Rarity more powerful than Trixie?

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

Her elegance and concentration are on high level in terms of magic she knows huge variety of spells and I think even more than twilight. 

 

Why do you think that Rarity knows more spells than Twilight?  

 

Though twilight actually studies her magic but i believe rarity is gifted with more power than we can even imagine

Once again, why do you believe this? 

[cider float 2,538]

Well her shooting magic beams in that episode sounds like sloppy writing because she never did. Unicorns had a collection of spells specific for them to give them character but now the writers messed it up by suddenly giving Rarity magic beams either that or it's just part of her dream that she can shoot magic beams. I would say Rarity is better with spells than Trixie though because Trixie is basically that unicorn that fakes being good but never was good. Also Trixie was using a spell that makes the victim writhe in agony on Rainbow Dash so it wasn't the magic beam attack.

Edited September 7, 2015 by cider float

[Gestum 2,493]

I noticed how Rarity can attack zombie dresses using magic beams

In a dream I might add. I have dreams in which I can fly, but I can't do it in the real world.

 

 

 

when Trixie tries to attack Rainbow Dash with a magic beam it ends up tickling her.

Perhaps it was her intention. It would probably be bad for business if she actually killed someone in the audience. 

 

 

 

She stops pillows launching fast at her with her magic and uses her magic to launch them just as fast back at Applejack.

She uses her magic to stop a moving item. How hard can it be? And it probably isn't that hard to use magic to throw a item either.

 

 

 

She has shown that she can levitate hundreds of objects with abreeze and we see twilight and others levitate only one or two at once.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXgD2EIqqO4  Start wacthing at 20:34. 

Edited September 7, 2015 by Gestum

[GuyNamedEarl 1,332]

Trixie is pretty much a show off who has little actual ability. Rarity has a lot of other spells that she can use.

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

Perhaps it was her intention. It would probably be bad for business if she actually killed someone in the audience.

 

I think he's talking about that episoder where Trixie takes over the town. However, I would need to see Rarity cast that spell before I'll accept that as proof that Rarity is better at magic than Trixie.

[BlinkZ 1,151]

Then again, she attacked those dresses in a dream. Who knows wether she could pull that off in an awake state?

 

In my opinion Rarity focuses on different magic that is more practical for her designer work. I don't think she's even interested in knowing spells for combat.

Well both Rarity and Twilight cna leveate more then one thing at a time with pericision. Trixie as far as we have seen did fireworks.

[Gestum 2,493]

I think he's talking about that episoder where Trixie takes over the town. However, I would need to see Rarity cast that spell before I'll accept that as proof that Rarity is better at magic than Trixie.

Ah,my bad.Haven't seen those episodes in a long time.

 

Anyway perhaps she didn't want to kill Rainbow Dash. Trixie is a jerk,but I don't think that she's a murder.

 

Here's a fun thought, perhaps Rarity tried to use Trixies spell but failed at it.

[silvadel 1,393]

Rarity was Bon Bon's former contact in the Equestrian Secret Service.  She has the dress shop as a cover.

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

Rarity was Bon Bon's former contact in the Equestrian Secret Service.  She has the dress shop as a cover.

And your proof of this is...?

[gamecubeguy214 2,512]

I noticed how Rarity can attack zombie dresses using magic beams (Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep), but when Trixie tries to attack Rainbow Dash with a magic beam it ends up tickling her. (Magic Duel). My theory is that Rarity has more raw power than Trixie, but doesn't know how to utilize it. Trixie on the other hoof probably studied spells, but doesn't have enough magical muscle to pull it off, thus explaining all of her spells under the alicorn amulet. (It only granted the user power, not knowledge)

But all this happened in a dream. You obviously weren't paying attention to the episode. If they were awake, your theory would be great. However, since they were in a dream, I think you should watch the episode again and pay a bit more attention.

Edited September 7, 2015 by gamecubeguy214

[ThePiDay 340]

Nopony is more powerful than the Great and Powerful Trixie!

 

 

But seriously now, I think they're both powerful in their own way.

[SilverComet 170]

Rarity was Bon Bon's former contact in the Equestrian Secret Service.  She has the dress shop as a cover.

 

WRONG!

 

 

Rarity: "Sorry. You just missed her. But you're still in luck. I'm having a huge sale of some of my best designs."

Sweetie Drops: "And you are...?"

Rarity: "Rarity, of course".

Sweetie Drops: "Never heard of you".

 

Source: Transcript of S1E20

mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Transcripts/Green_Isn't_Your_Color

 

Also, Rarity did not behaved like someone who had "worked in secret for Celestia" at the coldstart of "Sweet and Elite" [s2E09]; kissing her hooves just for a nice room in the Castle Tower.

