Twilight's a bad pony. How long before she turns into a villain?

[Cleverclover 1,526]

I wouldn't want Twilight to become a villain, simply because all of Equestria would likely be screwed if that happened. However, what I do want is for her to stop flaunting her power so recklessly: 

 

To stop jumping straight to a spell for a solution to just about anything.

 

To stop violating the laws of nature.

 

To stop casting spells which alter mind and bodies with such carelessness.

 

To stop using her friends as guinea pigs without their consent. 

 

And to stop leaving her magical mistakes without bothering to fix them (i.e. the orange-crossed frog and bird). 

Edited February 19, 2015 by Cleverclover

[Lucky Star 972]

I think it woulkd be cooler if human Twilight became the villain so she could come to Equestria and learns the lesson of friendship just like Twilight, then she goes back to the human world for her own spin off....

 

let's just hope that Sunset Shimmer doesn't get phased out and replaced with human Twilight.

Edited February 19, 2015 by Lucky Star

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

In spite of being the princess' best pupil, looking back, she's done quite a few questionable/ shady/ eyebrow-raising misdeeds/ transgressions that may very well put her on the path to eventually becoming a villain. (we all know it starts out small) She's already opened and read mail from Sunset to Celestia, and never given Celestia the mail (in EQGRR), she's mind-controlled masses with her 'want it, need it” spell and planned on forcibly mind controlling, “reforming” Discord when Fluttershy needed to reform him, she's altered her friends forms without consent (ponies into Breezies/ Fluttershy into a bat), messed with animals natural composition (mice into horses, frogs into oranges, and even altered the diet of parasprites and vampire fruit bats for the worse), read Luna and Celestia's (and King Sombra's) personal diary, broken into the Canterlot archives with accomplices....and hasn't yet been reprimanded or punished for any of these actions, save for the use of the 'want it, need it' spell. She's out of control. Does this not worry anyone else or raise red flags?

Reading some else's diary/mail (that happens to appear in your magical book) doesn't and won't make you evil. Can you please explain how Twilight were "reforming" Discord or how she altered the vampire fruit bats diet for the worse? She didn't turn that frog into an orange because she wanted to, it was an accident. The same thing can be said about turning Fluttershy into a bat pony and making the parasprites eating everything that wasn't food, she didn't do any of those things on purpose. I highly doubt that any of her friends got upset because she turned them into Brezzies. They found it to be fun, if I remember correctly. And she didn't break into the Canterlot archives, she intended to but she didn't. 

[gamecubeguy214 2,512]

Twilight is a good pony, I also wouldn't like to see Midnight Sparkle, because that already happened with Sunset Shimmer and her evil self was killed and consumed, but have the same story happen with Twilight? I don't think so, it's way too unoriginal.

[UnknownFry 169]

To stop jumping straight to a spell for a solution to just about anything.

 

Such as? Twilight tends to use other solutions first before hitting the magic well.

 

To stop violating the laws of nature.

 

It is a fictional cartoon so I don't believe

 

To stop casting spells which alter mind and bodies with such carelessness.

 

Seemed to me like she took plenty of precautions with the Bat Spell, and she was quick to correct to the error.

 

To stop using her friends as guinea pigs without their consent. 

 

Her friends all wanted to help the breezies, so using such a spell did not violate their wills or rights. Pinkie Pie even even consented to the plan, and the others could have backed away anytime. Guess what her friends actually have reason to place their trust in Twilight.

 

And to stop leaving her magical mistakes without bothering to fix them (i.e. the orange-crossed frog and bird). 

 

That was more or less Pinkie Pie's fault by the way for distracting her and throwing her off her aim, but there has been no ill long term consequences as such. So you are complaining just for the sake of complaining,

 

 

Alternate Twilight is far more likely to be evil for a time, but there are certain conditions that could influence Twilight to turn evil such as possible possession or even cursed artifacts like the alicorn amulet for example.

