Going Vegetarian

[Modphase 1,271]

Good thing I'm not a vegan, nor a moron who would do something that idiotic. It's pretty easy to eat properly.

 

Did you know Heart Disease is the leading cause of death in the US, and that eating too much red meat is the primary culprit?

 

*Too much.

 

Anything can kill you if you have too much of it. And all of the foods (every food in existence) that can kill you by having to much of it, if consumed in moderation, can help you.

[Harmonic Revelations 8,835]

Neither of us is wishing death on the other person, we're just having a friendly debate! Besides, me wishing death on somebody while preaching vegetarianism would be pretty counterproductive.

Indeed.

 

Also while it doesn't help my argument it would be beneficial to you to know that even if it was horribly selfish and cruel to eat meat, I'd still do it.

[Circadian 1,273]

Did you notice that the key words there is that heart disease is caused by eating TOO MUCH red meat and not just by eating red meat?

 

If anyone eats too many vegetables they'll die just as horribly.

 

 

It takes a LOT more veggies than it would meat! I think what you're trying to say is that moderation is the key. Otherwise that argument sounds pretty ridiculous.

 

I totally get that eating too much of anything is bad for you.

Edited April 18, 2013 by Circadian

[Harmonic Revelations 8,835]

 

It takes a LOT more veggies than it would meat! I think what you're trying to say is that moderation is the key.

 

I totally get that eating too much of anything is bad for you.

Dear God, did you see how little oil it takes to get 400 calories?

 

Forget meat, maybe we should be fighting the demographic that drinks oil.

[Champion RD92 8,658]

You're kidding, right? I could never live without meat, I love it so much ;_;

 

Beef, ham, pork, chicken...It's all so good and yummy!!!

 

I think it's only cruel to animals if the animals are mistreated on the farms or wherever they are. Trust me, I love animals, I'm a big animal lover lol, I just don't think it's necessary to stop eating meat.

[Descant 1,898]

*Too much.

 

Anything can kill you if you have too much of it. And all of the foods (every food in existence) that can kill you by having to much of it, if consumed in moderation, can help you.

I feel like no one's paying attention to us, Angus. @@Harmonic Revelations and @@Circadian are too busy screaming at each other to hear anything we have to say. Did you see my EnvSci notes? Genisten is much more of a threat than heart attacks from meaty goodness, as are the other estrogen-mimicking compounds no one seems aware of. 

Edited April 18, 2013 by Glaceon

[Harmonic Revelations 8,835]

I feel like no one's paying attention to us, Angus. @@Harmonic Revelations and @@Circadian are too busy screaming at each other to hear anything we have to say. Did you see my EnvSci notes? Genisten is much more of a threat than heart attacks from meaty goodness, as are the other estrogen-mimicking compounds no one seems aware of. 

The only reason I can't hear you is because I'm busy talking about the truest evil there is.

 

Of course we all know I'm talking about transformers.

[Modphase 1,271]

I feel like no one's paying attention to us, Angus. @@Harmonic Revelations and @@Circadian are too busy screaming at each other to hear anything we have to say. Did you see my EnvSci notes? Genisten is much more of a threat than heart attacks from meaty goodness, as are the other estrogen-mimicking compounds no one seems aware of. 

Eeyup, I read em, and the pesticides in plants are something that shouldn't be taken lightly.

 

Pure cooked meat is probably the cleanest food on Earth. The heat from a fire kills all of the disease causing bacteria.

 

Can't put pesticides in animals, no sir.

[Circadian 1,273]

I feel like no one's paying attention to us, Angus. @Harmonic Revelations and @Circadian are too busy screaming at each other to hear anything we have to say. Did you see my EnvSci notes? Genisten is much more of a threat than heart attacks from meaty goodness.

 

Wait, there are other people in this thread?

 

Forget meat, maybe we should be fighting the demographic that drinks oil.

 

Yeah, we should fight the real menace! Transformers! They'll be the downfall of us all!

 

Wait... Transformers = Hasbro

 

Hasbro = ...

 

Edited April 18, 2013 by Circadian

[Shanks 10,816]

Can't put pesticides in animals, no sir.

