he had planned had Hasbro let him end the season/series properly

Nothing for Spike in this?

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Man, I really wish Equestria Girls, would get a really nice and fitting ending, since the films and the show were really awesome. 

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On 2021-03-30 at 7:16 PM, Thrond said:

The series has never really dealt with the problem of Equestrian magic leaking into humanland; I always thought it was setting that up for a later special that never happened. Tying the human Sunset Shimmer into that would have been extra cool. I always preferred the idea that she was just off somewhere else, but it would explain a lot if the Sunset we know somehow replaced her. I still wonder how innocent an alternate version of Sunset Shimmer could really be, but maybe she had her own redemption arc offscreen. 

At the same time, I just don't feel like Sunset's redemption arc was "ongoing," even in 2017. That was kinda my problem with "Forgotten Friendship" - I don't feel like it adds anything, because I don't think there's a lot left to add to that story. It would have been better to give her something new to worry about. 

To be fair, Forgotten Friendship did add something with Sunset and Celestia reconciling plus the idea that there is someone who still has a grudge against Sunset for her previous actions as a bully (was that a bad idea?).

On 2021-03-14 at 3:33 PM, Megas said:

 

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Looks like they would have actually addressed the elephant in the room and finally bring in Humanland Sunset. Reading this, I'm willing to believe the possibility of it ending with Sunset returning to Equestria permanently

 

EDIT: I should probably reiterate that this isn't happening, this is just something he had planned had Hasbro let him end the season/series properly

I doubt they would've ended with Sunset leaving the human world for good and cutting off all contact with her human friends if they had gotten Equestria Girls a proper finale. I doubt they'd spend several movies, specials, and shorts focusing on the girls' friendship if Sunset did get permanent separation.

Heck, Forgotten Friendship even has Sunset get her memories of the human world back immediately after they're removed so that does imply to me that they wouldn't go for her cutting contact with the human world. Especially when we have pony Twilight still being in contact with the rest of the Mane 6 even when moving to Canterlot as princess.

Even that deleted "homsesick Sunset" subplot in Friendship Games ended with her deciding to stay in the human world.

I think even one of the writers mentioned Sunset's true home is the human world, so I'm positive she'd spend the rest of her days there (maybe becomes a teacher at Canterlot High) with occasional visits to Equestria and using the journals to message Twilight and Celestia.

On 2023-08-09 at 7:03 PM, nightshroud96 said:

Nothing for Spike in this?

What would Spike even contribute in all this? Like I get you wanted him to be a human, but what impact would a human Spike even make?

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On 2023-12-16 at 3:17 PM, SunsetShimmerStan said:

be fair, Forgotten Friendship did add something with Sunset and Celestia reconciling

But it doesn't mean a whole lot; it's a quick scene in a story that isn't really about it. There isn't a lot of weight to the moment. 

On 2023-12-16 at 3:17 PM, SunsetShimmerStan said:

the idea that there is someone who still has a grudge against Sunset for her previous actions as a bully

You could do something with that, but it's not meaningful for Sunset; she's already proven herself as a hero and a nice person. We already saw her make up with people she bullied in the past. There's nothing for her to learn from this scenario.

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On 2023-12-16 at 5:17 PM, SunsetShimmerStan said:

a human, but what impact would a human Spike even make?

Him actually get to do stuff and explore his bond with the girls

[SunsetShimmerStan 42]

3 hours ago, Thrond said:

But it doesn't mean a whole lot; it's a quick scene in a story that isn't really about it. There isn't a lot of weight to the moment. 

You could do something with that, but it's not meaningful for Sunset; she's already proven herself as a hero and a nice person. We already saw her make up with people she bullied in the past. There's nothing for her to learn from this scenario.

So is there a way then that the idea of Sunset and Celestia reconciling could have worked if it had to happen at all?

And what plots do you think would be a better fit for Sunset Shimmer to be in if Forgotten Friendship and Sunset's Backstage Pass don't really work as far as Sunset Shimmer focused stories go? Like, it's not like she's incapable of carrying a plot at all anymore.

3 hours ago, nightshroud96 said:

Him actually get to do stuff and explore his bond with the girls

Like what exactly, what specific stuff would human Spike even do?

Looking at each movie:

• Friendship Games: Would've been the same role he had in the canon movie
• Legend of Everfree: Slightly less prominent as even if you added the idea that the younger students can go on the trip (meaning the CMC, Diamond Tiara, and Silver Spoon would also appear), since now he wouldn't be in the same tent as Twilight and Sunset and not be aware of Twilight's nightmares like he would be if he was a dog so he'd be less useful
• Dance Magic: Even if Spike was a human, I doubt he'd be in the Rainbooms' band since I get the vibe his VA wasn't much of a singer (why else do you think Spike gets less musical numbers than Starlight, the CMC, and Celestia/Luna) so he'd have just as much presence as canon
• Movie Magic: Again, same role he had in canon special and already pairs him with Pinkie anyway
• Mirror Magic: Considering the story focuses more on Sunset and Starlight, Spike wouldn't accomplish squat there even if he did show up
• Forgotten Friendship: Story focuses more on Sunset and trying to get her friends' memories back so Spike would still not get more to do since he'd still have his good memories of Sunset wiped (and the other 6 Rainbooms already didn't get that much screentime in the special). I'd argue Spike being a dog would make him more likely to have a big role in the special since he'd technically not lose his memories due to not being a CHS student, leading to him helping Sunset out. So Dog Spike has a higher change of getting a bigger role here than Human Spike.
• Rollercoaster of Friendship: Special focuses on Rarity and Applejack's dynamic and ship tease, not much room for human Spike there to contribute
• Spring Breakdown: Focuses more on Rainbow Dash, human Spike still wouldn't add anything to the special.
• Sunset's Backstage Pass: Sunset's the only one who remembers all the time loops, so Spike still wouldn't get much to do as a human since he'd keep forgetting the previous time loops like everyone else except Sunset
• Holidays Unwrapped: Definitely wouldn't be in Blizzard or Bust since I doubt a human Spike would be in the same classes as the Rainbooms, Saving Pinkie's Pie I doubt would've given him much to do there, same for Cider Louse for Fools and Dashing Through the Mall

All in all, Spike being a human wouldn't really change or do squat to make him more prominent in the movies/specials.

And what would be there to explore with his relationship with the other six? Fluttershy would have even less reason to have a special bond with him since he isn't an animal (she's an animal lover). And I don't think the "Spike crushing on Rarity" thing would be that great in EQG considering they were pushing Rarity with Applejack in stuff like Rollercoaster of Friendship and Spring Breakdown, and Spike would come off as a bad friend for crushing on Rarity when he knows she likes Applejack.

And why aren't you commenting on Fluttershy not getting any focus either? She's a human, yet she pretty much never gets to be a main lead of any movie/special.

Besides, I don't think Spike being a dog is the reason for him not getting more focus. Like, just look at Scooby in Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated, they integrated him pretty well in the Mystery Inc dynamic despite Scooby being a talking dog, so Dog Spike can very much still work.

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I would love to see the good folks at IDW take this idea and use it to give Equestria Girls a proper finale. I don't care if it is a comic-book miniseries or a graphic novel as long as it is done well! 

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On 2023-12-29 at 12:13 AM, SunsetShimmerStan said:

So is there a way then that the idea of Sunset and Celestia reconciling could have worked if it had to happen at all?

And what plots do you think would be a better fit for Sunset Shimmer to be in if Forgotten Friendship and Sunset's Backstage Pass don't really work as far as Sunset Shimmer focused stories go? Like, it's not like she's incapable of carrying a plot at all anymore.

Like what exactly, what specific stuff would human Spike even do?

Looking at each movie:

• Friendship Games: Would've been the same role he had in the canon movie
• Legend of Everfree: Slightly less prominent as even if you added the idea that the younger students can go on the trip (meaning the CMC, Diamond Tiara, and Silver Spoon would also appear), since now he wouldn't be in the same tent as Twilight and Sunset and not be aware of Twilight's nightmares like he would be if he was a dog so he'd be less useful
• Dance Magic: Even if Spike was a human, I doubt he'd be in the Rainbooms' band since I get the vibe his VA wasn't much of a singer (why else do you think Spike gets less musical numbers than Starlight, the CMC, and Celestia/Luna) so he'd have just as much presence as canon
• Movie Magic: Again, same role he had in canon special and already pairs him with Pinkie anyway
• Mirror Magic: Considering the story focuses more on Sunset and Starlight, Spike wouldn't accomplish squat there even if he did show up
• Forgotten Friendship: Story focuses more on Sunset and trying to get her friends' memories back so Spike would still not get more to do since he'd still have his good memories of Sunset wiped (and the other 6 Rainbooms already didn't get that much screentime in the special). I'd argue Spike being a dog would make him more likely to have a big role in the special since he'd technically not lose his memories due to not being a CHS student, leading to him helping Sunset out. So Dog Spike has a higher change of getting a bigger role here than Human Spike.
• Rollercoaster of Friendship: Special focuses on Rarity and Applejack's dynamic and ship tease, not much room for human Spike there to contribute
• Spring Breakdown: Focuses more on Rainbow Dash, human Spike still wouldn't add anything to the special.
• Sunset's Backstage Pass: Sunset's the only one who remembers all the time loops, so Spike still wouldn't get much to do as a human since he'd keep forgetting the previous time loops like everyone else except Sunset
• Holidays Unwrapped: Definitely wouldn't be in Blizzard or Bust since I doubt a human Spike would be in the same classes as the Rainbooms, Saving Pinkie's Pie I doubt would've given him much to do there, same for Cider Louse for Fools and Dashing Through the Mall

All in all, Spike being a human wouldn't really change or do squat to make him more prominent in the movies/specials.

