Any Pro-Wrestling Fans Around?

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On 11/27/2018 at 2:34 PM, Denim&Venom said:

I haven't watched an episode of raw since February, and that was the episode with the Gauntlet match that single handedly revived Seth Rollins' career. I don't even know what the last one I watched before that was. Maybe the raw after mania 33? The one where Roman got booed out of the building. 

 

 

Good thing, because the most recent episodes of RAW have been rated some of the worst in RAW history.

Also, there is rumors that Vince McMahon has lost interest in Seth Rollins. (After fans chanted "boring" at Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins' match at TLC, Vince was greatly frustrated and Rollins' push may be done and dusted prematurely.) There are also rumors that he is thinking of Kurt Angle vs Brock Lesnar (squash match) at next year's WrestleMania.

Edited December 22, 2018 by Literatel

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I have a prediction for why RAW is much suckier than usual. Vince wants to raise the stock of Smackdown up for when FOX eventually "takes over" the brand, they are more impressed by it. But why improve the product when you can make RAW (which is bulletproof, and has been on the USA Network for 50+ years, so they can afford to take a hit) suck, which makes people think, "Smackdown is awesome!", when in reality, Smackdown is just meh.

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Chris Jericho want title match:

 

[Denim&Venöm 16,524]

In memory of all those we lost in 2018.

May their legacies live on. 

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New episode of BTE! 

 

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Happy Hearths Warming everypony! I brought you all a present! 

The last NJPW match of 2018, and what a match it is. 

 

[Sparklefan1234 161,896]

@Denim&Venom

 

"What was your favorite wrestling related thing that happened in 2018?"

 

For me, it was the rise of Becky Lynch.  

[Denim&Venöm 16,524]

3 minutes ago, Sparklefan1234 said:

@Denim&Venom

 

"What was your favorite wrestling related thing that happened in 2018?"

 

For me, it was the rise of Becky Lynch.  

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11 hours ago, Sparklefan1234 said:

@Denim&Venom

 

"What was your favorite wrestling related thing that happened in 2018?"

 

For me, it was the rise of Becky Lynch.  

Mine was the return of Daniel Bryan.

[Denim&Venöm 16,524]

So here's something I did in my spare time.

What would some title reigns look like, if every one who held the belt was a one time champion? Who would defeat who and how long would each title reign last?       

For this I bring you, the history of the Intercontinental title, if everyone held the belt only once. 

