Are Bronies also Furries?

[Banul 3,831]

Furries on the other hand, tend to lean towards bestiality,\

 

On what information are you basing that claim?

[GONEFOREVER 518]

On what information are you basing that claim?

 

I don't know about you, but I've run across some pretty f*cked up furry related stuff on the internet. I'm not saying that ALL furries tend to lead towards bestiality, but definitely a good portion.

[Fhaolan 4,483]

The word 'anthropomorphic' means 'human shape'.  I don't see how that definition can extend to non-physical characteristics.

It extends to human cultures and behaviors, and has done so since Victorian times as that's when the term seems to have changed from meaning 'gods in human form' to 'animals/objects behaving as humans'. Prior to that animals having human behavior in fables, legends, and stories didn't rate having a term because nobody thought it needed one.

 

A lot of terms changed meaning thanks to the Victorians. It was a very tumultuous time, language-wise.

[zombienixon 330]

MLP fans generally are just fans of the show. Furries on the other hand, tend to lean towards bestiality, to the point at which it stops being a hobby and starts to get creepy (e.g, furry R34, fursuiting, etc.). 

 

You are aware of the sizable number of MLP fans who want to bone cartoon horses?  From my experience, they just like antro, and aren't into bestiality.

[Banul 3,831]

I don't know about you, but I've run across some pretty f*cked up furry related stuff on the internet. I'm not saying that ALL furries tend to lead towards bestiality, but definitely a good portion.

Why does "some" fucked up shit constitute "a good portion" of furries?

 

From what I've seen within the actual fandom, most furries frown upon beastiality. Building on what the guy above me said, the only NSFW furry stuff I've seen has been anthro, not beastiality. I aught to know, I've seen a TON of furry porn.

[Samurai Equine 51,437]

You know, my uncle had a dog once. He taught him to howl in a way that kind of sounds like "I love you". In fact, he taught that dog how to do a lot of things that appear similar to human behavior.

Guess that makes my uncle's dog an anthropomorph.

[Plageius 263]

Furries are usually associated with something negative; like the kind of furries that want to wear the fur suits all the time or the ones that want to engage in sexual acts while wearing the fur suits. That's doesn't mean that ALL furries are like that, but it can be hard to discern who's who in the furry community.

 

If there is a MLP convention that is banning furries, it's because they want to keep it from getting out of control in that way. They only want to open their doors to regular fans with a little more self control.

Actually I really don't wanna derail this into a NSFW convo thread but I have a furry friend and both of us agree that compared to bronies, a FAR higher percentage of furries are into the sexual side of the fandom.

[Banul 3,831]

You know, my uncle had a dog once. He taught him to howl in a way that kind of sounds like "I love you". In fact, he taught that dog how to do a lot of things that appear similar to human behavior.

Guess that makes my uncle's dog an anthropomorph.

 

If you honestly can't see the difference between a cartoon animal acting the way that a human would and your uncle teaching his dog how to howl in a way that resembles speech, I dont even know what to say.

[Samurai Equine 51,437]

If you honestly can't see the difference between a cartoon animal acting the way that a human would and your uncle teaching his dog how to howl in a way that resembles speech, I dont even know what to say.

 

*Gives you a sarcasm detector* It's dangerous to go alone! Take this. 

[Hidey 2,836]

I don't know about you, but I've run across some pretty f*cked up furry related stuff on the internet. I'm not saying that ALL furries tend to lead towards bestiality, but definitely a good portion.

 

That implies bestiality is fucked up/wrong. Not everyone is going to agree that it is.  

[Sudo Krenton 243]

You are aware of the sizable number of MLP fans who want to bone cartoon horses?  From my experience, they just like antro, and aren't into bestiality.

 

Yes, let's not forget the remarkable similarities with the MLP fandom and the furries, both have their good side with nice drawings and stuff, and then they have their "eh" side. I noticed that some people were mainly talking about the negative aspects of furries, mainly concerning sexual behavior, but you're "calling the kettle black" right there.

 

Also, coming directly from my dictionary... a picture of the definition. Not necessarily "human in form" more like, just "human in attributes." 

 

Logically, I believe that the MLP fandom is a subset of the furry community.

 

MLP

-The show features talking horses

-The show features horses with, what appears to be, reasoning and a conscience

-The horses can hold things and type with their hooves 

-The horses on some occasions morph in to human form, or a hybrid(e.g. EQG)

 

Furry

-The animals can talk

-The animals usually have reasoning and a conscience

-The animals can hold things

-The animals may act more human than in real life(e.g. dog standing on two legs instead of four)

 

So, there... you've got similarities. The only major difference I see between MLP and furries is that the MLP fandom takes on a "cartoon" appearance, whilst furries take a more natural look (furries still have some cartoon stuff too, and MLP has more "natural looking" stuff, but that resides in fan art mostly).

