Why Twilicorn Works: Insight on the Supporting Side

[Silverwisp the Bard 2,353]

The common complaint I here is: "But the entire show would change!! It used to just be a sort of animated sitcom about friends, now it will have a political aspect!"

 

Are we watching the same show? MLP may be the most political children's show I've ever seen. The main character is the protegé of thr monarch; the Mane 6 routinely help Celestia defeat her political opponents, and many episodes include other statecraft related things (ex. Arabian ambassadors).

 

So no, the show won't fundamentally change. The politics will just be a bit more pronounced.

Including aspects of politics is not the same as being political.

If there was an episode that taught the moral that all resources should be pooled and distributed by the government, that would be political.

Acknowledging that ambassadors exist is not.

 

 

Also, I agree with BassCannon: A permanent alicorn Twilight would wreck the current setting. Keep in mind that even the weakest alicorn on the show (Cadence) has been able to successfully hold of the mlp version of Voldemort  for several days.

[crazitaco 596]

if they make twilight an alicorn, i want ALL the mane six to be alicorns with her >:/

the entire show is about how the mane six are united, and making one character OP throws off that balance.

i honestly never had a problem with twi having a brother, or even with cadence as a new alicorn character. the only change is two new characters, and we don't see them too often anyway.  but changing twi into an alicorn is completely different. it will always be there whether we like it or not, because you can't have the show without twilight. also, i want to point out that we don't even know for a fact that twilight will become an alicorn. as fans, we like to make alot of predictions, some of which can be way off. they have been known to suprise us on occasion.

Edited January 18, 2013 by crazitaco

[Starswirl the Trixie 975]

Including aspects of politics is not the same as being political.

If there was an episode that taught the moral that all resources should be pooled and distributed by the government, that would be political.

Acknowledging that ambassadors exist is not.

 

 

Also, I agree with BassCannon: A permanent alicorn Twilight would wreck the current setting. Keep in mind that even the weakest alicorn on the show (Cadence) has been able to successfully hold of the mlp version of Voldemort  for several days.

 

Meh, matter of definition.  In my mind "political" means "of or relating to politics", you think it means "promoting a political ideology".  Oh well.

 

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Two other random notes.  First, it's not like Twilight was weak before but shall suddenly become strong.  She was already so much more powerful than the rest of the Mane 6 and on a social tier above them.  Twilicorn will just increase these differences.  Second, I think that the fandom's reactions to Twilicorn is wonderfully represented by the top 3 comments on EqD.

Edited January 18, 2013 by Starswirl the Goateed

[Discovery Dream 592]

It's a bad idea because what makes Twilight Sparkle such a great character is her utter imperfection. She is smart and a great problem-solver, but is also over obsessed and paranoid. These traits make her a real character, a someone, not a something. To have her become a Princess would erase these traits entirely. No more painfully relate-able paranoia spells. No more OCD-ridden libraries. Just a purple unicorn with wings and magic created to sell toys to children. What MLP was. What MLP always was. And now I suppose what MLP will be destined to be.

 

Not to mention the utter disregard to the other characters. What will become of the six friends, the ponies (and dragon) who helped Twilight become who she is? Spike, plus Pinkie Pie, Rarity, AJ, RD, and Fluttershy are the most important things in Twilight Sparkle's life. If she becomes a Princess, she'll just be an icon. She won't be a delightfully flawed hero. She'll be...plastic. And the friends will be thrown completely out the window in favor of toys and money.

Edited January 18, 2013 by Bluebell

[Scootalove 10,689]

I really see no problem with Twilight as an alicorn, as long as the writers know what they are doing. Plus, when she does become alicorn and, becomes so powerful that each villain that goes against the Mane 6, only Twilight can defeat them. Then, that's when it would be pointless, why have villains when only 1 pony can defeat them.

[himanuts 165]

Alicorns are far from omnipotent. Twilight won't become an Abrahimic type God, she'll just be able to fly and have increased magical capacity.

