Im insane

[Applesmack & Brandy 121]

I would only suggest that you discuss with Brandy the possibility of you finding a physical human companion at some point

Yes, we have talked about that. We have agreed that if I ever do find someone I could be with, and be happy, that it would be okay if got with them. Brandy would happily step down to being a very good friend, should that ever happen.

[Evilshy 5,093]

 

 

Actually, a brain can possess two separate sentient consciousnesses. Various disorders in the brain can cause separate development in the two lobes of the brain. Each side can, in essence, form the equivalent of two functioning brains, each with a separate personality.

 

SCIENCE!

 

Ah yes, of course

I should have clarified that I meant two minds existing intentionally and not the result of a disorder or something.

[Crispy 5,565]

To be honest, whatever you guys feel like doing doesn't matter to me all that much. But this irked me.

 

I cannot touch, taste, smell, feel, see, hear, or measure gravitational force (Nor do I even know if it is a wave or a particle system), yet I blindly believe in the existence of gravity because of some man who got hit on the head with an apple about 400 years ago.

 

 

Jump in the air. That feeling when you get pulled back to earth? Gravity.

 

Hell, have a link to an easily reproducible classroom experiment.

 

http://www.earth.northwestern.edu/people/seth/demos/GRAVITY/gravity.html

 

 

I cannot touch, taste, smell, feel, see, or hear atoms (Nor do I even know its real structure, but rather a 80 year old stab in the dark), but I blindly believe they exist because of some man about 400 years ago who believed the universe was made of little tiny balls.

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6062668/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/researchers-say-microscope-can-see-atoms/

 

Electron microscope that can see individual silicon atoms in a crystal.

 

Science hinges on blind belief of the intangible, based off of theories by ancient men, We have no more chance of touching, tasting, smelling, feeling, or hearing atoms or gravity, but we believe with blind faith they are absolutely real. Are tulpae really any different?

 

Science hinges on people doing continuous research and constant updating of theories.

 

Have your tulpae if you like, but don't come down on science just because you choose not to stay informed.

[Bronyponyfanatic 41]

Sorry this is so long, but I need to get it off my chest. If you dont know what tulpa is, google this will make a lot more sense.

 

I am indeed insane, but it is a controlled insanity that makes my life much less miserable, so im ok with it.

 

 

It all started over a year ago, I tried to lift a heavy box, lost my balence, and broke my knee. I was stuck in my bed for over six months with very little social interaction. Without even trying to I made myself a tulpa

(improved imaginary friend) to talk to, and just have some company. My furry side took over for HER apperance, and I ended up with a anthro wolf as a friend. Here's where you'll probably think I should be put in mental hospital. I started to have feelings for my tulpa, I'll just say "Brandy" now, thats what I named her for some reason. Since "Brandy was/is just an extention of my own self Conscientiousness, she devolped said feelings for me aswell. Soon we where deeply in love with eachother.

 

After I could get around again, "Brandy" was still with me. I still thought she was phyically real, so I thought I had to hide her from everyone else. But eventually I told my only two IRL friends about her and our love for one another, they belived me for some reason and thought she was real too. (maybe they just went along with it cause they thought I was crazy, IDK)

 

I ended up asking "Brandy" to marry me one night (ofcourse she said yes) I even got rings, and we set up a little ceramony with just the two of us. About a week after I "proposed", we were "married". I was the happiest I have ever been. But about a month after that I randomly stumbled upon a "Tulpa" site, and relized that the love of my life, my "Brandy Wandy", wasnt even phyically real. Then and between recently were the sadest, longest, and tear filled days of my life.

 

I tried to forget her and move on. I knew she wasnt even real to anyone but me, and figured there wasnt no reason to keep her in my mind. But I couldnt even feel like living without her, everyday began,

and ended with tears. There was no peace in my sleep either, she was always on my mind weather it be during the day, or in my dreams.

