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[Guest]

 

 

How am I resisting a change by saying that I don't like it? Am I supposed to change my opinions on things because they get contradicted? Or must I shut up if my opinions are different than yours? I don't even know how to resist something in a conversation, as if I could change it, somehow, by saying I don't like it. I'm not going out of my way either. I'm doing something that I like: talking about ponies on the internet on my free time, and the subject of being born an alicorn is relevant. At least I was.

 

You could wait for the episode and see their explanation before judging, that's an idea.

 

 

 

The top half of your paragraph is still a strawman. What happened with Vinyl's eye color caught people by surprise, but they stopped caring, because Vinyl's fur color's a soft cream, and the sharp red eye color makes no sense.

 

Ehhh... I still kind of disagree. It stirred up enough of a fuss to get a petition made, so I'd say it's still a valid argument to say that people made a big deal over nothing. Not every argument of "stop making a big deal out of nothing" is a flawed argument. Sometimes people legitimately make a huge deal out of absolutely nothing.

 

 

 

But a lot of bronies despised the Twilicorn and the EQG franchise for many good reasons

 

 

And many of them despised it for very poor reasons. So the argument still stands.

 

 

 

Fighting back a bad argument doesn't equate resisting a change; you're hurting your own argument by encircling the fallacy like a vulture.

 

Once again: so far no one has presented a good reason for why the change is bad besides "This isn't how I understand Alicorns to work" and we have not even been given an explanation to this new Alicorn. For all we know Hasbro could come up with a very believable and interesting explanation. I'm just saying to already be dismissing the character and trying to think of every way to get out of their existence is kind of being closed minded for the sake of protection of head canon. No one here has any explanation for how this character is an Alicorn or her capabilities yet, and there is no 100% official explanation on Alicorns yet, so for anyone here to assert that this will be a bad choice before the episode even airs is being overly dramatic and trying to protect their head canon.

 

My argument is more or less: wait for the episode before you assume this was a terrible decision. I think that is a completely fair assessment as well because right now, it's basically getting upset over a decision that we have not even heard the explanation for.

 

 

 

So much that they're as powerful as half the population of Equestria? Yes it is. And for Twilight and Caddy (who provided the other half of that power) that explanation make even less sense.

 

How many other unicorns do we see actively practicing magic as much as the ones who do any of the fights? VERY VERY VERY FEW. So is it far fetched to say that the ones who do are exceptionally strong because no one else really practices as much as they do. Most unicorns seem to just get enough of an understanding of magic to carry on their day to day lives. 

 

 

Twilight's ascension is beyond wings. There's symbolism to an alicorn. In Equestria, an alicorn automatically translates to royalty;

 

This part I agree with. As far as we can see being an Alicorn is a sign of royalty, almost a tradition really. However does that mean that Alicorns are MADE powerful, or are they chosen BECAUSE they are powerful? We don't know.

[ShadOBabe 18,997]

ONLY thing bugging me right now is the job I'm going to need to do deciding on some specific headcanons.

But I can totally make this work. Also...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 29, 2016 by ShadOBabe

[Megas 27,618]

I still don't understand the logic behind alicorns and how they work/are created, but I think McFlurry being an alicorn should easily be understandable by now, with just a simple "her mom is an alicorn" explanation. I don't know why so many people would have a problem with that

 

 

 

None of EQG's films have done anything to be a good spinoff

 

Which is why so many fans hated Rainbow Rocks and Sunset Shimmer, and the spinoff series still has little to no fans

 

oh wait

Edited January 29, 2016 by Megas

[Dark Qiviut 22,393]

Which is why so many fans hated Rainbow Rocks and Sunset Shimmer, and the spinoff series still has little to no fans

 

oh wait

Your sarcasm ain't getting by with me. Just because so many people like Rainbow Rocks, Sunset Shimmer, and the spinoff now doesn't mean the quality is good.

Edited January 29, 2016 by Dark Qiviut

[Celli 4,338]

I myself am indifferent to this new foal. I'm not gonna go up in arms about it, but I'm not going to pretend that it's going to turn out amazing, either. I won't judge til I've seen it.

I still think the baby is cute, though.

[Megas 27,618]

Your sarcasm ain't getting by with me. Just because so many people like Rainbow Rocks, Sunset Shimmer, and the spinoff now doesn't mean the quality is good.

Just because you don't think it's good doesn't mean it isn't. It still has tons of fans, gets positive reception and is still a successful franchise for Hasbro. It's obviously doing something right

[ShadOBabe 18,997]

Stupid little magic feather horse... she's making me draw her, and nothing can stop it...

DAMN YOU FLURRY HEEEEEEEEART!! I got other things to DO!!  :=:

[Zhortac 1,474]

Behold! I have created the first OC based on this mutant!

[Guest]

Your sarcasm ain't getting by with me. Just because so many people like Rainbow Rocks, Sunset Shimmer, and the spinoff now doesn't mean the quality is good.

