Why Aren't You an Athiest?

[Somberhoof 156]

If you can't make something from nothing, how did the creator do it?

That's the secondary question. First question is... Where did he come from?

 

 

 

Oh, sorry. I'm an idiot.

Edited May 3, 2015 by ShadeRover

[Trine 665]

Just because you are an atheist doesn't mean it limits imagination, although i liked it better when i didn't know about atheism. I knew people who didn't believe in god, but i just said "They don't believe in god", and that was it, pure and simple. But although i dont like Science fiction to be honest.

Edited May 3, 2015 by Trine

[EpicEnergy 23,218]

Because I was raised to believe in Christianity and because I think that Christianity is the truth.

[J.J 923]

Really want to make a giant profound statement that would be split up into four or five paragraphs, but it's simple, it's about faith, having faith can make you do amazing things, and it even ties in with messages in episodes of MLP, think "Feeling Pinkie Keen", Pinkie: "You just have to take a leap of faith", and this is true in our every day lives to various matters and extents, an atheist will defeat themselves with nihilistic pessimism and require that others do the same when regarding such topics, they want to limit everyone else bc they themselves feel limited, nah bro that's your inevitable LIE, I'll keep living for the truth...

[ChrysalisM 290]

Because even if you go back to the big bang, where did the matter come from?

[Denim&Venöm 18,977]

A blind denial of god is just absurd as blind faith in one. Whether in favor of or against the existence of the supernatural, you need concrete facts. And at this moment in time, there aren't enough to prove either side. Besides, I have better things for my thoughts to dwell. on. Life's too short to ponder on this for very long. 

That's why I am Agnostic.  

[Misty Shadow 7,874]

I support empiricism and the need to ground our beliefs in facts fully. However, I have seen nothing concrete for why a god can not exist in this massive universe and every belief takes some level of faith, including the belief that everything is just the product of some freak accident in one world out of trillions in a multiverse. 

[LassAmy 38]

I'm more of an agnostic than an athiest. Just because I still think there's a slight possibility that something is out there in the great beyond.

[Yakamaru 3,127]

People are free to believe whatever they want as long as they don't push it on me and/or on others. I don't believe in any god, gods, deity or deities and never will.

Being an Atheist is merely the lack of faith.

[Splashee 28,564]

So I don’t believe. I still have friends and family who believe. And they have valid reasons to do so.
But if I started to call myself an Atheist, then I would state that I find it important to categorise myself, which is incorrect. One day I might believe in god, and the next, I don’t. I simply see no reason to fight about it.

[zerox 1,120]

I'm an agnostic because I think we haven't yet proven or disproven the existence of god(s).

[They call me Loyalty 1,948]

I am neither atheist nor religious. I am with YHWH. I've always been. Because YHWH has been proven to be right... again. By the creation itself. You cannot have a "loving" god, because this is what happens. Corruption runs rampant in the creation... again. Meaning, that humankind needs a GOD they can fear. Do you remember the flood? Creation has failed the ten commandments, again.

I miss Israel. I miss myself. Before I was corrupted by the sh*t of this God-less world, and by the deviation of my family from the law of God. I miss YHWH. I miss my true self.

[Clawdeen 14,167]

I’d say I’m more agnostic. I can’t confirm or deny the potential existence of a higher power.

[Celli 4,338]

I'm non-religious because I despise organized religion. I am atheist (agnostic) because I don't believe in any higher being and that's all there is too it.

On 2022-10-13 at 10:07 PM, Spook Conundrum said:

an atheist will defeat themselves with nihilistic pessimism

Ah yes, being atheist means you're required to be pessimistic and think that there's no meaning to life. It's my opinion that atheists are more likely to find the good in life and make the most of it.

This is my issue with religion and people of faith, they assume that Atheists have nothing to live for.

[J.J 923]

1 minute ago, Celli said:

I'm non-religious because I despise organized religion. I am atheist (agnostic) because I don't believe in any higher being and that's all there is too it.