True, but the animals can eat the plants containing the pesticides and animals are often given growth hormones to make them bigger.

Edited April 18, 2013 by EarthbendingProdigy

[Descant 1,898]

Eeyup, I read em, and the pesticides in plants are something that shouldn't be taken lightly.

 

Pure cooked meat is probably the cleanest food on Earth. The heat from a fire kills all of the disease causing bacteria.

 

Can't put pesticides in animals, no sir.

Actually, yes you can. You can feed animals plants with pesticides, and then they have pesticides in their bloodstream. Bald eagles actually went extinct in the continental US for a time due to heavy pesticide use. Due to the chemicals, the shells of the eagle chicks were flimsy and would break too easily.

[Modphase 1,271]

True, but the animals can eat the plants containing the pesticides and animals are often given growth hormones to make them bigger.

Notice how I said pure cooked meat. Meat from hunted animals in the wilderness, where there are no pesticide treated plants.

[Descant 1,898]

True, but the animals can eat the plants containing the pesticides and animals are often given growth hormones to make them bigger.

That's true, and it's because of those self-same growth hormones that puberty is coming earlier in young women that are consuming these animals from an early age. It's why puberty is coming so much earlier nowadays, and its why the general size of... erm... masculinity is shrinking, as well. As my notes said, erm... girth is down 14% from 1930.

Edited April 18, 2013 by Glaceon

[Shanks 10,816]

 As my notes said, erm... girth is down 14% from 1930.

I guess you can say this is a GROWING problem, but seriously though these same hormones are also causing massive increases in breast and ovarian cancers and even more disturbingly the estrogen mimicking compounds you mentioned one of the most common of which is Bisphenol A which is found in nearly all plastics is nearly impossible to completely avoid regardless of diet and cause the same problems as the growth hormones. I am sure once these are removed women especially will breath a sign of relief as this seems to be a very BIG problem.

Edited April 18, 2013 by EarthbendingProdigy

[PoniesPlease 365]

You could just, y'know, let people do what they want instead of forcing your opinions onto everyone else. That'd save a lot of grief.

[Rainbow Dash 1,472]

You do have some valid statements but I have the argument where vegetables(mostly lettuce) taste like water and and are only good with meat.

 

 

 

6) Therefore, eating meat is immoral and unethical. And abhorrently selfish, since the pony who eats meat does so only for the hedonistic and temporary satisfaction of his taste buds. Especially when there are so many vegetarian and tasteful alternatives (from meatless and healthful soy products to traditional Indian dishes).

Um really? I can't speak for other meat eaters but i eat meat because it provides substance. basically survival. Also, I have alot of vegetarian friends who are constantly sick. They say that their doctors told them its from not eating meat which help boost the immune system as well as red blood cells.

 

 

 

7) There is more than enough cruelty in the world as it is; no sane pony can deny this. There is no need to add to the world's cruelty, unnecessarily.

you are right about that but there are arguments saying that without slaughterhouses there would be an overpopulation of cows and chickens in some countries. 

[ping111 124]

Good thing I'm not a vegan, nor a moron who would do something that idiotic. It's pretty easy to eat properly.

 

Did you know Heart Disease is the leading cause of death in the US, and that eating too much red meat is the primary culprit?

Oh yeah! It's FOR SURE the MEAT! That stupid old meat! You're for sure the culprit; forget about you, grease and fats! You're free to go, you silly ol' artery-clogging bastards, you! As for you, meat...

[SonOfTheNorthe 412]

Meat is delicious. Also, cows make milk, which turns into cheese. Cheese is LITERALLY angel poop. That's reason enough to eat meat.

 

Now, I wouldn't mind if the entire world turned vegetarian. It takes WAYYY too much resources to grow animals. And that's why scientists are making meat in petri dishes!

[Petitor Y. 7]

I eat meat like 1:3 per day...i do need the protein but i don't want the weigh...well i do badminton...and biking... but i still look pretty on school

[Golurk 468]

You bring up a lot of good points, good sir. I agree that it's not entirely necessary, but at this point, meat's a pretty solidly driven part of human culture. Not to mention, many people (myself included) simply enjoy the taste of various meats. (Except beef. Beef is terrible if you ask me.)

