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It's not very well known, but I think People Can Fly should have made BulletStorm 2 instead of making Gears of War: Judgement.


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I'm tired of people complaining about trivial things, but not doing anything to try and resolve it. Change they cycle you are in, otherwise nothing is going to change.

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If anything it was a well done strawman argument with a good outing for our Mane 6, but a strawman argument nonetheless.

 

What argument were they making in the premiere, and how was it a strawman?


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What argument were they making in the premiere, and how was it a strawman?

The whole equality thing. At no point did we ever get any sort of reason why this was occurring, or that the idea of equality in general (not the one the show was pushing in the episode) had any merits to it. Basically the whole idea was set up to be wrong from the getgo which is what a strawman is, a position set up to favor the oppositions point of view.   Though to be fair I am most certainly overthinking this. I guess I sort of wanted a very grey morale, that the villain was trying to do right and with no real message. I'm not a huge fan of messages in my media. 


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The whole equality thing. At no point did we ever get any sort of reason why this was occurring, or that the idea of equality in general (not the one the show was pushing in the episode) had any merits to it. Basically the whole idea was set up to be wrong from the getgo which is what a strawman is, a position set up to favor the oppositions point of view.   Though to be fair I am most certainly overthinking this. I guess I sort of wanted a very grey morale, that the villain was trying to do right and with no real message. I'm not a huge fan of messages in my media. 

There's some sort of message in every form of media. If you have no message, you have no content.

 

I beg to differ with your interpretation of the episode. It was made very clear why Starlight was running the equality village: she believes different cutie marks lead to different special talents,  which lead to some ponies having advantages and abilities other ponies don't, which leads to conflict and pain and potential disaster. Her vision and her reasons, which the village also shared, were repeated throughout the episode. Nobody had to come out and scream at us that the general concept of equality "had merit." It's the 21st century. That's self-evident.

 

Fluttershy approved of the idea and what she saw of the end result; Twilight initially wondered why they'd even been sent out there, because nothing seemed to be wrong. Unfortunately, many things were wrong. And while the writers seemed to take clear inspiration from the writings of George Orwell and the USSR, that doesn't mean they were falsely representing the entire concept of socialism or communism in order to tear it down. That's pure speculation. What they presented us with was a specific type of communal society that was poorly thought out, maintained via extreme measures, and had dishonesty at the top that made the whole system fundamentally unequal. Starlight failed for the reasons all villains on the show have failed: overconfidence, lack of integrity, and a flawed or absent understanding of friendship. The fact that her system had political elements does not make it, or her, a straw man.

 

The one thing I agree with you on is that the moral (not morale) was overly simplified. Double Diamond yelling "let's go get our cutie marks back" as soon as Starlight retreated, and the whole village stampeding to the vault to do just that--abandoning their whole worldview and lifestyle en masse--was completely unconvincing and a poor writing decision. To me it stood out as the only weak moment in the episode. Unfortunately, they needed it to happen so that Starlight could be caught and they would get their cutie marks back. I guess they didn't have any better ideas.  :mellow:

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The whole equality thing. At no point did we ever get any sort of reason why this was occurring, or that the idea of equality in general (not the one the show was pushing in the episode) had any merits to it. Basically the whole idea was set up to be wrong from the getgo which is what a strawman is, a position set up to favor the oppositions point of view.   Though to be fair I am most certainly overthinking this. I guess I sort of wanted a very grey morale, that the villain was trying to do right and with no real message. I'm not a huge fan of messages in my media. 

 

To me, the premiere didn't seem to be setting up a strawman argument against equality. They weren't sending the message that equality was a bad thing, and in the end the reason that the villagers stopped following Starlight Glimmer was because she wasn't equal with the rest of them. I personally think that they were all too equal, but one could also interpret it as them not being equal enough.

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I do not like the new banner as of today at all. There I said it so if anyone wants to call me out on it do so.

 

It just looks more like someone has a wingboner for wings. 

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There's some sort of message in every form of media. If you have no message, you have no content.

 

I beg to differ with your interpretation of the episode. It was made very clear why Starlight was running the equality village: she believes different cutie marks lead to different special talents,  which lead to some ponies having advantages and abilities other ponies don't, which leads to conflict and pain and potential disaster. Her vision and her reasons, which the village also shared, were repeated throughout the episode. Nobody had to come out and scream at us that the general concept of equality "had merit." It's the 21st century. That's self-evident.

 

Fluttershy approved of the idea and what she saw of the end result; Twilight initially wondered why they'd even been sent out there, because nothing seemed to be wrong. Unfortunately, many things were wrong. And while the writers seemed to take clear inspiration from the writings of George Orwell and the USSR, that doesn't mean they were falsely representing the entire concept of socialism or communism in order to tear it down. That's pure speculation. What they presented us with was a specific type of communal society that was poorly thought out, maintained via extreme measures, and had dishonesty at the top that made the whole system fundamentally unequal. Starlight failed for the reasons all villains on the show have failed: overconfidence, lack of integrity, and a flawed or absent understanding of friendship. The fact that her system had political elements does not make it, or her, a straw man.