Ah yes, being atheist means you're required to be pessimistic and think that there's no meaning to life. It's my opinion that atheists are more likely to find the good in life and make the most of it.

This is my issue with religion and people of faith, they assume that Atheists have nothing to live for.

I'm not saying you have nothing to live for, but often times it is the prerogative of atheists to try to belittle other individuals purposes to live because they don't have any faith themselves... They have no factual proof that God does not exist, but they want to use their doubt to often times rob others of their hope...

I disagree, every atheist I've met has had to try to belittle the perspective of others with faith, and you can find solace in nothing if it is your prerogative, just know that many Christians aren't living for God alone, they are just given a moral guideline by the idea of him/her and it makes them a better person, and to some it inspires positive moral purpose, rather than cold pragmatism that revolves around making oneself the most happy, a lot of Satanists are atheists it ties into a narcissistic belief at times that there is no greater priority than the self, yeah you can be a prideful narcissistic Christian, but your views aren't for self empowerment, nor the demeaning of another's religious beliefs, it's just a common misconception that our most common atheist means factual Intellectual, and not uncertain cynical virgin lol, there is nothing to disprove god, feel free to try to tell me that I don't want the best out of my life because I DO believe in God, that should be interesting, but nah you do you and I'll do me, I won't try to manipulate you with my background or personal experiences... 

 

[ZiggWheelsManning 10,313]

I'm won over by your words, "you do you and I'll do me"  

[Celli 4,338]

1 minute ago, Spook Conundrum said:

I'm not saying you have nothing to live for, but often times it is the prerogative of atheists to try to belittle other individuals purposes to live because they don't have any faith themselves... They have no factual proof that God does not exist, but they want to use their doubt to often times rob others of their hope...

I disagree, every atheist I've met has had to try to belittle the perspective of others with faith, and you can find solace in nothing if it is your prerogative, just know that many Christians aren't living for God alone, they are just given a moral guideline by the idea of him/her and it makes them a better person, and to some it inspires positive moral purpose, rather than cold pragmatism that revolves around making oneself the most happy, a lot of Satanists are atheists it ties into a narcissistic belief at times that there is no greater priority than the self, yeah you can be a prideful narcissistic Christian, but your views aren't for self empowerment, nor the demeaning of another's religious beliefs, it's just a common misconception that our most common atheist means factual Intellectual, and not uncertain cynical virgin lol, there is nothing to disprove god, feel free to try to tell me that I don't want the best out of my life because I DO believe in God, that should be interesting, but nah you do you and I'll do me, I won't try to manipulate you with my background or personal experiences... 

 

You can believe what you want, my only issue is when people claim that their belief is the only true one,

On 2022-10-13 at 10:07 PM, Spook Conundrum said:

nah bro that's your inevitable LIE, I'll keep living for the truth

Like here, how do you know for a fact that yours is the truth? Why out of thousands of religions is yours the true one? What's wrong with just having your faith and believing it to be the indisputable truth without pretending that anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong? Just say you believe but you can't prove god exists, just like I can't prove he doesn't. Neither of us know but there's nothing wrong with having faith, or lackthereof.

6 minutes ago, Spook Conundrum said:

a lot of Satanists are atheists

That's not even possible, you can't believe in Satan and be atheist at the same time, unless you mean the group that doesn't actually believe in Satan and just uses his image and stuff for their group.

[J.J 923]

4 minutes ago, Celli said:

You can believe what you want, my only issue is when people claim that their belief is the only true one,

Like here, how do you know for a fact that yours is the truth? Why out of thousands of religions is yours the true one? What's wrong with just having your faith and believing it to be the indisputable truth without pretending that anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong? Just say you believe but you can't prove god exists, just like I can't prove he doesn't. Neither of us know but there's nothing wrong with having faith, or lackthereof.

