spoiler Is Ponyville better off without Twilight around? Room for Amethyst?

[ManaMinori 4,144]

There's been a looooot of chaos happening in Ponyville since Twilight Sparkle moved into town- much of which has been a result of her using her magic as a solution. Parasprites literally eating every pony out of house and home, magic duels that put the Ponyville populace in danger, bringing a dragon who- if not watched carefully- could go overboard on his greed and grow to enormous sizes, destroying their town, mind-controlling the townsponies with a spell so they'd fight over a doll, causing damage by using magic during the Winter Round Up, creating the mixed up chaos in the town, with the switched destinies of her friends, by reading Starswirl's spell aloud, nearly allowing Discord to claim Ponyville as the chaos capital of the world, giving the CMC a book to cause chaos to ponies- who ended up contributing to the destruction of the town- with a love poison, not keeping a closer eye on Discord or getting info out of him sooner, to stop the plundervines from invading Ponyville (though Celestia's partly to blame for allowing the mane 6 to let him out of his imprisonment again).

 

Also, in the recent teaser for the 100^th episode, we find out that poor Amethyst Star has had her role stolen from her by Twilight, and nopony bothers to ask her for help organizing events, since little miss Canterlot privileged ascended alicorn teacher's pet, Purple Smart came to town. Wonder if Amethyst has any resentment toward Twilight stewing, because of it. (and I'd love to see the relationship between her and Twilight explored in future episode, building off the development Amethyst gets and what we learn about her stolen spot, in the 100^th episode)

 

So what do you guys think? Would Ponyville and its populace have been better off without Twilight ever coming there? Do you think they've adjusted to the constant chaos that the Mane 6 (mostly Twilight, though) brings through their neck of the woods? Could Amethyst Star ever share the spotlight with Twilight? (she seems to have things under control with the other townsponies when monster attacks or some such happens, and claims to have been the best organizer before Twilight stepped in).

[The Coffee Pony 1,390]

Well if Twilight had not come to Ponyville it would have been night time 24/7 under the rule of a Black Possessed Alicorn with big sister issues.

[colt .45 259]

While your arguement about Twilight makes some valid points ( of which I could debate as to whether the greater positive of her actions outweigh the negative consequences ...and you still might win.). The specific topic is about Amethyst Star, and weather Twilight usurped her as the most organizey, organizing pants pony in all of Ponyville. And the answer to that is NO! No, she didn't usurp shit! If Amethyst Star was all that as an organiser then the Winter Wrap-up would have been on time the year before Twilight showed up. And the year before that, and the year before that, and the year before that. According to Mayor Mare, keeping in mind that she is a politician and is therefore prone to telling lies.

[Singe 2,109]

Except there was never an organizer position until the Winter Wrap-up episode. Amethyst Star was already the leader of the animal team and helps in the ice-carving as part of the weather team. Mayor Mare is more to blame for not making an organizer position and having Amethyst Star do it.

[colt .45 259]

Except there was never an organizer position until the Winter Wrap-up episode. Amethyst Star was already the leader of the animal team and helps in the ice-carving as part of the weather team. Mayor Mare is more to blame for not making an organizer position and having Amethyst Star do it.

While you make a totally valid point,which I can almost get behind ( blame the government ) Amethyst didn't get that title because she failed to see the bigger picture. And as a result, all the winter wrap-ups failed to happen on time. Amethyst got out organized by THE master organizer.

 

P.S. Twilights OCD may be an unfair advantage, but what are you gonna do? She always puts " check the checklist again" as the last item on her checklists.

[ManaMinori 4,144]

Well if Twilight had not come to Ponyville it would have been night time 24/7 under the rule of a Black Possessed Alicorn with big sister issues.

But she could've left after defeating NMM.she had made friends to help her do that, just as Celestia advised her to. No one said she had to stick around and cause more trouble for the Ponyvillians after NMM.

(and had she left after that, she could've been going on to make more friends outside the mane 6, in other cities, actually)

[The Awesome One 1,314]

I have not seen the citizens of Ponyvilles gather round Twilight's house with pitchforks and torches yet so I think they don't mind having her around.

[Singe 2,109]

While you make a totally valid point,which I can almost get behind ( blame the government ) Amethyst didn't get that title because she failed to see the bigger picture. And as a result, all the winter wrap-ups failed to happen on time. Amethyst got out organized by THE master organizer.

 

P.S. Twilights OCD may be an unfair advantage, but what are you gonna do? She always puts " check the checklist again" as the last item on her checklists.