And what would be there to explore with his relationship with the other six? Fluttershy would have even less reason to have a special bond with him since he isn't an animal (she's an animal lover). And I don't think the "Spike crushing on Rarity" thing would be that great in EQG considering they were pushing Rarity with Applejack in stuff like Rollercoaster of Friendship and Spring Breakdown, and Spike would come off as a bad friend for crushing on Rarity when he knows she likes Applejack.

And why aren't you commenting on Fluttershy not getting any focus either? She's a human, yet she pretty much never gets to be a main lead of any movie/special.

Besides, I don't think Spike being a dog is the reason for him not getting more focus. Like, just look at Scooby in Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated, they integrated him pretty well in the Mystery Inc dynamic despite Scooby being a talking dog, so Dog Spike can very much still work.

1. He would actually get to interact more with others and be easier to do stuff and be a actual character than a PROP.

2. Pretty sure if they added that younger students can come, he would still be allowed to hangout with Sci-Twi due to being his older sister
3. He CAN accomplish something if the plot allows it.  Like helping Starlight get the mirror or giving a helping hand
4. They used different VAs when having characters since iirc.  So they can do the same for Spike.  And it probably look pretty adorable seeing him being able to play something while in the band
5. He would probably still help Sunset anyway(especially if Wallflower forgot to take his memories, which is ironic since she's angry people basically forgot/never notice her)
6. Spike can still contribute by just joining in on the fun properly.
7. Spike would still be there and actually get to meet his dragon counterpart(something the show wasted the chance to while Sci-Twi got to meet hers TWICE)
8.  Still be involved and actually do something though, and probably end up listening to Sunset about the loops.
9.  He would most likely get to be there for the activities anyway that intersect and probably participate in something

Spike being human will do him ALOT more prominent since he is not just THERE like a prop.
Like has the actual potential to do something and such.
Fluttershy would still bond with him due to being adorable little guy who helps her with the animals
Pinkie Pie might find it fun planning hilarious stuff since kids around Spike's age are mischevious
Rarity would surely appreciate his help and such even if the whole "Spike's crush on Rarity" is missing, and appricate him hanging out with her little sister
Applejack might like to see him as a little brother too that helps out with chores or hanging out with Applebloom.
Rainbow Dash might like to show off her awesome skills and such for another fan just like with Scootaloo
 

Spike has it much worse than Fluttershy's case

Spike being a DOG IS the reason why his role was so badly limited.  Most of the time he's either THERE like a prop, unable to interact with characters outside of the Rainbooms, so many times Sci-Twi forgets she can break the "no pets allowed" rule(freaking hypocrite she is), so many times he has to stay in the backpack.  So many stuff he can't do because he's a dog
No, the thing with Scooby is not really the same as Spike's case.  Dog Spike REALLY DOESN'T WORK.

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3 hours ago, nightshroud96 said:

1. He would actually get to interact more with others and be easier to do stuff and be a actual character than a PROP.

2. Pretty sure if they added that younger students can come, he would still be allowed to hangout with Sci-Twi due to being his older sister
3. He CAN accomplish something if the plot allows it.  Like helping Starlight get the mirror or giving a helping hand
4. They used different VAs when having characters since iirc.  So they can do the same for Spike.  And it probably look pretty adorable seeing him being able to play something while in the band
5. He would probably still help Sunset anyway(especially if Wallflower forgot to take his memories, which is ironic since she's angry people basically forgot/never notice her)
6. Spike can still contribute by just joining in on the fun properly.
7. Spike would still be there and actually get to meet his dragon counterpart(something the show wasted the chance to while Sci-Twi got to meet hers TWICE)
8.  Still be involved and actually do something though, and probably end up listening to Sunset about the loops.
9.  He would most likely get to be there for the activities anyway that intersect and probably participate in something

Spike being human will do him ALOT more prominent since he is not just THERE like a prop.
Like has the actual potential to do something and such.
Fluttershy would still bond with him due to being adorable little guy who helps her with the animals
Pinkie Pie might find it fun planning hilarious stuff since kids around Spike's age are mischevious
Rarity would surely appreciate his help and such even if the whole "Spike's crush on Rarity" is missing, and appricate him hanging out with her little sister
Applejack might like to see him as a little brother too that helps out with chores or hanging out with Applebloom.
Rainbow Dash might like to show off her awesome skills and such for another fan just like with Scootaloo
 

Spike has it much worse than Fluttershy's case

Spike being a DOG IS the reason why his role was so badly limited.  Most of the time he's either THERE like a prop, unable to interact with characters outside of the Rainbooms, so many times Sci-Twi forgets she can break the "no pets allowed" rule(freaking hypocrite she is), so many times he has to stay in the backpack.  So many stuff he can't do because he's a dog
No, the thing with Scooby is not really the same as Spike's case.  Dog Spike REALLY DOESN'T WORK.

Still, it is weird for human Spike to hang out with a bunch of teenagers. And before you bring out "Sci-Twi is his sister" card for the millionth time, that's still doesn't answer why he'd somehow be the only one of the Rainbooms' siblings to hang out with the group instead of hanging out with his own set of friends? Like, what would stop the human CMC from also hanging out with the Rainbooms since they're also younger siblings like Spike is?