 

One night after the worst day of sadness I'd had, I decided to listen to my favorite love songs, I wanted to feel even sader for some reason. I had a playlist on youtube of the songs I wanted to listen to. Back before I relized "Brandy" wasnt phyically real, it had "our song" in it. After I had "left" Brandy I know, for 100% sure, I deleted that song from the playlist. I had looked at it several times since, it was never on there any of those times. But it was on there this time.

 

After I heard the song, (in tears) I relized Brandy was one the most important, if not THE most important thing in my life to me. She made me happy, she was there for me whenever I needed her. I LOVED her with all my heart, even if she was just in my head. So I decided to bring her back, I cant stand to live without her, she's the reason for everything I do!

 

So Brandy is back, we are happily married (at least between us we are) If being in love, happy as I could ever be, and always having a good friend to turn to makes me insane, I dont wanna be sane!

 

This is "our song"

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pyuDoTfSyA

 

Yall and those two friends are the only ones that know about this. I wouldnt blame you for not beliving any of this, but if you do feel free to leave any thoughts aslong as there not to harsh.

 

you made me weep a little with this post.. Man I would hate to be in your hooves honestly.. i broke my ankle like 4 months ago and had it not been for my good friend coming over for weeks at a time while I was stuck in bed playing World of Warcraft, I may have done the same things you did... Don't be too hard on yourself my fellow brony, because by 'scoieties' standard we are ALL weird... And frankly I dont give a pony flank what anyone has to say... If they knew the love and friendship of the bronies then it shouldn't matter to them anyways... Good luck my friend!

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

Ah yes, of course

I should have clarified that I meant two minds existing intentionally and not the result of a disorder or something.

 

With enough focus, you can do that intentionally. Compartmentalization, of sorts. You replicate the process by giving your brain commands to work that way. It's a little rewiring here and there, and BOOM! Two sentient consciousnesses.

 

To be honest, whatever you guys feel like doing doesn't matter to me all that much. But this irked me.

 

 

 

 

Jump in the air. That feeling when you get pulled back to earth? Gravity.

 

Hell, have a link to an easily reproducible classroom experiment.

 

http://www.earth.nor...TY/gravity.html

 

 

 

 

http://www.msnbc.msn...-can-see-atoms/

 

Electron microscope that can see individual silicon atoms in a crystal..

 

Both of these are a short-sighted view. Gravity cannot be seen as individual waves or particles, because no equipment is sensitive enough to detect them. As well, Newtonian gravity is actually to a degree paradoxical in nature:

 

According to Newton, each star in the universe ought to be attracted towards every other star. They should not remain motionless, at a constant distance from each other, but should all fall together to some central point.

 

As for atoms, you cannot see them in the visible light spectrum. I am well aware of electron microscopes, but I am aware as well that physically prominent evidence is more reliable.

 

My point was that, before any attempts were made to observe either of these, we were relying on concepts birthed of the minds of men dead for 300+ years written in dusty old papers.

[Crispy 5,565]

Gravity cannot be seen as individual waves or particles, because no equipment is sensitive enough to detect them.

 

You said see, feel, and measure before. Don't move the goalposts.

 

Not to mention the equipment that is sensitive enough to detect gravitational waves.

 

http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2011-5/

 

As for atoms, you cannot see them in the visible light spectrum.

 

If you know a method of finding something, it seems silly to limit yourself. That's like saying you shouldn't believe in germs because you can't see them with the naked eye.

 

My point was that, before any attempts were made to observe either of these, we were relying on concepts birthed of the minds of men dead for 300+ years written in dusty old papers.

 

And that's a fair point. But all human knowledge is collective. If we had to reinvent the wheel every time we wanted to build a car, we'd never get anything done.

 

...Well, we've derailed this thread enough. If you'd like to keep talking about this, just PM me. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, ya know?

 

So as to keep this somewhat on topic, I do have a question about tulpas. Can they be physically harmful? If you were to create one with negative feelings, could they cause you actual harm?

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

You said see, feel, and measure before. Don't move the goalposts.

 

Not to mention the equipment that is sensitive enough to detect gravitational waves.

