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I really want to get back into Christianity but... idk. My family and friends aren't Christians, so apparently they're going to hell and that just ticks me off and worries me. I also don't like all the rules, I feel guilty if I listen to secular music. I am also pro-choice and pro-LGBT so that's really controversial too. I also never attend church. I haven't found one that fits... maybe next year I will.

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I really want to get back into Christianity but... idk. My family and friends aren't Christians, so apparently they're going to hell and that just ticks me off and worries me. I also don't like all the rules, I feel guilty if I listen to secular music. I am also pro-choice and pro-LGBT so that's really controversial too. I also never attend church. I haven't found one that fits... maybe next year I will.

 

that makes me sad.

 

christianity should be about having a better relationship with god, and with each other.

the rhetoric about people going to hell misses that point.  

as does guilt, which isn't from god.  he doesn't want us to feel bad.  he wants us to be aware of our sin, so that we can understand both that we need jesus, and also fully understand how big a gift it is he died for us.

 

i don't really have a stance on pro-choice/pro-life, because it all revolves around when does the collection of cells become a life worth protecting, and and dogmatic answer to that question is based on conjecture.  but on LGBT stuff, jesus would have absolutely loved those he had come across and I do too.  hatred of LGBT peoples is pretty clearly unbiblical.  

 

I don't really feel that a church building is required either.  i do think it is very important to be in some sort of community of christians for encouragement, help, and a way to worship together, in whatever flavor of worship you like best.  

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that makes me sad.

 

christianity should be about having a better relationship with god, and with each other.

the rhetoric about people going to hell misses that point.

as does guilt, which isn't from god. he doesn't want us to feel bad. he wants us to be aware of our sin, so that we can understand both that we need jesus, and also fully understand how big a gift it is he died for us.

 

i don't really have a stance on pro-choice/pro-life, because it all revolves around when does the collection of cells become a life worth protecting, and and dogmatic answer to that question is based on conjecture. but on LGBT stuff, jesus would have absolutely loved those he had come across and I do too. hatred of LGBT peoples is pretty clearly unbiblical.

 

I don't really feel that a church building is required either. i do think it is very important to be in some sort of community of christians for encouragement, help, and a way to worship together, in whatever flavor of worship you like best.

Thank you so much <3 We need more people like you in the world. I just remember that there are some good Christians in the world. Like the Christians that let me and a few younger kids at the front of a concert and my mums cousin.

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I really want to get back into Christianity but... idk. My family and friends aren't Christians, so apparently they're going to hell and that just ticks me off and worries me.

 

First of all, why do they need to dictate whether you believe in and follow Jesus? Second of all, what makes you say they're going to Hell? I believe I'm safe in assuming they're not murderers.

 

 

 

I also don't like all the rules, I feel guilty if I listen to secular music.

 

Well that's just silly. God doesn't want you to listen to hymnals and nothing else. Not all music that isn't strictly about God doesn't have God in it. Songs about love, victory, triumph, happiness, they could be said to be filled with God. Even if they don't, there's nothing wrong with listening to strictly secular music. We're all living life after all and while God IS life, God isn't and really shouldn't be in every aspect of living.

 

As for the rules, well that is the burdens of faith, self-imposed rules and limitations because we believe our choices have consequences greater than we can imagine for ourselves and the world.

 

 

 

I am also pro-choice and pro-LGBT so that's really controversial too.
 

 

I am vehemently opposed to the former but I won't hold that against you but I'm also pro-LGBT. As @@weesh, said, Jesus would welcome people who were gay. He blessed prostitutes and lepers, Jesus was an example of His teaching of universal love.

 

 

 

I also never attend church. I haven't found one that fits... maybe next year I will.

 

Maybe you will, as long as you keep searching. 

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Do you people believe that deceased ones are still with you and watch over you?

I'm interested what you people think because a short time ago my father passed away.

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Do you people believe that deceased ones are still with you and watch over you?

I'm interested what you people think because a short time ago my father passed away.

 

First off, I am so, so, sorry for your loss. I can't imagine what you're going through but I will some day. First off let me say I'm probably not the one to take too seriously on this matter and it's @@Sunwalker, or @@ChB, who's word you should heed.

 

That being said I don't want to leave you hanging with something like this. It's hard to say. The old cliche of "they're in a better place" comes from the interpretation that those who pass away are with the Divine, that they are gone from this world but that we should be happy for them. The reassurance is that we also will be with the Divine one day and be reunited with those that have passed. Supported by this is the book of Job saying, "the dead do not know." (paraphrase) Hinting that the dead are not aware of our affairs as the living.