Edited September 8, 2015 by SilverComet

[Unlikeable Pony 2,699]

I second the idea that Rarity has alot of Inner magic, but no actual skill with it, like a person who's physically strong but never practiced martial arts or sports. Its a common idea in magical fantasy fiction for mages to have inner reserves of magic that controls how powerful their spells are, but CONTROL and knowing spells is a fully mental thing, so you could have a incredibly powerful mage who only knows a single spell unless they train.
Anyways, as for rarity using lasers, there's also the comics, where she's shown to use lasers a good number of times for either fighting or simple emergencies (like knocking over a water tower to help douse a fire)

 

as for the "Unicorns only know 1 spell from their cutie mark!", that seems to be ignore alot of the time, as while most unicorns aren't Twilight tier, we've seen lots of unicorns who know multiple spells and learning new spells is done a number of times by various unicorns. So I tend to chalk that up to "Season 1/Faust isn't here anymore" for the explanation for that statement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One thing about Trixie though: I don't think Trixie WANTS to be a great and powerful wizard, not REALLY. She's a show performer, a stage magician. She's not trying to learn spells to become some magical hero, she's just there to put on an act and entertain people: She wants to have an audience and make people cheer and have a good time, yeah? Being "Great and powerful" is her act, she doesn't want to work her entire life in a library just so she can journey into the wilderness and fight a monster.
Trixie would probably be *HORRIBLY* unhappy in life if she put herself to work becoming a powerful unicorn, she wants to learn sleight of hand, misdirection and stage tricks to be a star. Its like having a theater actor in a D&D world: that person doesn't want to become a great warrior and fight monsters just because they star as a fabled warrior on stage.

[AlbaTross 1,586]

I would say that both Rarity and Trixie could be great at magic, but just haven't honed their skills in that field. I don't think Trixie has studied magic for its own sake. I think she's more concerned with magic that can assist her in her acts, so it seems safe to assume that she would be focused purely on stuff that could wow crowds. She has been ousted as a fraud, but that's mostly due to her making up stories about what she has done, when in reality she's just a stage performer. At the end of the day, she specializes in illusions among other things. There's a time and place for magic like that, and it's on stage.

 

Likewise, Rarity has studied magic that is relevant to her lifestyle and profession. If there is one thing she has proven it's that she's insanely good at levitation magic. While she hasn't levitated anything larger than a roll of fabric, those things aren't exactly tiny and her ability to levitate and use multiple items at once seems to rival what we've seen from Twilight. Sure Rarity's no Alicorn, but being able to lift multiple rolls of fabric with her magic and cut them into patterns is at least as intense as Twilight lifting multiple books and flipping their pages. However, all of Rarity's magic skills are skills she can use as a seamstress. Being able to find jewels is also a relevant skill as she uses them in outfits. Even being able to hold multiple shopping bags is a useful skill. That said, she will never know as many different spells as Twilight because she just hasn't dedicated herself to the art of magic for its own sake.

 

Given what we know, comparing the skills of Trixie and Rarity is like comparing apples and oranges (no pun intended). They both have magic skills relevant to their profession, and in that sense they're also kind of in the same boat. Neither will become a powerful sorceress like Twilight because their calling in life is not the same. If Trixie wants to wow a crowd she doesn't need to go out hunting for jewels, and likewise Rarity does not need to know how to disappear in a cloud of smoke. Neither of them need to know how to fire offensive spells. If I had to give one of them an edge I'd go with Rarity largely because her skills actually are impressive whereas Trixie's magic is based on fooling the crowd into thinking she's more impressive than she actually is. However, that once again comes down to their respective choices of profession.

[Red Cedar 1,408]

I noticed how Rarity can attack zombie dresses using magic beams (Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep), but when Trixie tries to attack Rainbow Dash with a magic beam it ends up tickling her. (Magic Duel). My theory is that Rarity has more raw power than Trixie, but doesn't know how to utilize it. Trixie on the other hoof probably studied spells, but doesn't have enough magical muscle to pull it off, thus explaining all of her spells under the alicorn amulet. (It only granted the user power, not knowledge)

 

Rarity only attacked the dresses in a dream. While it could be extrapolated that because she used that ability in a dream she knows the spell when she's awake as well, she has, overall, shown very little magical ability, especially compared to Twilight. Beyond telekinesis and her spell for finding gems, she doesn't do much magically.

 

Trixie, on the other hand, does use magic extensively, even if it is mostly for show. (Although not in the show, Lauren Faust once mentioned Trixie attended Celestia's school, whereas Rarity quite obviously did not.) I think the only reason Trixie tickled Rainbow Dash rather than causing her grievous bodily harm was due to the show's rating. She certainly had less and less concern for the well being of the residents of Ponyville the longer she wore the amulet.

[user1342342 143]

I'll just drop this here, for those saying Trixie has no magical ability. 