 

Mayor Mare thought an inspirational speech was a better choice than putting Amethyst Star on site to manage the Winter Wrap-up to begin with. It goes back to being the mayor's fault for under utilizing the talented ponies at her disposal and choosing to manage it herself.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Singe

[Marimo 555]

The plundervines would have happened and affected Ponyville regardless of whether Discord was imprisoned or not, and regardless of whether Twilight moved to Ponyville.

 

Keeping an eye on him after he reformed wouldn't have changed things since this happened 1000 years before she was even born, and asking him for info would only make sense if she was psychic. She had no reason to suspect that Discord set something up over 1000 years before the start of the series that just took a long time to activate (even he didn't think it would take so long), he's not exactly the kind of guy who would be patient enough to set up some plan that takes a long, long time to activate, and the last time he spread chaos everywhere the EoH seemed to have cleaned everything up.

 

 

But she could've left after defeating NMM.she had made friends to help her do that, just as Celestia advised her to. No one said she had to stick around and cause more trouble for the Ponyvillians after NMM.

(and had she left after that, she could've been going on to make more friends outside the mane 6, in other cities, actually)

Discord still would have made Ponyville the chaos capital of the world, since that would still be back where it began.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Marimo

[Luna the Great of all the Russias 2,711]

But she could've left after defeating NMM.she had made friends to help her do that, just as Celestia advised her to. No one said she had to stick around and cause more trouble for the Ponyvillians after NMM.

(and had she left after that, she could've been going on to make more friends outside the mane 6, in other cities, actually)

Though some of your points are valid, we have to keep in mind that Celestia would have given Twilight same assignments such as completing Starswirl's spell, behaviour of villains are beyond anyone's control so they would have attacked Equestria anyway and Celestia would still have relied on Twilight, Parasprite issue would have been fixed had Fluttershy not kept one in her home, Twilight's contribution as organizer in Winter Wrap Up more than makes up for progress she erased, there's no way Twilight could have known that CMCs were intending to create love poison, and plundervines being removed is better than having plundervines still exist (no one said they had to be removed in specified time).

 

If Twilight is largely blamed for disasters happening in Ponyville, then same things would have probably happened wherever she chose to live and whatever friends she would have ended up making. But I don't see Twilight as an inherent problem, or if we're to say that she's influencing bad that occurs wherever she lives it's more to do with her relationship with Celestia and responsibilities she has as former student now princess.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Tsaritsa Luna

[Castle Bleck 19,174]

Well if Twilight had not come to Ponyville it would have been night time 24/7 under the rule of a Black Possessed Alicorn with big sister issues.

 

Then later on it would've been an apocalyptic tug-of-war between her, a hedonistic space genie, a lustful vampire queen, a hellish shadow king, and a violent devil-lich.

Edited May 31, 2015 by A.V.

[Singe 2,109]

This does show that Twilight Spakle stance about no evils in cutie marks isn't completely true. There are exceptions to the case when they can be negative like here where we see Twilight Sparkle and even some of the Mane 5 exhibit skills that can appear to be outside the scope of their cutie mark to overshadow other one skill cutie mark ponies.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Singe

[Fhaolan 4,468]

There is also the point that if Twilight had left Ponyville after the Mane6 took on the Elements of Harmony, the rest of the Mane6 would have had to leave with her in order to be effective. Or simply to remove the rest of the target. Twilight might be the bullseye mark of that crew, but the rest of the Mane6 are the rings around that, and would be prone to attracting trouble even without Twilight.

[UnknownFry 169]

Short answer, no. There are some things that Twilight is able to do that are unique to herself only, and she wanted to stay in Ponyville.

 

Long answer maybe but with certain stipulations, but I suppose the same could be said for any of the other mane 6 as well.

 

And no Twilight did not usurp Amethyst Star's position considering the position did not exist until Twilight came around and did her thing.

Edited May 31, 2015 by UnknownFry

[Mesme Rize 15,681]

If Twilight never came to Ponyville, it would've been much MUCH worse then it is now. Twilight is bound to the elements of harmony, so no Twilight, no elements and Discord would now reign supreme.

 

Also, if Amethyst Star was the head organizer of Ponyville, before Twilight Sparkle came, then she was to blame for the late winter wrap ups.

 

But what do i know? Nothing.

[Pastel 7,627]

Well if Twilight had not come to Ponyville it would have been night time 24/7 under the rule of a Black Possessed Alicorn with big sister issues.

Yeah, even though she did a lot of mistakes with her magic, she defeated Nightmare Moon.

Without Twilight, Nightmare Moon would be ruling Equestria.

