What Happened to Disney?

[Acoustic Cloud 2,202]

John Lasseter has been the Executive Producer for every Disney animated movie since Meet the Robinsons and almost every Pixar movie since Toy Story 2.

 

i'm just speaking on writers terms... and no wonder i stopped liking the movies produced after around that era of writing or so....

[Marceline 187]

I miss the old 2D animated movies. I'm rather sick of this CG crap. It all looks the same. My favourite Disney movie was always Mulan. . . er, nevermind that.

 

Anyway, they've just seem to've given into the media's poisoning; or "gone modern," as it is so termed. Pfft.

[irobern2857 95]

I miss the old 2D animated movies. I'm rather sick of this CG crap. It all looks the same. My favourite Disney movie was always Mulan. . . er, nevermind that.

 

Anyway, they've just seem to've given into the media's poisoning; or "gone modern," as it is so termed. Pfft.

 

by far mulan was the best movie that they did in the old 2D style and they used to have really good and original music but now it is just so bad

[brian577 120]

I miss the old 2D animated movies. I'm rather sick of this CG crap. It all looks the same. My favourite Disney movie was always Mulan. . . er, nevermind that.

 

Anyway, they've just seem to've given into the media's poisoning; or "gone modern," as it is so termed. Pfft.

 

A good is a good movie regardless of how it was made. I don't care if a movie is made using traditional hand drawn, CGI, Clamation or Flash, and all types have varying styles depending on the studios and animators making and even in the same studio. Does Ice Age look anything like Rio made by the same studio? Does Tangled look anything like Meet the Robinsons? My two favorite Disney movies are The Lion King and Bolt, one CG and one traditionally animated and I don't my base enjoyment of either on how they were made, I base it on the characters and stories being told

Edited August 29, 2012 by brian577

[~Sugar Sprinkles~ 638]

Disney has gotten worse. Well...in a way. I mean, most of the movies are made are folktales, tall tales, old stories. But, Disney does tend to change some things and some stories are worse. I do take favor in some of their new movies.

[Dusty Soul 2,611]

Disney became more about selling toys and cd's then actually creating decent TV shows. I actually like some if not most Disney movies, as long as their not Disney Channel movies... I really don't like how it seems everyone that Disney hires as an actress, releases an album, just to get more money for the show.

[Marceline 187]

A good is a good movie regardless of how it was made. I don't care if a movie is made using traditional hand drawn, CGI, Clamation or Flash, and all types have varying styles depending on the studios and animators making and even in the same studio. Does Ice Age look anything like Rio made by the same studio? Does Tangled look anything like Meet the Robinsons? My two favorite Disney movies are The Lion King and Bolt, one CG and one traditionally animated and I don't my base enjoyment of either on how they were made, I base it on the characters and stories being told

 

But I really don't find most of the stories interesting. It seems like all the same content, just with different characters. It's predictable and cliched. And yeah, they practically all do look the same to me . . . there's no originality in the animation, the art. Part of this kind of entertainment, especially with Disney, is the art. You watch it the entire time, it's supposed to take you to a different world, to make the story come alive. But neither the stories nor the art are drawing me to any of Disney's new stuff in general.

[Pony Joe 583]

Last decade they produced hardly anything worth mentioning, but they seem to be trying a LOT harder in recent years. Bolt, Tangled, last year's The Muppets...

 

...wait a minute, I just realized I can't think of any others. Huh.

Edited August 30, 2012 by Pony Joe

[Marceline 187]

Last decade they produced hardly anything worth mentioning, but they seem to be trying a LOT harder in recent years. Bolt, Tangled, last year's The Muppets...

 

...wait a minute, I just realized I can't think of any others. Huh.

 

Personally, I was not impressed with Bolt. I had a couple laughs, but I barely even remember the movie. Haven't seen The Muppets, nor Tangled; though I have been hearing many-a good thing about Tangled.

[MrFox 44]

Well, I am looking forward to Wreck-it Ralph. It looks pretty good. And like other people have said, it's hard to tell whether it's the change in society or a degrade in quality.

[moneyshredderofdeath 414]

I'd definitely recommend last year's Muppets film as well. The film pretty much launched my obsession with Muppets in general.

