This grinds my gears

[SilverStarApple 849]

The one which annoys me most is when people try telling you they are dyslexic or something...when in fact they're just stupid.

THIS. THIS THIS THIS THIS THIIIIIIS. ALL OF THE THIS. I am usually more eloquent, but no word would properly surmise how I feel about this subject, other than "THIIIIIIS!"

[Wind Chaser 4,767]

I once met a kid who just would not stop talking and started putting me on the spot because I was a Hispanic who understood little Spanish. My mother told me "he might have some kind of problem" (referring to a social disorder) while my father (who was with me) insisted he was just "stupid" or "nuts". Seeing it firsthand, I agreed more with my father. Ironically, other times my mother will not be so quick to that argument.

 

I myself have been diagnosed with Asperger's, but my parents have taught me not to use it as a crutch. I do not exhibit many traits of it and sometimes even doubt I have it. I've learned enough that I don't tell my professors about it or use it as an excuse for all of my problems anymore. In fact, the diagnosis has probably caused me more problems with administration that it has in practice. The only services I take advantage of are extra counseling sessions for academic advisement and extended time or separate location on certain tests because I focus harder on each question individually and cannot concentrate in crowded conditions, things that should be associated with the disorder.

 

In my parents' time, you just were who you were. Nowadays, they label you and try to medicate you to bring you up to standards, and some people have embraced this system too much.

[SasQ 1,355]

Nice observation, @@♞RedLotus♞. I agree with you. There was recently a thread about Asperger's syndrome where I wrote my own thoughts at this subject, a bit similar to yours, so you may want to check them out. See my posts in this thread, starting from this one.

 

@@Treble Bolt, nice analysis of the mechanism, too. I see you understand the big pharma stuff very well. Good for you.

Edited February 28, 2014 by SasQ

[AnonBrony 1,467]

This annoys the hell out of me. Especially with Introverts. There are many disorders like autism and Aspergers that cause thing like introversion and anti-social stuff. But There are people who when they read about these things and go "Oh I'm not very social I must have *insert disorder here*" Most of the time you don't! Especially if you are shy or anti-social. You are just introverted and that's just a personality. One-third of the world has some from of introversion and if it's that common I'm pretty sure it aint a disorder.

 

A lot of times people assume OTHERS have these disorders just because they may act a certain way. I've seen plenty of *Insert pony* has *insert disorder* before but they don't. Especially with Twilight a Fluttershy just because they are less social than others. It just really grinds my gears as well when people assume things like that.

[Treble Bolt 1,122]

@@Treble Bolt, nice analysis of the mechanism, too. I see you understand the big pharma stuff very well. Good for you.

 

I feel like I got a bit carried away though, because through my typing, I got angrier because this subject does grind my gears a heck of a lot. I just hope it was easy enough to understand because it's hard to make such a complex subject simpler because there are too many statistics and too much to say, and I don't want to really jump on the bandwagon or else I'd never stop typing.

 

 

 

I've been diagnosed with autism, the second tier below Aspergers before the DSM V was came out (seriously, they told me I probably will never be able to live on my own). It's silly because I have utterly no symptoms that were congruent. I have also been diagnosed with ADHD, but I'm a very active person, and I went through my school years with a 4.0 (so where's the attention problem?). Bi-polar disorder, Mood Disorder NOS, Anxiety, PTSD, Reactive Attachment Disorder, Dissociate Identity Disorder, and that's all I can remember offhand. Only the Anxiety and PTSD I see being true because of my wretched past, but the rest is just a load of garbage....

There are two reasons why I am not the best social person out there.

1. What are they talking about. I can hold my own just fine working at as the only employee of the grocery store? I don't talk to someone who I know won't care about what I have to say, and what they have to say, I don't care about.  Perfect examples include; anything political, religious, the latest TV show, Movies, Sports, Media in general, technology, and other frivolous things that I don't partake in nor care about. I am a deviant of the social norm.