 

The one thing I agree with you on is that the moral (not morale) was overly simplified. Double Diamond yelling "let's go get our cutie marks back" as soon as Starlight retreated, and the whole village stampeding to the vault to do just that--abandoning their whole worldview and lifestyle en masse--was completely unconvincing and a poor writing decision. To me it stood out as the only weak moment in the episode. Unfortunately, they needed it to happen so that Starlight could be caught and they would get their cutie marks back. I guess they didn't have any better ideas.  :mellow:

 

True about the messages, I just like subtly is all, or a fairer representation of the other side or balls to the wall satire.  :lol:

 

I disagree about Starlight. I didn't see any evidence that Starlight actually believed in her own propaganda.  Also we never get an actual reason why someone would choose equality other than a vague "Starlight told me it causes problems and arguments" How about showing the evils of the other side? (though they very well could do this later on) 

 

To me, the premiere didn't seem to be setting up a strawman argument against equality. They weren't sending the message that equality was a bad thing, and in the end the reason that the villagers stopped following Starlight Glimmer was because she wasn't equal with the rest of them. I personally think that they were all too equal, but one could also interpret it as them not being equal enough.

 

I guess I just would have like a better counterargument from the equalists, like anecdotes and counterarguments as to why equality may be something one chooses.  Show us someponies that used to live in a system that was rampant with inequality, where the few profited off the many and then the realization that in going to far in the other direction they have become like the ones they ran away from. 

 

Finally I'd like to point out I liked the premier, this is a rather minor complaint about it from my point of view. 

 

Sidenote: you both quoted me and I didn't get a notification. Anyone know what's up with that? 


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Off the "topic" of the season 5 debate being held in the middle of a 318-page long thread on unpopular opinions that I am sure has had debates in its 318 pages in the past, my "unpopular" opinion is that Americans are turning into zombies, literally, by the fast food/gmo/pharmacy/drugs/etc. that people ingest today.

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I don't enjoy having Asperger's Syndrome therefore, I don't think it's a blessing in disguise.

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-The season premier was nice. But,it wasn't worth the long wait.

 

-Starlight Glimmer is now my second favorite villain/antagonist. She would be my favorite,if it wasn't for Discord's antics.

 

-I dislike Double Diamond and the other ponies. 

 

-I hate sitcom laugh tracks. They're sooooooooooooooo annoying.

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I hate it when people say in a 90's related video "I was born in {2000-present} and I remember this"

 

Yeah, good for you, I'm sure a bunch of people that same age remember it too.

 

With that said, I also hate it when people say "ONLY 90s KIDS WILL REMEMBER THIS!" for similar reasons.

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- US Media can get a bit too over the top when it comes to political correctness. 

- Nicolas Cage is the true messiah 

- Scientology isn't really a religion. 

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How?
 

 

5th edition was only made because people hated 4th and switched to Pathfinder. So Wotc wanted to go back to 3rd but had to make the rules incompatible. So it had to be the same but different. Why wouldn't a player just stick with 3.5 or Pathfinder?

How many times can they rehash the same basic game? I hate the advantage system. It is gimmicky.

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I enjoyed watching Adventure Time and Regular Show before I came into contact with this show.

I like most unicorn stallions in the show, including Shining Armor, Prince Blueblood, King Sombra.

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  • Drug use is the consumer's choice. It's a foolish choice, but still a consumer choice.

Shining Armor really isn't a good husband for throwing his wife at things.

Baseball is the true American sport.

Whoever made up the current college loan system should be arrested.

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I actually like D&D 4th Edition. It's what got me into the whole tabletop scene in the first place and I absolutely love it. I think it's great for new players hoping to join tabletop gaming. Sure, it's simpler than 3.5 or Pathfinder, but I see that as a bit of a plus. Why overwhelm newcomers?

 

It also pisses me off that people bitch about 4th Edition sucking and continually say how great 3.5 is or shitting on people who play 4th Edition. Christ people, do you not want new players joining? Stop trying to make it your own secret club.


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Pinkie Pie hasn't really been funny lately. Every since the second half of Season 2, she's turning from "Pinkie Pie" to "The Pink Energetic One."

 

Which is sad, because she used to be my favorite for a loooong time.

 

When has she ever been funny?

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Oh the many times I could count. 

Ah. I often feel weird about humor because most of it I don't find funny at all. I like Pinkie as a character, but I don't really get "humor".

I immensly dislike Sunset Shimmer. 2bland4me.

 

Rainbow Rocks was good, but it isn't "fantastic" or "amazing" like many people say.

 

Windows XP should've been discontinued like 3/4 years before it actually was.

Well, they haven't really built up her character. We don't really have a firm grasp on her personality, likes/dislikes etc., but one thing Rainbow Rocks did well was showing her ideas in what friendship should be.

Ageism is worse than racism.

How exactly? Does ageism cause violence against groups of people?

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