Which is rather pointless, atleast the way I see it. 

 

One thing I'm almost certain is at the least Twilight will probly be really humble about the new powers or decline them on the spot/after some experience.

 

But other than that, I still see it as pointless to have this happen.

[kirbyboi 588]

Well, the reason people disagree with it is because it's not Twilight. It would be like making Rainbow Dash a unicorn instead of a Pegasus. It just wouldn't be right.

 

Plus, it would be pretty pointless to include it, and how is Twilight going to randomly get wings? Can't she just rule as a plain unicorn? Shining Armor is just a unicorn, and can still rule over the Crystal Empire. 

 

I don't really want Twilight to be an alicorn, and I know what your saying. I mean, I don't mind Princess Cadance, Luna, or Celestia...but transforming a mane six into something totally random? Nah. Just keep Twilight the same. I love her regular unicorn, book-loving self.

 

However, I hope one day Twilight will rule Equestria. That would be cool to see!

[Ice Storm 1,020]

i can name four reasons

1. if shes alicorn then shed be a princess if shes a princess she wouldnt be with her freinds in ponyville

2.shes ready magically but not mentally ready to be a princess

3. having twilight be a princess might make her look older which isnt very cool...

4. how would she get turned into a alicorn in the first place.....

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not to mention it could be that there forshadowing somthing else.... and theres no reason for her to be one

 

News Flash: Twilight Sparkle is already a princess by the very nature of her brother marrying cadence. That makes Twilight, by relation, a Princess already.

 

Including aspects of politics is not the same as being political.

If there was an episode that taught the moral that all resources should be pooled and distributed by the government, that would be political.

Acknowledging that ambassadors exist is not.

 

 

Also, I agree with BassCannon: A permanent alicorn Twilight would wreck the current setting. Keep in mind that even the weakest alicorn on the show (Cadence) has been able to successfully hold of the mlp version of Voldemort  for several days.

 

 

if they make twilight an alicorn, i want ALL the mane six to be alicorns with her >:/

the entire show is about how the mane six are united, and making one character OP throws off that balance.

i honestly never had a problem with twi having a brother, or even with cadence as a new alicorn character. the only change is two new characters, and we don't see them too often anyway.  but changing twi into an alicorn is completely different. it will always be there whether we like it or not, because you can't have the show without twilight. also, i want to point out that we don't even know for a fact that twilight will become an alicorn. as fans, we like to make alot of predictions, some of which can be way off. they have been known to suprise us on occasion.

 

 

It's a bad idea because what makes Twilight Sparkle such a great character is her utter imperfection. She is smart and a great problem-solver, but is also over obsessed and paranoid. These traits make her a real character, a someone, not a something. To have her become a Princess would erase these traits entirely. No more painfully relate-able paranoia spells. No more OCD-ridden libraries. Just a purple unicorn with wings and magic created to sell toys to children. What MLP was. What MLP always was. And now I suppose what MLP will be destined to be.

 

Not to mention the utter disregard to the other characters. What will become of the six friends, the ponies (and dragon) who helped Twilight become who she is? Spike, plus Pinkie Pie, Rarity, AJ, RD, and Fluttershy are the most important things in Twilight Sparkle's life. If she becomes a Princess, she'll just be an icon. She won't be a delightfully flawed hero. She'll be...plastic. And the friends will be thrown completely out the window in favor of toys and money.

 

@Everyone quoted. Can you please provide evidence from the show, or otherwise official cannon material that you are basing your information off of? Because it's honestly getting quite annoying seeing all of these negative accusations about all the changes that are going to happen with no evidence backing it up. I have provided substantial evidence supported that the opposite of every claim is true.

 

@@AtomicBassCannon,

 

Again, what evidence do you have to support this? different people react differently to change, and we've already seen Twilight sacrifice everything for her friends on multiple occasions. Not to mention, we have no idea what the royal duties that the princesses of Equestria actually have. The only main one that we know of, Celestia controls the sun and Luna controls the moon. that's it.

