Nightmare Moon and Season 4 [Spoilers]

[Wardaddy 470]

@ Firebolt Blitz - Hey, don't take it so seriously; I wasn't "blowing a gasket" or anything like that, just messing with you, that's all.

GOD F*CKING DAMMIT!!! Screwed up again.........Why always me Lord? Why can I never understand those types of goddamn jokes that happen out of the blue?!

Guys, I may have come across something mindblowing. I was watching an analysis video of the Season 4 sneak peek (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y2jfSJdpeo) when suddenly, just when it got to the Nightmare Moon part, at the very start of the scene I saw what looked like Twilight's cutie mark flash on screen, similar to when Twi became an alicorn. In fact, follow these guidelines. Look up the video, start from 3:08, and go from there. You can't miss it, it's Twilight's cutie mark and it appears in the exact same fashion when Twilight gained her wings. Also, I think it happens again at the end of the scene, after Luna turns into Nightmare Moon. Have a look for yourselves and tell me what you think.

Edited September 12, 2013 by Firebolt Blitz

[ItsRay24 4]

Hello friends i just recently became a brony and have come across this topic and I'm hyped for the season 4 episode in November I have came across a video and if you seen it thats amazing if not then this will blow your mind!!!!!! http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao9teQKuEo8# if your interested in the whole conversation then watch it all if not start towards the end at 7:00 this is amazing and may or maybe not be true but seems likely

@firebolt blitz you will love this!!! If you never seen it of course. It ties so well together in what you have been hoping for that nightmare moon will return!!!! I will support this fact all the way! I personally love nightmare moon/Luna and wouldn't mind her as a villain. I hope she is because that would make what? The first episode and 2nd pointless to me! Celestia and Luna used it to defeat discord shouldn't she know how it works? Oh and King Sombra as well if thats how you spell his name sorry. I believe "Luna eclipsed" and "Sleepless in ponyville" is Luna aka NMM gaining the trust of all the ponies including her sister if you haven't checked the video out yet it my comment will make more sense here another link.....http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao9teQKuEo8#

[FNGRpony 658]

This is hands down the most intreaguing episode of all the sneak peaks. If i had to guess twilight uses her magic to delve into
A
the past
B
someones mind (luna or celestai
C
someones dream (Same as above really)

Or Luna has fallen of the wagon again. OH wouldn't that be something ^^. I'm all for luna the bad guy. Or at least something to fill that void.

shout out to it's ray 24 for putting up Anthony C and brony curious video on luna. That shit was awesome.

as for luna being corrupted by sombre you mean this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me9rxgjLWfM

fall of an empire,

i mean i don't expect it to be this good but i can hope lol

Edited September 20, 2013 by FNGRpony

[ItsRay24 4]

I didn't exactly mean she was corrupted by Sombra I meant that she helped defeat Sombra with elements. What I believe is Luna being jealous of celestia turned into NMM got banished and for the 1000 years angred for the banishment had a secret plan when she is released from the banishment. There is no way NMM/Luna can simply be beaten that quickly after 1000 years like come on thats so bad if it was true

@FNGRpony that was actually pretty interesting fan creation ha I like that!!!

That would be interesting if put in but sense this show can't go down that rode we can only dream that they would get in sword fights like that lol

Edited September 20, 2013 by ItsRay24

[Wardaddy 470]

Hello friends i just recently became a brony and have come across this topic and I'm hyped for the season 4 episode in November I have came across a video and if you seen it thats amazing if not then this will blow your mind!!!!!! http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao9teQKuEo8# if your interested in the whole conversation then watch it all if not start towards the end at 7:00 this is amazing and may or maybe not be true but seems likely

@firebolt blitz you will love this!!! If you never seen it of course. It ties so well together in what you have been hoping for that nightmare moon will return!!!! I will support this fact all the way! I personally love nightmare moon/Luna and wouldn't mind her as a villain. I hope she is because that would make what? The first episode and 2nd pointless to me! Celestia and Luna used it to defeat discord shouldn't she know how it works? Oh and King Sombra as well if thats how you spell his name sorry. I believe "Luna eclipsed" and "Sleepless in ponyville" is Luna aka NMM gaining the trust of all the ponies including her sister if you haven't checked the video out yet it my comment will make more sense here another link.....http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao9teQKuEo8#

Um, I don't know what it was you were trying to show me in that video, but I didn't get it. All I got was malarkey about "A Canterlot Wedding" which I already knew, nothing about Nightmare Moon returning.

 

UPDATE: Wait a moment...........are you.............oh my Celestia......it can't be! You're saying Nightmare Moon and Chrysalis are one and the same! That's not what I was thinking at all!

