gaming Microsoft, Sony & Nintendo: Who will survive the longest?

[Tom Snyder 4,113]

If you wish to participate then follow these rules:

 

1. keep any hate for the others thoughts to yourself.

2. No trolling or insulting another game console, keep it civil(meaning do not start a war over it).

3. I will request this deleted if i see one hint of anyone breaking these rules, now behave yourselves and i won't have to do it.

4. PC's can be discussed, but do not under any circumstance say "Master Race", as it is a derogatory term to me and will result in a request to have this locked.

 

Thank you, and enjoy yourselves. And to the PC Gamers who act elitist to piss off console gamers, here's a video on proper social behavior:

 

 

Nothing personal, I just wish this superiority crap would stop.

Edited May 8, 2015 by Candy Star

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 42,202]

That video was done before the launch of the One, over a year and a half ago, so it is not exactly relevant now. Not only that, but the video just wasn't good.

 

On the question though, what exactly would make Microsoft greedy that would not make any other big corporation greedy? One could say the ads on the dashboard, but those are non-intrusive and more often than not are game related, on the One at least.

 

Things have changed since the launch of the One, it is a very nice device and currently CHEAPER than the PS4, so the video point of 'they wanted to raise the price to do this or that' doesn't make any sense at all now.

 

I don't really see anything 'greedy' that Microsoft is doing that isn't done by pretty much any other huge company.

 

Of course that is just my personal opinion on the subject.

[Tom Snyder 4,113]

That video was done before the launch of the One, over a year and a half ago, so it is not exactly relevant now. Not only that, but the video just wasn't good.

 

On the question though, what exactly would make Microsoft greedy that would not make any other big corporation greedy? One could say the ads on the dashboard, but those are non-intrusive and more often than not are game related, on the One at least.

 

Things have changed since the launch of the One, it is a very nice device and currently CHEAPER than the PS4, so the video point of 'they wanted to raise the price to do this or that' doesn't make any sense at all now.

 

I don't really see anything 'greedy' that Microsoft is doing that isn't done by pretty much any other huge company.

While this was made a year ago, its still relevant. Game companies will still lose no matter what they try to do to cover their losses. But the part about development expenses are true, each year they rise more and more; making it difficult to really get a game done. So this had led to desperation from them and Sony alike. Kyoshi, i respect you, but saying that really didn't answer my question.

 

What i want to know is, do you think its greed or desperation that drives them?

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 42,202]

While this was made a year ago, its still relevant. Game companies will still lose no matter what they try to do to cover their losses. But the part about development expenses are true, each year they rise more and more; making it difficult to really get a game done. So this had led to desperation from them and Sony alike. Kyoshi, i respect you, but saying that really didn't answer my question.

 

What i want to know is, do you think its greed or desperation that drives them?

I answered your question, I don't think it is either. I think it just a corporation doing what it does, adjusting to changes in the market and changes in the consumer base. This happens all the time, hence why the One is cheaper than the PS4 now and so on.

 

Again, just my opinion on the matter.

[Tom Snyder 4,113]

I answered your question, I don't think it is either. I think it just a corporation doing what it does, adjusting to changes in the market and changes in the consumer base. This happens all the time, hence why the One is cheaper than the PS4 now and so on.

Yes, but how far can one company go before they fall? Many have due to mistakes, but others can keep going because they thought ahead. So was it not desperation that led to sony copying the Wii's remotes(or was it MS?), i'm not sure anyone can keep going so long; but you do have a point.

 

But tell me, what makes a game good? What decides if it succeeds? Its not the company but the consumers who make their money for them. You can charge $500 for a system, but that won't guarantee people will buy it. I believe all three will not be able to keep up in the future, The PC is outselling them by vast amounts, and i fear it will be that very idea that destroys them.

People arguing about how a game company designs their console is irrelevant, it has nothing to do with it. What really matters is what gamers preferences are; not by claiming superiority. The consoles were made to be enjoyed, not fought over by bunch of adults acting like little kids. Sorry if i went off-topic, I was only trying to add a little info.

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 42,202]

Yes, but how far can one company go before they fall? Many have due to mistakes, but others can keep going because they thought ahead. So was it not desperation that led to sony copying the Wii's remotes(or was it MS?), i'm not sure anyone can keep going so long; but you do have a point.

 

But tell me, what makes a game good? What decides if it succeeds? Its not the company but the consumers who make their money for them. You can charge $500 for a system, but that won't guarantee people will buy it. I believe all three will not be able to keep up in the future, The PC is outselling them by vast amounts, and i fear it will be that very idea that destroys them.