 

Then again, Job was kind of in a bad place, to put it lightly. Paul, on the other hand, says "we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us," ~Hebrews 12:1 he could be referring to those in life, but if he's referring to something more, it's likely not God because obviously "witnesses" is plural. So I'd say, yes, our loved ones are still watching over us from on high. My own cousin was murdered when I was very young and she's been practically made a saint by our family. I have prayed to her before as an inspiration of charity, love, faith, and compassion.

 

Again though, take what I have to say with a big grain of salt.

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I really want to get back into Christianity but... idk. My family and friends aren't Christians, so apparently they're going to hell and that just ticks me off and worries me.

 

I have answered to this on an earlier circumstance, and I really liked how my answer turned out. So, I am going to repost it here:

 

God does not want to send anyone to Hell. God does not send anyone to Hell, people send themselves there, by they own free will. When someone reject all goodness, he has no other option than running away to a place where no goodness at all exist. Hell is a radical possibility of free will, some people are really this stubborn. But God is merciful, and between Mercy and Justice, Mercy will always prevail. Someone must be really rotten and stubborn in order to end up in Hell.

 

God is more than just "good", God is the source of all goodness. "Love" is more than a concept, "love" is a person. People who live a good life are already glorifying God, even if they do not believe in Him or do not know that He exists. Being a good person already is following Jesus Christ, even if the individual is not Christian. Every person has imprinted in his heart the moral law, so everyone is capable to know what is right and wrong and to be good. Non-Christians, non-believers and people who never heard about Jesus can be saved if they live according to their conscience.

 

Just to clarify, I am Catholic and my explanation above leans towards Catholic theology, I am aware that some Protestant denominations might think differently, but to each one his own. The Catholic Church considers a heresy to claim that non-Christians are necessarily damned, and it also considers an heresy to claim that it does not matter which religion someone follows. Its theology about salvation lies somewhere between these two extremes.

 

Even when a non-Christian is saved, it still happened somehow through the Church (Church = body of Christ). Catholicism does claim that "there is no salvation outside Church", but the question here is where the limits of the Church lies. The institutional part of the Church is its visible limits, but there are also its invisible limits, which where they lie only God knows for certain. When someone follows his conscience, and strive to do good, he might already be inserting him within the invisible limits of the Church. This is what Catholic theology calls by "baptism of desire", or (using different terms) being part of the "spirit of the church" while being Christian is being part of the "body of the church".

 

But where these invisible limits lie is unknown, so that is one of the reason to evangelize people. Anyways, we should never despair about the salvation of someone, even if this person is not Christian. God always favors Mercy, nobody goes to Hell without having the chance of choosing otherwise.

 

 

I also don't like all the rules, I feel guilty if I listen to secular music.

 

Rules shouldn’t feel like an obligation, but they should rather be followed for the sake of the common good and not harming yourself. The rules that come from God are never arbitrary, and exist for a reason. God doesn’t make people to follow them by force, he respects our will. But there are still the natural consequences of your actions, that alone should be reason enough to stick to his commandments. On the top of that, God still expects you to make amends of your mistakes.

 

About secular music, it is not wrong per see. There is several good music there. The problem might be a matter of good taste. There are songs that are just of a very poor taste. Even then it isn’t necessarily a sin to listen to then, but you still would be wasting precious time that could have been used to something else.

 

The Christian have a fine blanket waiting for him at the table of the Lord, but listening to bad songs is like you going to eat from the garbage. Not wrong by itself, but still disgusting. That being considered, not all songs are bad. And one needs to use of personal judgment here.

 

 

I am also pro-choice and pro-LGBT so that's really controversial too. I also never attend church. I haven't found one that fits... maybe next year I will.

 

I am not going into the merit of those controversial topics here. What I can say, is that one way or another they don’t impact whether God exists or not, and neither the historicity of Jesus. In other words, regardless of what is right or wrong on these topics, it doesn’t undermine the core of Christianity. So regardless of one’s position on those matters, this isn’t a justification to not believing in God.

 

Charity requires me to say you one more thing, however. If you ever get into a crossroads in which you must choose between being loyal to God or loyal to this world, then you have to pick one of these two since one cannot follow two lords. There are more than just a few circumstances in which God’s will and this world’s will are mutually exclusive. But only one of these two loves you no matter what.

 

Jesus Christ, who is God made flesh, commuted with all sorts of people when he was here: the poor, the rich, the sinners, the saints, the healthy, the ill, etc. He received everyone with open arms. If he didn’t receive someone, it was because they have hardened their hearts to him and refused, not because Jesus didn’t want to receive them (it was what happened to the Pharisees).