Edited February 20, 2015 by UnknownFry

[Carolina 212]

I would love to see an arc where Twilight goes evil! Like many have said, I don't think she has bad intentions, but rather that she takes some unnesasary risks with her magic. Being that she is now an alicorn and more powerful than ever, I think having her over do it would be very-much in character. I remember the first thing that really made me go "hmmmm" was when she blasted all the Pinkie clones out of existance in "Too Many Pinkie Pies" (the same episode, IIRC, where she created that orange/frog hybrid). It just seemed awfully intense, even ignoring the fact that she could have straight-up murdered the REAL Pinkie Pie by accident. Anyway, Sunset Shimmer had some good character development after her stint as a villain as did Luna/Discord, so why not Twilight?

[Buck Testa 5,505]

In spite of being the princess' best pupil, looking back, she's done quite a few questionable/ shady/ eyebrow-raising misdeeds/ transgressions that may very well put her on the path to eventually becoming a villain. (we all know it starts out small) She's already opened and read mail from Sunset to Celestia, and never given Celestia the mail (in EQGRR), she's mind-controlled masses with her 'want it, need it” spell and planned on forcibly mind controlling, “reforming” Discord when Fluttershy needed to reform him, she's altered her friends forms without consent (ponies into Breezies/ Fluttershy into a bat), messed with animals natural composition (mice into horses, frogs into oranges, and even altered the diet of parasprites and vampire fruit bats for the worse), read Luna and Celestia's (and King Sombra's) personal diary, broken into the Canterlot archives with accomplices....and hasn't yet been reprimanded or punished for any of these actions, save for the use of the 'want it, need it' spell. She's out of control. Does this not worry anyone else or raise red flags?

 

These things raised red flags with me as well, until I actually got where she was coming from. 

 

Each of the mane six has a trigger that clouds their judgement and causes them to act without thinking of the consequences. Twilight's triggers involve things being out of control or when things are not making sense for her. When things do not make sense to her, or when things are out of her control, her ability to reason is greatly diminished and at its extreme she can even have a temporary mental breakdown (a la lesson zero)

 

look at every time Twilight has made a questionable decision and you'll find that its her reasoning stems from things not making sense and not going according to plan/her checklist. Lesson Zero happened because she could not complete a task for celestia without learning something about friendship. Her inability to find something to write about and her friends not really helping caused her trigger to go to a point where in her crazed state she thought using a spell like "want it need it" was the only way to manufacture a lesson in friendship. 

 

She desires things to make sense and to work according to how she understands the world; Pinkie goes against this and its driven her bonkers on a number of occasions. Discord being the embodiment of chaos goes against her need for order and understanding so it would only make sense in her mindset to "fix it" through her power. 

 

None of this means she is "bad" though. She's been learning about moderation in her desire for order since day one. Before the need for a totally scheduled existence prevented even basic friendship, but the other mane six cracked her shell and allowed her to have fun and randomness. Pinkie taught her that things don't always need to make sense, Her future self taught her that she doesn't need to stress so much about the future, And Celestia herself made a point of getting her to lax up on scheduling and worrying about total order.

 

What I'm getting at is IF Twilight had never went to ponyville she may of very well of become a tyrant later because of the fact she had this compulsive mind shattering need for things to follow a strict set of rules and checklists, but because her experiences has lessened this need in her and she has developed into a more matured Princess she has in effect saved herself FROM becoming a villain. 

 

In fact, I have a hunch that THIS NEED FOR ORDER is exactly the motivation of the villain of the season 5 premier. So you aren't exactly wrong, but Twily has grown past this danger. 

[Cwanky 17,622]

I'm sorry but is it just me or does the title of this topic sound like a X rated porno starring Twilight? 

 

 

 

 

Alright forget I said that.

[newfrickinshow 100]

In spite of being the princess' best pupil, looking back, she's done quite a few questionable/ shady/ eyebrow-raising misdeeds/ transgressions that may very well put her on the path to eventually becoming a villain. (we all know it starts out small) She's already opened and read mail from Sunset to Celestia, and never given Celestia the mail (in EQGRR), she's mind-controlled masses with her 'want it, need it” spell and planned on forcibly mind controlling, “reforming” Discord when Fluttershy needed to reform him, she's altered her friends forms without consent (ponies into Breezies/ Fluttershy into a bat), messed with animals natural composition (mice into horses, frogs into oranges, and even altered the diet of parasprites and vampire fruit bats for the worse), read Luna and Celestia's (and King Sombra's) personal diary, broken into the Canterlot archives with accomplices....and hasn't yet been reprimanded or punished for any of these actions, save for the use of the 'want it, need it' spell. She's out of control. Does this not worry anyone else or raise red flags?