2. I have a harsh past. Abuse does a LOT of bad things to the development of children.  Yes, there are symptoms caused by abuse that have similarities across the spectrum of disorders, but that doesn't mean there's a mental problem. The human brain does AMAZING things the help compensate for problems that the brain may have. I don't make eye contact, why? Because for 10 years of my life, I've been beaten for looking at my own parents. Once I come trust you, I will look at you just fine. I have emotional 'triggers' that can really make me depressed, but it becomes understandable when upon going through what I've gone through, I have to live with the memories all my life. I have to create mental barriers to function normally, not medication. Yes there are constant side effects I will have to deal with all my life, such as constant nightmares, sudden rushes of bad memories that just kill my day, instantly reliving parts of my past if I try to relax. That is not Bi-Polar, even if others cannot understand. There is a REASON for my emotional swaying, not a mental imbalance that needs medication. I thought I had Reactive Attachment Disorder for a long time, but I went through 12 foster homes from 10-18, how can I become close to anyone when I knew I was going to leave? Today though, I do not believe it to be true. I am very close, if not clingy towards my husband. I worry about him every morning when he has to drive through all kinds of weather to work every 3am. I am a worrywart over him, but I've lost everything I ever held dear, and I am terrified of losing him.  I don't know, it's just hard to explain how mad this subject makes me, because it's had such a impact upon my foster care life.

Edited February 28, 2014 by Treble Bolt

[Tigerpop198 696]

You know what's the worst, when people act sad, and miserable all of the time, it's like they are trying to make you sad and miserable also.

[Gourgeist 262]

You know what really grinds my gear? This damn thing 

[Argumedies 1,748]

Well here's a topic I can speak from personal experience. Because I was labeled with most of these titles at one point in history.

 

I can remember from about the time I was 3 or 4 years old until I was about 13 the vast amount of doctors and specialist that I was dragged to for reasons I didn't know back then.

 

They put me on so many drugs I shoud have carried a pharmacist licence (I'm not kidding)

 

They put me through the whole freaking special school thing till I was in ninth grade

 

I didn't find out until much later in life that I had been labeled with most of all these things that everyone has mentioned so far... and you know what?

 

Its all freaking Bull $#!t.

 

I grew up just fine, not a damn thing wrong with me except a mild obsession with a children TV show but let's not not pick

 

Once I got their crap out of my life, things turned out pretty freaking good

 

I also lived with a hypochondriac who thought they had everything under Celestia's butt wrong with them for a while and all the doctors did was to keep feeding them with all the anxiety and worry so they could use them as a lab rat on the latest drug (and people wonder why I hate doctors)

 

Its all in your dammed head unless your sprouting extra appendages or a mutie bug crawling inside ya.

 

Im telling ya straight, but its up to you to get past the damn titles... unless you like being a lab rat.

Edited February 28, 2014 by Argumedies

[SasQ 1,355]

 

 

I just hope it was easy enough to understand because it's hard to make such a complex subject simpler because there are too many statistics and too much to say, and I don't want to really jump on the bandwagon or else I'd never stop typing.

 

Yeah, I know how you feel. I can only say that if something seems overly complex, it's probably a smoke screen to hide the simple truth. Nature is all about truth, and truth is always simple. It's the lie which needs sophistication.

 

 

 

I've been diagnosed with autism, the second tier below Aspergers before the DSM V was came out (seriously, they told me I probably will never be able to live on my own).

 

Yeah, sounds strangely familiar. They told the same to Jake Barnett. More in this press article:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/schools-put-genius-child-in-special-ed-tell-mom-he-cant-learn-now-free-and-hes-on-track-to-win-a-nobel-prize/

"They said he would never learn, now he’ll teach them a thing or two…" ;-J

 

@@AnonBrony, about introversion, shyness, anti-social-ness etc. stuff: This is not any sort of "brain damage" or anything for life. It's an effect of learning the environment. And it's all reversible. See this post

[Fluttershyfan94 5,738]

Introvert or extrovert, has nothing to do with this. What I've noticed is that people have begun doing a lot of self analyzing. There are some people that don't really deal with problems they think they're dealing with. I guess it's just because of society, we constantly try to analyze people so you can put them in a certain category.

[Taviscratch 453]

That's...genuinely terrible of you to say.