 

https://twitter.com/fyre_flye/status/329794603354030080

 

 

Trixie would probably be *HORRIBLY* unhappy in life if she put herself to work becoming a powerful unicorn

 

I really don't think self improvement would make her unhappy. Everybody has to work hard to be better, why would she just stop learning? Don't you think the same magic show would get boring? Trixie could easily be a great magic user.

 

 

 

she wants to learn sleight of hand, misdirection and stage tricks to be a star

 

 

Trixie uses real magic, not stage tricks like we see IRL. Why do people think this? When was she doing tricks as opposed to magic?

[FrozenSpark 47]

 

 

Trixie uses real magic, not stage tricks like we see IRL. Why do people think this? When was she doing tricks as opposed to magic?

 

She does use magic no doubt about it but she did lie about ursa minor to gain popularity, that counts as a trick and in the other episode she did use a powerful amulet which also counts as a trick because she did not earned that power she just payed gold for it, thats why she is associated with the word trick, not to mention she failed to create something beautiful as Rarity did so all that bragging about how she can do anything better was a also a lie and lying is associated with tricking.

[user1342342 143]

She does use magic no doubt about it but she did lie about ursa minor to gain popularity, that counts as a trick and in the other episode she did use a powerful amulet which also counts as a trick because she did not earned that power she just payed gold for it, thats why she is associated with the word trick, not to mention she failed to create something beautiful as Rarity did so all that bragging about how she can do anything better was a also a lie and lying is associated with tricking.

 

Lying isn't a trick, and neither is wearing an amulet. She isn't as powerful as she claimed to be, but still more gifted at magic than Rarity. 

[FrozenSpark 47]

Lying isn't a trick, and neither is wearing an amulet. She isn't as powerful as she claimed to be, but still more gifted at magic than Rarity. 

Rarity created something beautiful she created something ugly, the objective was to do better than Rarity not to humiliate her so she failed to prove herself.

Edited September 8, 2015 by FrozenSpark

[CheeryFox 23,822]

Rarity probably does lack spell knowledge compared to Trix. ... Rarity more powerful than Trixie? 

 

Absolutely. 

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[BlinkZ 1,151]

As other have said Trixie is and always will be a performer, her magic is moslty focue on illusion or other such stuff. Her summonsing those flower in boast busters was probalbya focused teleport spell from somewher backstage. Either thator she literaly created flowers out of nothing, given magic that also a possibilty i mean Discord can do that. althugh I"m still with the former.

 

Rarity talents of course are more for her work thus able t float muliple objects at once nad having the stamina to focus on holding said objects. Not to mention she had ot stnado n her hind hoves for hours on end.

[sweetolebob18 728]

Pointing to Episode 65 Magical Mystery Cure, Rarity has more raw power than you'd think.  IMO, it is more lack of training than lack of power that keeps Rarity from being a great wizard

[They call me Loyalty 1,949]

That wouldn't take much effort, but basically, yeah.

[deadprofile 1,122]

I actually believe both ponies on are equal ground. This has nothing to do with raw power. As it seems to show over and over, Unicorns are powerful in general. Comparing them to one another shows nothing. Twilight is the best example of this, and she even points it out in the Cutie Mark Chronicles. If she wasn't "shocked" into displaying her raw power, then that would ultimately remain untapped, but she would most likely still be able to do all the magic she's shown before she became an alicorn (being an alicorn now, I am not sure of where her raw power lies in comparison to a unicorn, i.e. she must more raw power now with her tranformation).

Rarity and Trixie can both leviate, and as Trixie has shown, she can do it without breaking a sweat levitating multiple animals, whereas we have seen Twilight's ability in levitation grow throughout the 5 seasons. In her initial appearance, we don't see Trixie's real power outside of her "show" and Twilight visibly struggled to levitate not only the Ursa Minor, but also everything else. Rarity can levitate many things, but nearly everything is light (being fabric and sewing stuff). We haven't seen Trixie do much "real magic" outside her corruption with the Alicorn Amulet and her stage acts. Rarity's ability is refined for her craft, and doesn't resort to magic in times of desperation (fighting and fleeing). She uses her hooves to do that. With Trixie, it's not known what she does with her magic outside of her stage performances (outside of leviating objects, which every unicorn seems to do on a regular basis). But at that point, we have to throw other unicorns in, and ask where their ability lies in comparision to Trixie and Rarity.....

It all boils down to "it's not what you know, but how you use it."   Trixie and Rarity both strongly demonstrate how they use their abilities. And in regards to the bit of wisdom I mentioned, Rarity knows how to use her ability to the fullest in regards to her craft....With Trixie, it's honestly hard to tell, but because of that ambiguity, I would say that Rarity is better at knowing how to use magic than Trixie is.

Edited September 18, 2015 by Treble Bolt

[Chara 1,565]

I see where you are going, but Rarity was in a dream and you can dream of what ever you want.