[brian577 120]

But I really don't find most of the stories interesting. It seems like all the same content, just with different characters. It's predictable and cliched. And yeah, they practically all do look the same to me . . . there's no originality in the animation, the art. Part of this kind of entertainment, especially with Disney, is the art. You watch it the entire time, it's supposed to take you to a different world, to make the story come alive. But neither the stories nor the art are drawing me to any of Disney's new stuff in general.

 

No originality? Bolt and Tangled relied heavily on backgrounds that were designed to look painted, the former going for a classic Americana look inspired by Edward Hoppers' painting, if that's not originality and dare I say, art, I don't know what is. As for story, you are aware that over half of all Disney animated films are based on pre existing material of somekind? You know what is cliche? Disney in general. The villian almost always falls off of something do his death, the guy always gets the girl and the girl is always (at least in the 90s) head strong and doesn't mesh with the role society thinks she needs to fill. But I don't care how cliche it is as long as the chararacters are interesting and resonate with me on some level. For me Disney has one thing going for it that I don't believe it has ever lost. Heart, of the 51 released films no Disney film has lacked that to me, and I watched every one over the past 8 months. Even a medicore film like Chicken Little or (for me) the worst of them all The Aristocats, which was nothing but a combination of the Jungle Book's Baloo in cat form (even the same VA) combined with a 101 Dalmations style story (that is what I call a lack of originality) had heart.

Edited August 30, 2012 by brian577

[Marceline 187]

No originality? Bolt and Tangled relied heavily on backgrounds that were designed to look painted, the former going for a classic Americana look inspired by Edward Hoppers' painting, if that's not originality and dare I say, art, I don't know what is. As for story, you are aware that over half of all Disney animated films are based on pre existing material of somekind? You know what is cliche? Disney in general. The villian almost always falls off of something do his death, the guy always gets the girl and the girl is always (at least in the 90s) head strong and doesn't mesh with the role society thinks she needs to fill. But I don't care how cliche it is as long as the chararacters are interesting and resonate with me on some level. For me Disney has one thing going for it that I don't believe it has ever lost. Heart, of the 51 released films no Disney film has lacked that to me, and I watched every one over the past 8 months. Even a medicore film like Chicken Little or (for me) the worst of them all The Aristocats, which was nothing but a combination of the Jungle Book's Baloo in cat form (even the same VA) combined with a 101 Dalmations style story (that is what I call a lack of originality) had heart.

 

Bolt didn't stick with me, I didn't particularly like it. I have not yet bothered to see Tangled. I am aware that many Disney films are based on old folk and fairy tales, but it seems as if many are being reused and "revamped," and I don't find them very interesting. It is cliche . . . that's why the story doesn't always interest me. I'm not going to bother watching it if it's so predictable that I can figure everything out just from watching a trailer. I find a lot of the characters are cliche, too.

 

It's just not my thing, especially not the newer stuff. I have little to no interest in it at all, for reasons I've already stated. Just because I don't find Disney in general to be particularly intriguing does not mean you need to act as if I were attacking you. I'm getting a hostile vibe from you right now, which is why I say this. We obviously have different tastes. I'm guessing you wouldn't like something like Lenore, the Cute Little Dead Girl, for example?

[brian577 120]

Bolt didn't stick with me, I didn't particularly like it. I have not yet bothered to see Tangled. I am aware that many Disney films are based on old folk and fairy tales, but it seems as if many are being reused and "revamped," and I don't find them very interesting. It is cliche . . . that's why the story doesn't always interest me. I'm not going to bother watching it if it's so predictable that I can figure everything out just from watching a trailer. I find a lot of the characters are cliche, too.

 

It's just not my thing, especially not the newer stuff. I have little to no interest in it at all, for reasons I've already stated. Just because I don't find Disney in general to be particularly intriguing does not mean you need to act as if I were attacking you. I'm getting a hostile vibe from you right now, which is why I say this. We obviously have different tastes. I'm guessing you wouldn't like something like Lenore, the Cute Little Dead Girl, for example?