Edited January 18, 2015 by Krenton the Musician

[Sceethe 704]

That's not the definition I know.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropomorphism

 

One search on Bing and I came up with five different sites with the same definition.

 

It's more than just anatomy. It applies to behaviors as well. For all intents and purposes the ponies are human except for the fact that they aren't physically so.

 

I don't know where you got the idea that it applies only to animals and only as anatomy.

Yes, that´s true, i guess.

I did google search it after i wrote it, and it seems that my definition seems to be wrong.

 

I find it kind of funny that something that literally means "human FORM" is NOT defined as exactly that.

 

But as i said, it´s okay. Everyone seems to be using my definition anyways.

I go on the "anthro" tab on Deviantart, and i haven´t seen any actual animals on there.

I get foxes, wolves and other creatures that walk on two legs.("human FORM")

 

 

I google "anthro ponies" , and i don´t get pictures of ponies that just have human personalities.

I get ponies that walk on ... two legs,what a surprise.

 

The official definition might say something different, but that´s literally killing the meaning of the word.

That´s like calling a cow a reptilian, just because someone wrote that on wikipedia as the definition, because they could.

 

I hope you see what i am trying to say.

 

EDIT: also, sorry if it seemed like i was just referring to animals.

I know that it can apply to inanimate objects, as well.

Edited January 18, 2015 by Sceethe

[Sudo Krenton 243]

I understand what you mean.

Daily reminder that MLP the show has anthropomorphic material.... lul jk

But seriously, she comes into the pony world trying to act human when she returns... and then remembers she doesn't have a human body.

Edited January 18, 2015 by Krenton the Musician

[Discordian 6,015]

Yes, that´s true, i guess.

I did google search it after i wrote it, and it seems that my definition seems to be wrong.

 

I find it kind of funny that something that literally means "human FORM" is NOT defined as exactly that.

 

But as i said, it´s okay. Everyone seems to be using my definition anyways.

I go on the "anthro" tab on Deviantart, and i haven´t seen any actual animals on there.

I get foxes, wolves and other creatures that walk on two legs.("human FORM")

 

 

I google "anthro ponies" , and i don´t get pictures of ponies that just have human personalities.

I get ponies that walk on ... two legs,what a surprise.

 

The official definition might say something different, but that´s literally killing the meaning of the word.

That´s like calling a cow a reptilian, just because someone wrote that on wikipedia as the definition, because they could.

 

I hope you see what i am trying to say.

 

EDIT: also, sorry if it seemed like i was just referring to animals.

I know that it can apply to inanimate objects, as well.

Naw, I get the confusion. For whatever reason there is a subdivision of the furry fandom called "anthro" that's specifically defined as looking mostly human, realistic or otherwise. Feral is the opposite where they talk human, and even think somewhat human, but generally look and act like an actual animal but with a human's thoughts so we can more easily view them as characters rather than just animals.

 

There's also many mixtures of the two. MLP has feral looks but anthro personality and societies but a webcomic I know has characters that are anthro in looks but behave more like animals a lot of the time.

There are also people who can argue that words can mean whatever you want them to mean, thus it's okay to use them however you please. But if we all followed that logic, then we'd devolve into a nonsense language that has no rules, no patterns, and might as well just be a series of random moans and grunts. So even if the meaning of words can change over time, having a little bit of uniformity helps, even if it's just for a brief moment in time. We all live in the moment. 

 

 

...You're doing that on purpose, aren't you?

I don't know what you're referring to.

 

And I agree but there's a difference between making up the meaning of words as you go and a word having a commonly used alternative. Once it's common it becomes accepted as a part of the language as much as anything else. Everyone uses alternative language at some point, sometimes without realizing it, but it's so thoroughly integrated into the language as normal that we don't always notice that we're using the alternative definition more than the original one.

[Samurai Equine 51,437]

Well said, Discordian. You're a regular wordsmith. 

[ponylaces 1,870]

I wouldn't call MLP "anthropomorphic material". I'm a brony, and I've never been into anthropomorphic stuff. I know that there are other bronies out there who aren't into that stuff either. I like the show because of the interesting episodes (and other reasons too), not just because it's about animals.

 

Anyways, it's pretty ridiculous that they would ban furries from the con. But then again, why would a furry be coming to a brony convention? Unless they're a furry and a brony, it doesn't really make sense to me.

[VitalSpark 1,830]

Logically, I believe that the MLP fandom is a subset of the furry community.

I'd say that the key divider though is:

 

Furries like stuff that contains talking animals. Bronies like MLP despite the fact that it contains talking animals.

 

Most fans of My Little Pony weren't looking at loads of talking horse shows and finally found one that that resonated with them. ("Hey, this is much better than Mister Ed!") We didn't go looking for talking horses. We found a show with great writing, great songs, cute, colourful animation, good voice acting, and well thought out characters. They happened to be talking horses, but if they'd been people, or robots, or aliens, then we probably would have liked the show just as much.