 

Not really.  Most cases were just short-sighted attempt to make things better.  I don't recall any attempts to mind control Discord.  Plus you kind of got the hint that the Celestia gave Twilight permission to read her and Luna's diary.

[Bird Mom 900]

As much is a dislike Twilight, I seriously doubt Hasbro would do this. They would likely anger the Sparklers. Now, I can see Twilight being 'possessed' by the Nightmare Forces if they were to magically come back. But other than that. Not going to happen whatsoever, I'm 99.99% sure.

[_GLaDOS_ 102]

I could see Twilight actually become a villian as an interesting plot. The episode will have everyone one on the edge of their seats wondering what's going to happen next. And the rest of the mane 6 have to find a way for Twilight to be good again.

[1Bit 1,531]

It's an interesting thought,  and I would love to see Twilight turn bad even if it was just for a two-parter. It's tiring that Twilight is always the one to save the day so having the other 5 have to rescue her from being evil could be interesting. I personally approve of this idea! 

[sweetolebob18 728]

Nightmare Muffin  To be absolutely fair, turning Flutteshy into Fluttebat was an accident & it only happened because she was trying to avoid having to kill the Vampire Fruit Bats before they destroyed AJ's farm.  Look at their behavior in Apple Family Reunion to see how well Fluttershy's  way is working.  The bats are out of control!

 

Otherwise, I agree with everything you've said.

 

I would also point out she killed a lot of Pinkie clones in Too Many Pinkie Pies without even considering if they were sentient, used magic in Winter Wrap Up when she knew she shouldn't & used Dark Magic in Crystal Empire.

 

It's not so much she is evil, it's more she gets so focused on solving a problem without considering the moral implications of her actions.  IMO, she is one lab accident away from being a supevillain.

 

On the other hand, Magical Mystery Cure shows Celestia approves of her actions, so we know who is to blame.

[ManaMinori 4,146]

Nightmare Muffin  To be absolutely fair, turning Flutteshy into Fluttebat was an accident & it only happened because she was trying to avoid having to kill the Vampire Fruit Bats before they destroyed AJ's farm.  Look at their behavior in Apple Family Reunion to see how well Fluttershy's  way is working.  The bats are out of control!

 

Otherwise, I agree with everything you've said.

 

I would also point out she killed a lot of Pinkie clones in Too Many Pinkie Pies without even considering if they were sentient, used magic in Winter Wrap Up when she knew she shouldn't & used Dark Magic in Crystal Empire.

 

It's not so much she is evil, it's more she gets so focused on solving a problem without considering the moral implications of her actions.  IMO, she is one lab accident away from being a supevillain.

 

On the other hand, Magical Mystery Cure shows Celestia approves of her actions, so we know who is to blame.

I disagree on her killing the Pinkie clones. (I honestly don't know why everyone seems set on saying the killed them, in that instance) When she clearly said she'd send the clones back to where they came from- the mirror pool. Granted,she used magic to once again solve the problem, when she probably didn't need to, and just could've led them all back to the pool, manually, but I sincerely doubt that they were killed.

 

She's not evil NOW, but the way she solves problems without considering what ill effects they might have might have, as she's already shown to do, can- or has already- put her on that path, i think. Only a matter of time. And yeah. Celestia agreeing with those methods in MMC is pretty gross and unwise for a ruler like her, who should've used better judgment in many of her own decisions, herself. What's worse is that Twilight made herself an alicorn, in front of her, and Celestia just lets her

[Silver Letter 1,832]

Plus you kind of got the hint that the Celestia gave Twilight permission to read her and Luna's diary.

When does Twilight read anybody's diary?

 

EDIT: That actually might have been in the castle of the two sisters. In that case, the book was abandoned long ago and permission isn't needed.

Edited February 22, 2015 by Silver Letter

[Empty Room 512]

Just wait 'til next Thursday, then you'll know.

[yeet 2,027]

She isn't gonna turn evil. If she thought about being evil, she woulda destroyed the other alicorns when she got all of their magic.