 

To be honest I'd never heard of Lenore. Sorry if I came on a little strong, tt's just that judging an animated program based soley on the medium used to create it (which I guess you weren't doing) is something that easily sets me off. If you want to see what Disney has been doing with tradtional animation lately, take a look at these.

Shown with Winnie the Pooh last year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eaf_NWTiMDM

Shown with National Treasure 2 back in 2007

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYCVUtkwxw

Edited August 30, 2012 by brian577

[Marceline 187]

To be honest I'd never heard of Lenore. Sorry if I came on a little strong, tt's just that judging an animated program based soley on the medium used to create it (which I guess you weren't doing) is something that easily sets me off. If you want to see what Disney has been doing with tradtional animation lately, take a look at these.

Shown with Winnie the Pooh last year

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eaf_NWTiMDM

Shown with National Treasure 2 back in 2007

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYCVUtkwxw

 

The Nessie one was kind of cute. Wasn't particularly intrigued or impressed by the Goofy one. -shrug- Just not exactly my cup of tea.

 

Oh, here's Lenore and other stuff.

[brian577 120]

The Nessie one was kind of cute. Wasn't particularly intrigued or impressed by the Goofy one. -shrug- Just not exactly my cup of tea.

 

Oh, here's Lenore and other stuff.

 

 

It sounds like you've changed not Disney. I gave two you examples showing Disney hasn't given up on traditional animation and you brush them off as unimpressive. This one is a few years older, but perhaps it's more your style.:

 

Found on The Little Mermaid DVD, if this one doesn't make you cry, you have no soul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUSzQBaWq0Q

[Marceline 187]

It sounds like you've changed not Disney. I gave two you examples showing Disney hasn't given up on traditional animation and you brush them off as unimpressive. This one is a few years older, but perhaps it's more your style.:

 

Found on The Little Mermaid DVD, if this one doesn't make you cry, you have no soul

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUSzQBaWq0Q

 

Oh, no no no, the animation was fine, I liked the animation, but I meant I wasn't impressed by the content. I wasn't judging it based solely on animation, not at all. I loved the way Nessie was animated and I liked the majority of the story. The second one was just Goofy being Goofy, which is amusing, but it's not something really interesting to me, you know what I'm trying to say?

 

I liked the way that Match Girl one was animated. I liked the style and the colours, and the movement. It had a bittersweet story (which I find refreshing), even if I knew she was going to die by the time the horse and carriage came around. . No tears though, bro, sorry.

[irobern2857 95]

I know that i am kind of contradicting myself but i think that Wreck it Ralph will be a great film and i want to go see it. i will probably go to see it this weekend.

[GuillermoGage 246]

Have you guys even SEEN the stuff they've been putting out recently? There was that AMAZING Winnie The Pooh reboot, Tangled was pretty damn awesome, Bolt was quite good as well, and on top of that their TV cartoons are getting really good too. (Gravity Falls, Phineas and Ferb, Fish Hooks, Kick Buttowski, Motorcity, etc.)

 

That's the thing about "Disney". They are huge and encompass a lot of different lines of entertainment. If you don't wanna get into the live-action popstar TV stuff then there's other stuff. It's not like Disney Channel ever held a candle to Drake and Josh or Amanda Show or All That.

[Nah 3,182]

@@irobern2857,

 

I might go see it on DVD, I don't really go to the theater anymore to see a movie. Yeah, it seems they are starting to get original with their movies, but worse with their TV shows.

[irobern2857 95]

@@irobern2857,

 

I might go see it on DVD, I don't really go to the theater anymore to see a movie. Yeah, it seems they are starting to get original with their movies, but worse with their TV shows.

 

Ya their movies arn't so bad but their shows have no good plot to them anymore they are dry and boring. even some of their good shows like Fineus and Pherb have dried up and are dying.

[AegisReflector 886]

There are soooooo many haters on this topic lol. Disney has been producing great quality films for some time now, it's just people are so used to the early 2000's Disney where the creative drive just wasn't there to the point of ousting out Disney for every movie they release. Heck, just look at the Lucasfilm buyout. People aren't even giving Disney a chance with the Star Wars flims even though recent flicks like Tangled, Princess and the Frog, and Toy Story 3 all did pretty well at the box office and were filled with critical acclaim. I loved all of them. It shows that Disney is at least trying to get back into their 90's groove.