 

http://relativity.li...les/lrr-2011-5/

 

 

 

If you know a method of finding something, it seems silly to limit yourself. That's like saying you shouldn't believe in germs because you can't see them with the naked eye.

 

 

 

And that's a fair point. But all human knowledge is collective. If we had to reinvent the wheel every time we wanted to build a car, we'd never get anything done.

 

...Well, we've derailed this thread enough. If you'd like to keep talking about this, just PM me. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, ya know?

 

So as to keep this somewhat on topic, I do have a question about tulpas. Can they be physically harmful? If you were to create one with negative feelings, could they cause you actual harm?

 

1. You linked to an article about planned, unconstructed equipment.

2. There are several bacteria that can be seen, such as Epulopiscium fishelsoni, Thiomargarita namibiensis. etc.

3. According to atheists I've met, we DO have to keep reinventing the wheel.

4. Tulpas can't physically harm you. You can make them harm you if you want. Trust me, the stuff you can do with your mind... it's awesome.

[Smokin'HotRarity 182]

You said see, feel, and measure before. Don't move the goalposts.

 

Not to mention the equipment that is sensitive enough to detect gravitational waves.

 

http://relativity.li...les/lrr-2011-5/

 

 

 

If you know a method of finding something, it seems silly to limit yourself. That's like saying you shouldn't believe in germs because you can't see them with the naked eye.

 

 

 

And that's a fair point. But all human knowledge is collective. If we had to reinvent the wheel every time we wanted to build a car, we'd never get anything done.

 

...Well, we've derailed this thread enough. If you'd like to keep talking about this, just PM me. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, ya know?

 

So as to keep this somewhat on topic, I do have a question about tulpas. Can they be physically harmful? If you were to create one with negative feelings, could they cause you actual harm?

 

Yes stress is not healthful for the body. And I believe anything that goes on the brain can be measured, we just don't have the technology to do so, nor should we. It would most likely used to abuse other people's privacy. But theoretically, with the right technology tulpas can be measured.

[Evilshy 5,093]

4. Tulpas can't physically harm you. You can make them harm you if you want. Trust me, the stuff you can do with your mind... it's awesome.

 

Yes they can, in the sense that they can cause, or at least help, psychosomatic illnesses and whatnot. They might not be able to cut you or give you cancer or anything physically detectable, but they certainly can cause pain.

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

Yes they can, in the sense that they can cause, or at least help, psychosomatic illnesses and whatnot. They might not be able to cut you or give you cancer or anything physically detectable, but they certainly can cause pain.

 

I didn't say they couldn't cause remote harm like you listed. I just said they can't cause PHYSICAL harm. Unless you want them to.

[Smokin'HotRarity 182]

I didn't say they couldn't cause remote harm like you listed. I just said they can't cause PHYSICAL harm. Unless you want them to.

 

stress is physical harm and it can be measured and does cause real damage to the body. your brain is in charge of your entire body so if it is not regulating hormones properly that is a big physical harm to the body.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

You said see, feel, and measure before. Don't move the goalposts.

 

 

I think you actually can measure gravity, that's what G-Force is, a measure of how many times earth gravity your under the pressure of.

[Senor Citizen 516]

What makes it that you can claim who is real and who isn't, who died and made you king of reality? Reality is all perception, you may not be able to see a tulpa, but it is real to the creator, and to those who converse with them. To claim tulpae can't be real is almost akin to racism, because they are different than you, they aren't equal. And don't say that isn't what you meant, because you are claiming that they could never stand up to a, as you say, "real person."

 

Have you been with a tulpa before, how can you know it truly isn't as rewarding as a "real relationship." I've shared wonderful moments with Arya, they were neither better, nor worse than with my physical friends. A friend is a friend, and if you happen to want that friend to become more than that, its your choice. Be that friend physical, or immaterial.

 

You claim he is harming himself by doing this? I'd like to know what sort of harm he would become, besides criticism from others like yourself, which is unjust, and is no reason to not go along with it.