That's not even possible, you can't believe in Satan and be atheist at the same time, unless you mean the group that doesn't actually believe in Satan and just uses his image and stuff for their group.

You ever hear of Zorilla Diabolus? There are all kinds of satanist atheists, Satan is a symbol of self empowerment to them... A lot of Jews are actually atheist to, and I'm not just saying this because these people don't believe Christ is the son of god, I'm saying this bc religion is merely ritual to them, and they use their faith associations for literal power, a lot of Jews believe in science over faith it's just not publicly discussed... 

I don't know what God looks like in himself, but the Hebrew God Yahweh is technically based off of a pagan god within himself, these aren't plagiarized stories that keep happening a lot of these people's traditions began in different corners of the world, it's not a plagiarized story it is a continuous prophecy... I can only hope God in whatever form he may come to you in gives you a revelation of greater purpose, but I don't think you are incapable of having one yourself... Just like I'm not for having my beliefs, if you knew ALL of my beliefs you would think I'm the weirdest Christian you've ever met, I'm very alternative in my religious beliefs but I'm not going to pretend to be a prophet because of them, all I know is the lack of God is a lie from my own blessings and second chances, I don't attribute man for the circumstantial mercy I've received, the literal miracles that have let me retain my unfinished purpose in this physical existence .. I can't tell you gods name for sure, or when the world was made, but I know he's real because certainty is a huge part of having faith...

[J.J 923]

11 minutes ago, Props ValRoa said:

@Celli @Spook Conundrum

I find science and empirical analysis is the best way to explain the world. There are many unknowns, but we can't fill them in with our own predictions. Those predictions must be tested through the scientific method. 

 

God is the grand architect and proven likely to be an alchemist himself, it's only natural his children would indulge chemistry just as he did in the creation of the universe and mankind itself ..

[Celli 4,338]

@Spook Conundrum 

Science and faith can co-exist. Science is the study of the natural world. No more. 

You're speaking as if what you say it absolute truth. And that's where you lost me. You don't know for sure if there is a divine being, just like I don't know if there isn't. We're humans. You just have faith and that's fine. I don't have a problem with faith, only religion. 

That's all I have to say. 

 

 

[J.J 923]

17 hours ago, Props ValRoa said:

If there is a "God", then I am inclined to believe it is existence itself. I don't believe that "God" is a religious concept. I don't believe worship of any kind is needed in society...just seems to be another method for elites to get people to bow down to them. I say no to that. I say were are all independent and the only fate we have is what we make with it. I don't believe in a "Greater purpose", other than what one does themselves, because a higher "purpose" to me, violates the idea of free will, as enticing as it is.

Human ego is at it's worst when it claims to represent the divine.

Sounds like you would love Zorilla Diabolus, religious institutions have done a lot of evil, but the independent will of Christians has done a lot more good itself than harm done by the religious institutions, nobody is going to hound you for not caring about others and putting yourself first, self empowerment is great, but when you are on your death bed your pride is literally all that you have, so I hope you make yourself pretty damn proud... The solace of greater purpose is something that can't be echoed in uncertainty, when you know you are living to try to will the physical world into a better place you feel fulfillment, it isn't that you "can't" do this being an atheist, there are all kinds of good atheists who have aided in the progress of mankind, but their pride is reflective of the original sin of pride, if you think you are only human it's what you will persist to be, some people are honestly to modest sometimes, there are all kinds of advancements in science you believe in and their origins actually stem very close to my faith,

I'm a Rosicrucian, if you do your research you will uncover some Revelations yourself, Christians believe in science and hermeticism, it just depends which ones you talk to, there is a logical explanation for a lot of information we've received throughout the years from human anatomy, to basic chemistry, these medical achievements and progress evolved through the endless work of christian scientists largely medical work, if you want to have a lengthy discussion about this my DMs are always open, insinuating Christians don't believe in science because some don't believe in a very flawed >THEORY< IS ALSO WRONG, I can let you guys have your echo chamber of appearing pseudo intellectual but if you want to learn some new things, feel free to message

 

17 hours ago, Celli said:

@Spook Conundrum 

Science and faith can co-exist. Science is the study of the natural world. No more. 