1. Pat Patterson    September 1, 1979    —    Rio de Janeiro, Brazil    

2. Ken Patera    April 21, 1980    House show    New York, NY    

3. Pedro Morales    December 8, 1980    House show    New York, NY    

4. Don Muraco    June 20, 1981    House show    Philadelphia, PA    

5. Tito Santana    February 11, 1984    House show    Boston, MA    

6. Greg Valentine    September 24, 1984    Maple Leaf Wrestling    London, ON    

7. Randy Savage    February 8, 1986    House show    Boston, MA    

8. Ricky Steamboat    March 29, 1987    WrestleMania III    Pontiac, MI    

9. The Honky Tonk Man    June 2, 1987    Superstars of Wrestling    Buffalo, NY    

10. The Ultimate Warrior    August 29, 1988    SummerSlam    New York, NY        

11. Rick Rude    April 2, 1989    WrestleMania V    Atlantic City, NJ    

12. Mr. Perfect    April 23, 1990    Superstars of Wrestling    Austin, TX    

13. The Texas Tornado    August 27, 1990    SummerSlam    Philadelphia, PA    

14. Bret Hart    August 26, 1991    SummerSlam    New York, NY    

15. The Mountie    January 17, 1992    House show    Springfield, MA    

16. Roddy Piper    January 19, 1992    Royal Rumble    Albany, NY    

17. The British Bulldog    August 29, 1992    SummerSlam    London, England    

18. Shawn Michaels    October 27, 1992    Saturday Night's Main Event    

19. Marty Jannetty       May 17, 1993    Raw    New York, NY    

20. Razor Ramon    September 27, 1993    Raw    New Haven, CT    1    

21. Diesel    April 13, 1994    Superstars    Rochester, NY    

22. Jeff Jarrett    January 22, 1995    Royal Rumble    Tampa, FL    

23. Dean Douglas    October 22, 1995    In Your House 4: Great White North    

24. Goldust     January 21, 1996    Royal Rumble    Fresno, CA    

25. Ahmed Johnson     June 23, 1996    King of the Ring    Milwaukee, WI    

26. Marc Mero    September 23, 1996    Raw    Hershey, PA    

27. Hunter Hearst Helmsley     October 21, 1996    Raw    Fort Wayne, IN    

28. Rocky Maivia    February 13, 1997    Raw    Lowell, MA    

29. Owen Hart    April 28, 1997    Raw    Omaha, NE    

30. Stone Cold Steve Austin August 3, 1997    SummerSlam    East Rutherford, NJ    1

31. Ken Shamrock    October 12, 1998    Raw    Uniondale, NY    

32. Val Venis    February 14, 1999    In Your House: St. Valentine's Day Massacre    

33. Road Dogg    March 15, 1999    Raw    San Jose, CA    

34. The Godfather    April 12, 1999    Raw    Detroit, MI    

35. Edge    July 24, 1999    House show    Toronto, ON    

36. D'Lo Brown    July 27, 1999    Raw    Columbus, OH    

37. Chyna    October 17, 1999    No Mercy    Cleveland, OH    

38. Chris Jericho    December 12, 1999    Armageddon    Sunrise, FL    

39. Kurt Angle    February 27, 2000    No Way Out    Hartford, CT    

40. Chris Benoit    April 2, 2000    WrestleMania 2000    Anaheim, CA        

41. Rikishi    June 20, 2000    SmackDown!    Memphis, TN    

42. Eddie Guerrero     September 4, 2000    Raw    Lexington, KY    

43. Billy Gunn    November 21, 2000    SmackDown!    Sunrise, FL

44. Jeff Hardy    April 10, 2001    SmackDown!    Philadelphia, PA    

45. Kane    May 20, 2001    Judgment Day    Sacramento, CA        

46. Albert    June 26, 2001    SmackDown!    New York, NY    

47. Lance Storm    July 23, 2001    Raw    Buffalo, NY    

48. Christian    September 23, 2001    Unforgiven    Pittsburgh, PA    

49. Test    November 5, 2001    Raw    Uniondale, NY    

50. William Regal    January 20, 2002    Royal Rumble    Atlanta, GA    

51. Rob Van Dam    March 17, 2002     WrestleMania X8    Toronto, ON    

52. Booker T    July 7, 2003    Raw    Montreal, QC    

53. Randy Orton    December 14, 2003    Armageddon    Orlando, FL        

54. Shelton Benjamin    October 19, 2004    Taboo Tuesday    Milwaukee, WI    

55. Carlito    June 20, 2005    Raw    Phoenix, AZ    

56. Ric Flair     September 18, 2005    Unforgiven    Oklahoma City, OK    1

57. Johnny Nitro    June 25, 2006    Vengeance    Charlotte, NC    1

58. Umaga    February 19, 2007    Raw    Bakersfield, CA    

59. Santino Marella     April 16, 2007    Raw    Milan, Italy    

60. Kofi Kingston    June 29, 2008    Night of Champions    Dallas, TX    

61. CM Punk    January 19, 2009    Raw    Rosemont, IL    

62. John "Bradshaw" Layfield    March 9, 2009    Raw    Jacksonville, FL    

63. Rey Mysterio    April 5, 2009    WrestleMania XXV    Houston, TX    

64. Drew McIntyre    December 13, 2009    

65. Dolph Ziggler    July 28, 2010    SmackDown    Laredo, TX    

66. Wade Barrett    March 22, 2011    SmackDown    Columbus, OH    

67. Ezekiel Jackson    June 19, 2011    Capitol Punishment    Washington, D.C.    

68. Cody Rhodes    August 9, 2011    SmackDown    Sacramento, CA    

69. Big Show    April 1, 2012    WrestleMania XXVIII    Miami Gardens, FL    

70. The Miz     July 23, 2012    Raw 1000    St. Louis, MO    

71. Curtis Axel    June 16, 2013    Payback    Rosemont, IL    

72. Big E Langston    November 18, 2013    Raw    Nashville, TN    

73. Luke Harper    November 17, 2014    Raw    Roanoke, VA    

74. Daniel Bryan    March 29, 2015    WrestleMania 31    Santa Clara, CA    

75. Ryback    May 31, 2015    Elimination Chamber    Corpus Christi, TX    

76. Kevin Owens    September 20, 2015    Night of Champions    Houston, TX    

77. Dean Ambrose    December 13, 2015    TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs    Boston, MA    

78. Zack Ryder    April 3, 2016    WrestleMania 32    Arlington, TX    

79. Roman Reigns    November 20, 2017    Raw    Houston, TX    

80. Seth Rollins    April 8, 2018    WrestleMania 34    New Orleans, LA

81. Bobby Lashley    January 14, 2019    Raw    Memphis, TN    

82. Finn Bálor    February 17, 2019    Elimination Chamber    Houston, TX    

83. Shinsuke Nakamura    July 14, 2019    Extreme Rules Kickoff    Philadelphia, PA  

84. Braun Strowman    January 31, 2020    SmackDown    Tulsa, OK    

85. Sami Zayn    March 8, 2020    Elimination Chamber    Philadelphia, PA

86.  AJ Styles    June 8, 2020    SmackDown    Orlando, FL  

87. Apollo Crews    April 11, 2021    WrestleMania 37
    Night 2    Tampa, FL    

88. Ricochet    March 4, 2022    SmackDown    Miami, FL 

 

Now this obviously changes things in terms of the longest title reign. 