 

To me, Disney had 2 dry spells, both following with recovery periods. The first one was back in the early 70's when Disney's animation branch was at a major disadvantage following the death of Walt himself in 1966. Because of this, Disney shat out a lot of disappointing films including Robin Hood, the first Winnie the Pooh movie, Black Cauldron (which, actually, is one of my favorite animated films), and Oliver and Company. Especially after the box office failure of Black Cauldron, everybody thought Disney (much like today) had lost their touch and would continue to produce shitty movies and eventually go into bankruptcy, only to be proven wrong.

 

You all remember Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Possibly the greatest flick to hit the animation scene, Roger Rabbit created the whole basis of the "Disney Renaissance", a recovery period from about 1988 - 2000 in which Disney created a very fine set of classic films using young and innovative animators to get Disney's reputation back on track, including The Great Mouse Detective, The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Hercules, Mulan, Tarzan, and Fantasia 2000. People had restored faith in the company and when fans of the movies talk about the golden age of animation, they usually refer it to either the 60's or the Disney Renaissance, because all of these movies were finely animated and well acted, and truly a giant staple to the American culture.

 

However, after 2000 (I'd say around the time The Emperor's New Groove was released), Disney again hit a slump, it's second dry spell. With DreamWorks and other CGI studios taking on Disney's "hand-drawn animation", Disney would ultimately lose with the new computer animation movement. Atlantis: The Lost Empire, Treasure Planet, Brother Bear, and Home on the Range are prime examples, losing to the Shrek franchise, Madagascar franchise, and even releases from overseas including the Miyazaki movie Spirited Away. I actually did enjoy Treasure Planet and Brother Bear, but as far as this certain period goes, only Lilo & Stitch was really successful with audiences, a movie that I wanted to throw in the trash. The period also marked the change in Disney's move to CGI films, including Chicken Little, Meet The Robinsons, and Bolt. Chicken Little was "meh" while the other two were just downright crappy. This is when people (AGAIN) started to lose faith in Disney (probably also didn't help that also during the late 90's and early 2000's that Disney Channel began producing utter teen shit and signing on talentless tween singers) and basically made the company a mockery again.

 

However, when I saw The Princess and the Frog, I was immediately hooked. Going back to their hand-drawn animation with a little computer animation involved, this film goes back to the roots of the 90's, having awesome musicals, great animation reels, and a great cast of characters. I consider The Princess and the Frog the start of another recovery period. Tangled was the first Disney CGI film (not Pixar Disney, just straight-up Disney) that I really enjoyed, and the new Winnie The Pooh movie was absolutely adorable. Audiences agree too, as all three were box office successes.

 

Hopefully Wreck-It Ralph will continue the tradition of Disney CGI films that will leave me with a pleasant feeling as I leave the theater. I'll probably see it next weekend or something.

 

POINT IS THAT Disney is experiencing newfound greatness. Sure, it might not be as grand as the Disney Renaissance period, but it's a start. The company has bumped back before from a severe animation crisis, they are more likely to do it again as these last 3 films have proven. I assure you that Disney will be a creative tablet for many years to come, they just need to make the right business decisions and have the right creative consultants.

 

Oh, did I mention that I'm a huge DISNEY FAN?!

[irobern2857 95]

 

I actually agree with almost everything that you said. I did not see the Princess and the Frog (this sounds a little ironic because im typing this on a MLP fansite and Mulan is one of my favorite Disney films) because it looked a little girly so i cant comment on that film but there are a few films like tangled that looked really bad. i do think Weck it Ralph will help them get going again. and the shows that they started to make are horrible and the Live action movies like HSM and Camp Rock were complete crap

[Forlong 1,726]

I watched "Wreck-it Ralph" just yesterday, so I have no idea what you're talking about. Yes, there was a time where Disney movies weren't good, but that is quite over.

 

Edit: 100th reply to this thread! WOO-HOO!

Edited November 3, 2012 by Forlong

[winter156 9]

well yes disney was good back then but some movies they make now are good like wreck it raph for example which im looking forward to.

And yeah disney needs to make good animated movies now instead of cgi some are good but still they need more animated movies.