[Cwanky 17,468]

Well if Twilight had not come to Ponyville it would have been night time 24/7 under the rule of a Black Possessed Alicorn with big sister issues.

Yes but imagine the midnight raves!! They'd go on past the crack of dawn because there'd be no dawn.

[Mesme Rize 15,681]

Also, why are we always talking about Twilights screwing stuff up? Maybe Ponyville would've been off better without Applejack, because she caused alot of tummy ache because of the baked bads? Maybe Ponyville would be better off without Fluttershy, because she has kept one of those parasprites in her cottage? Or maybe Ponyville would be better off without Pinkie Pie, because of the mirrorpool accident?

 

Seriously guys. Ponyville should get rid off the whole mane 6 and then we have no problems anymore.

[The Coffee Pony 1,390]

Also, why are we always talking about Twilights screwing stuff up? Maybe Ponyville would've been off better without Applejack, because she caused alot of tummy ache because of the baked bads? Maybe Ponyville would be better off without Fluttershy, because she has kept one of those parasprites in her cottage? Or maybe Ponyville would be better off without Pinkie Pie, because of the mirrorpool accident?

 

Seriously guys. Ponyville should get rid off the whole mane 6 and then we have no problems anymore.

 

But Hypnosparkle, who else would we complain about on a regular daily basis? DAMMIT MAN, WE NEED A SCAPEGOAT FOR EVEN THE VERY SLIGHTEST THINGS THAT GO WRONG!!

Edited May 31, 2015 by The Coffee Pony

[Mesme Rize 15,681]

But Hypnosparkle, who else would we complain about on a regular daily basis? DAMMIT MAN, WE NEED A SCAPEGOAT FOR EVEN THE VERY SLIGHTEST THINGS THAT GO WRONG!!

 

Let's blame it on the Mayor. She is a politician anyway.

 

 

MONEY.

[cmarston1 5,952]

Don't be so ridiculous.  Ponyville is soo much better off with Twilight then it ever was before.

Outside of y'know saving the world like 5 times (unless Ponyville is no longer part of the MLP FIM world anymore) she has done plenty of things to help out such as organizing winter wrap up to have it's very first on time performance in season 1.

But the main reason why Ponyville is not better off without Twilight is because she is the newest alicorn princess with a gigantic castle in the middle of town that is impossible to miss.  I am pretty sure that would give the town a crap ton of media attention and thus tourism would flourish.  That in turn would help stimulate the economy and make Ponyville a much wealthier town/community then it was ever before.

So basically:

Twilight=$$$$

No Twilight=

Edited June 1, 2015 by cmarston1

[ManaMinori 4,144]

Don't be so ridiculous.  Ponyville is soo much better off with Twilight then it ever was before.

Outside of y'know saving the world like 5 times (unless Ponyville is no longer part of the MLP FIM world anymore) she has done plenty of things to help out such as organizing winter wrap up to have it's very first on time performance in season 1.

But the main reason why Ponyville is not better off without Twilight is because she is the newest alicorn princess with a gigantic castle in the middle of town that is impossible to miss.  I am pretty sure that would give the town a crap ton of media attention and thus tourism would flourish.  That in turn would help stimulate the economy and make Ponyville a much wealthier town/community then it was ever before.

So basically:

Twilight=$$$$

No Twilight=

Ponyville was still able to wrap up Winter (though a bit late) without Twilight.

Saving the world is different from saving a backwater village like Ponyville. Celestia could've just as easily saved Ponyvillem and yanno  what? Maybe Ponyville wouldn't NEED saving so often if it weren't for Twi's antics bringing danger to the town, in the first place.

So Twi stimulates Ponyville's economy single-hoovedly? Riiiigh, and it's not as if Rainbow Dash's job as captain of the weather team in Ponyville doesn't get her enough bits, or most of all- Rarity's job, talent of finding gems, her generous nature, and her and making regulars of big names in other cities doesn't support Ponyville's economy on her own

[Xenomorphic 362]

Ponyville without Twilight  It would be bad.

[Mesme Rize 15,681]

Ponyville without Twilight  It would be bad.

 

 

You had a choice. WHY DIDN'T YOU LISTEN TO HER?

[Sidral Mundet 1,666]

On the whole, the Mane 6 have done more good for Ponyville and Equestria than bad, but I wouldn't mind it if some of the ponies held some resentment towards the Mane 6.  It be like a oil driller being upset about losing their jobs due to green technology. Sure it's definilty better for the planet and future generations, but it just cost someone their livelihood so them being biased against green tech is understandable.