 

I'm not saying that there aren't people out there who use those excuses, but I don't think anyone should presume the right to know whether someone is "faking it".

 

As someone who actually has OCD and can tell you first hand it isn't something that's easily booted, I can also tell you I'm sick of people of people telling me "to just get over it".

I'm not at all sure what you took offense to in my statement: I CAN presume when someone is "faking it" because it's a self diagnosis rather than one from a doctor or a psychiatrist, I didn't mention anything at all OCD so I'm not sure why this was brought up, and I never told anyone to just "get over" any GENUINE diagnosed issues they may have.

 

So please, what exactly in my statement offended you?

[Orablanco Account 3,706]

I'm not at all sure what you took offense to in my statement: I CAN presume when someone is "faking it" because it's a self diagnosis rather than one from a doctor or a psychiatrist, I didn't mention anything at all OCD so I'm not sure why this was brought up, and I never told anyone to just "get over" any GENUINE diagnosed issues they may have.

 

So please, what exactly in my statement offended you?

I've known a few dyslexic people. And none of them would be classified as stupid in my book. Edited March 1, 2014 by CITRUS KING46

[IHasTwi 31]

It seems that nowadays people will try to find some way for an excuse to their problems, even if it is an unethical doing. Using an actual disease/disorder that many people are diagnosed with to get away with things is just...why? Why would you do that?! 

 

Also adding on, while there are people covering up their acts by saying they have a disease, there are also those who use in  "slang" -sense, if that even make sense. You see people use words like "retarded" or "bipolar" to express a greater meaning to what they say. Now, I'm not saying any of those things is actually good or bad, I'm pointing out that this is very prevalent in today's society.

Edited March 1, 2014 by IHasTwi

[Clover Heart 978]

People who don't freaking listen.

 

I was at the electronics store today. I needed writable DVD's for my Let's Plays. I've only ever used one kind of DVD, because I haven't been doing this for very long. I went to the store and I got 2 stacks of 50. Now, my computer's a bit touchy with the data, transferring, converting, everything. It worked with this one DVD and being that I assume all DVD-R's are basically the same, I figured the ones I was buying would probably work as well. However, knowing that my computer's touchy and all, I figure I'd just ask how many days I had to return it on the off-chance that they wouldn't work.

 

I was about to ask "I'm not sure if these are going to work so how many days do I have to return them if I want?" I got out "I'm not sure if these are going to work s-" "Well, what are you going to be recording? Programs? It should work if you're just recording programs."

 

I ended up talking to two different representatives about nothing that I gave a shit over. FINALLY when I was able to ask "How many days do I have to return them," the guy didn't even answer my question. He wasn't even listening to my question. At that point, I was just sick of being there and asking, so I left, unanswered, and hoped that my DVDs would work. If not, I guess I'm just gonna be stuck with 100 DVD-R's that I can't use and out 20 bucks.

 

Had I known it was going to be such a fucking huge ordeal, I wouldn't have even prefixed it with the explanation of the situation. I would just have asked how many days to return them. However, I thought the guy would at least have given me the chance to ask my whole question. Guess fucking not. 

Edited March 1, 2014 by Clover Heart

[Revy ~ Two Hands 862]

The one that grinds my gears is when someone that is on the aspergers spectrum behaves badly and blames the apsergers, where there is someone with exactly the same problem who behaves well sitting like 6 feet across from them.

 

People get diagnosed a lot more then they used to 20 years ago, I think it's fishy.

Edited March 1, 2014 by Gamer Twilight

[Sunbro 4 Lyfe 938]

Good for you. I hope your gears stop grinding soon.

[Argumedies 1,748]

It seems that nowadays people will try to find some way for an excuse to their problems, even if it is an unethical doing. Using an actual disease/disorder that many people are diagnosed with to get away with things is just...why? Why would you do that?!

 

Also adding on, while there are people covering up their acts by saying they have a disease, there are also those who use in "slang" -sense, if that even make sense. You see people use words like "retarded" or "bipolar" to express a greater meaning to what they say. Now, I'm not saying any of those things is actually good or bad, I'm pointing out that this is very prevalent in today's society.