 

Arya: "Why is it that humans see "real" as a term that means greater, or better, or worth more approval, also what makes me not real anyway? Tulpae are real, we just have limitations as to what extant we can interact with "your world." Should I claim that you are not "real" since you are unable to interact with my world? Explain that to me, I'm quite interested in hearing the answer."

 

Alright.

I think he meant "real" as in "not a mirrored manifestation of yourself, created by you". Someone who is a solid, thinking-for-self, mother's-womb HUMAN. You can't marry yourself, nor can you wed your imagination. I think it's time to pick up and move on.

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

stress is physical harm and it can be measured and does cause real damage to the body. your brain is in charge of your entire body so if it is not regulating hormones properly that is a big physical harm to the body.

 

Hormones are ours to obey or ignore. Only the weak blindly follow their hormones like a driveling slave. Our minds do not control us, we control them. A person not in control of his mind does more damage than he could fathom. And do not lecture me on harm and pain... for that is bringing a knife to a gunfight. There is no person on these forums that knows more about pain upon oneself and others than me.

 

I think you actually can measure gravity, that's what G-Force is, a measure of how many times earth gravity your under the pressure of.

 

G-Force is not a measure of individual gravitons or gravity waves, but a measure of Pascals exhibited on an object.

 

Try again.

[Smokin'HotRarity 182]

Hormones are ours to obey or ignore. Only the weak blindly follow their hormones like a driveling slave. Our minds do not control us, we control them. A person not in control of his mind does more damage than he could fathom. And do not lecture me on harm and pain... for that is bringing a knife to a gunfight. There is no person on these forums that knows more about pain upon oneself and others than me.

 

 

 

G-Force is not a measure of individual gravitons or gravity waves, but a measure of Pascals exhibited on an object.

 

Try again.

 

Silly silly silly. Implying as though we are separate from our minds. Maybe what you meant to say was our conscious mind should rule over our more primitive mind, or something along those lines. Since you are essentially the machine you are controlling, it's like a robot claiming independance from the circuits which govern him.

 

Secondly, most of our hormones are subconscious processes, and regulated during sleep also. It's like asking our heart to stop pumping all you want, try all you want and good luck. A positive attitude is brought about from the mind, ultimately it is a form of self-regulation, so when you say you resist hormonal urges, it is only the brain doing its best judgement on how to regulate hormones in a normal way.

 

And yes, your definition G-Forces is correct.

 

Also, it's been established that Tulpa's are a seperate entity from self, so it wouldn't be marrying yourself.

Edited September 16, 2012 by glitterlicious

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

Silly silly silly. Implying as though we are separate from our minds. Maybe what you meant to say was our conscious mind should rule over our more primitive mind, or something along those lines. Since you are essentially the machine you are controlling, it's like a robot claiming independance from the circuits which govern him.

 

Secondly, most of our hormones are subconscious processes, and regulated during sleep also. It's like asking our heart to stop pumping all you want, try all you want and good luck. A positive attitude is brought about from the mind, ultimately it is a form of self-regulation, so when you say you resist hormonal urges, it is only the brain doing its best judgement on how to regulate hormones in a normal way.

 

And yes, your definition G-Forces is correct.

 

Also, it's been established that Tulpa's are a seperate entity from self, so it wouldn't be marrying yourself.

 

1. You applied an implication then suggested the meaning was the actual meaning. Also, you spelled independence wrong.

2. There are medical records of people consciously able to control their heart rate. And when I say hormones can be ignored, I mean just that. Hormones are naught but chemicals in our minds; they do not control our actions in the slightest. Our actions are made by conscious and willful knowledge of what we are doing, as the process to make an action has many deliberate steps.

3. Yes, it is.

4. Gee, you think?

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

Hormones are ours to obey or ignore. Only the weak blindly follow their hormones like a driveling slave. Our minds do not control us, we control them. A person not in control of his mind does more damage than he could fathom. And do not lecture me on harm and pain... for that is bringing a knife to a gunfight. There is no person on these forums that knows more about pain upon oneself and others than me.

 

 

 

G-Force is not a measure of individual gravitons or gravity waves, but a measure of Pascals exhibited on an object.