And still, you never addressed the part where I bring up how there is a chance they probably hadn't outright figured out how to define Twilight and Spike's relationship yet (it's telling it took until season 9 for them refer to Twilight and Spike as siblings in Sparkle's Seven with the first EQG movie coming out between seasons 3 and 4) at the time between mother/son (which was a pretty popular interpretation and still remains one to this day), older sister/little brother, or some third thing so making Spike a dog may have been a way of not having to awkwardly answer that at the time. Like how were the EQG writers supposed to know how to interpret a relationship with Human Spike and Sci-Twi when even Friendship is Magic was inconsistent on how their relationship was supposed to be in the first few seasons and having no knowledge of Sparkle's Seven?

Heck, name one show that had a preteen hang out with a bunch of teenagers instead of friends their own age.

And don't you think Spike somehow being the only one to not get his memories wiped by Wallflower qualifies as borderline "Spike worship" fanfiction territory? Like him somehow being the only human who Wallflower didn't wipe memories of would be hard to explain since it was made clear Wallflower targeted everyone in CHS in one night, how would she miss Spike specifically unless she intentionally skipped him like she did for Sunset (and that was only because she wants revenge on Sunset)? Feels like a borderline bad worship fanfic.

And if you're complaining on Spike not interacting with his Equestrian counterpart, why aren't you complaining on Rainbow Dash, Applejack, Rarity, Fluttershy, and Pinkie Pie not getting to meet their pony counterparts too?

Like, name one time Fluttershy was that relevant in the EQG movies/specials outside of being "the seventh geode"? At least Spike had some relevancy in Friendship Games of being Sci-Twi's closest confidant and helping Sunset snap Sci-Twi back to normal. Fluttershy doesn't even get that.

And at the end of the day, Sunset's the main protagonist of the spin off, not Spike. So stop acting like Spike has to be the lead in everything all the time, your Spike worship is getting annoying.

In all fairness, Friendship is Magic didn't do much on showing Spike's relationships with the Mane 6 outside Twilight and Rarity either. Rainbow Dash and Pinkie Pie don't get episodes focusing on their relationship with him, Fluttershy only got a couple episodes with him (she didn't even bother going to the dragon migration for him in Dragon Quest), and Applejack's only episode with Spike was in Spike at Your Service (and we can all agree that episode was pretty terrible). Spike interacts more with Discord, Big Mac, and Starlight than he does with Rainbow Dash, Pinkie Pie, Fluttershy, and Applejack.

Also, what pet would you have given Sci-Twi then? Given Pet Project hinges on Sunset being the only one of the Rainbooms without a pet, what pet would Sci-Twi have?

Why wouldn't Scooby be the same case as Spike? He's essentially a talking dog hanging out with teenagers too.

And I think there is also the chance that a talking dog would've probably gone against the girls trying to keep magic a secret. After all, they probably don't wanna risk people finding out Spike can talk and getting him taken away for government experimentation. So that's why they didn't bring Spike along. And even then, I'm on a Yacht shows they did bring Spike on the second cruise after Spring Breakdown.

Edited April 2, 2024 by SunsetShimmerStan

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On 2023-12-17 at 5:17 AM, SunsetShimmerStan said:

To be fair, Forgotten Friendship did add something with Sunset and Celestia reconciling plus the idea that there is someone who still has a grudge against Sunset for her previous actions as a bully (was that a bad idea?).

I doubt they would've ended with Sunset leaving the human world for good and cutting off all contact with her human friends if they had gotten Equestria Girls a proper finale. I doubt they'd spend several movies, specials, and shorts focusing on the girls' friendship if Sunset did get permanent separation.

Heck, Forgotten Friendship even has Sunset get her memories of the human world back immediately after they're removed so that does imply to me that they wouldn't go for her cutting contact with the human world. Especially when we have pony Twilight still being in contact with the rest of the Mane 6 even when moving to Canterlot as princess.

Even that deleted "homsesick Sunset" subplot in Friendship Games ended with her deciding to stay in the human world.

I think even one of the writers mentioned Sunset's true home is the human world, so I'm positive she'd spend the rest of her days there (maybe becomes a teacher at Canterlot High) with occasional visits to Equestria and using the journals to message Twilight and Celestia.

What would Spike even contribute in all this? Like I get you wanted him to be a human, but what impact would a human Spike even make?

Idk if I misinterpreted this one, but Wallflower didn't hold a grudge against Sunset for being a former bully, it's more of the love she gets as one, meanwhile she was always unnoticed by anyone during her time here even if she's done nothing wrong to anybody

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On 2024-04-01 at 10:22 PM, SunsetShimmerStan said:

Still, it is weird for human Spike to hang out with a bunch of teenagers. And before you bring out "Sci-Twi is his sister" card for the millionth time, that's still doesn't answer why he'd somehow be the only one of the Rainbooms' siblings to hang out with the group instead of hanging out with his own set of friends? Like, what would stop the human CMC from also hanging out with the Rainbooms since they're also younger siblings like Spike is?