Edited January 18, 2015 by Vital Spark

[TubeSock2018 325]

I am not a fan of anthropomorphic animals.

That's what MLP has, but it's not the reason I enjoy it. They could be humans, and I would like the show just the same.

In fact, I enjoyed Equestria Girls and Rainbow Rocks. And even before they grew ears and tails. If anything, I was more preoccupied with "why arent they freaking out?".

So no, not all bronies are a subset of the furry community.

[Nulln 755]

mlp is about anthro ponies.  they're obviously not anthro in body shape, but anthro also means human-like qualities given to a non-human being.  they have houses and jobs and make clothes and use money and blah blah.  the ponies are feral form anthropomorphic animals.  mlp fans are by definition furries, but not all furries are bronies, since you have to like mlp to be a brony.  

 

also, i've seen just as much is not way more nsfw pony art than furry art.  i would think bronies of all people would know not to judge an entire fandom on nsfw art and decide that's what the whole fandom is about.

[Mephala 2,633]

They're practically the definition of anthropomorphism. Giving human characteristics to anything that does not typically have them whether it's a living being or inanimate object.

Does that mean if I watch Thomas the Tank Engine I'm a "furry"? :?

I don't think this definition at all applies in the case of what makes something "furry" because then every little kid watching MLP would be a "furry" as well. Anthropomorphic doesn't necessarily have to equate to the "furry" fandom. In fact, many shows would then be "furry".

Edited January 18, 2015 by Elio

[TubeSock2018 325]

lmlp fans are by definition furries, but not all furries are bronies, since you have to like mlp to be a brony.

But what if some of us don't care about the anthropomorphic aspect of MLP and instead like mlp because of the stories, animation, or voice acting?

Like someone else said, they could be robots and people would like the show just the same.

Bronies are interested in a show that happens to have anthropomorphic animals whereas furry bronies might enjoy the show because it has anthropomorphic animals. There is a big difference.

[Fhaolan 4,483]

Does that mean if I watch Thomas the Tank Engine I'm a "furry"? :?

I don't think this definition at all applies in the case of what makes something "furry" because then every little kid watching MLP would be a "furry" as well. Anthropomorphic doesn't necessarily have to equate to the "furry" fandom. In fact, many shows would then be "furry".

Technically there's a related fandom for anthroporphizing inanimate objects. It includes Thomas the Tank Engine, The Brave Little Toaster, that Pixar lamp, etc. Last time I checked they called themselves 'Animates'. And yes, they also have a subgroup that sexualizes it in the same way Furries have Yiffers and Bronies have Cloppers. It doesn't seem to have gained a special name though.

 

And there's another one for 'personification', where *concepts* are anthroporphized. Things like Uncle Sam, Lady Britannia, Death, Fate, Wikipedia, etc. I heard the term 'Gijinka' attached to that.

[Untitled Goose Q 5,137]

And there's another one for 'personification', where *concepts* are anthroporphized. Things like Uncle Sam, Lady Britannia, Death, Fate, Wikipedia, etc. I heard the term 'Gijinka' attached to that.

Terry Pratchett uses the term Anthropomorphic Personification for those.

[King Sejong 859]

   Furries or Bronies, Star Trek or Star Wars, Lord of the Rings or Dungeon and Dragons, we are all fandoms, and many of them do cross into each other, I believe fans should be left alone to decide how many fandoms they wish to be in, without rules nor hostility, we can have fun in each realm, without the politics. We are divided enough, if you want distinction, start a cult, then you will have the centralised control, that has nearly shattered past fandoms before, for all of these groups have rule 34, whether cloppers or yiffers, we all have not been portrayed by the media or by each other in a red filtered light, Fox news and Alex Jones have chastised bronies, and furries have been slandered in CSI episode Fur and Loathing in Las Vegas, so we all have soiled by someone, but rather than pass blame or assign titles, our groups should cooperate, and let the fans do as the please, we have no hierarchy nor parliament, leave the fans alone, and just let us have fun. 

[Discordian 6,015]

Does that mean if I watch Thomas the Tank Engine I'm a "furry"? :?

I don't think this definition at all applies in the case of what makes something "furry" because then every little kid watching MLP would be a "furry" as well. Anthropomorphic doesn't necessarily have to equate to the "furry" fandom. In fact, many shows would then be "furry".

Furrydom is an off-shoot of anthropomorphism. Obviously it focuses on anthropomorphic animals. I should think that would be obvious.

 

But yes. A lot of shows qualify for the furry label because they fall under the exact definition of what makes a furry. Road Rovers, Thundercats and even Looney Tunes. These are furry (AKA anthropomorphic animal) characters no matter what anyone tries to tell you.

 

However, much like being a brony one isn't necessarily a furry just because they watch the associated program. You need to acknowledge that you are one to be one.