Edited September 20, 2013 by Firebolt Blitz

[FNGRpony 658]

Um, I don't know what it was you were trying to show me in that video, but I didn't get it. All I got was malarkey about "A Canterlot Wedding" which I already knew, nothing about Nightmare Moon returning.

 

UPDATE: Wait a moment...........are you.............oh my Celestia......it can't be! You're saying Nightmare Moon and Chrysalis are one and the same! That's not what I was thinking at all!

 

And why not?  Don't the changeling army look like something that say came out of a nightmare?  Now that's not likely the case,

but imagine if it is.  That would mean we've had a villain at ground zero this whole time.

[Wardaddy 470]

And why not?  Don't the changeling army look like something that say came out of a nightmare?  Now that's not likely the case,

but imagine if it is.  That would mean we've had a villain at ground zero this whole time.

By Celestia, we did. And if this is the case, then Luna has been pulling our hooves this whole time! She is the princess of the night, and in certain circumstances, there are things that can go bump in the night...............

 

Furthermore, if that is the case, then my best pony has been an agent of evil right from the very beginning! Even though Nightmare Moon was supposedly defeated, the true source could not be extinguished, and that source was Luna herself! So all this time, if it turns out to be true, then Luna was never freed of the grip evil had on her. My suspicion is that she's after Celestia's throne, and by targeting Cadance, that would be one princess in the line out of the way. But that plan failed, and now that Twilight's become a princess, Luna has been pushed even further down the line, and now it seems likely to have enraged her. So what does Luna do? Teleport Twilight to a possibly refurbished and rebuilt Castle of the Royal Sisters, where she would proceed to declare war on not one, but ALL of the princesses in the line, including Twilight.

 

If that theory is proven to be true, then we may be in for one of the best seasons of all time!

Edited September 20, 2013 by Firebolt Blitz

[FNGRpony 658]

Well the changeling army is suppose to be stealthy, i mean luna never really shows her own forces (or does she?)

isn't it odd the second most powerful creature in all of equistra doesn't have wallflowers?

 

Now I'm assuming that scene from season 4 is a flash back of some sort.
Who's to say it's not mis leading?

Kinda like tom riddle in the chamber of secrets in the second potter movie.

Suppose Luna is evil, wouldn't it be in her best interest to spin a lie about her being controlled by out side forces?

Bam, instant mulligan and all is forgiven.

[Wardaddy 470]

Well the changeling army is suppose to be stealthy, i mean luna never really shows her own forces (or does she?)

isn't it odd the second most powerful creature in all of equistra doesn't have wallflowers?

 

Now I'm assuming that scene from season 4 is a flash back of some sort.

Who's to say it's not mis leading?

Kinda like tom riddle in the chamber of secrets in the second potter movie.

 

Suppose Luna is evil, wouldn't it be in her best interest to spin a lie about her being controlled by out side forces?

Bam, instant mulligan and all is forgiven.

It would be the wisest action for a vulnerable villain to spin a lie about being possessed by an outside force. Everypony would then forgive her/him, bring her/him back up to speed and life would go on, leaving the villain to think up new and increasingly nefarious plans. As I said before, I'm starting to think that Luna was always evil, even when she wasn't Nightmare Moon or Chrysalis. And also, I think she wants the throne of Equestria, because by royal law (as far as I think it goes) relations to royalty cannot ascend the throne immediately after them. Those that come before the relation have the right to claim rule, and I don't think Luna liked that a whole lot.

 

But seriously, if what Bronycurious and Antony C said is true, then Luna would've been playing us this whole time! I can't get over it, the very thought of Luna being the mastermind behind the changeling attack AND Nightmare Moon. It buzzing in my head like a flock of angry wasps. Most of it flew over my head, but I did get the part where both Luna and Chrys had the ability to shapeshift, but never did it cross my mind that the princess of the night and the Changeling Queen were one and the same. How else could Chrys have known about the caves, or the wedding for that matter? And the changelings being the Children of the Night........it all makes sense! I can't get it out of my head......its like angry wasps, like I said!

[ItsRay24 4]

I feel like this season shit is about to go down. The more I look into this the more I believe Luna/NMM is going to be a permanent villain. If the video i linked is any way true then the elements of harmany dont work anymore on Luna/NMM and she has the power to defeat her sister easily now!!!! I believe Luna has been playing them this whole time to gain all there trust then strike when they least expect it. Going to ponyville gaining there trust, visiting dreams offering to help??? @Firebolt blitz what I was trying to show you was how odd Luna was acting in this 2 part episode. How cold she just be gone through the whole 2 part episode during the attack on canterlot??? People say she was sleeping but that is not the case who could sleep through all that? She also can shapeshift just like the queen changeling. That makes it even more believable that they are one of the same. I honestly don't think the elements changed her to good it looked like i just drained her of her power if anything. Also if Luna is still evil then she had 1000 years to plan this out, and it seems to be going her way so far...as the queen changeling she challenged the 6 and her sister celestia. That trailer to season 4 seems to be just a flash back. Maybe NNM/ Luna reveals herself does some damage gets away with it and celestia maybe sent her back in time to view the beginning of how it all started to maybe save Luna. I don't think celestia would want Luna to be banished for another 1000 years that would crush the show in my opinion

