What bad you guys see in Love and Tolerance?

[碇 シンジン 27,431]

I've watched some topics here and I see people calling Love and Tolerance a troll and some other things which it is not. I don't care if this thing came from 4chan or 69chan, but Love and Tolerance is good thing. I don't know about it being bronies 'theme' or 'motto' that, but I think that everyone should atleast try to Love and Tolerate. There are so much Hate and Ignorance these days that people are going mad, and that needs to stop.

 

I try to follow the path of Love and Tolerance and I try to be kind and understanding to everypony. It's only way to defeat Hate and Ignorance. I see insults and attacks everyday What people do when they face this kind of threat? They attack back or ignore it. I think the best way to deal with them is to show them a little bit of kindness and understanding, if they still continue flaming you shouldn't answer them anymore because you've given the troll something that they don't like.

 

A positive reaction. Trolls and people like that they seek hate they seek negative reactions and comments. So if they want sugar why not to give them salt? I mean you can always ignore their yelling for sugar but I think the best choice is to give them the opposite.

 

I don't see anything bad in Love and Tolerance.

 

 

What kind of image you have gotten from Love and Tolerance? What are your experiences with Love and Tolerance?

[KokuraiNoSenshi 3,463]

Personally... I got nothing wrong with love & tolerance lol. I mean, I could make a huge speech about it but really... What's the harm? We care & get along with everyone? Oooh scary!

[Malinter 3,064]

The idea of love and tolerance is a good one to follow as long as you don't do it blindly and literally like the trolls make it out to be. Only those who are willing to treat you with the same respect you would treat them would fall under this motto in my experiences anyway.  

[Clarity 3,094]

Yeah, love and tolerance are both good qualities—but most unfortunately we see that the majority of bronies don't, in fact, follow the so-called motto, and the phrase has been abused to say that "I'm right, and what you say is shit that's beneath my soles." If you're trying to "give them sugar" when they want "salt," then that's pretty much the exact definition of trolling, isn't it? It's like trying to piss them off by giving a big show of kindness and love. It's hypocritical.

[Pinkamena-Pills 6,839]

I see no issue with "Love & Tolerance".   

As long as its not 'turning a blind eye' per say or a form of stockholm syndrome im fine with it. 

Edited September 22, 2014 by Pinkamena-Pills

[Invincible 2,091]

I offer love and tolerance to those that prospect may actually appeal to. The rest are fair game - tackle with extreme prejudice. Just because i'm willing to listen doesn't mean i'm fodder.

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

The only issue to it is tolerating to a fault, ie being so tolerant that you become intolerant of others (or example, scientologiests do not like pinkie, thus you no longer allow any pinkie pies because you must be super tolerant of scientology).

 

And really, it was never supposed to be this grand over arcing agenda for the fandom anyway, it was a catch phrase thrown out in order to counter troll during the earliest days of the fandom on halfchan.

[Darker 1,351]

The fact that we live in a world mostly populated by humans, is the main and only needed reason to say that "Love" and "tolerance" is not allowed in this planet.

 

We live in war and disharmony. There's not a bit of peace on Earth. Only nature provides such thing.

[I love Jelly Otter 477]

Love & Tolera(nce/te) is like a signature for every brony hen he deals with a troll, a sorta synonym for "get a life" or "fuck off" or "I rest my case" or such, a phrase which automatically makes brony feel like a winner so he won't need to bother further with a troll after all obvious stuff has been said & it's not like any of it would affect either side.

Edited September 22, 2014 by I love Jelly Otter

[Leonard Smix 421]

A lot of people see Love and Tolerance as a failed goal of our fandom, mostly by the Anti-bronies. I can see where they come from, however, they do not understand that it is not our JOB to enforce love and tolerance, it is a decision we make, and we use it when necessary, not around every corner.

[碇 シンジン 27,431]

Yeah, love and tolerance are both good qualities—but most unfortunately we see that the majority of bronies don't, in fact, follow the so-called motto, and the phrase has been abused to say that "I'm right, and what you say is shit that's beneath my soles." If you're trying to "give them sugar" when they want "salt," then that's pretty much the exact definition of trolling, isn't it? It's like trying to piss them off by giving a big show of kindness and love. It's hypocritical.

I don't see it as trolling I see it as improving the nature of mankind. You can call it as you prefer and you made actually pretty good comment.

Love & Tolera(nce/te) is like a signature for every brony hen he deals with a troll, a sorta synonym for "get a life" or "fuck off" or "I rest my case" or such, a phrase which automatically makes brony feel like a winner so he won't need to bother further with a troll after all obvious stuff has been said & it's not like any of it would affect either side.

When I watch those comments on pony videos on youtube. I don't usually see many bronies accepting the trollers opinion about the situation.

 

I don't usually answer to trolls but if I did it would be something like this. "I can see that you stated your opinion here clearly and I respect all people who shared their opinion here but this time I think I have to disagree." I don't post these because people would think that I'm a troll and secondly if the other bronies don't stop their constat attacks on haters its not worth it

[Invincible 2,091]

The thing is not everyone you meet are entitled for the love and tolerance you genuinely wish to extend. I like to believe there's a speck of good in most people, even trolls, but some people are just plain mean-spirited. The whole love and tolerate thing is wasted on those. It saddens me that people like that exist, but there never was such a thing as an idealistically perfect society.

[碇 シンジン 27,431]

The thing is not everyone you meet are entitled for the love and tolerance you genuinely wish to extend. I like to believe there's a speck of good in most people, even trolls, but some people are just plain mean-spirited. The whole love and tolerate thing is wasted on those. It saddens me that people like that exist, but there never was such a thing as an idealistically perfect society.