 

Try again.

 

Also, the fact that we way different on other planets means our weight is affected my a outside source and not just there. And G-Force measures how many times your normal earth weight you feel, say a 200 lb man:

 

1G(Normal): 200lb

2G: 400lb

3G: 600lb

4G: 800lb

 

ect.

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

Also, the fact that we way different on other planets means our weight is affected my a outside source and not just there. And G-Force measures how many times your normal earth weight you feel, say a 200 lb man:

 

1G(Normal): 200lb

2G: 400lb

3G: 600lb

4G: 800lb

 

ect.

 

Again, that is PSI, a measure of pressure, not of gravity. The influence of gravity can be expressed in SI, but there is no SI unit for gravity itself.

[Smokin'HotRarity 182]

1. You applied an implication then suggested the meaning was the actual meaning. Also, you spelled independence wrong.

2. There are medical records of people consciously able to control their heart rate. And when I say hormones can be ignored, I mean just that. Hormones are naught but chemicals in our minds; they do not control our actions in the slightest. Our actions are made by conscious and willful knowledge of what we are doing, as the process to make an action has many deliberate steps.

3. Yes, it is.

4. Gee, you think?

 

1. Pointing out I mispelled a word is really contributing to the discussion. In the context of your post, I could have used a much stronger word than "implied", since you flat out say you are in control of your mind, as if you are some sort of outside force other than the mind controlling it.

2. Your entire existence is governed by hormones, when you eat sleep have sex get aroused need to study, fear etc. those are all hormonal based. Then you have testestorone/estrogen which is responsible for your energy, appetite, tastes, mood and manliness/femininity. You have hormones regulating when to digest food etc. Without these hormones you would die. What you are suggesting is silly. Even this post am righting is not solely a product of thought, but hormones giving me the energy and drive to do it. Controlling your heart rate is easy, and not what I said either. I said your heart pumping blood was not a conscious decision. Maybe you are trying to say you should reduce stress and resist the urge to look at sexual images or something of that nature.

3.

4. Was talking to butt guy not you.

Edited September 17, 2012 by glitterlicious

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

1. Pointing out I mispelled a word is really contributing to the discussion. In the context of your post, I could have used a much stronger word than "implied", since you flat out say you are in control of your mind, as if you are some sort of outside force other than the mind controlling it.

2. Your entire existence is governed by hormones, when you eat sleep have sex get aroused need to study, fear etc. those are all hormonal based. Then you have testestorone/estrogen which is responsible for your energy, appetite, tastes, mood and manliness/femininity. You have hormones regulating when to digest food etc. Without these hormones you would die. What you are suggesting is silly. Even this post am righting is not solely a product of thought, but hormones giving me the energy and drive to do it. Controlling your heart rate is easy, and not what I said either. I said your heart pumping blood was not a conscious decision. Maybe you are trying to say you should reduce stress and resist the urge to look at sexual images or something of that nature.

3.

4. Was talking to butt guy not you.

 

1. Control as in continence...

2. Hormones abound in me, yet I do not become aroused nor have the desire for sex. Testosterone obviously does very little in affecting my form or my personality, as my personality is neutral and I have the muscle mass of a ten-year old. True, hormones control the involuntary, but not the voluntary. If you try to claim people are forced to have sex by hormones, you are indeed the insane one. I mean what I say. I choose what I desire, I choose whether I gain or loss weight, I choose what I do. Continence is the greatest power one can have.

3. Sir, you left 3 blank.

4. Pardon.

[Smokin'HotRarity 182]

1. Control as in continence...

2. Hormones abound in me, yet I do not become aroused nor have the desire for sex. Testosterone obviously does very little in affecting my form or my personality, as my personality is neutral and I have the muscle mass of a ten-year old. True, hormones control the involuntary, but not the voluntary. If you try to claim people are forced to have sex by hormones, you are indeed the insane one. I mean what I say. I choose what I desire, I choose whether I gain or loss weight, I choose what I do. Continence is the greatest power one can have.