The one that grinds my gears is when someone one that has aspergers spectrum behaves badly and blames the apsergers, where there is someone with exactly the same problem who behaves well sitting like 6 feet across from them.

 

People get diagnosed a lot more then they used to 20 years ago, I think it's fishy.

My biggest gripe is in those who use this (and other things) as an excuse or a crutch to explain why they do the things they do, especially when they know that deep down its just that and couldn't care less.

 

The problem is that most (not all) who claim to have these things, don't and those who really do, refuse to fight it.

 

People have more control over their lives then most are willing to acknowledge. Its the easy road to give into the phycologists and the social anxiety bull.

 

Life is hard but not impossible but the choices are ultimately up to you

[Orablanco Account 3,706]

The one that grinds my gears is when someone one that has aspergers spectrum behaves badly and blames the apsergers, where there is someone with exactly the same problem who behaves well sitting like 6 feet across from them.

 

People get diagnosed a lot more then they used to 20 years ago, I think it's fishy.

Aspergers varies from person to person. There is not one set temperament that people with aspergers has. That goes for ever mental disorder; you can't expect every person who suffers from them to act the same way. If you do that, you're gonna have a bad time. Edited March 1, 2014 by CITRUS KING46

[Taviscratch 453]

I've known a few dyslexic people. And none of them would be classified as stupid in my book.

...Exactly my point. Dyslexia doesn't equal stupidity but some stupid people claim they have dyslexia as an excuse. There is a huge difference between being diagnosed dyslexic and being illiterate. I believe you are agreeing with me but somehow trying to turn this into an argument -_-

[Clover Heart 978]

 

People get diagnosed a lot more then they used to 20 years ago, I think it's fishy.

 

I agree. I think that part of it is true. If you get more exposure and awareness about a condition, obviously, it will be diagnosed more frequently. However, I think this is the same kind of thing as ADD/ADHD was 10-20 years ago. The person has symptoms X, Y and Z. Must be flavor-of-the-month medical condition. Let's drug them up!

 

Part of the problem is the money that's in medicine. Doctors get money for prescribing drugs, so it motivates them to do so when it may be unnecessary. Second is trying to label every problem and chalk it up to a bigger problem. If I came into the doctor's office and said I felt sad lately and nothing else, the doctor may think I have depression and try to put me on anti-depressants. What the doctor doesn't know is that I just lost a loved one last week. Now, that's a ridiculous story and that most likely wouldn't happen, but this does happen with other things. I admit that diagnosis is probably a difficult thing. The patient tells you 50 things and only half of them are important or pertinent to their problem. I get that weeding out those things might be difficult. However, you don't just slap a label on something as fast as you possibly can for the sake of doing it fast and call it done. I think that part of the problem is a lack of care by the doctors. There are a lot of problems with this, but you're right, it's probably over-diagnosed.

 

And don't get me wrong. Anyone reading this, I'm not saying that conditions such as autism or ADHD don't exist or that every diagnosis is wrong. I have a cousin who's autistic. I realize that these are real conditions. I just think that doctors are too quick to label something that might not even be anything and that some diagnoses out there probably are wrong.

 

The one that grinds my gears is when someone one that has aspergers spectrum behaves badly and blames the apsergers, where there is someone with exactly the same problem who behaves well sitting like 6 feet across from them.

 

 

In general, I hate when people use their disabilities or conditions as a crutch. I get that someone with some sort of condition is afforded special treatment and I don't have a problem with it. It's when they use it to their advantage that it bothers me. I used to have this one friend. Supposedly, she had ADD. I don't really know how much of that is true. She could be really focused on something if she wanted to. She just completely would flake on whatever didn't interest her. She would constantly forget to bring to school or even do homework, and then use the excuse "I forgot to take my pills." I know that ADD can make you lose focus, but seriously? You forget to do something that you have to do every single day? I don't know that much about it, so that may be the case, but we were in junior high and high school at the time. She should have tried to figure out a way so that she'd be able to remember. If this is something you have to live with for a long time, you figure out how to deal with it. You don't just let it run its course and then go, "Whoops, sorry, ADD." I'd allow this excuse to someone with ADD more than someone without, but that's only on occasion. If I knew they were doing the work usually and genuinely trying, I'd be sympathetic if they were having an off day with their ADD. However, when it turns into every day, when you're turning in one of every 3 assignments, when you're using it in response to every time you fuck up, it turns into an excuse. And I know that some people do have bad cases of it to where they really can't focus and they probably do have some of these problems. She wasn't like that. She wasn't a total space case. She just didn't wanna do her work.