You're speaking as if what you say it absolute truth. And that's where you lost me. You don't know for sure if there is a divine being, just like I don't know if there isn't. We're humans. You just have faith and that's fine. I don't have a problem with faith, only religion. 

That's all I have to say. 

 

 

Now we're getting somewhere

[J.J 923]

7 minutes ago, Props ValRoa said:

@Spook Conundrum

I do not see much of a point in discussing this further. I don't have the interest. I don't agree in what you are saying and there is no possible way I'll convince you otherwise. Believe what you want, but try to be more open minded other than saying that what you believe is the absolute truth.

I'll find my own truth on my own terms.

 

Again if you don't believe Christians greatly impacted medical science it shows how abundantly ignorant to faith you actually are, you tend to reject history for your biases a lot and treat the progress of mankind as something that is a matter of perspective and not concrete history, it's why the caduceus is literally on the side of your medical transport vehicles, this is like most atheists do though they want to be pseudo intellectual and in this case bizarrely reject history to some how protect their own bias and lack of information by saying they don't believe things that can literally be proven? How little about history do you know?

You can start here 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism

But I know you want to generalize religious intent as a whole so you might not be interested in the history thats responsible for almost every medical advancement in history and half of our chemicals discoveries, do some research...

 

Edited November 7, 2022 by Spook Conundrum

[J.J 923]

1 minute ago, Props ValRoa said:

@Spook Conundrum

I'm not going to discuss this further. Think what you like. 

I'm not going to "think" anything, I'm going to KNOW history... But I posted a link for actual knowledgeable context for you if you care about learning new things and not perceiving the world with blatant biases...

[J.J 923]

4 minutes ago, Props ValRoa said:

@Spook Conundrum

What you linked there is quite interesting. I will have to delve into it, but, that doesn't mean it is the absolute truth. I treat most things as a large unknown, and for me to truly accept it, I'll have to come to terms with it on my own. I am open to looking into some of the ideas you say, but, that's for me to find out. 

It's difficult to find "concrete history" as a lot of it I am not sure can actually be proven as correct, and a lot of history is interpreted through other people, who probably had their own agendas for doing what they were doing.

This does not mean I agree with how you present this information, though. 

You haven't been part of a religious institution that studies these beliefs in depth or has practice and ritual inspired from it, I do respect your interest gratefully however and wish more people were interested in how and why we have reached the pinnacle of scientific development we have and not just how the current state of our understanding of these practices and information works, there is also more you don't know, 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucianism

There are still many of us in the modern day, not practicing in the medical/alchemical practices but more or less faithfully true to the belief system that birthed them... A lot of people think I'm just an ignorant far right Christian lunatic bigot but nah... Lol I just know most people aren't here for a history briefing...

[Dark Bun 681]

48 minutes ago, Spook Conundrum said:

Again if you don't believe Christians greatly impacted medical science it shows how abundantly ignorant to faith you actually are, you tend to reject history for your biases a lot and treat the progress of mankind as something that is a matter of perspective and not concrete history, it's why the caduceus is literally on the side of your medical transport vehicles, this is like most atheists do though they want to be pseudo intellectual and in this case bizarrely reject history to some how protect their own bias and lack of information by saying they don't believe things that can literally be proven? How little about history do you know?

You can start here 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism

But I know you want to generalize religious intent as a whole so you might not be interested in the history thats responsible for almost every medical advancement in history and half of our chemicals discoveries, do some research...

The fact of the matter is, while religious people have contributed the progression of scientific theories; that progression doesn't stem from religion itself. It comes from the individual motivation to pursue something, and you can pursue how to make better medicines without needing a religious framework.