 

Yes, the changes could change twilight's personality if the writers completely forsake everything they've already done with here character wise. but forsaking something because something could change is rather silly. By that argument we shouldn't like anything at all, because the only constant in the universe is change. Everything that exists as we know it today can change. So I really don't see how the argument "Twilight could change" holds any merit without substantial evidence from the show to back it up. Something that I've never seen from anyone that has been saying that the show would lose it's merit, meaning, or would completely change focus.

 

If you can find any evidence that supports why twilight becoming an Alicorn would break up the group, and destroy the show, then I would very much love to see it.

[Sunny Fox 5,950]

It would create a plot hole about Alicorn creation if they did it that way. And generally not make sense, at all. That's the biggest reason I oppose it.

We don't have any information about what creates an Alicorn, anyway, so it can't create a plot hole. Maybe Celestia and Luna went through a similar process once themselves. I'd like to see it, if for no other reason than it would give us more information about what does happen to create Alicorns.

 

What annoys me is that there is no reason to turn her into an alicorn. She is fine the way she is, relying on her natural born abilities. Overcoming her limits and becoming better with her own resources. All as just a really magically talented unicorn. All that is why I find her such a great protagonist. Yes, super talented. But she works with what she's got, even if it sometimes fails her. No need to turn her into a form that's almost regarded as a deity. 

Well, I would argue that it's possible that every unicorn with strong enough magic has the ability to transform into an Alicorn. (supported by the episode "Baby Cakes" - the Cakes had the potential for horns and wings, otherwise their children couldn't have gotten them. It's not too far a stretch that some ponies have both genes together. It might even be why Twilight has so much potential in the first place. Although that's a great deal of speculation on my part.)

 

I think of it in terms of the Saiyans from DBZ. Goku, Vegeta and their children always had the potential to become Supersaiyans, which was pretty much regarded as a god-level power. It was a natural born ability that they unlocked after enough training. The same might be true for Twilight

[~Asuka <3~ 867]

I dislike change.   No matter what it is, I'm not going to like it from the get-go.  This Alicorn Twilight business is no different.   I'm afraid for what will happen to the show, because I'd assume that it would lead to some major changes.  I wouldn't be totally against it in the long run I'd reckon, but I'd of course prefer it not to happen.   

 

I'm not a flexible person, and this is really stretching things for me.  

[FruitRiver 355]

That's not nearly evidence enough. You say it like it'll happen no doubt when nobody's sure about anything (though I really don't think it'll happen)

I'm personally against the idea though, it'd be just weird IMO

 

I DONT agree, though, that it'll 'ruin everything.' As long as her character is the same she's still a great character. Being an alicorn wouldn't ruin her, what would ruin her is if that was the start of Hasbro changing everything to make money (which I also doubt, they KNOW the bronies get them money. Making it just to where just little girls would like it would lose them money)

Edited January 19, 2013 by Pinkie

[Zygen 6,066]

I totally will say that I am not really good with change, I'm the type of person who can notice the smallest little changes and they'll bug me sometimes.

 

Still I won't inherietly hate on Alicorn Twilight. I'm sure after some getting use to and trusting the writers it'll turn out fine regardless of what happens.

 

As long as we still get a S4... And maybe S5... And maybe S6..

 

I really like MLP, so its going to take something quiet drastic for me to just dislike it randomly. Even if Twilight becomes an Alicorn(Which I'm not certain on yet.) I still will try and have faith that it doesn't do anything drastic to the show.

 

It may change my opinions on Twilight, but I guess theres only one way to truly find out, and thats to wait.

 

Hopefully the writers don't have plans to let us down yet. I'm putting some faith in them for now.

 

Also I agree that alot of people are jumping to the conclusion that this is going to be bad true, and I'll admit that I jumped on the banwagon a bit at the prospect, but I think like I said I'm just going to stop worrying and try and trust the writers and see how it goes.