[Wardaddy 470]

I feel like this season shit is about to go down. The more I look into this the more I believe Luna/NMM is going to be a permanent villain. If the video i linked is any way true then the elements of harmany dont work anymore on Luna/NMM and she has the power to defeat her sister easily now!!!! I believe Luna has been playing them this whole time to gain all there trust then strike when they least expect it. Going to ponyville gaining there trust, visiting dreams offering to help??? @Firebolt blitz what I was trying to show you was how odd Luna was acting in this 2 part episode. How cold she just be gone through the whole 2 part episode during the attack on canterlot??? People say she was sleeping but that is not the case who could sleep through all that? She also can shapeshift just like the queen changeling. That makes it even more believable that they are one of the same. I honestly don't think the elements changed her to good it looked like i just drained her of her power if anything. Also if Luna is still evil then she had 1000 years to plan this out, and it seems to be going her way so far...as the queen changeling she challenged the 6 and her sister celestia. That trailer to season 4 seems to be just a flash back. Maybe NNM/ Luna reveals herself does some damage gets away with it and celestia maybe sent her back in time to view the beginning of how it all started to maybe save Luna. I don't think celestia would want Luna to be banished for another 1000 years that would crush the show in my opinion

Also Ray, if you take a look at the link I posted above, before and at the end of the scene, you will see Twilight's cutie mark flash on-screen as it appeared in Magical Mystery Cure, with the six stars that everypony considered to be an animation error. If that's the case, then was the cutie-mark flash in MMC really an error? However, to top this all off in a nice big bow, I've a feeling Luna manipulated Twilight's magic to send her into the past, explaining why when she got there, she was confused and bewildered. And with Twilight sent into the past, Luna ensured that the Elements of Harmony would never work again, not while the Element of Magic is missing from the mix, thereby ensuring her ability to wreak havoc on Equestria.

 

Now, as Chrysalis, I suspect that Luna went in there to add extra power to her already re-energised form, using Shining Armor as her siphon. And with her Children of the Night (the changelings) lying in wait, she would use the love that was contained within Equestria to not only feed her swarm, but to deprive the ponies of Equestria of any hope, or courage to try to take her on. However, when her cover was blown, she had to take direct offensive action, and by beating Celestia fair and square, that was the first stroke towards her future success. Plus, with Shining Armor under her leash, the Canterlot Guard could not act against Luna, and even if they did, it would be hopeless. And with the Mane 6 quickly dealt with, it all built up to form solid evidence that if she acted quickly and decisively, Luna would be able to beat her sister, the Canterlot Guard and the EoH in the near future, quickly and easily.

 

And yeah, Luna could never have slept through all that. But there's one slight niggle you missed. Chrysalis got blown out of Canterlot into the Badlands beyond. If she was Luna, then how did she get back in time for the wedding reception?

Edited September 20, 2013 by Firebolt Blitz

[Scootadress 361]

Also Ray, if you take a look at the link I posted above, before and at the end of the scene, you will see Twilight's cutie mark flash on-screen as it appeared in Magical Mystery Cure, with the six stars that everypony considered to be an animation error. If that's the case, then was the cutie-mark flash in MMC really an error? However, to top this all off in a nice big bow, I've a feeling Luna manipulated Twilight's magic to send her into the past, explaining why when she got there, she was confused and bewildered. And with Twilight sent into the past, Luna ensured that the Elements of Harmony would never work again, not while the Element of Magic is missing from the mix, thereby ensuring her ability to wreak havoc on Equestria.

 

Now, as Chrysalis, I suspect that Luna went in there to add extra power to her already re-energised form, using Shining Armor as her siphon. And with her Children of the Night (the changelings) lying in wait, she would use the love that was contained within Equestria to not only feed her swarm, but to deprive the ponies of Equestria of any hope, or courage to try to take her on. However, when her cover was blown, she had to take direct offensive action, and by beating Celestia fair and square, that was the first stroke towards her future success. Plus, with Shining Armor under her leash, the Canterlot Guard could not act against Luna, and even if they did, it would be hopeless. And with the Mane 6 quickly dealt with, it all built up to form solid evidence that if she acted quickly and decisively, Luna would be able to beat her sister, the Canterlot Guard and the EoH in the near future, quickly and easily.