Well, the first point, many companies did copy the Wii, but that is because the Wii took the entire gaming market by storm with its motion controllers. This caused a shift in the market itself and motion gaming proved profitable for a short time, so many companies jumped on this bandwagon, Sony and Microsoft both being the biggest ones. To me, this was not an act of greed or desperation, but rather a reaction to a new change in the market, that being motion controls. Then that change started to shift back and motion controls started to fall, thus most of the companies that jumped on it have since abandoned it. Shift in the gaming market and consumer patterns shifted all of that.

 

The second part, I am just not sure what point you are trying to make there so I won't say anything about it.

[Tom Snyder 4,113]

Nintendo started everything, but once all companies got in on it, it became fuel for a war that has gone on since the wii, xbox, and playstation first came out. I want to understand the reason behind such childish behavior, and why people can't be civil when it comes to another stating his/her opinion. Just an example:

 

Now first i'll say my piece about each one:

 

Xbox, microsoft has done well to keep themselves afloat, but for how long will that last? To me not very long if they keep this greedy attitude up; people can deny it isn't,but that doesn't change the fact they charge you to change your GT($10). That itself is a bad move, i should be able to change it when i see fit, not pay to have it done. Servers are 300,000, more stable than the PSN's. Frame rate means nothing if you can't keep your server stable.That is the XBL's advantage over PSN.

 

The Wii(discontinued), is still better than the Wii U; as it performed better than the one they're currently doing. They've thrown away the Motion controls for a tablet copycat, which won't survive that long without many games to support it. People play more on their Wii's than the U, because they enjoy the exercise. I don't have much else, but people here can fill in the blanks.

 

And finally, Sony, and their so-called superior console, by rabid fans. This system is not superior, its got the same ability to play games like any other console and doesn't deserve to be treated as top console. What decides that is the overall performance and the games in the library(which they still have yet to build up. people in the PSN fandom have yet to realize this, and yet make such outlandish and childish claims. And often start flamming other people's consoles(not saying they only do this but any others too). Sure the frame rate can be stable at times, but it doesn't always stay that way.

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So i'll start off by saying this: Cut the crap, and act civil about it, this isn't a contest; nor should it be treated like one. You either say something respectful or don't say anything at all, if someone has an opinion; you respect that opinion. 

 

 

Now tell me, what reason you have to say your system will survive? 

Edited April 22, 2015 by Candy Star

[Megas 28,100]

Objectively Speaking...

 

- The Playstation brand is practically the only thing keeping Sony alive at this point

- Nintendo has enough money in the bank that they could have financial flops for the next 50+ years

 

Microsoft is in a weird position because while the Xbox tend to sell well and is very popular, they usually sell them at a loss. And Microsoft has threatened to kill/sell off the Xbox division a couple of times in the past.

 

Overall, I'd say most likely Nintendo, but things have changed in the past so who knows

[Tom Snyder 4,113]

Objectively Speaking...

 

- The Playstation brand is practically the only thing keeping Sony alive at this point

- Nintendo has enough money in the bank that they could have financial flops for the next 50+ years

 

Microsoft is in a weird position because while the Xbox tend to sell well and is very popular, they usually sell them at a loss. And Microsoft has threatened to kill/sell off the Xbox division a couple of times in the past.

 

Overall, I'd say most likely Nintendo, but things have changed in the past so who knows

The DLC costs will be another expense added to their troubles.

[Skeleton Kin 385]

It's a tie between Sony and Microsoft, no this isn't console fanboyism. Microsoft and Sony both make other products apart from consoles such as TVs, PCs, Laptops, and phones; Nintendo does not.

 

Also, Pickle Corn Mustard race.

Edited April 22, 2015 by Lag Spike

[Honsou 399]

Honestly. Microsoft because 1: Xbox, and 2: PC "Master Race." I consider the PC to the be master race because a PC is a personal computer, whether it be windows, apple, or linux, and there is nothing you can't do with a PC do the GUI and codeability of the script inside of them. A PS4 and Xbone are firmware locked PC's in a sense that only certain portions of their respective OS's are available to the consumer, and they have very little ability to do PC things. When was the last time someone did 1080p video rendering off of a Playstation or Xbox?

 

Nintendo will always be around, simply because they have tenure, and nowadays are more child and family oriented than the Xbox and Playstations. Sega in my opinion did the right thing with the dreamcast and moved on to Software management, development and publishing. I mean look at THQ, they were a massive Software producer, and now they are completely gone, a footnote in history. Whose assets are now partially owned by Sega.