 

Right now my brain is on tommorows episode . Anyways, season 3 has been awesome, I hope that it ends on a good note, and I hope that the show will continue on until it is milked of everything it is worth.(Hopefully thats a long time.)

[Phoenix237 353]

I for one don't care if she transforms into an Alicorn.

In fact the idea never came to me until someone mentioned it. I always thought she would eventually become a powerful Mage, maybe become the next ruler, BUT I always believed she would do this as a unicorn. Is there a law saying you must be an Alicorn to rule.

Even so, if the writers do make her an Alicorn then fine.

I'm good.

Something like this won't stop me from watching the show.

[SongBrony 419]

I believe I explained my thoughts on this on a similar thread, but I'm too lazy to search for it. Here's the short version. Twi becomes Alicorn. I don't see a problem with it, but I think she will ask to be changed back or refuse the offer. 1) Too nervous and worried about failure as a princess. 2) She won't get to see her friends that often. Just look at Celestia, she barely gets anytime with her friends. 3) If she does become an Alicorn, she'll be stronger than the others in the mane 6 and I don't think she wants to be a show off or a higher figure than her friends. Remember how she reacted when Trixie first came to Ponyville? 

 

These are just a few small reasons as to why Twilight would choose to stay as a regular ol' Unicorn. 

[Doctor-Whooves 288]

While it would excellently add more exciting aspects to the show, I highly doubt that this will actually happen.

 

1. It would upset the balance of the Mane 6. Two pegasi, two unicorns, and two earth ponies.

2. It would make the story turn in such a way that the slice-of-life style that MLP has now would not work nearly as well.

[Silverwisp the Bard 2,353]

News Flash: Twilight Sparkle is already a princess by the very nature of her brother marrying cadence. That makes Twilight, by relation, a Princess already....

 

 Can you please provide evidence from the show, or otherwise official cannon material that you are basing your information off of? Because it's honestly getting quite annoying seeing all of these negative accusations about all the changes that are going to happen with no evidence backing it up. I have provided substantial evidence supported that the opposite of every claim is true.

You don't be become a Princess, just because your sibling marries into royalty. Depending on what system they're basing the show on, Shining Armor might not even count as a prince.

 

Also, these aren't accusations: we're voicing our concern, because the show is dear to us.

The only intended alicorns on the show are:

-ageless, if not immortal

-posses immense power rivaled only by a powered up Chrysalis and Discord (Sombra was presumably about as strong as a mortal can get and he got curve-stomped in 2 seconds)

-are treated as somewhere between monarchs and gods

 

If Twilight was to become that, it would set her apart from her friends and most other ponies: It is one thing to live around a talented mage (what we've heard about Starswirl suggests that there were other unicorns of comparable power throughout history), but having demigod living next door is unnerving to say the least. The other Mane Six might not care, but most of the citizens of Ponyville would probably be scared stiff (like with Zecora or Luna).

The current show is mostly slice of life (which is very difficult to pull of when you include a character vastly more powerful than the rest), or the Mane Six overcoming great odds by teamwork and using their individual talents.

With Twilight being an alicorn, "Magic Duel" would have been over in two minutes.

 

And if they made her a "Cadence level" alicorn to prevent it, the change would be really unnecessary: Twilight can already conjure up wings, so what would be gained? Change for change's sake is not a good idea in any story.

[Wubsie 1,123]

Shining Armor is a different situation. That was more of just a way to enrich Twi's background and give a richer story about her life in Canterlot.

 

Making Twilight an Alicorn would be a FUNDAMENTAL change to her as she is now. It would completely change her relationship to the rest of the Mane 6. Alicorns have massive levels of power (both magic and royally). It would elevate Twi above the rest of the Mane 6 and destroy the "band of equals" relationship they've had that we've all come to know and love. The Mane 6 being equals is an important part of the show's dynamic.

 

Unless this whole time I've been viewing the show from the wrong perspective. I thought the show was Mane 6-centric, not Twi-centric. Because if it wasn't meant to be already, Twi becoming an Alicorn would unavoidable make the show totally Twi-centric.