And still, you never addressed the part where I bring up how there is a chance they probably hadn't outright figured out how to define Twilight and Spike's relationship yet (it's telling it took until season 9 for them refer to Twilight and Spike as siblings in Sparkle's Seven with the first EQG movie coming out between seasons 3 and 4) at the time between mother/son (which was a pretty popular interpretation and still remains one to this day), older sister/little brother, or some third thing so making Spike a dog may have been a way of not having to awkwardly answer that at the time. Like how were the EQG writers supposed to know how to interpret a relationship with Human Spike and Sci-Twi when even Friendship is Magic was inconsistent on how their relationship was supposed to be in the first few seasons and having no knowledge of Sparkle's Seven?

Heck, name one show that had a preteen hang out with a bunch of teenagers instead of friends their own age.

And don't you think Spike somehow being the only one to not get his memories wiped by Wallflower qualifies as borderline "Spike worship" fanfiction territory? Like him somehow being the only human who Wallflower didn't wipe memories of would be hard to explain since it was made clear Wallflower targeted everyone in CHS in one night, how would she miss Spike specifically unless she intentionally skipped him like she did for Sunset (and that was only because she wants revenge on Sunset)? Feels like a borderline bad worship fanfic.

And if you're complaining on Spike not interacting with his Equestrian counterpart, why aren't you complaining on Rainbow Dash, Applejack, Rarity, Fluttershy, and Pinkie Pie not getting to meet their pony counterparts too?

Like, name one time Fluttershy was that relevant in the EQG movies/specials outside of being "the seventh geode"? At least Spike had some relevancy in Friendship Games of being Sci-Twi's closest confidant and helping Sunset snap Sci-Twi back to normal. Fluttershy doesn't even get that.

And at the end of the day, Sunset's the main protagonist of the spin off, not Spike. So stop acting like Spike has to be the lead in everything all the time, your Spike worship is getting annoying.

In all fairness, Friendship is Magic didn't do much on showing Spike's relationships with the Mane 6 outside Twilight and Rarity either. Rainbow Dash and Pinkie Pie don't get episodes focusing on their relationship with him, Fluttershy only got a couple episodes with him (she didn't even bother going to the dragon migration for him in Dragon Quest), and Applejack's only episode with Spike was in Spike at Your Service (and we can all agree that episode was pretty terrible). Spike interacts more with Discord, Big Mac, and Starlight than he does with Rainbow Dash, Pinkie Pie, Fluttershy, and Applejack.

Also, what pet would you have given Sci-Twi then? Given Pet Project hinges on Sunset being the only one of the Rainbooms without a pet, what pet would Sci-Twi have?

Why wouldn't Scooby be the same case as Spike? He's essentially a talking dog hanging out with teenagers too.

And I think there is also the chance that a talking dog would've probably gone against the girls trying to keep magic a secret. After all, they probably don't wanna risk people finding out Spike can talk and getting him taken away for government experimentation. So that's why they didn't bring Spike along. And even then, I'm on a Yacht shows they did bring Spike on the second cruise after Spring Breakdown.

Because of Spike's bond being different than the CMC's bond.
That and its his choice to wanting to hang out with his sister's friends

Making Spike a dog because they can't figure out his relationship with Twilight is downright moronic.
Due to they are answering with "he's a pet, lol".  Its like someone struggling to find an answer but end up blurting out something really dumb instead.
Really, just say he's her brother in the human world.  Its that bloody simple.

Its not worship territory.  Because loophole, like Wallflower doesn't even know about him(due to either Sci-Twi's hypocrisy leading her to not bring him or he's stuck in a backpack too much)
And her specifying the stone to take only the students and teacher's memories, Spike isn't a student.  And yet the writers squandered that.
Even with the oppertunities Spike has as a dog, they muck it up.

He would still have a bond with the other Mane 5, problem is the writers muck it up by not properly exploring it.

At least Fluttershy got powers, be part of that chosen ones bond, GOT TO DO STUFF and be included.
Spike can't have that all because he's stuck as a freaking dog.

Unlike the Mane 5, its dumb how Spike didn't get to meet his counterpart since dragon Spike and pony Twilight were the only ones from Equestria(that has counterparts) that visited the human-world.
Isn't really fair Sci-Twi met hers TWICE but Sci-Spike doesn't get to not even once.

Sci-Twi would just have Owlicious.  Pony Twilight literally has an owl as a pet.
Spike did not need to be a pet.  Or at least have Sci-Twi use a robo-bird or something, since Pinkie had a plushie in place of Gummy since she can't have a real gator unlike her pony counterpart

Not really.  Since Spike is still badly restricted HARD.
Can't even interact with anyone outside of the Rainbooms.

Them choosing to not bring Spike because of fear is really not fair for him really.
 