[That One Techpriest You Used To Know 2,286]

Well, I can understand your perspective, but, for the most part, she's learned to not make those kinds of mistakes and move on. Besides, how many times have we seen her use Cadence's breathing technique since she became a princess? She's getting there, give her time.

 

I think that Twilight won't be turning evil any time soon (except if she is infected by a certain NMM-inducing parasite). It could make an interesting plot twist in, say, some sort of G4.5, but we're a long way off from that.

 

But I also think that the idea that this is just an idea to give the Twilight haters some false hope is false as well... if you knew what you were looking at, you could have inferred that Twilight was to become an alicorn since halfway through season one.

[ManaMinori 4,146]

When does Twilight read anybody's diary?

 

EDIT: That actually might have been in the castle of the two sisters. In that case, the book was abandoned long ago and permission isn't needed.

if the owners of the diary aren't dead and gone, then it's not ok to read their diary. It could've been abandoned by accident for all we know. Celestia likely just wanting to find a new place to call home after her sister attacked, and in an emotional state at the time, just left everything behind as she moved forward. (I highly doubt she would've wanted to leave behind a diary she and her beloved sister shared, and marked memories in, for anypony to find and trifle with)

 

same for Sombra and Twi reading his diary

[Silver Letter 1,832]

if the owners of the diary aren't dead and gone, then it's not ok to read their diary. It could've been abandoned by accident for all we know. Celestia likely just wanting to find a new place to call home after her sister attacked, and in an emotional state at the time, just left everything behind as she moved forward. (I highly doubt she would've wanted to leave behind a diary she and her beloved sister shared, and marked memories in, for anypony to find and trifle with)

 

same for Sombra and Twi reading his diary

That's just too bad. I would have read it. If the immortal cared then she would have retrieved it after 1000 years.

 

And when does Twilight read King Sombra's diary? I didn't even know he had one. If it's in the comics then it doesn't count. They're not canon to the show.

[Tetrakemy 221]

Okay, who really thinks that the creators would turn the main character of a kids show that the kids look up to into a villian for more than one episode?

 

Sorry, not gonna happen.

 

Nightmare moon........enough said?

[Marimo 555]

if the owners of the diary aren't dead and gone, then it's not ok to read their diary. It could've been abandoned by accident for all we know. Celestia likely just wanting to find a new place to call home after her sister attacked, and in an emotional state at the time, just left everything behind as she moved forward. (I highly doubt she would've wanted to leave behind a diary she and her beloved sister shared, and marked memories in, for anypony to find and trifle with)

 

same for Sombra and Twi reading his diary

Celestia told Twilight to look in the castle to find a certain book that may help her. Perchance the diary was the book in question? After all, if Celestia told Twilight to look carefully for a book, but it wasn't her diary, wouldn't she ask Twilight not to read it if she finds it? And it did give the idea to make the journal, which provided the hints on what the keys were and how to obtain Twilight's in the finale.

 

And as far as they know, Sombra is dead and gone, and Twilight was helping Cadence who asked for her help looking for records to help fill missing information that was lost due to Sombra deliberately destroying information, and Cadence included saying to look into anything he himself may have recorded.

 

 

Nightmare moon........enough said?

You might have to explain that some more? Luna is not a main character, and the character was not introduced, as in the audience saw the actual her and got to know her not just introduced in a book, as a good character. Her first actual appearance has her as a villain, who over the course of the two parter pilot is eventually turned good. And Luna's remained good, with them only referencing or revisiting the moment in her life where she was evil.

Edited February 22, 2015 by Marimo

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,162]

Well, anything is possible, but it remains to be seen. Twilight has made questionable decisions here and there, but to really implicate her as bad seems...questionable by itself.

[Critical Mass 178]

This is just the beginning and when she does I feel she will destroy day and night with her abused alicorn powers but let's have faith in twilight at least she isn't paranoid... yet.

Never thought I would have to depend on the changelings to beat defeat Dark Crystal Twilight even after the new years eve party they put together.

Edited February 23, 2015 by Corporal Genuine

[XxPegasisterxX 105]

She isn't gonna turn evil. If she thought about being evil, she woulda destroyed the other alicorns when she got all of their magic.

Excuse me, but I don't see why everyone thinks Twilight is so "powerful"! She is nothing without her friends, and she wouldn't be able to destroy the alicorns with her friends anyway. HONESTLY!