Boom. Took the words right out of my mouth.

I agree with this since it was basically what I was going to post. 

Although being a princess would give her less screen time since she'll be busy doing royal things IMO.

AND WHAT ABOUT THE FRIENDSHIP LETTERS!?!?!?11?!

[GauntletsofRai 5]

I think this could go two ways. 

 

1. Twilight becomes ultimate alicorn princess, only to realize that it's tearing her apart from her friends and she rejects the title to be with them.  

 

2. She learns to use her new alicorn powers through her friends, including an episode where Rainbow teaches her to fly, or something like that. 

[100 beasts kaidou 321]

Boom. Took the words right out of my mouth.

I agree with this since it was basically what I was going to post. 

Although being a princess would give her less screen time since she'll be busy doing royal things IMO.

AND WHAT ABOUT THE FRIENDSHIP LETTERS!?!?!?11?!

If she turns into a alicorn she wont be a Royal unless she marrys BlueBlood. You dont have to be a Alicorn to be royal and you dont have to be royal to be alicorn

[Guest]

it's the fear that they could screw up like if twilight became more than she should be, a princess, and it could possibly ruin the bond between the ponies and what about the future of the show? what about friendship? 

[Batbrony 16,055]

Oh I've never thought that Twilight becoming an alicorn would ruin the series.  However, I do not agree that it is inevitable based on what the show has given us; I do agree that Twilight is bound, probably by the end of this season, to come to a head in her magical studies somehow and advance to the next stage, and also that this certainly could entail becoming an alicorn.  However, I do not, as I said before, think that this means she is GUARANTEED to become an alicorn in the future.  I just think that it's one of a number of possibilities at this point.  We'll just have to wait and see what happens, but whatever it is, I'm sure it'll be good.

[pinkieshyrose 58]

News Flash: Twilight Sparkle is already a princess by the very nature of her brother marrying cadence. That makes Twilight, by relation, a Princess already.

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Everyone quoted. Can you please provide evidence from the show, or otherwise official cannon material that you are basing your information off of? Because it's honestly getting quite annoying seeing all of these negative accusations about all the changes that are going to happen with no evidence backing it up. I have provided substantial evidence supported that the opposite of every claim is true.

 

@@AtomicBassCannon,

 

Again, what evidence do you have to support this? different people react differently to change, and we've already seen Twilight sacrifice everything for her friends on multiple occasions. Not to mention, we have no idea what the royal duties that the princesses of Equestria actually have. The only main one that we know of, Celestia controls the sun and Luna controls the moon. that's it.

 

Yes, the changes could change twilight's personality if the writers completely forsake everything they've already done with here character wise. but forsaking something because something could change is rather silly. By that argument we shouldn't like anything at all, because the only constant in the universe is change. Everything that exists as we know it today can change. So I really don't see how the argument "Twilight could change" holds any merit without substantial evidence from the show to back it up. Something that I've never seen from anyone that has been saying that the show would lose it's merit, meaning, or would completely change focus.

 

If you can find any evidence that supports why twilight becoming an Alicorn would break up the group, and destroy the show, then I would very much love to see it.

how does that make her a princess? that would make everpony realted to the guy a princess marrys a princess.....it cuts off somewhere lets not forget that celestia and luna should actually be queens so it seems her title is defintaly not being a princess

[Ice Storm 1,020]

You don't be become a Princess, just because your sibling marries into royalty. Depending on what system they're basing the show on, Shining Armor might not even count as a prince.

 

Also, these aren't accusations: we're voicing our concern, because the show is dear to us.