As we all know, Honky Tonk Man had the longest reign at 454 days. 

But here, Pedro Morales would have more than double that reign at 967 days.

Zack Ryder would be the 2nd longest reigning champ at 597 days.

Rob Van Dam would be the 3rd longest reigning champion at 478 days.

This also changes what the shortest reign would've been. Originally it would've been Dean Shane Douglas at 11 minutes. 

Now it's the Mountie, who would've been champion for two days.

Followed by Edge, who would loose the belt to D-Lo Brown after only three days. 

 

Match ups for this alternate history I would've loved to have seen are:

• Greg Valentine vs. Randy Savage in '86. 
• Rick Rude vs. Mr. Perfect at Superstars of Wrestling in '90. 
• Texas Tornado Kerry Von Erich vs. Bret Hart at SummerSlam '91. 
• Roddy Piper vs. The British Bulldog taking place in SummerSlam '92 at Wembly Stadium. 

How about you? What do you all think of this alternate history of champions? 

 

 

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As the year is winding down, it's time to take stock in all the glorious matches that went down in 2018. 

but while everypony is coming out with their top ten, I think we can do better. 

Everypony, post your top 25 wrestling matches of 2018!

And if you can't think of twenty five, then what are you doing here? 

 

For example, my list, in no particular order:

1. Omega vs. Okada IV
2. Omega vs. Ishii (G1 Climax)
3. Omega vs. Naito
4. Omega vs. Goto
5. Ibushi vs. Naito
6. Ibushi vs. Ishii
7. Osprey vs. Scurl vs. Kushida vs. Hiromu
8. Osprey vs. Scurl (Sakura Genesis)
9. Osprey vs. Hiromu (The New Beginning)
10. Osprey vs. Hiromu (Dominion)
11. Osprey vs. Kushida
12. Kushida vs. Chris Sabin
13. Osprey vs. Flip Gordon
14. Scurl vs. Okada
15. Suzuki vs. Ishii (Power Struggle)
16. Steph/ HHH vs. Rousey/ Angle
17. Rollins vs. Miz vs. Balor
18. NXT North American Title Ladder Match
19. Birch/ Orkin vs. The Undisputed Era (Takeover: Chicago II)
20. The Young Bucks/ Flip Gordon vs. SCU Ladder Match
21. The Young Bucks vs. The Golden Lovers
22. Ibushi vs. Hangman Paige
23. Beer City Bruiser vs. Trent Beretta vs. Dalton Castle
24. ZSJ vs. Ibushi (G1 Climax)
25. Omega vs. Ibushi vs. Cody

Now I have a lot of NXT, Impact and Progress to catch up on, so I may be switching out some. there's a chance for stuff like Lynch vs. Flair Last Woman Standing, the Pentagon vs. Calahan Death Match, ZSJ vs. The A-Kidd or Osprey vs. Walter to take some spots. I mean it's been a good year for wrestling and we are spoiled for choice.                                               

Anyways, your turn. 

[Denim&Venöm 16,524]

Okay hold off on your list making.

Serious breaking news on BTE!

And for those too lazy to watch the episode, I'll break it down for you. 

The Bucks, Cody and Hangman are all forming their own wrestling fed. And it's being backed by wrestling fan and the owner of the NFL's Jacksonville Jaguars Tony Khan, one of the few people in the world with a bank account to rival the McMahon family. 

And they've announced their first event. 

This is huge. There hasn't been a fed with the resources to challenge WWE in 18 years. They only thing that's missing is a TV deal, and with both Khans influence and potential big names like Y2J allegedly on board, it seems like a lock that will happen 

[Sparklefan1234 161,896]

@Denim&Venom After the success of "ALL IN" I'm confident that Cody Rhodes & BC can make AEW a success!

Will they ask Billy Corgan to help them promote it since Cody Rhodes seems to have a working relationship with the National Wrestling Alliance? 

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5 minutes ago, Sparklefan1234 said:

@Denim&Venom After the success of "ALL IN" I'm confident that Cody Rhodes & BC can make AEW a success!