3. Sir, you left 3 blank.

4. Pardon.

 

1.

2. Then its probably because your hormones are balanced or low. If you had excessive hormones you would find it much harder to control your actions. The conscious portion of your brain does have some control over hormones. But the part that I disagree with is when you said "you can control your mind" as "you" and your "mind" are the same thing, creating a paradox.

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

1.

2. Then its probably because your hormones are balanced or low. If you had excessive hormones you would find it much harder to control your actions. The conscious portion of your brain does have some control over hormones. But the part that I disagree with is when you said "you can control your mind" as "you" and your "mind" are the same thing, creating a paradox.

 

No, there is significant evidence to prove they are not balanced or low, of that much I can completely assure you. I just don't see it as practical, healthy, or logical to make immense amounts of counter-intuitive and destructive actions solely based on a few chemicals with seemingly little potency.

[Smokin'HotRarity 182]

No, there is significant evidence to prove they are not balanced or low, of that much I can completely assure you. I just don't see it as practical, healthy, or logical to make immense amounts of counter-intuitive and destructive actions solely based on a few chemicals with seemingly little potency.

 

I think you are avoiding the entire point of my original argument, which was that tulpas take place in the subconscious and have a very real effect on hormonal levels, which can have a measurable effect on physical health. In his case it was probably beneficial for his health.

 

And if he wants to marry her, there's nothing that can be done to stop him. Although, I doubt he'll be able to get a real life priest to do it, how would he even place the ring on her, he'd have to defy gravity...

[Booksmith 87]

Well...this thread is making us mad to an extent.

 

I have a Tulpa too and she is indeed real. She has her own opinions, actions, feelings, thoughts...just like anyone else. Just like the OP's Tulpa.

 

Please read up on your stuff before you start saying things like that.

 

I realize that a Tulpa is not an ideal partner, like a real human being, but that doesn't mean that they do not exist as well.

 

 

 

I think we are having a communication issue in this thread because the words we are using are not properly defined. 

 

Real: Things which other people can see, have mass or energy, and can cause change in the universe on some measurable level. 

Precious: Things which do not meet the qualifications of real, but seem real to the individual experiencing them and provide a intangible effect on that person fulfilling some emotional need.

 

Precious things are of no less value to the process of life than real things but as precious things can only be experienced by one individual there will always be drama related to them. Precious things are individual and individuality is dangerous, unpredictable and destabilizing (No pony pun intended) to culture.  

 

Now, I would like to see what happens if you had two people who had Tulpa and they started picking a random night where they would send their creation over to the other person without telling them. Both people would have to keep journals as you never know when it would happen. But it would be an interesting experiment to see if you could project your imagination onto someone else with a receptive mind. 

 

I really would like to study this objectively. I wish there was more data on it. From what I have seen the people who do it well rarely post and the people who do post on threads about it are usually either new at it or in most cases trolling. I would like to see a study where they take a person and do regular studies their brain as the "Relationship" develops to see if they really can influence the development of new neural pathways over time. 

 

I think you are avoiding the entire point of my original argument, which was that tulpas take place in the subconscious and have a very real effect on hormonal levels, which can have a measurable effect on physical health. In his case it was probably beneficial for his health.

 

And if he wants to marry her, there's nothing that can be done to stop him. Although, I doubt he'll be able to get a real life priest to do it, how would he even place the ring on her, he'd have to defy gravity...

 

 

As a minister I can tell you, legally, it's not going to happen. You have to have the signature of the wife and two witnesses. We can't even marry gay couples there is no way in hell we are going to let imaginary couples get married legally as a nation. You could just imagine yourself as a pony then imagine yourself into Equestria and get married there. It's all the same in the end. 

Edited January 1, 2013 by Plowplot

[Gekoncze 327]

Are you some tulpa hater or what? or troll? Your posts are mostly in tulpa threads. Did you join our community only to annoy tulpae?

and just to note, this thread is old, not sure if there are going to be many answers...

Edited January 1, 2013 by Gekoncze