 

Now, my philosophy here is that the animals are going to get killed for food purposes regardless of whether or not I eat them. There'd still be a demand for them unless everyone stopped eating meat, which will never happen. They're gonna die anyway; might as well not put them to waste.

 

Although, I was reading an article the other day about how a single pig stem cell can become up to 200 lbs of pure pork. No animal is made in the process, so no pain is caused to anything. I can imagine that would nullify the arguments of most vegetarians.

 

I respect the choices of vegans and the like, I could just never get behind it myself. Why, you may ask?

 

BACON.

Edited April 18, 2013 by Yosef von Uzenvard

[SongBrony 419]

First things first. Take your finger. Stick it in your mouth. You feel that pointed tooth? It's called a canine. We have to so we can tear meat apart. Nature/God (whichever you believe) put them there for that purpose, not so we could grind plants.  

 

"every recommendation you have ever seen always stresses that we need to eat less meat and more fruits and vegetables for our health." Um...I have never heard that. Never. I always hear we need to eat a balance of both. 

 

Why does it matter to you what I eat? As a part of the dominant race on planet Earth, I'm allowed to eat meat. I've tried the vegetarian alternatives, and they don't taste that great.

 

"since the person who eats meat does so only for the hedonistic and temporary satisfaction of his taste buds" Yes. I eat meat because it tastes great. In fact I had a juicy hamburger for lunch. Why? It tastes great, it fills me up more than plants, and remember those sharp teeth we have? I like putting them to good use. But it's not the only reason I eat it. I eat it because I'm hungry.   You know, that feeling you get in your stomach? Meat fills it faster and gives me more energy than a salad does. 

 

Here's why I believe you should stop eating plants. 

 

1) It's cruel to kill what gives us Oxygen to breath. I don't know about you, but I enjoy breathing. Dead plants don't give us oxygen, they give us empty bellies.

 

2) We wouldn't be alive if it weren't for plants. You take biology yet? Have you learned that plants are what made it possible for life to originate on Earth to begin with? I think it's immoral to kill the things that made life possible.

 

3) It's wrong to kill defenseless things. Plants that we eat have little to no defenses. A cow can at least kick you or skewer you with it's horn. A horse can kick your head off. (I'm not an advocate for eating horse meat) A turkey has a beak that can stab you. A squirrel is fast and can bite you really freaking hard. A plant can't defend itself. A plant is at the whim and mercy of the human race. 

 

 

^^^You see those reasons up there? All are complete BS as to why you should stop eating plants, just like the ones I saw on the OP. I don't have a problem with vegetarians, just don't go saying that eating meat is terrible and that we should be disgraced for doing it. Remember that sharp tooth you have? The one meant for the ripping of meat? You have it for a reason. Why not put it to use instead of having it take up room in your mouth.

[Coffee Cream 74]

The Basic Argument

 

1) Eating meat is not at all required for health. There have never been any bulletins or recommendations saying that "we need to eat more meat (for health)". Not from the medical community (beholden to the pharmaceutical industry), not from health agencies (indebted to special interest groups). Not even the powerful meat industry has ever dared make such an outrageous claim. In fact, the converse is true: every recommendation you have ever seen always stresses that we need to eat less meat and more fruits and vegetables for our health.

 

2) There is no nutrient in meat that cannot be found in a vegetarian diet. No one can deny this.

 

3) There is no disease where eating meat is required for the treatment or cure of the disease.

 

4) Therefore, eating meat is absolutely unnecessary.

 

5) Eating meat causes death to other animals, obviously. And, despite attempts to make slaughter "humane", whether it be "kosher", "halal" or otherwise, it quite probably, or even certainly, causes stress and pain as well.

 

6) Therefore, eating meat is immoral and unethical. And abhorrently selfish, since the person who eats meat does so only for the hedonistic and temporary satisfaction of his taste buds. Especially when there are so many vegetarian and tasteful alternatives (from meatless and healthful soy products to traditional Indian dishes).