Will they ask Billy Corgan to help them promote it since Cody Rhodes seems to have a working relationship with the National Wrestling Alliance? 

Good question. I can only imagine having Billy Corgan's endorsement will bring some eyes to the company. Maybe it'll actually be NWA: AEW? But at the same time I think Corgie has his own vision for the NWA, wanting to restore that classic feel to wrestling, and that sort of clashes with how the Elite do things. Plus he took the belt off Cody after less than two months. so while I can see some crossover, I don't think there will be too much involvement. 

 

[Sparklefan1234 161,896]

6 minutes ago, Denim&Venom said:

Maybe it'll actually be NWA: AEW?

But at the same time I think Corgie has his own vision for the NWA, wanting to restore that classic feel to wrestling, and that sort of clashes with how the Elite do things.

 

1. I could see that being a (Hopefully better.) version of WWE's invasion storyline. 
2. Yeah, The Elite & NWA are two totally different styles for two different types of wrestling fans.

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1 minute ago, Sparklefan1234 said:

 

1. I could see that being a (Hopefully better.) version of WWE's invasion storyline. 
2. Yeah, The Elite & NWA are two totally different styles for two different types of wrestling fans.

1. Problem with that is the NWA are still in a bit of a rebuilding phase. They caned all the contracts with all sorts of back yard indies and fired all the champions in the old regime, save for Tim Storm. They aren't exactly ready yet.

2. Kinda why I haven't been able to get into the NWA. Their style is a bit bland for me. 

 

[Sparklefan1234 161,896]

Just now, Denim&Venom said:

2. Kinda why I haven't been able to get into the NWA. Their style is a bit bland for me. 

 

I feel the same way as terrible as that sounds coming from a "wrestling fan".

I feel bad that I don't find the NWA's way of doing things as interesting/entertaining as NJPW or WWE. 

[Denim&Venöm 16,524]

5 minutes ago, Sparklefan1234 said:

 

I feel the same way as terrible as that sounds coming from a "wrestling fan".

I feel bad that I don't find the NWA's way of doing things as interesting/entertaining as NJPW or WWE. 

I mean there's a reason the NWA fell. They didn't evolve with the times or innovate. It's been that way for over a quarter century. They were too entrenched in the past and every time they tried to go with the future, it felt forced or botched, like their run with TNA. Maybe these are just growing pains. Maybe in this day in age going with the past is a niche in of itself. but that niche isn't for me. 

And don't feel bad. That's not on you. It's on them for not catching your attention. Just like it's not your fault WWE is such a mess these days. 

[Sparklefan1234 161,896]

2 minutes ago, Denim&Venom said:

I mean there's a reason the NWA fell. They didn't evolve with the times or innovate. It's been that way for over a quarter century. They were too entrenched in the past and every time they tried to go with the future, it felt forced or botched, like their run with TNA. Maybe these are just growing pains. Maybe in this day in age going with the past is a niche in of itself. but that niche isn't for me.

 

It also doesn't help that it looks like NWA films their programs in a place that the AWA would've used during the 1980's. 

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19 minutes ago, Sparklefan1234 said:

 

It also doesn't help that it looks like NWA films their programs in a place that the AWA would've used during the 1980's. 

Yeah those venues are tiny. And not even tiny in a Murphy wreck center or 2300 arena kind of way. Those look like buildings that shouldn't even be hosting wrestling. 

[Sparklefan1234 161,896]

2 hours ago, Denim&Venom said:

Yeah those venues are tiny. And not even tiny in a Murphy wreck center or 2300 arena kind of way. Those look like buildings that shouldn't even be hosting wrestling. 

 

You're right.  The Showboat Sports Pavilion (Where the AWA taped their shows.) was part of a casino. 

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13 minutes ago, Sparklefan1234 said:

 

You're right.  The Showboat Sports Pavilion (Where the AWA taped their shows.) was part of a casino. 

It has a very staged vibe to them. Like the Impact tapings or the old Georgia championship Wrestling episodes. It all looks extra fake. 

[Sparklefan1234 161,896]

1 minute ago, Denim&Venom said:

It has a very staged vibe to them. Like the Impact tapings or the old Georgia championship Wrestling episodes. It all looks extra fake. 

 

They probably gave out tickets for free so the "Wrasslin' fans" didn't care how realistic it looked. 

Edited January 2, 2019 by Sparklefan1234

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Maybe that's why most of the crowds looked like lost tourists. 

[Sparklefan1234 161,896]

1 minute ago, Denim&Venom said:

Maybe that's why most of the crowds looked like lost tourists. 

 

They wanted to go to Hogwarts NOT Total Nonstop Action Wrestling!