 

And yeah, Luna could never have slept through all that. But there's one slight niggle you missed. Chrysalis got blown out of Canterlot into the Badlands beyond. If she was Luna, then how did she get back in time for the wedding reception?

Well, she could easily teleport back. Its not very hard considering she can shape shift and use powerful magic in a split moment. She did that in the first episode. How can a pony teleport fast enough to the celebration and take Celestia? Unless Celestia trolled the hell out of her subjects, she was taken by NNM. If so, how can she do that as fast? Quite fast at that.

 

Plus, one pony must know about the area downstairs. Though, I have to admit, that was pretty flimsy. Is Cadence dumb or something? It took all of 1 minute for Twilight to find Cadence in rage. Wouldn't Luna be awake if this was a wedding, or was she not invited?

 

Just remember:

NNM will never die. Its the physical form of extreme jealousy, anger, and sadness. Luna wouldn't just CHANGE from the elements. Hell, the elements don't seem permanent. They couldn't hold Luna in 1,000 years. 

[ItsRay24 4]

Well if you watch the 2 episodes carefully you actually see princess Luna fly in and out of the shield... She could of been preparing the changeling army? Wha else was she supposed to do all i saw her doing was keeping watch and flying in and out if the city i don't no i just can't wait for this upcoming season!!!!!

[Wardaddy 470]

Well, she could easily teleport back. Its not very hard considering she can shape shift and use powerful magic in a split moment. She did that in the first episode. How can a pony teleport fast enough to the celebration and take Celestia? Unless Celestia trolled the hell out of her subjects, she was taken by NNM. If so, how can she do that as fast? Quite fast at that.

 

Plus, one pony must know about the area downstairs. Though, I have to admit, that was pretty flimsy. Is Cadence dumb or something? It took all of 1 minute for Twilight to find Cadence in rage. Wouldn't Luna be awake if this was a wedding, or was she not invited?

 

Just remember:

NNM will never die. Its the physical form of extreme jealousy, anger, and sadness. Luna wouldn't just CHANGE from the elements. Hell, the elements don't seem permanent. They couldn't hold Luna in 1,000 years. 

Oh, er, yeah! *In Professor Frink's voice* How could I forget the frickin' teleportation? With the flashing and the magic and the gravity and physics defying HOOORSE MANURRRRE!!!! LOL JK. But srsly, how could I forget?

 

If anypony knew about the caves, it had to be Luna. There's no way Chrysalis could've known, unless she were Luna, whose lived in the castle muuuuch longer than Chrys. Long enough to know about the caves, and thereby plan out a use for them, such as keeping the real Cadance locked in them so as to copperfasten the effectiveness of her disguise. But then what? Would she be left to wither and die, or would Luna come back to harvest her love?

 

Trust me, I'm convinced enough to know that NMM is an essence made of pure negative emotion. Jealousy, anger, hatred, they can never be extinguished. As long as that stands, so shall Nightmare Moon. That's why I believe she'll return, that Nightmare Moon will again manipulate Luna to make her think that with Twilight's ascension, and with Cadance also in the running as well (as princess), she will be pushed down below Twilight as the sister of Celestia (if I recall correctly, royal law forbids a relative from ascending to the throne after the current ruler steps down. Those other than her will claim the right to rule). This spurs Luna into action, sending Twilight into the past by corrupting her magic to work against her will. Without the Element of Magic to lead the EoH, Luna is free to wreak havoc, picking apart the Equestrian lineage until only she and Celestia are left.

[Scootadress 361]

Oh, er, yeah! *In Professor Frink's voice* How could I forget the frickin' teleportation? With the flashing and the magic and the gravity and physics defying HOOORSE MANURRRRE!!!! LOL JK. But srsly, how could I forget?

 

If anypony knew about the caves, it had to be Luna. There's no way Chrysalis could've known, unless she were Luna, whose lived in the castle muuuuch longer than Chrys. Long enough to know about the caves, and thereby plan out a use for them, such as keeping the real Cadance locked in them so as to copperfasten the effectiveness of her disguise. But then what? Would she be left to wither and die, or would Luna come back to harvest her love?

 

Trust me, I'm convinced enough to know that NMM is an essence made of pure negative emotion. Jealousy, anger, hatred, they can never be extinguished. As long as that stands, so shall Nightmare Moon. That's why I believe she'll return, that Nightmare Moon will again manipulate Luna to make her think that with Twilight's ascension, and with Cadance also in the running as well (as princess), she will be pushed down below Twilight as the sister of Celestia (if I recall correctly, royal law forbids a relative from ascending to the throne after the current ruler steps down. Those other than her will claim the right to rule). This spurs Luna into action, sending Twilight into the past by corrupting her magic to work against her will. Without the Element of Magic to lead the EoH, Luna is free to wreak havoc, picking apart the Equestrian lineage until only she and Celestia are left.