 

-Edit- Candy Star, I'm not taking a shot at you with the Master Race comment, I'm simply saying that for all intents and purposes, the PC is the GP of the modern era of technology. They are portable, rugged, quick, lightweight, efficient, and user friendly. I know the Xbox and PS4 are cheaper alternatives to a gaming rig PC, but some people like keyboards, some people like controllers. Myself? I use an Xbox controller attached to my PC. 

Edited April 22, 2015 by Honsou

[Tom Snyder 4,113]

Honestly. Microsoft because 1: Xbox, and 2: PC "Master Race." I consider the PC to the be master race because a PC is a personal computer, whether it be windows, apple, or linux, and there is nothing you can't do with a PC do the GUI and codeability of the script inside of them. A PS4 and Xbone are firmware locked PC's in a sense that only certain portions of their respective OS's are available to the consumer, and they have very little ability to do PC things. When was the last time someone did 1080p video rendering off of a Playstation or Xbox?

 

Nintendo will always be around, simply because they have tenure, and nowadays are more child and family oriented than the Xbox and Playstations. Sega in my opinion did the right thing with the dreamcast and moved on to Software management, development and publishing. I mean look at THQ, they were a massive Software producer, and now they are completely gone, a footnote in history. Whose assets are now partially owned by Sega.

 

-Edit- Candy Star, I'm not taking a shot at you with the Master Race comment, I'm simply saying that for all intents and purposes, the PC is the GP of the modern era of technology. They are portable, rugged, quick, lightweight, efficient, and user friendly. I know the Xbox and PS4 are cheaper alternatives to a gaming rig PC, but some people like keyboards, some people like controllers. Myself? I use an Xbox controller attached to my PC. 

Also take into consideration my feelings of being called a "Console Peasant", as this is why that term is derogatory to me.

[null123456 759]

I hate to say it, but Nintendo at the rate their going. They're so behind in so many things. The Wii U bombed, and it's lifespan is already coming to a close due to the announced Project NX, they've been fucking up their community reputation with the whole YT thing and lack of third party support. The Amiibo is the only thing they've got going for them at this point, personally. 

[A Black Circle 1,586]

Who will last?
 

Microsoft will probably stop caring

Sony will probably try to make a Steam-ish thing as a console, and may or may not go out of business

Nintendo will make another console, and then, ?

[\/ 651]

Nintendo is a classic thing, but even then, I don't know if they're giving up or moving on. Who knows? They could be developing new characters or something, but few new games have been published by them.

 

Microsoft never cared, and never will. When it comes to an operating system, they throw it out there and let the community struggle to fix their half-finished product. With consoles, they just slap together what's cheapest at the functionality they need with no care for design or efficiency. If you've ever opened up an Xbox 360, you'd understand.

 

Sony's busy with plenty of things, and really hasn't had a focus on consoles. Their gaming presence will fade during financial crisis, as it is now after the information leeches targeted at them. They'll be around...

[Moved to Elsewhere 11,331]

Well I don't believe any of them will die per say, just eventually move to PC once the consoles start selling less. 

 

If any of them were to die first, it would surprisingly be Sony. I honestly can't list any games on PS4 that aren't 3rd party and they probably tanked with the Vita. Sure, the Wii U doesn't do well in sales but at least when Nintendo makes that one good seller (Smash Bros, Pokemon) it tends to sell a lot. Plus, the 3DS does well in sales and the amiibos sell out like crazy. They just need to freaking restock them.

 

Microsoft? Their games sell decently but I don't know anything abut them.

[Honsou 399]

Also take into consideration my feelings of being called a "Console Peasant", as this is why that term is derogatory to me.

Not saying you are a console peasant. I own a PS3. I own a $3,000 dollar desktop that I saved up for a year to buy. I play both of them equally. I know the whole reason PC is called the "Master Race" is simply because of the graphics that PC has been delivering for years out performed the xboxes and PS2's and PS3's. Now that console gaming has caught up to the PC standards in graphics, it's the battle cry of the PC fanboys. I prefer PC gaming because I love RTS games. I can't get my fix of Company of Heroes or Dawn of War on the Xbox/PS3. At the same token, I couldn't get my fix of Final Fantasy on the PC for a long time. And then there was Dark souls. Piss Poor PC optimization, average console performance, yet one of my all time favorite games. Probably one of the deciding factors in my buying a PS3 was demon's souls. 