 

The love from Jesus should not be mistaken as an approval of everything a person does. He said “I don’t condemn you” and “I am not here to judge”, but he also said “sin no more” and “love each other as I have loved you”.

 

 

I also never attend church. I haven't found one that fits... maybe next year I will.

 

Jesus said that where two or more are reunited in his name, he will be among them. That is by itself a reason to attend a church. One does need his personal moment with God, but we are also community, and we should participate of it and support each other.

 


 

Do you people believe that deceased ones are still with you and watch over you?

I'm interested what you people think because a short time ago my father passed away.

 

My condolences. I can only fathom what you should be going through, but I am sorry for your loss. God won’t let you down and support you where you need.

 

About your question, the short answer is yes. However, there are divergences on the details between different Christian denominations. Catholics and Orthodox believe on praying for the souls of the departed, as it can help them to purify them from the sins that they weren’t purified while on the Earth, so they can enter in the Heaven (this purification state is called “purgatory”, and it is temporary). Protestants don’t usually believe in praying for the departed, as they don’t usually believe in purgatory, one goes straight Heaven or just don’t go there at all (this isn’t what I think, but I am explaining it here for the sake of intellectual honesty); some protestants also believe that the departed might be sleeping while they wait for the Judgement Day, so they can get into the Heaven.

 

I am Catholic, and on the Catholic side of things it is believed that the departed can pray for us, whether they are on the purgatory or the heaven. Since they can pray for us, am implication from this is that they somehow know of our affairs on this world, otherwise they wouldn’t be able to pray for us. How they know, however, it is an open matter. They might know through God, especially when it comes to people who are related to them. On the top of that, the departed retain their identity, memories and feelings; so this doesn’t really change that they still love you.

 

One thing needs to be made clear here: they don’t answer prayers and neither perform miracles, those things are God’s doing. They pray to God, so he can do those. When someone is praying to a departed one, the former is asking to the later to pray to God. It might be preferable to pray to someone who is already on the other side, since he is closer to God than us. As an analogy, I can compare it to getting closer to an important person through a mutual contact who is closer to him than you, it will be easier than if you try to go directly.

 

One more thing. The departed are not “here” in the sense that they are in the same world and physical space as us (like one would imagine “ghosts” to be, even though this word doesn’t really apply here – they are still people, not lost souls). They are closer to God praying for us. The departed don’t visit this world, except under extremely rare circumstances, through an action of God (apparitions and such). But in the general sense, they are no longer on this world.

 

Personally, I don’t believe in summoning spirits, and trying to do this not only will not work but also might have negative consequences for you. I think that those rituals summon demons pretending to be other people, and they are always up to no good. I usually avoid to comment on other beliefs, but here I opened an exception because charity requires me to warn you to not fall on the temptation of invoking the dead, and I imagine that you could be subject to the temptation of doing that in your current state.

 

Just stick to the proper things to do: I recommend you to pray for your father, and to honor his memory.

 

Take care, and God bless you!

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Im baptist i go to church every sunday,sunday night,and wednesday on all other days i read the bible or listen to online sermons i find it actually pretty funny how many baptists are on here as I've heard many frown apron it


Welcome, Lillim! I hope you have a great time, here and in this forum.

 

Thanks I'm actually kinda hyped on the fact this is here

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Verse of the week: Galatians 5:13-14 (ESV)

13 For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

 

 

Thanks I'm actually kinda hyped on the fact this is here

 

I know, right? I've been really excited too, since I joined this forum last year.

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I am a believer in Cobainism, believing that Kurt Cobain is the 2nd coming of Jesus and have established it and done it. I could expain it. Or well i made a thread about it but not certain where it did go. Either way its open for atheists, muslims, christians or anyone in general since both muslims and christians agree on 2nd coming of Jesus. Muhammad afterall doesnt have anyrole in the judgement day from what i know of islamic scriptures

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I saw Doctor Strange guys and not only is it a great superhero movie it also has some themes of faith in there. I fully admit maybe it was just my interpretation but with fully acknowledging it's an interpretation, I do think it is a valid one and that I'm not projecting something that isn't there. I won't give away plot details or spoilers but I will reference some scenes that are not meant to be surprises or twists.