I'm more concerned that she managed to trick everypony into think Chrysalis was this nasty queen to get their minds off of NNM. I think that would ease a little tension. Even then, she still held horrible anger and animosity towards Celestia. It seems placed because in some of the episodes, you never see Luna, only in Luna Eclipsed she makes an appearance despite being a princess and should go to whatever thing she needs to for her duties. It seems Celestia still hasn't learned that Luna wants to be a Princess along side her, not pushed farther back by these incoming princesses. Cadence was more recognized, and she wasn't a tale! Who else would coordinate a siege on a kingdom with that much anger towards the subjects, many still quivering in fear OF her.

 

Who else can pull off a double shapeshift as good as her and trick them as well as her? No pony heard of Chrysalis until she was everything. Also, not everypony would be as surprised to beat her as well. It would give purpose to 'Chrysalis' and her being there. The reason she was there was for love, but they never directly stated why they did it there in the first place. Why a top city with a princess and not Ponyville itself?

 

Plus, if these followers were shapeshifters, the love sucking would make sense. If love was a physical substance as much as magic, then, what better thing would be for somepony without and seeking love?

 

Instead of going to that choice, I would suggest manipulation. She seems quite good at that. Maybe that portion was a flashback to remind Twilight she's not going through anything new, and to show Celestia's side. (Though, that's all we ever see.) Maybe Luna will convince Twilight that she is the same way as herself so that she can be still the princess.

[ItsRay24 4]

I still honestly believe that NMM is Luna herself not some thing manipulating her. Luna hate, jealousy , and bitterness transformed her into NMM. I don't no how emotions could can manipulate one person to do so much bad in he world. It's my opinion but I just believe Luna has always been evil from the start of the series and even more so after getting banished for 1000 years. I would be angred if I was banished for 1000 years and would not forgive my sister so fast as Luna did unless i had evil intentions(a plan). Well that's just me lol.

[Scootadress 361]

I still honestly believe that NMM is Luna herself not some thing manipulating her. Luna hate, jealousy , and bitterness transformed her into NMM. I don't no how emotions could can manipulate one person to do so much bad in he world. It's my opinion but I just believe Luna has always been evil from the start of the series and even more so after getting banished for 1000 years. I would be angred if I was banished for 1000 years and would not forgive my sister so fast as Luna did unless i had evil intentions(a plan). Well that's just me lol.

Well, you can be so swayed by 'blind' emotions you easily get manipulated into doing something a level headed person wouldn't do if they thought first. Her anger, jealousy, and sorrow that derived from lack of appreciation didn't foresee what would happen if she really did win. Her emotions manipulating something that if you thought first, would be really dumb. She might have bad intentions and that's the problem. She wouldn't see the huge picture as to why she did that, or maybe she wouldn't understand why the ponies feel the way they did.

[Wardaddy 470]

I'm more concerned that she managed to trick everypony into think Chrysalis was this nasty queen to get their minds off of NNM. I think that would ease a little tension. Even then, she still held horrible anger and animosity towards Celestia. It seems placed because in some of the episodes, you never see Luna, only in Luna Eclipsed she makes an appearance despite being a princess and should go to whatever thing she needs to for her duties. It seems Celestia still hasn't learned that Luna wants to be a Princess along side her, not pushed farther back by these incoming princesses. Cadence was more recognized, and she wasn't a tale! Who else would coordinate a siege on a kingdom with that much anger towards the subjects, many still quivering in fear OF her.

 

Who else can pull off a double shapeshift as good as her and trick them as well as her? No pony heard of Chrysalis until she was everything. Also, not everypony would be as surprised to beat her as well. It would give purpose to 'Chrysalis' and her being there. The reason she was there was for love, but they never directly stated why they did it there in the first place. Why a top city with a princess and not Ponyville itself?

 

Plus, if these followers were shapeshifters, the love sucking would make sense. If love was a physical substance as much as magic, then, what better thing would be for somepony without and seeking love?

 

Instead of going to that choice, I would suggest manipulation. She seems quite good at that. Maybe that portion was a flashback to remind Twilight she's not going through anything new, and to show Celestia's side. (Though, that's all we ever see.) Maybe Luna will convince Twilight that she is the same way as herself so that she can be still the princess.