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13 hours ago, nightshroud96 said:

Its not worship territory.  Because loophole, like Wallflower doesn't even know about him(due to either Sci-Twi's hypocrisy leading her to not bring him or he's stuck in a backpack too much)
And her specifying the stone to take only the students and teacher's memories, Spike isn't a student.  And yet the writers squandered that.
Even with the oppertunities Spike has as a dog, they muck it up.


Unlike the Mane 5, its dumb how Spike didn't get to meet his counterpart since dragon Spike and pony Twilight were the only ones from Equestria(that has counterparts) that visited the human-world.
Isn't really fair Sci-Twi met hers TWICE but Sci-Spike doesn't get to not even once.

Sci-Twi would just have Owlicious.  Pony Twilight literally has an owl as a pet.
Spike did not need to be a pet.  Or at least have Sci-Twi use a robo-bird or something, since Pinkie had a plushie in place of Gummy since she can't have a real gator unlike her pony counterpart

Not really.  Since Spike is still badly restricted HARD.
Can't even interact with anyone outside of the Rainbooms.

Them choosing to not bring Spike because of fear is really not fair for him really.
 

Pretty sure the entire school knew about Dog Spike during the Friendship Games and Legend of Everfree. And I was referring to the scenario of Human Spike someone how not losing his memories of Sunset in Forgotten Friendship.

I think Dog Spike did interact with characters outside the Rainbooms at least once in that Street Magic short where he was teamed up with Trixie as her assistant.

Still raises questions on WHY Human Spike would prefer hanging out with older teenage girls instead of preteens that are the same age as him (like does he have social problems or something), while the CMC don't choose to hang out with the Rainbooms.

And it's called Equestria GIRLS, not "Equestria Girls and the one preteen boy that tags along with them who apparently doesn't try to hang out with people that are the same age as him".

And when did Rainbow Dash, Applejack, Rarity, Fluttershy, and Pinkie meet their counterparts at all? They're main characters yet they never met their counterparts.

And what would be the circumstances in the human world that led Sci-Twi and her family to adopt a human Spike in their family? Given Sci-Twi wasn't the friendly type before Friendship Games, what would've led her to meet Spike if they aren't biologically related, let alone be close enough for her to get her family to adopt him as a sibling.

And how would his stuff in the first movie and Rainbow Rocks would go if Dragon Spike transformed into a human there? After all, Spike being a talking dog helped in giving Twilight evidence to prove to the Humane 5 that she really was from another world so how else would she prove to the human counterparts that she and Spike were from another world (it's not like they'd just take their word for it with no proof without calling them both crazy). And it's a lot harder for Snips and Snails to capture a preteen human boy to help Sunset get Twilight's attention than it would be to capture a dog. And bring a question of why he'd even bother getting DJ Pon 3's help to open the trapdoor since if he was a human, he'd open it himself (and they can't exactly remove DJ Pon 3 from helping either since her transforming sound system bus is crucial for helping the Rainbooms with being loud enough to face the Dazzlings).

Heck if Human Spike is a thing, would he also be bullied and treated as an outcast in Crystal Prep like Sci-Twi in Friendship Games? And how would the scene of him and Sci-Twi bonding with Fluttershy in Friendship Games go? Given Spike being a dog is what helped with Fluttershy connect with him and Sci-Twi due to her own love of animals, how else would Fluttershy bond with them (which is a crucial scene since that's what leads to Sci-Twi's magic device draining Fluttershy's magic when she shows kindness)?

What would Human Spike's powers even be and what element would he represent?

And hypothetically what would've happened if the show ended up going with the "Twilight and Spike's dynamic being mother/son" thing instead later on? Then how would that translate with Human Spike and Sci-Twi, given Sci-Twi is a teenager and too young to adopt a kid? That is a hurdle that would've been a bit hard to walk on.

Then Movie Magic's Scooby Doo homage would be lost if Spike was a human and not a talking dog. Given Movie Magic was a Scooby Doo mystery homage, we need a talking animal to fill the Scooby Doo homage niche.

Also, there is the question of what Human Spike would even contribute to Sunset (aka the main lead of the spin off) and her story? Pony Twilight defeated her and took down her initial reign as the mean bully of Canterlot High in the first movie plus gave her a second chance instead of sending her to Tartarus. Rainbow Dash, Applejack, Rarity, Fluttershy, and Pinkie gave Sunset her second chance in the first place and helped her with friendship as her first true friends. Sci-Twi helps to show how much Sunset has changed with Sunset in turn helping Sci-Twi with her own struggles as Midnight Sparkle (much like how Pony Twilight gave her a second chance after her She-Demon rampage) plus Sunset and Sci-Twi's dynamic being one of the most iconic and crucial for the spin off (whether one interprets it as platonic or romantic). What specific idea would you have on how a Human Spike can contribute to Sunset's story and the dynamic he'd have with her?

And how is not wanting Spike to be captured by the government for disection and causing the magic secret to spread around the world unfair? It's for his safety and everyone else's after all.