 

You see, when our dear doctor comes to his mentor figure for healing after a debilitating accident, she explains that the method isn't strictly medical but internal. (Although, in a clearly well researched and considerate fashion, she describes the mending itself in scientific and medical terms.) Strange accuses her, essentially, of being a "faith healer" though not in as many words. That her method of healing the body through the soul is bunk. Strange dismisses the idea of a spirit at all, saying we are nothing but matter in an uncaring universe. While the film doesn't outright call him an atheist and I'm not sure if he was one, by this point he's clearly very disillusioned and not without reason as the first act painfully establishes.

 

With a display of magic, specifically the Ancient One pushes his soul out of his body for a moment and then proceeds to throw him through a number of non-physical realms, Strange is basically made a convert on the spot. What further reminded me of this theme was that Strange's character flaw that he overcomes over the course of the film is his ego and his arrogance. Even after he starts learning magic he still puts himself before anyone, including his teachers. Strange's biggest moment of character growth is when he realizes the universe does not revolve around him, that there's more important things than putting himself on a pedestal. Such is not a uniquely Christian sentiment no, but submission of selfish desire over duty to others and to God nevertheless is.

 

The film also kind of touches on the Tower of Babel question we talked about in this very thread. One of the reoccuring themes is the proper use of magic to affect the world. One school of thought that Strange's instructors try to instill is that they don't break the natural laws of the universe to benefit themeselves, they're job is to keep others from doing exactly that. The other is that using magic to break natural laws like time, space, etc. can be good if done for the right reasons. Such can be seen as a kind of metaphor for anything humans do. Exactly how much can we get away with, with our God given reign over the Earth (and by proxy the whole universe?) How much do we push for making people's lives better, safer, and longer, and when do we decide there's just some things we can't change or can't without severe consequence?

 

Then there's the ending which again I won't spoil but that's where the Christ-like element becomes blatant if inventively (and somewhat darkly) so.

 

I'm not saying Doctor Strange is a veiled pro-Christian/pro-Religion movie but just as a viewer who IS of faith, the movie spoke to me on that level. I highly recommend it for anyone here.

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Hey, I don't know if you've heard this, but the daughter of one of my favorite artist, The Piano Guys, has gone missing. Their family is really worried, and c could use the support and prayers.

 

https://www.ilovethebookofmormon.org/2016/11/04/annie/

 

https://m.facebook.com/groups/204537506647502?view=info&refid=18

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hVayM7IbOLc

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"The loneliest people are the kindest. The saddest people smile the brightest. The most damaged people are the wisest. All because they do not wish to see anyone else suffer the way they do.''-Anonymous

 

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Hey, I don't know if you've heard this, but the daughter of one of my favorite artist, The Piano Guys, has gone missing. Their family is really worried, and c could use the support and prayers.

 

https://www.ilovethebookofmormon.org/2016/11/04/annie/

 

https://m.facebook.com/groups/204537506647502?view=info&refid=18

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hVayM7IbOLc

May God protect her, and bring her home and safe.
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Verse of the week: Philippians 1:3-5

I thank my God in all my remembrance of you, always in every prayer of mine for you all making my prayer with joy, because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now.

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I had a really sad conversation with a a friend of mine yesterday.  I was talking to him about his worldview, and it basically the thrust of his life came down to:
make a ton of money

buy all the toys I want (helicopter, yacht, etc)
have a bunch of parties

 

he thought the purpose of life is basically have fun, and then one day do something huge that benefits humanity.

I asked him why he couldn't have fun and help humanity NOW, rather than waiting until he's old, and the answer was "if it costs less than a million dollars to pull off, its probably not worth it"

The idea that people in the world can't have a purpose or do anything meaningful unless they have at least a million dollars is a bit horrifying.  

 

It's kinda hard to know how to talk to such a person about god when their worldview is so radically different than mine.  

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On the one level I can kind of get what he's saying. I mean God does want us to be happy but that's almost indulgence thinking. "I'll do one good thing to help people and that excuses me otherwise not giving a shit." It doesn't work that way. You render aid to people because you're supposed to WANT to help that not because it's a kind of tax you otherwise would not pay if you didn't feel you had to. That person also doesn't seem to think that helping just one person is worth it. Which is of course total nonsense. If I give a homeless person some food, sure I'm not ending poverty but that one person has a meal. That one person doesn't have to worry about going hungry for a few hours. Small steps. We've all heard "ask not for whom the bell tolls" but the whole thing seems to apply here.

 

"No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee."

 

~John Donne

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Hey guys me again. You ever read or see something that disturbed you? Not frightened, not depressed, but made you feel deeply and insidiously uncomfortable in the very depths of your heart? It's funny because most things that merely scare or even anger me are things that violate my sense of right and wrong but oftentimes that's not the intention. The mere depiction of racism or child abuse is enough to get my blood boiling but I don't feel like it's a personal attack or that it truly hurts me, just my principals which granted are a big deal.