 

7) There is more than enough cruelty in the world as it is; no sane person can deny this. There is no need to add to the world's cruelty, unnecessarily.

 

 

DISCLAIMER: If you are a dependant in your household you probably can't safely make the transition to vegetarian. Those that are considered dependent shouldn't be too hard on themselves. However, you can try making an effort to eat healthier.

 

Also, some countries haven't developed to the point where people can sustain themselves without meat. Though, if you have the internet, that's probably not the case.

OBJECTION!

Argument #1: And I quote, " there are major nutritional benefits to consuming some red meat and some white meat but almost no reason—aside from tastes—to consume most processed meats. The heme iron content of red meat and the plethora of other critical nutrients represent a major element in our diet. Numerous studies have shown that adding small amounts of red meat to the diets of most populations consuming a vegetarian or very low meat diet provide nutritional benefits." (Popkin, 2009). Retrieved form JAMA internal medicine VIA university database (I'm a nursing student, be prepared for hardcore scholarly article references). 

Argument #2: Refer to Argument 1. Although you can find supplements to give you the nutrients you can get in meat, nothing beats getting it naturally. Why consume a capsule with the iron you need when you can get it naturally? 

Argument #3: I will give you that. However, stem cells from animals have been used to research cures for diseases, which is pretty darn cool. Also, in moderation, meat will help you to have a balanced diet whereas a vegetarian diet can have several nutritional deficiencies where you would need to supplement your nutrition. 

Argument #4: As previously stated, eating meat does have some nutritional benefits when used in moderation. If you don't need supplements and can get your nutrients naturally, why not?

Argument #5: There are methods that farmers have created to make their deaths as painless as possible by making their death instant by their strategy of killing. If you go into the wilderness and see a pack of wolves feeding off of a deer would you tell the wolves to stop eating the deer because it's in pain? It's inevitable. There'a reason that the humans are at the top of the food chain. It's the way we've evolved. It's from us doing what we do to survive and thrive. We didn't get to the top of the food chain without killing off other species. No matter what you do, that's just how it is. I actually want to hear your opinions towards "Do not recuscitate" policies in hospitals interesting to hear from a perspective other than a nursing student's.

Argument #6: As previously stated, meat and alternatives provide natural, good nutrients to the body in moderation. It's not immoral, it's nature, and it's not going to change.

Argument #7: Of course there's lots of cruelty in the world. Just look at what happened in Boston this past week (thoughts and prayers with them, I could only imagine what living in that city is like right now). Eating meat is a practice that has been done for the thousands of years that humans have been inhabiting the Earth. If a bear attacks a human, will you get angry at the bear for being cruel to the human? Or would you argue that the bear is protecting it's territory even if the human didn't want to invade it.

 

Food for thought really, food for thought (see what I did there?)

 

I don't mean to sound rude, but I really hate it when people try to force their opinions on others and try to sway them when they don't wish to be swayed. You're vegetarian? That's great! Good for you! But don't try to force it onto people who enjoy their meat-eating lifestyles without significant evidence and an open-minded demeanour because your demeanour sounds closed-minded and forceful. Maybe try an approach that shows the pros of being a vegetarian while respecting those who still wish to eat meat. It's the basis of being a health educator's job to respect the opinions of others while providing relevant information that could potentially sway their opinions. It doesn't have to necessarily sway their opinions, but at least they'll be informed of their options.

Edited April 18, 2013 by Coffee Cream

[Titan Rising 2,156]

1.  animals hunt other animals all the time

2.  If an animal tries to eat me and I kill it what should I do?

3.  What readily available vegetarian options are there to provide me with a good amount of protein?

4.  What about eggs?

5.  so if I eat tons of animals for the protein rather than the taste is it moral?

[Blue Moon 6,341]

Actually, if animals weren't hunted and killed, that species would become overpopulated and no one wants that. Also, if you are too skinny, meat is a good way to put some meat on your bones.

[Pixy Belle 102]

I'm sorry, but I'm on the carnivorous side of omnivore... Meat contains more protiens than anyone could even get out of a supplement.