Even 12 hours of blissful sleep did not cure me of this shellshocking revelation. The whole idea, the mere thought, of Luna and Chrysalis being one and the same...........it's a thought I just cannot comprehend on any level, and yet, it makes so much sense that it's an idea FIT to be comprehended! Oh Celestia, how can you be so naïve? In fact, how could I be so naïve?! I always took Luna for the confused, but willing wallflower princess who mixes up olden-day customs with those of the modern-day. But all this time, it's all been a hoax! A con! A front! She's been evil right from the very beginning........it should have been so obvious. Never trust the night to be peaceful. There are shadows that do lurk in the darkness, shadows of ill intent, malice, and great, great evil. That's not something from Lord of the Rings by the way, it is an automatically generated instinct of mine. IRL Criminals may not work at night, however there are dangers far greater than your common robber. That especially goes for Equestria.

[cuteycindyhoney 13,322]

I just had a thought. Has anyone ever seen the show "Quantum Leap"? Maybe Twilight "leaped" back in time. and her mind/soul appears to Luna as her sister Celestia. Twilight may have to set things right in order to get home. Or, it's a flashback...

LOL!

[Wardaddy 470]

I just had a thought. Has anyone ever seen the show "Quantum Leap"? Maybe Twilight "leaped" back in time. and her mind/soul appears to Luna as her sister Celestia. Twilight may have to set things right in order to get home. Or, it's a flashback...

LOL!

Its funny you should mention that, because I'm beginning to think that either Luna manipulated Twilight's magic to take her into the past, or Twilight was going to teleport somewhere, only something happened that screwed up the spell and sent Twi into the past......my two bits are on the former, as part of Luna's grand master plan to ensure her rapid and foolproof takeover of Equestria.

[cuteycindyhoney 13,322]

Its funny you should mention that, because I'm beginning to think that either Luna manipulated Twilight's magic to take her into the past, or Twilight was going to teleport somewhere, only something happened that screwed up the spell and sent Twi into the past......my two bits are on the former, as part of Luna's grand master plan to ensure her rapid and foolproof takeover of Equestria.

How about this? Past Luna is manipulating time, and Twilight was swept back. Present Luna, who learned the error of her ways, is frantically trying to undo the spell she cast over a thousand years ago.

[Wardaddy 470]

How about this? Past Luna is manipulating time, and Twilight was swept back. Present Luna, who learned the error of her ways, is frantically trying to undo the spell she cast over a thousand years ago.

It could be that as well. But the problem here, is that while we have so much material and headcanon to chew on for the remainder of the wait for Season 4, none of it is official. But isn't that what makes waiting so great? While the human brain tends to overanalyse things, it brings with it a short-lived, but still glorious feeling of joy and self-sureness that you may be onto something, until its eventual disproving by another person. Still, without confirmation, it gets my head in a big f*cking twist. What is right here? What is wrong? Is Nightmare Moon returning or not!

Ok everypony, lets bring this discussion back a bit and discuss the possibility of Luna being Chrysalis. It does seem to make sense. Where was Luna when Canterlot was being attacked? Where was Luna when Twilight suspected that "Cadance" was the impostor? And why is it that Luna just happened to have showed up at the end of the episode? And to further elaborate, why attack just Canterlot, when strategically Ponyville was a more ample target? What did Chrysalis plan to do when she locked Celestia in a cocoon? Why is it that nopony else but Chrysalis knew about the Canterlot Caves? (unless Luna and Chrysalis are actually separate, and Luna secretly informed Chrysalis of the caves under Nightmare Moon's influence) And is it a coincidence that Chrysalis can shapeshift as expertly as Luna can?

 

To answer the first question, there are several possibilities, two of which are the most prominent. They include Luna either sleeping, or playing video games (Gamer Luna reference *wink wink*). IMO, Luna could've been away, preparing her Children of the Night (the changeling army) to invade Canterlot, while keeping a straight face in front of her sister as well as everypony else.

 

To answer the second question, the most prominent answers are very much the same as above. However, again I suspect that Luna was Chrysalis/Cadance, going through with her plan as she planned it. There's no way she could've slept through the whole day, unless she's nocturnal, which I somehow doubt, as we've seen her awake during the day (The Crystal Empire arc, episode 1) So what could this mean, I wonder?

 

As for the third question, right now my suspicions about Luna have been raised to an all-time high. How is it that she just happened to come down for the wedding reception, when she could've come down earlier to assist Celestia in taking down Chrysalis? The answer is simple: after her plan to be defeated succeeded, Luna now had the dirt she needed to stage her next offensive. She could defeat her sister, the Canterlot Guard, the Mane 6 (EoH) and Shining Armor's shield magic, and she learned all this without revealing herself! Her alternate identity as Chrysalis exists for a reason: to save Luna's face should she ever come under scrutiny. All she has to do is absolve herself by providing proof, and voila! Instant mulligan, all is well, good day sir, this topic is over! (not)

 

The fourth question is a good one indeed: why attack Canterlot, when Ponyville is a much more vulnerable target? The answer's pretty obvious when you think about it: Celestia. As Antony C mentioned in his video, Luna's invasion of Canterlot was a simple recon mission that wasn't a recon mission. She had to find out if Celestia was weaker than previously, when she and Luna defeated Sombra. With her victory over Celestia in a magic duel, her answer was confirmed; she was more powerful than her sister, and feeding on love would only add to that current tally. Sure, she could attack Ponyville, but there's no targets of value resident there, unlike Canterlot, which is home to the princesses, and the Elements of Harmony. Knowing that, Luna had to complete this mission, and unfortunately, she did.