 

No though, the things that end up disturbing me the most are the things that actually get me, that get what I believe in. I won't say what this thing is but I will give the premise. Basically it follows the Grim Reaper as he ferries souls of various characters to the Afterlife, often accompanied by a vignette of the person before they die. Naturally the most fleshed out aspect is Hell.

 

Side note: can anypony explain to me why Hell is always so focused on and explored even in nominally non-religious works of fiction? I mean I feel like most people would be able to tell who the Devil is more than they would a picture of Jesus depending on how both were drawn and framed. Yet even then, they could point a finger and say "that's the Devil" but they don't truly know him.

 

Which nicely segues back to my point. I've been reading this story and it's abundantly clear that the author understands the nature of sin and damnation. (As well as salvation but as said before, less Heaven than Hell segments.) This has left me feeling very unsettled as I'm reminded of the true nature of what it means to be damned. I'll pray for certain once I'm done typing but I also would like to call upon you my friends for some reassurance of God's mercy and His true justice.

 

Basically . . . I need a hug right now.  :unsure:  

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Basically . . . I need a hug right now.  :unsure:  

 

 

"There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe, and to feel an excessive and unhealthy interest in them. They themselves are equally pleased by both errors and hail a materialist or a magician with the same delight."

 

Prologue to The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis (1942).

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can anypony explain to me why Hell is always so focused on and explored even in nominally non-religious works of fiction?

For the non-religious, it's probably because many readers like horror, or otherwise dark and dramatic works of fiction. Authorial intent might be a different story, though. I'm no expert on literature, so I won't go too deep into this, but perhaps it can be used as a symbol to express man's fears, and possibly their desire for justice, retribution, and/or redemption in times of crisis, regardless of whether they believe in hell or not.  

 

Which nicely segues back to my point. I've been reading this story and it's abundantly clear that the author understands the nature of sin and damnation. (As well as salvation but as said before, less Heaven than Hell segments.) This has left me feeling very unsettled as I'm reminded of the true nature of what it means to be damned. I'll pray for certain once I'm done typing but I also would like to call upon you my friends for some reassurance of God's mercy and His true justice.

 

Basically . . . I need a hug right now.  :unsure:

Stay strong in the faith, brother. God loves you, and will always be there to strengthen you. I hope these verses will help:

 

Romans 8:15-16 (ESV):

15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God

 

Ephesians 2:1-7:

And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

"4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christby grace you have been saved and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

 

Ephesians 6:10-18

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. 14 Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace. 16 In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one; 17 and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, 18 praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end, keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints,

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Hey guys me again. You ever read or see something that disturbed you? Not frightened, not depressed, but made you feel deeply and insidiously uncomfortable in the very depths of your heart? It's funny because most things that merely scare or even anger me are things that violate my sense of right and wrong but oftentimes that's not the intention. The mere depiction of racism or child abuse is enough to get my blood boiling but I don't feel like it's a personal attack or that it truly hurts me, just my principals which granted are a big deal.

 

No though, the things that end up disturbing me the most are the things that actually get me, that get what I believe in. I won't say what this thing is but I will give the premise. Basically it follows the Grim Reaper as he ferries souls of various characters to the Afterlife, often accompanied by a vignette of the person before they die. Naturally the most fleshed out aspect is Hell.

 

Side note: can anypony explain to me why Hell is always so focused on and explored even in nominally non-religious works of fiction? I mean I feel like most people would be able to tell who the Devil is more than they would a picture of Jesus depending on how both were drawn and framed. Yet even then, they could point a finger and say "that's the Devil" but they don't truly know him.

 

Which nicely segues back to my point. I've been reading this story and it's abundantly clear that the author understands the nature of sin and damnation. (As well as salvation but as said before, less Heaven than Hell segments.) This has left me feeling very unsettled as I'm reminded of the true nature of what it means to be damned. I'll pray for certain once I'm done typing but I also would like to call upon you my friends for some reassurance of God's mercy and His true justice.

 

Basically . . . I need a hug right now.  :unsure:  

*hugs*

Also, I'm glad you don't know my dad. He enjoys talking about sinners being damned. >_>

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*hugs*

Also, I'm glad you don't know my dad. He enjoys talking about sinners being damned. >_>

 

Thanks. I'm actually feeling much better now. Just one of those things that I needed to sleep off. Also sorry to hear that about your Dad.

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