Edited July 9, 2024 by SunsetShimmerStan

[Otaku-sempai 676]

Admittedly, Spike as a younger, adopted brother would have been more fair to the character. In-universe, we can explain it by Human Twilight's Spike being a dog. 

Edited July 9, 2024 by Otaku-sempai

[lambert 7]

It's such a shame the finale was never made. It sounded amazing, and would've been cool to see the human Sunset Shimmer.

 

The Winter special wasn't a proper ending and hd no conclusion to the show whatsoever.

[Snoopy Fan 7,804]

Are we not going to talk about the fact that Fluttershy was the only member of the Rainbooms to not have a main character role in any of the hour long specials? I mean Forgotten Friendship was about Sunset Shimmer (and Trixe), Rollercoaster of Friendship was about Rarity and Applejack, Spring Breakdown was about Sunset Shimmer, Sci-Twi, and Rainbow Dash, and Sunset’s Backstage Pass was about Sunset Shimmer and Pinkie Pie. She didn’t even have her own segment in Holidays Unwrapped. I know I sound like a broken record for repeating myself over and over about this, but someone has to get the point across.

Edited December 5, 2024 by Snoopy Fan

[ZiggWheelsManning 13,113]

Wanting to see a Sunset and Fluttershy adventure as much as the next pony.  But it's not gonna happen  

[DJShy 945]

It's still a real shame that Nick's plan never came to bare fruit. It would've been great to see human Sunset interact with her pony counterpart.

[FallCake 23]

Such a shame Hasbro ignored Nick's plan. This special would've been awesome. I'm so sad it never got made.

[Agent007 7]

I wish this plan had actually happened. I want this episode to happen so much.

[SunsetShimmerStan 42]

On 2024-07-09 at 3:34 PM, Otaku-sempai said:

Admittedly, Spike as a younger, adopted brother would have been more fair to the character. In-universe, we can explain it by Human Twilight's Spike being a dog. 

Yeah, but what if they went with the mother/son dynamic instead? Given it took until season 9 for the sibling thing to be mentioned and been then, it was only 1 episode, what if they went with mother/son instead?

On 2023-12-28 at 8:23 PM, Thrond said:

But it doesn't mean a whole lot; it's a quick scene in a story that isn't really about it. There isn't a lot of weight to the moment. 

You could do something with that, but it's not meaningful for Sunset; she's already proven herself as a hero and a nice person. We already saw her make up with people she bullied in the past. There's nothing for her to learn from this scenario.

By that logic, what makes Amending Fences work better in putting Twilight in a similar scenario of making amends with someone she hurt in the past (Moondancer like how Sunset had with Wallflower)? Considering she basically proved herself already for 4 seasons by that point, what made Amending Fences more meaningful to Twilight than Forgotten Friendship is to Sunset?

And how is it that far fetched that someone still has a grudge against Sunset? It's not as if Rainbow Rocks shows  every single student interacting one on one with Sunset outside the Rainbooms. Like, it is more complicated than just mob mentality of everyone forgiving Sunset at the same time.  What moments in Rainbow Rocks and other stuff show Sunset making it up to people she bullied in the past one on one (saving the school from the Dazzlings leans more on mob mentality of a crowd forgiving her at the same time rather than any specific one on one moments)?

[Thrond 3,271]

6 hours ago, SunsetShimmerStan said:

Yeah, but what if they went with the mother/son dynamic instead? Given it took until season 9 for the sibling thing to be mentioned and been then, it was only 1 episode, what if they went with mother/son instead?

This makes me uncomfortable because Twilight was so young when she hatched the egg. I mean sure, that's a story you could tell, but it's sad to make a child be a parent. 

6 hours ago, SunsetShimmerStan said:

By that logic, what makes Amending Fences work better in putting Twilight in a similar scenario of making amends with someone she hurt in the past (Moondancer like how Sunset had with Wallflower)? Considering she basically proved herself already for 4 seasons by that point, what made Amending Fences more meaningful to Twilight than Forgotten Friendship is to Sunset?

I actually like "Amending Fences" way less than "Forgotten Friendship." In fact, I recently rewatched "Forgotten Friendship," and it finally clicked with me, whereas "Amending Fences" has never worked for me at all. I get that "Forgotten Friendship" shows off how far Sunset has come, whereas I never cared about Twilight making up with Moondancer.  

You know, I actually like the Sunset and Celestia scene now, but somehow it still feels like a means to an end for me... I feel like it would have more weight if it were expanded, and if we got more onscreen of what it meant for both of them. It just seems like a big moment to me, so it's weird to think of this as something Sunset had just moved on from. 

6 hours ago, SunsetShimmerStan said:

And how is it that far fetched that someone still has a grudge against Sunset? It's not as if Rainbow Rocks shows  every single student interacting one on one with Sunset outside the Rainbooms. Like, it is more complicated than just mob mentality of everyone forgiving Sunset at the same time.  What moments in Rainbow Rocks and other stuff show Sunset making it up to people she bullied in the past one on one (saving the school from the Dazzlings leans more on mob mentality of a crowd forgiving her at the same time rather than any specific one on one moments)?