 

I kind of have to disagree, the quality is subjective. What you mean to say is that it's not an intelligent spin off. I.e. it's not thought provoking, or anything like that. To say the quality is bad is kind of saying that there is a universal determination of "good" and "bad" when there is not. I will DEFINITELY agree though that EQG is not thought provoking nor does it make me think it's got deeper connotations or meaning. However if I were to say the quality was not good, I would be arguing an unwinnable point.

 

Quality wise:

 

• The animation is just as top notch as MLP.
• Almost as many people like it.
• It was just as big a market success.
• It got very comparable ratings to MLP.
• It has a soundtrack that is almost equally praised.

At that point to argue low quality becomes apples and oranges. A lot of the "quality" points of MLP are subjective, so you'd be more or less breaking it into an argument of "My opinion is more opiniony than your opinion."

 

Equestria Girls has been a big market success for Hasbro and is a growing franchise. It's not shrinking, so people must like it. As much as it isn't as thought provoking as MLP at times, we can not simply write it off as a bad spin off because it is in fact a spin off. It is not necessarily intended to share the qualities of MLP except the characters and name. It has a different focus, a different target, and a different approach. Naturally it will reach different results.

 

I try to avoid saying anything is low quality just because there is a vocal minority that loathes it, just like I do with Call of Duty. Many people will criticize Call of Duty as being "stale" and "rehashed" and "crap". However Call of Duty manages to break world records regularly for sales and reception. Many people will then write it off by saying the fans are "simple" and "don't know quality", which I've seen in regards to Equestria Girls as well.

[SBaby 660]

Hey, I'm just happy that this finally puts an end to the notion that 'Celestia is the one that creates Alicorns'.

Edited January 29, 2016 by SBaby

[ManaMinori 4,145]

Just because Princess Pampers has wings and a horn doesn't necessarily make her an Alicorn. Not unless she's also got earth pony powers, and is canonicaly called an alicorn. Until she is, I choose to believe she's merely a pegacorn. Shining is a unicorn. Cadence is ...or was, rather, born a pegasus. It would make sense if the baby got both genes that mixes dominant horn AND wings traits, and turned out a pegacorn. Would be nice to be thrown a twist, gor a change. Introducing a new subsepcies, and giving us an alicorn looking character without said character actuallly BEING one

[ShadOBabe 18,997]

Hey, I'm just happy that this finally puts the notion that 'Celestia is the one that creates Alicorns' to rest once and for all.

 

That was a thing? My thoughts were always that there were born AND ascended alicorns. Luna and Celestia were born, Cadence and Twilight were ascended. And now we know that ascended alicorns can give birth to alicorns themselves. Now the only thing I need to decide for my stories and headcanon is if Flurry will be immortal or not.

 

They certainly won't address that in the show. And I doubt the show will even go on long enough for us to even get to see her cutiemark.

Edited January 29, 2016 by ShadOBabe

[SBaby 660]

That was a thing? My thoughts was always that there were born AND ascended alicorns. Luna and Celestia were born, Cadence and Twilight were ascended. And now we know that ascended alicorns can give birth to alicorns themselves. Now the only thing I need to decide for my stories and headcanon is if Flurry will be immortal or not.

Yeah, there have been people on this site, and other sites that were adamant that this was the case, and they would spend hours explaining why they were right about it. It was pretty widespread too, in that there were many fans that believed Celestia was the only means by which an Alicorn could come into being.

 

Well, those arguments just got blown completely out of the water from a simple 26-second clip.

Edited January 29, 2016 by SBaby

[OtakuBrony 349]

Howdy all!

 

OH! EM! GEE!

 

That teaser is freaking AWESOME!!

 

Flurry Heart is gosh darned ADORABLE!!

 

Cant wait fer the S6 opener this Spring.

 

See ya!

[ShadOBabe 18,997]

Yeah, there have been people on this site, and other sites that were adamant that this was the case, and they would spend hours explaining why they were right about it. It was pretty widespread too, in that there were many fans that believed Celestia was the only means by which an Alicorn could come into being.

 

Well, those arguments just got blown completely out of the water from a simple 26-second clip.

 

I'm like Celestia's biggest fangirl and think she's friggin' epic. And that's dumb.

Celestia didn't even MAKE Twilight and Cadence into alicorns. She may have kickstarted the transformation, but the girls made that transformation possible in the first place. Though I'm still toying with the possibility that Celestia deliberately set Twilight on the path to unlocking that potential.

Edited January 29, 2016 by ShadOBabe

[SBaby 660]

I'm like Celestia's biggest fangirl and think she's friggin' epic. And that's dumb.

Celestia didn't even MAKE Twilight and Cadence into alicorns. She may have kickstarted the transformation, but the girls made that transformation possible in the first place. Though I'm still toying with the possibility that Celestia deliberately set Twilight on the path to unlocking that potential.

 

I'm not going to deny that Celestia might have known that Twilight was going to become an Alicorn.  That, I'm fine with.  Even if it's a Dragonball Z-esque 'sense power levels' kind of explanation.  