 

The fifth question takes some thought. Why did Chrysalis lock Celestia in a cocoon? The obvious answer is to transmorph her into a changeling just like the others, however I feel that, maybe before that could happen, Luna would reveal her identity to Celestia, in order to shock and demoralise her, giving her reason to give up and accept becoming a parasite. It's either that, or the cocoon would serve as Celestia's personal prison cell, just to ensure that Luna wouldn't get blindsided in the midst of her next offensive.

 

The sixth question is pretty straightforward. As aforementioned, if Luna and Chrysalis are separate ponies, then perhaps Luna secretly informed Chrysalis about the caves in order to implement them into her invasion plan. Or......Luna knew about them, and decided to implement them into her plan in order to hide the real Cadance away, before eliminating her permanently. The first step in picking apart the Equestrian lineage that follows Celestia.

 

And lastly, is it a coincidence that Chrysalis and Luna can shapeshift like naturals? I think not! It only adds fuel to the fire that Chrysalis is Luna and she attempted to take out one of the Equestrian lineage while increasing her already large reserves of magical power. As aforementioned, using the disguise of Chrysalis enabled Luna to distract scrutiny from her, allowing her to continue to devise increasingly nefarious plots completely unnoticed.

 

What do you guys think?

Edited September 21, 2013 by Firebolt Blitz

[Dark Horn 430]

@The Chrysalis = Luna DIscussion:

 

This is purely brilliant and it makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, despite the idea's awesomeness, somehow I doubt it's going to become canon. But hey, you never know...

[Wardaddy 470]

@The Chrysalis = Luna DIscussion:

 

This is purely brilliant and it makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, despite the idea's awesomeness, somehow I doubt it's going to become canon. But hey, you never know...

You can thank Bronycurious and Antony C for thinking up that theory, as shown in this link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao9teQKuEo8 I'm just elaborating on the idea, and waiting to see how it turns out. While it mightn't happen, there's still a mighty good chance, due to the logic of this entire idea.

[Scootadress 361]

It could be that as well. But the problem here, is that while we have so much material and headcanon to chew on for the remainder of the wait for Season 4, none of it is official. But isn't that what makes waiting so great? While the human brain tends to overanalyse things, it brings with it a short-lived, but still glorious feeling of joy and self-sureness that you may be onto something, until its eventual disproving by another person. Still, without confirmation, it gets my head in a big f*cking twist. What is right here? What is wrong? Is Nightmare Moon returning or not!

Ok everypony, lets bring this discussion back a bit and discuss the possibility of Luna being Chrysalis. It does seem to make sense. Where was Luna when Canterlot was being attacked? Where was Luna when Twilight suspected that "Cadance" was the impostor? And why is it that Luna just happened to have showed up at the end of the episode? And to further elaborate, why attack just Canterlot, when strategically Ponyville was a more ample target? What did Chrysalis plan to do when she locked Celestia in a cocoon? Why is it that nopony else but Chrysalis knew about the Canterlot Caves? (unless Luna and Chrysalis are actually separate, and Luna secretly informed Chrysalis of the caves under Nightmare Moon's influence) And is it a coincidence that Chrysalis can shapeshift as expertly as Luna can?

 

To answer the first question, there are several possibilities, two of which are the most prominent. They include Luna either sleeping, or playing video games (Gamer Luna reference *wink wink*). IMO, Luna could've been away, preparing her Children of the Night (the changeling army) to invade Canterlot, while keeping a straight face in front of her sister as well as everypony else.

 

To answer the second question, the most prominent answers are very much the same as above. However, again I suspect that Luna was Chrysalis/Cadance, going through with her plan as she planned it. There's no way she could've slept through the whole day, unless she's nocturnal, which I somehow doubt, as we've seen her awake during the day (The Crystal Empire arc, episode 1) So what could this mean, I wonder?