My thought is that, as presented, Wallflower Blush is someone who Sunset Shimmer should have interacted with on a regular basis through the yearbook committee. At the start of "Forgotten Friendship" we see her quite rudely ignoring Wallflower, which just feels off to me. I believe the new Sunset Shimmer would attempt to befriend Wallflower Blush and make up with her. But based on Wallflower's backstory, it's also easy to assume that this was all just because Wallflower kept erasing memories, so that takes away from the idea that Sunset Shimmer is responsible for any of this. Which, fine, I get it now, Wallflower was depressed and lashing out, that's a good story. My problem is more that, as a story, it's thematically repetitive: it adds nothing. To be fair, though, since I skip everything between Friendship Games and "Forgotten Friendship" when rewatching, I'm okay with that now. I see it as a sort of coda. 

On 2023-12-28 at 10:13 PM, SunsetShimmerStan said:

And what plots do you think would be a better fit for Sunset Shimmer to be in if Forgotten Friendship and Sunset's Backstage Pass don't really work as far as Sunset Shimmer focused stories go? Like, it's not like she's incapable of carrying a plot at all anymore.

For a while I really didn't think she was capable of carrying a plot. She's my least favourite of the EqG seven. 

I said this before, but I think "Sunset's Backstage Pass" was on the right track; a story where Sunset's anger gets out of control and causes problems is the right idea. That specific special just told it in a way that I didn't find very funny or relatable. I also think the writers really needed to sit down and decide more precisely who they wanted Sunset to be from this point on; her interests feel nebulous and her one flaw doesn't have much depth. 

[SunsetShimmerStan 42]

On 2025-07-01 at 11:06 PM, Thrond said:

I said this before, but I think "Sunset's Backstage Pass" was on the right track; a story where Sunset's anger gets out of control and causes problems is the right idea. That specific special just told it in a way that I didn't find very funny or relatable. I also think the writers really needed to sit down and decide more precisely who they wanted Sunset to be from this point on; her interests feel nebulous and her one flaw doesn't have much depth. 

So if you were given a chance, how would you have characterized Sunset post-Friendship Games? Like, how would you have gone about still making her fun to watch, keeping her interests more relevant, and giving her flaws in a way that doesn't cause one to question why the Rainbooms are still friends with her? Plus in writing her friendship with Sci-Twi, considering it's a pretty important friendship in the spin off (Sci-Twi arguably being Sunset's best and closest friend). 

How do you think Sunset and Sci-Twi's friendship could've been better written in Legend of Everfree that brought out the best in both of them?

Plus, are there any reformed characters either on MLP or other shows that genuinely were still fun to watch and having solid characterization post-redemption arc?

Edited July 13 by SunsetShimmerStan

[Thrond 3,271]

On 2025-07-12 at 9:13 PM, SunsetShimmerStan said:

So if you were given a chance, how would you have characterized Sunset post-Friendship Games? Like, how would you have gone about still making her fun to watch, keeping her interests more relevant,

It works for me best in something like Holidays Unwrapped where she’s also kinda rebellious and reckless. I would just transition to that mode a lot earlier, and focus on how it can bounce off the others. And I would pick maybe 2 of her many hobbies and flesh them out a little more.  

On 2025-07-12 at 9:13 PM, SunsetShimmerStan said:

and giving her flaws in a way that doesn't cause one to question why the Rainbooms are still friends with her?

You misunderstand me; all of the main characters have annoyed me at one time or another. I forgive that easily. What I want is to empathize with her faults without just shifting blame. What is it like to blow up at things that don’t deserve it? Especially if you soon realize you screwed up. My Little Pony is best when it tells that kind of story, and it didn’t do so often enough.

On 2025-07-12 at 9:13 PM, SunsetShimmerStan said:

Plus in writing her friendship with Sci-Twi, considering it's a pretty important friendship in the spin off (Sci-Twi arguably being Sunset's best and closest friend). 

How do you think Sunset and Sci-Twi's friendship could've been better written in Legend of Everfree that brought out the best in both of them?

You put me in charge, Sci-Twi is a different character. “Twilight but she acts completely differently” never worked for me, sorry.

 

[SunsetShimmerStan 42]

On 2025-07-14 at 1:19 AM, Thrond said:

 

You put me in charge, Sci-Twi is a different character. “Twilight but she acts completely differently” never worked for me, sorry.

 

So how should they have gone about characterizing Sci-Twi and her story arc throughout Friendship Games and Legend of Everfree? There does need to be some way of distinguishing her from her pony counterpart. Otherwise, what would be the point of Sci-Twi existing if she's gonna be 100% the same as her pony counterpart that was major in the first two films? Plus in having to avoid the implication on whether or not Sunset and the Humane 5 only like her because she's exactly like the pony counterpart (which they spend the first two movies bonding with) and only accepted her because she's a replacement and nothing more, plus if they'd still be friends with her even if they didn't meet her pony counterpart first.