I agree all people maybe aren't good, but we need to remember that their beliefs or their spiritidness shouldn't make us to treat them differently. It can be hard to give them kindness because you wont maybe ever get the results.

 

But I think that the idea here is to plant a seed of kindness when the hater searches through the comments he gets does he remember those comments which called him gay or those which respected his opinion and treated him with kindness.

 

Well it depends what he was seeking for when he made that statement but sometimes they may wonder why this guy is being so nice. And that is when the seed is planted when you nurture it correctly there will be a great tree with a lots of fruits. But the tree can also die if you don't water it.

[Dattebayo 2,850]

Nice sentiment.

Orgasmically unrealistic.

[碇 シンジン 27,431]

The only issue to it is tolerating to a fault, ie being so tolerant that you become intolerant of others (or example, scientologiests do not like pinkie, thus you no longer allow any pinkie pies because you must be super tolerant of scientology).

 

And really, it was never supposed to be this grand over arcing agenda for the fandom anyway, it was a catch phrase thrown out in order to counter troll during the earliest days of the fandom on halfchan.

I don't think that is the case, because not allowing something is completely ruling it out. So it can't have any impact on the outcome. You remember the breezies episode right? Flutters had to get rid of them, because of their own sake. Was she intolerant towards them? I don't think so. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do. And I don't see that being any less tolerant or super tolerant.

[ThatOneComrade 1,091]

 I guess the only bad thing about love and tolerance is that it's not love and acceptance. Tolerating someone isn't as good as accepting them. 

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

I don't think that is the case, because not allowing something is completely ruling it out. So it can't have any impact on the outcome. You remember the breezies episode right? Flutters had to get rid of them, because of their own sake. Was she intolerant towards them? I don't think so. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do. And I don't see that being any less tolerant or super tolerant.

Take for example the modern social left in the American political sphere. They are so forcefully tolerant with their progressive ways, that they label any who disagree with them with negative insults. Thus, they are so tolerant of one ideology, that they are actually intolerant to others.

[碇 シンジン 27,431]

Take for example the modern social left in the American political sphere. They are so forcefully tolerant with their progressive ways, that they label any who disagree with them with negative insults. Thus, they are so tolerant of one ideology, that they are actually intolerant to others.

I know nothing about anerican politics or spheres so I can't debate about that, but I think that the acceptance is fits better to the way I think it should be and how I try to show others as example. And because love is about acceptance it fits to the phrase.

 

I think if you love someone. You accept them and you cannot be forcefully intolerant against them.

[Soul Flare 403]

The fact that we live in a world mostly populated by humans, is the main and only needed reason to say that "Love" and "tolerance" is not allowed in this planet.

 

We live in war and disharmony. There's not a bit of peace on Earth. Only nature provides such thing.

Which is also an extra reason to follow the "Love and tolerance" lifestyle. 

I too dislike war and disharmony, which is why I fight it by loving and tolerating. I sure as hell wouldn't be making it better if I started hating or being intolerant.

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

I know nothing about anerican politics or spheres so I can't debate about that, but I think that the acceptance is fits better to the way I think it should be and how I try to show others as example. And because love is about acceptance it fits to the phrase.

 

I think if you love someone. You accept them and you cannot be forcefully intolerant against them.

But like all things, you can never love and "accept" all. Because eventually you are going to reach an ideological paradox, and thus risk the collapse of your entire system.

[碇 シンジン 27,431]

But like all things, you can never love and "accept" all. Because eventually you are going to reach an ideological paradox, and thus risk the collapse of your entire system.

Yea, but I don't think I can interact with that many things in my life. And even if it was impossible I can still always try my best.

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

Yea, but I don't think I can interact with that many things in my life. And even if it was impossible I can still always try my best.

You can always try, but I personally would not be holding an ideology that is subject to such a paradox. But I won't fault you for attempting.

[碇 シンジン 27,431]

You can always try, but I personally would not be holding an ideology that is subject to such a paradox. But I won't fault you for attempting.

I'm not perfect I make mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. I am trying to claim that I am perfect. I just do things that I feel are right or try to do things that I feel right. If your try fails that doesn't make the effort you put into it any smaller. I always try to encourage prople to try, because if you don't try you wont succeed.

[Simeon Leonard 119]

I think people sometimes confuse tolerance with blind acceptance. That's not what tolerance is. You may not condone something but you allow it and don't interfere in exchange for the same treatment. That's what tolerance is. Of course, some things are intolerable, but it's important to compromise when we can. I think most of us (myself included) could compromise a lot more than we are.

 

When it comes to love, people say "love thy enemy implies not killing them." Well, kinda. Your enemy is still your enemy, even if you can find it within yourself to love them, which you should try to do. Even if your enemy comes to kill you and you have to strike them down first, you should still try to love them. We're all human. If we can find ways to empathise and see ourselves in others, hopefully it won't come to that. 

 

When it comes to love and tolerance being the mantra of the fandom, I think it's great. Of course we're going to fail to live up to it, it's an ideal, and of course our detractors will point out our failings at every opportunity. The point is that we do the best we can. I know I need to do a lot better. Props to those who are at least trying.  

Edited September 23, 2014 by Simeon Leonard

[NotoriousSMALL 1,984]

Love and Tolerance barely exists in this fandom. Just go on any brony vid and scroll down and look for some hate/troll comments, I can guarantee the majority of replies are anger.