 

As for the third question, right now my suspicions about Luna have been raised to an all-time high. How is it that she just happened to come down for the wedding reception, when she could've come down earlier to assist Celestia in taking down Chrysalis? The answer is simple: after her plan to be defeated succeeded, Luna now had the dirt she needed to stage her next offensive. She could defeat her sister, the Canterlot Guard, the Mane 6 (EoH) and Shining Armor's shield magic, and she learned all this without revealing herself! Her alternate identity as Chrysalis exists for a reason: to save Luna's face should she ever come under scrutiny. All she has to do is absolve herself by providing proof, and voila! Instant mulligan, all is well, good day sir, this topic is over! (not)

 

The fourth question is a good one indeed: why attack Canterlot, when Ponyville is a much more vulnerable target? The answer's pretty obvious when you think about it: Celestia. As Antony C mentioned in his video, Luna's invasion of Canterlot was a simple recon mission that wasn't a recon mission. She had to find out if Celestia was weaker than previously, when she and Luna defeated Sombra. With her victory over Celestia in a magic duel, her answer was confirmed; she was more powerful than her sister, and feeding on love would only add to that current tally. Sure, she could attack Ponyville, but there's no targets of value resident there, unlike Canterlot, which is home to the princesses, and the Elements of Harmony. Knowing that, Luna had to complete this mission, and unfortunately, she did.

 

The fifth question takes some thought. Why did Chrysalis lock Celestia in a cocoon? The obvious answer is to transmorph her into a changeling just like the others, however I feel that, maybe before that could happen, Luna would reveal her identity to Celestia, in order to shock and demoralise her, giving her reason to give up and accept becoming a parasite. It's either that, or the cocoon would serve as Celestia's personal prison cell, just to ensure that Luna wouldn't get blindsided in the midst of her next offensive.

 

The sixth question is pretty straightforward. As aforementioned, if Luna and Chrysalis are separate ponies, then perhaps Luna secretly informed Chrysalis about the caves in order to implement them into her invasion plan. Or......Luna knew about them, and decided to implement them into her plan in order to hide the real Cadance away, before eliminating her permanently. The first step in picking apart the Equestrian lineage that follows Celestia.

 

And lastly, is it a coincidence that Chrysalis and Luna can shapeshift like naturals? I think not! It only adds fuel to the fire that Chrysalis is Luna and she attempted to take out one of the Equestrian lineage while increasing her already large reserves of magical power. As aforementioned, using the disguise of Chrysalis enabled Luna to distract scrutiny from her, allowing her to continue to devise increasingly nefarious plots completely unnoticed.

 

What do you guys think?

Maybe I'm trying to add fuel to the fire:

 

What if Cadence was in on this too? Twilight broke the walls down and easily freed her. Cadence was in the castle for years, as demonstrated by Twilight herself. How wouldn't she know about the caves, something she would excel at? (She _is_ the crystal Princess. She knows all about these Crystal structures and sort.) Maybe they were in on it, to be Princesses of Equestria, both taking credit and love they earned. 

 

Where was Luna at the wedding in general? This is a Princess wedding, everypony was there. Why wasn't a princess, none-the-less one towards her own "niece", be accounted for? There wasn't a reason for her to /be/ sleeping. She wasn't for the other times, why now?  Well, it makes sense if she was evil.

 

*She wasn't well liked at her own holiday, she was feared. Perhaps she was upset over this disloyalty? 

*She wasn't shown anywhere else before Luna Eclipsed OR the end of the Season 2. 

*She was barely shown anywhere else either. Even in Season 3, she was mostly gone, only having a minor part in a few things like Sleepless in Ponyville and Equestria Girls. Minus Sleepless in Ponyville, she never spoke. 

*When she did appear, she seemed mad at Twilight, distrustful even. <---- Key aspect. 

 

Maybe she was jealous of Celestia AND Twilight?

 

If Luna truly wasn't Chyrsalis, she never would have needed to head to Canterlot because even if she wasn't Luna, what would she accomplish alone? She never thought she was stronger then Celestia! Plus, why would she expose herself already if she wanted to siege Canterlot?

 

Luna wouldn't need to take over Canterlot to begin with. She made it so that they knew of the Changelings earlier (under a different threat)  and then, with controlling the fiance, she could easily render the shield useless, but she didn't want to so she could show off the Children and see what Celestia would have done. When the shield breaks and hell rules lose, she didn't need to continue much after that. She needed to see what she was contending with. "Losing" was her actual plan. Knowing that Cadence was on her side AND knowingly figured out what she contended with from Celestia, all she would have to do is figure out her strategy against Twilight. That's where this comes in:

 

The book Luna carries.

 

Luna tricked Celestia into making the book her challenge to really test Twilight's abilities. It worked like it was planned. 

 

It all points down to Luna. It makes much more sense.

 

Chrysalis needs to feed her army, but Canterlot doesn't seem all that accepting. You wouldn't find much there then Ponyville, a place where you could live simply of residue of love!