[KeithDJohnson 40]

I have to say Microsoft gets first place. Mainly because it kinda owns pc gaming. Just take a look at the votes in the thread called What are your computer specs? Microsoft Windows wins by far. I think Windows 10 be a big hit for Windows 7 fans. With that out of the way, I put my thoughts on the others.

 

1. Microsoft - pc, everyone has one or can find a need for one. Any computer can play games. Well at least play Pong and Solitaire. I don't think pc will ever leave the scene since it's such a common household tool.

2. Sony - I like their new console. They really hit a home-run with their new controller. The ps3's controller was so small.

3. Nintendo - Well that's if they can ditch everything the Wii did and start over with a sequel to the Gamecube. I think that be the next move for them otherwise I lost hope in what Nintendo can do. If only I can show them some ideas I came up with.

4. Xbox - I think this is the only one that doesn't have a portable system. That could be their downfall. It's big, has a power brick, and has developed a lot of bad reputation with the Xbone and 360.

5. Sega - Boy I would love to see Sega get back into it! Their d-pad just rocks! Add two joy sticks to it and you have yourself a game console that can compete with the above.

 

I'm a Gamecube fan and run my Linux Mint single core pc. Really, I only play one game anymore which be SSBM. That and some Sega Genesis games.

[AccountNoLongerUsed 741]

I think all will survive. 

[Tom Snyder 4,113]

I think all will survive. 

As long as they do it right, sure; but if not, goodbye forever.

[Unikitty 1,212]

Chances are we won't see any disappear within the next several decades. But if I were to put money on it, I'd speculate that it's entirely possible that Microsoft and Sony could merge into a single super-company. Both are quite similar in the video game industry and its only a matter of time before one gets a foothold over the other. Then it'll be a natural process of pooling both companies together in order to maximise output and profits of products.
They also both seem pretty arrogant(especially Microsoft) so it is likely they'd both be out to 1-up each other.

 

Nintendo will likely stay where it is. Unless people stop caring about it's major IPs(Mario, Link, Pokemon), they'll still have an easy time banking a lot of cash on future releases. They already have more money than they can spend. They're also relatively secluded as far as companies go. Whilst Sony and Microsoft might share games or work together on some fronts, Nintendo mostly just keeps to itself; and Sony and Microsoft don't mind.

Nintendo also leads the handheld industry by miles. Whilst the PSP did fine, and the Vita does pretty well on the eastern front, neither really took the stage from Nintendo. The Vita just about bombed in the western hemisphere. Microsoft just hasn't even tried to enter that industry.

 

That said, with Microsoft and Sony not focusing on games 100%, chances are they'll keep moving into an all-round home media production, and take the market there(in theory). This would keep them in high ground, whilst also leaving a little more growing space for Nintendo in the gaming industry. That is assuming Nintendo doesn't try take some of the Quality-of-Life market - which is exactly what is sounds like they might do.

 

All in all, it'll be a while before we see any of them start to slow down. God Speed.

[JonasDarkmane 19,790]

I think microsoft is the likeliest to survive as it has become a daily part of human life. It is most (if not all) PCs and people use it for work. 

 

Just my opinion though  -_-

[Chara 1,565]

Everything come to an end eventually, Nintendo is dieing, Microsoft failed with Xbox One (getting better sales) but the most dominant right now is Sony with the PS4. But really we all know Sony and Valve will last the longest LOL.

Edited April 23, 2015 by OP_WreakablzZ

[AccountNoLongerUsed 741]

Everything come to an end eventually, Nintendo is dieing, Microsoft failed with Xbox One (getting better sales) but the most dominant right now is Sony with the PS4. But really we all know Sony and Valve will last the longest LOL.

Nintendo is NOT dying. The Wii U just had bad marketing it is not a bad system. The Wii U gamepad is quite innovative. I mean, you can play your games on it while someone else is using the TV screen. I wonder why Sony and Microsoft havent made a similar optional assessory for the PS4 and XB-ONE?

[Shift 4,274]

Nintendo and Microsoft. Microsoft has the Xbox for financial support and also makes other things. As For Nintendo, god knows Nintendo can survive so many financial bombs that they're pratically immortal and have tons of games in case they start dying. Microsoft has pretty good games on the Xbox and they have decent ones on the Xbox One coming up (Kingdom Hearts 3), and Nintendo has quite a lineup of games coming to the Wii U.

Edited April 23, 2015 by Shift