 

But as you said, I don't believe she turned Twilight into one.  What Twilight saw was likely a manifestation brought about by her inner psyche.  From her perspective, the sequence took several minutes, but from the perspectives of the ponies outside of the field, the change was virtually instantaneous.  It's a similar principle that allowed the creation of their Elements of Harmony, as well as the Rainbow Powers.  Honestly, it's pretty clever storytelling, especially for a show like this.

 

And with this new clip, it's becoming increasingly likely that this is in fact what happened when she turned into one.

Edited January 29, 2016 by SBaby

[ShadOBabe 18,997]

OMG!! IDEA!!!

 

MAKE IT GROGAR!! Grogar for Season 6 villain!!

And kickstart his appearance by kidnapping an infant alicorn!! 8D

 

I WILL PAY TO SEE THIS!! 

Edited January 29, 2016 by ShadOBabe

[Artimis Whooves 1,576]

Is that who princess skyla is?

[ShadOBabe 18,997]

Is that who princess skyla is?

 

No Princess Skyla was pink and had yellow in her mane.

This baby (Flurry Heart) is white with blue in her mane.

 

My headcanon will be that Skyla is their next daughter. XD

Edited January 29, 2016 by ShadOBabe

[Metemponychosis 1,261]

 

 

You could wait for the episode and see their explanation before judging, that's an idea.

No. I''m talking about this teaser, not the episode. When the episode comes up, I'll talk about the episode. You're free to call me on the things I got wrong, though.

[ManaMinori 4,145]

Hey, I'm just happy that this finally puts an end to the notion that 'Celestia is the one that creates Alicorns'.

when has Sunbutt ever created an alicorn? Never, that's when.

 

It's a common misconception that Sunbutt turned Twi and Cadance into alicorn, but it's wrong, and needs to be put to rest.

 

This thread (specifically under "Twilight's Transformation" in th op explains that Twi turned herself into an alicorn. And under the same logic, so did Cadance, in the chapter book, "the crystal heart spell". https://mlpforums.com/topic/50078-the-purpose-of-starswirls-spell-and-the-nature-of-twilights-transformation/

[ShadOBabe 18,997]

when has Sunbutt ever created an alicorn? Never, that's when.

 

It's a common misconception that Sunbutt turned Twi and Cadance into alicorn, but it's wrong, and needs to be put to rest.

 

This thread (specifically under "Twilight's Transformation" in th op explains that Twi turned herself into an alicorn. And under the same logic, so did Cadance, in the chapter book, "the crystal heart spell". https://mlpforums.com/topic/50078-the-purpose-of-starswirls-spell-and-the-nature-of-twilights-transformation/

 

I already said this. But in a far less rude and huffy manner.

[Radiance64 7,053]

It's the babby, an alicorn babby.

Surprised they changed it from Skyla, rather pleasantly actually. Can't wait to see her more in action.

[Gamer_KM 90]

What's funny is I just finished my Alicorn OC (mary sue) This...kinda scares me/

What's funny is I just finished my Alicorn OC (mary sue) This...kinda scares me/

[cuteycindyhoney 13,306]

You stating you were making an observation doesn't change the fact it's a strawman. KillRoy dismissed their arguments against Keep Calm and MMC without actually analyzing why. Obsession, on the other hand, I would listen to if his comments didn't become personal; his complaints against the episode were valid, but his abuse killed his whole opinion.

 

Twilight's ascension is beyond wings. There's symbolism to an alicorn. In Equestria, an alicorn automatically translates to royalty; what they say and do affects everybody around them. Their actions have so much power. Plus, Twilight's class status changed from the common pony to one of the elite. All on the basis that she matured in her magical studies and behavior. Unfortunately, season four did nothing to help alleviate the critics' criticisms of her by keeping her status confined until the last quarter. Fortunately, season five took advantage of Twilight's status and growth far more. So for Twilight to become an alicorn is an enormous deal, and it wasn't executed well. It's not the change itself that pissed a lot of bronies off, but the quality of it.

Strawman: a sham argument set up to be defeated.

My original statement in this thread...

 

 

Don't forget the Brouhaha over Twilight's ascension! There were many cries of "I'm leaving the fandom!" over that.

No sir, it isn't a Strawman argument if you mentioned something that you observed. Google Alicorn Twilight Hate, and you'll see thousands of memes made by people who don't like Twilight becoming a winged princess. It doesn't matter why. I don't even care why. It could be because like Trixy with wheels, they don't trust wings. Who knows? It doesn't matter if you poke holes in their arguments. It means exactly what I stated. There were plenty of Bronies that didn't like it for whatever crazy reason. In no way shape or form is my original statement a shame argument. All I said was that a lot of bronies didn't like it when Twilight became a princess. That, my friend, isn't a strawman argument. It's a simple statement of observed fact. You're just using "strawman" to be synonymous with "You're wrong!" 

Edited January 29, 2016 by cuteycindyhoney