The only intended alicorns on the show are:

-ageless, if not immortal

-posses immense power rivaled only by a powered up Chrysalis and Discord (Sombra was presumably about as strong as a mortal can get and he got curve-stomped in 2 seconds)

-are treated as somewhere between monarchs and gods

 

If Twilight was to become that, it would set her apart from her friends and most other ponies: It is one thing to live around a talented mage (what we've heard about Starswirl suggests that there were other unicorns of comparable power throughout history), but having demigod living next door is unnerving to say the least. The other Mane Six might not care, but most of the citizens of Ponyville would probably be scared stiff (like with Zecora or Luna).

The current show is mostly slice of life (which is very difficult to pull of when you include a character vastly more powerful than the rest), or the Mane Six overcoming great odds by teamwork and using their individual talents.

With Twilight being an alicorn, "Magic Duel" would have been over in two minutes.

 

And if they made her a "Cadence level" alicorn to prevent it, the change would be really unnecessary: Twilight can already conjure up wings, so what would be gained? Change for change's sake is not a good idea in any story.

 

 

Need I remind you that Princess Cadence did not defeat Sombra. It was the Entire Crystal Empire comprised of hundreds of ponies. so yes, the power of that many ponies put together like that can curb-stomp anything. The only reason that King Sombra wasn't defeated before, we can presume, was because he stole the crystal heart. Once the empire had that, they beat Sombra, not Cadence.

 

I can understand the Monarchy part because well, it's a Monarchy Government.

 

And as far as living around a princess, need I remind you that the entire city of Canterlot already does. That being said if it would change anything, it would change Ponyville into more of a snippity city than it would the opposite. "Oh look at us we have a princess in our city," similar to how we saw the nobles in the episode where Rarity went to Canterlot for that party with Hoity Toity.

 

And I understand that these are concerns of everyone else. What bothers me is that everypony has been stating their concerns as facts rather than opinions by say "this will happen" or "That will happen because of this," without providing any evidence to make it fact. I wouldn't be anywhere near as peeved if people would stop trying to point out their "concerns" as facts without supporting evidence. After all, I've provided evidence to my statements. It wouldn't be hard for everypony else to do the same.

[RWB 229]

News Flash: Twilight Sparkle is already a princess by the very nature of her brother marrying cadence. That makes Twilight, by relation, a Princess already.

 

I agree with the rest, but this is just a faulty claim.

 

 

I direct you to Prince Daniel Westling.

 

A commoner married to a crown princess, the king was apprehensive about even allowing him a prince title- he could've ended up as just a Duke.

 

Even so, none of his family members are even considered nobility. Not even his sister. The only relative he has who is nobility is his daughter... the daughter of the crown princess, so that has jack to do with his relation.  

 

Going by this Twilight is not even nobility, despite her brother marrying royalty.

[Silverwisp the Bard 2,353]

Need I remind you that Princess Cadence did not defeat Sombra. It was the Entire Crystal Empire comprised of hundreds of ponies. so yes, the power of that many ponies put together like that can curb-stomp anything. The only reason that King Sombra wasn't defeated before, we can presume, was because he stole the crystal heart. Once the empire had that, they beat Sombra, not Cadence.

 

 

And I understand that these are concerns of everyone else. What bothers me is that everypony has been stating their concerns as facts rather than opinions by say "this will happen" or "That will happen because of this," without providing any evidence to make it fact. I wouldn't be anywhere near as peeved if people would stop trying to point out their "concerns" as facts without supporting evidence. After all, I've provided evidence to my statements. It wouldn't be hard for everypony else to do the same.

I meant Sombra's defeat through the royal sisters, not Cadence.

 

And concerning your evidence: While some of it is incorrect (she didn't refuse to return to Canterlot, she was allowed to stay in Ponyville/ S2 Cadence is not a good mean of measurement, since she was written as  a unicorn and changed to alicorn last minute) you make the case that A: Twilight is loyal to her friends and B:Alicorns are limited in their power .

How does that invalidate the claim that Twilight turning into one would change things?

I doubt anyone here claims that the Mane Six would turn their back on her, but they would no longer be a group of equals and we do know for a fact that alicorns are somewhat aloof (most appearances of the Sisters ternd to be accompanied by all those present falling to their knees)