 

Just as a disclaimer, please let me say that I'm not an expert on ADD. I don't know the situation completely. I'm not trying to be down on people with ADD. So I may be falling into some stereotypes I'm unaware of and if that's the case, I apologize. I recognize that ADD is probably a difficult thing to cope with. I just don't think my friend really had it and even if she did, she definitely played it as a card more than should be acceptable.

[Orablanco Account 3,706]

...Exactly my point. Dyslexia doesn't equal stupidity but some stupid people claim they have dyslexia as an excuse. There is a huge difference between being diagnosed dyslexic and being illiterate. I believe you are agreeing with me but somehow trying to turn this into an argument -_-

Sorry, the way that was worded made it sound like you were horrible. My bad : P

 

But to frank, there are a couple of posts in here that seem intolerant.

[Stellafera 3,835]

In general, I hate when people use their disabilities or conditions as a crutch. I get that someone with some sort of condition is afforded special treatment and I don't have a problem with it. It's when they use it to their advantage that it bothers me. I used to have this one friend. Supposedly, she had ADD. I don't really know how much of that is true. She could be really focused on something if she wanted to. She just completely would flake on whatever didn't interest her. She would constantly forget to bring to school or even do homework, and then use the excuse "I forgot to take my pills." I know that ADD can make you lose focus, but seriously? You forget to do something that you have to do every single day? I don't know that much about it, so that may be the case, but we were in junior high and high school at the time. She should have tried to figure out a way so that she'd be able to remember. If this is something you have to live with for a long time, you figure out how to deal with it. You don't just let it run its course and then go, "Whoops, sorry, ADD." I'd allow this excuse to someone with ADD more than someone without, but that's only on occasion. If I knew they were doing the work usually and genuinely trying, I'd be sympathetic if they were having an off day with their ADD. However, when it turns into every day, when you're turning in one of every 3 assignments, when you're using it in response to every time you fuck up, it turns into an excuse. And I know that some people do have bad cases of it to where they really can't focus and they probably do have some of these problems. She wasn't like that. She wasn't a total space case. She just didn't wanna do her work.

 

Just as a disclaimer, please let me say that I'm not an expert on ADD. I don't know the situation completely. I'm not trying to be down on people with ADD. So I may be falling into some stereotypes I'm unaware of and if that's the case, I apologize. I recognize that ADD is probably a difficult thing to cope with. I just don't think my friend really had it and even if she did, she definitely played it as a card more than should be acceptable.

 

While I'm not educated in psychiatry, I do have ADD myself, so I'll weigh in on this. 

 

Really, it's odd to me too that somebody who knows they have problems with ADD would forget to take their medication so frequently. I take mine at breakfast while I'm sitting with my family, so if I think I might have forgotten to take them, I double check with the witnesses. It's not a mistake I could make weekly.

 

If I realize halfway through the day that I forgot, I sigh and make sure I get my work done however I can. Everything takes longer and comes out stupider. I will realize I've spent an hour doing a math problem and a half because I was actually just sort of staring at my paper and vaguely thinking there was something important about this. I usually have to catch up on actually comprehending it the next day.

 

But I turn it in, because the ADD is my problem, not the teacher's. It's like how even if you're having a terrible day, you don't have the right to act rude to people. I agree with your assessment, Clover Heart. You have to recognize your limitations and put in a reasonable effort to handle them. That's responsibility.

[Revy ~ Two Hands 862]

Sorry, the way that was worded made it sound like you were horrible. My bad : P

But to frank, there are a couple of posts in here that seem intolerant.

My sister has both dyslexia and dyspraxia, my friends father has bipolar II. This is why people who use there Aspergers etc as a crutch when others do not grinds my gears. Edited March 1, 2014 by Gamer Twilight