spoiler What if for a major plot twist of Starlight Glimmer...

[SBaby 660]

Obviously discord isn't the omnipotent god people thought he was, his powers have limits and Tirek proved that by making him his bitch.

 

No, I don't really buy it, especially when he can strip the powers from multiple ponies and change the physics of an entire world, all at the same time.  Doing this to one single target wouldn't be a big deal to him at all.  You can't just re-write the cosmology of an established world or character to make a more convenient plotline, because you're going to have people question it.

 

But either way, it doesn't change my point that if Starlight were to turn evil again, it wouldn't be that interesting, since we've already seen both an evil and good side to her.

Edited July 7, 2016 by SBaby

[user1342342 143]

No, I don't really buy it, especially when he can strip the powers from multiple ponies and change the physics of an entire world, all at the same time.  Doing this to one single target wouldn't be a big deal to him at all.  You can't just re-write the cosmology of an established world or character to make a more convenient plotline, because you're going to have people question it.

 

But either way, it doesn't change my point that if Starlight were to turn evil again, it wouldn't be that interesting, since we've already seen both an evil and good side to her.

 

That's why he was beat by a bunch of ponies with friendship. The fact is, Discord couldn't do anything against Tirek when he absorbed the magic from the pony population, he doesn't have limitless powers. This means that most of the ponies > discord.

 

The thing is though, nothing she did actually happened outside of what happened in the premiere of S5, which she was already punished for (by being run out of town).  If you punish her for things she did in an alternate timeline then you start going into the whole 'future crime' territory, questioning the morality of whether it's acceptable to punish someone for a crime they haven't committed.  And it also questions just how far they'd allow something like that to go.  For example, if they allow that to happen, what's to stop them from punishing someone who's simply thinking about committing a crime?

 

 

Are you seriously trying to defend that little sow? 

[SBaby 660]

 

 

That's why he was beat by a bunch of ponies with friendship.

 

He was beaten by a bunch of ponies that wielded a magical solve-all-of-life's-problems MacGuffin.  Yet he was still able to influence them to the point where he had turned five of them on Twilight, and screwed up the world all at the same time.  It should also be noted that such a MacGuffin was also used to defeat Tirek. 

 

Now let's apply some basic logic.  If the wielders of the MacGuffin can be affected by Discord's power, then another being that is weaker than the MacGuffin would also be affected by such power.

 

 

 

 

Are you seriously trying to defend that little sow?

 

Not really.  But the fact is, none of what we saw in the finale of Season 5 actually happened in any official sense, because the timeline was fixed at the end.  So you'd essentially be punishing her for things that never took place.

[user1342342 143]

He was beaten by a bunch of ponies that wielded a magical solve-all-of-life's-problems MacGuffin.  Yet he was still able to influence them to the point where he had turned five of them on Twilight, and screwed up the world all at the same time.  It should also be noted that such a MacGuffin was also used to defeat Tirek. 

 

Now let's apply some basic logic.  If the wielders of the MacGuffin can be affected by Discord's power, then another being that is weaker than the MacGuffin would also be affected by such power.

 

 

 

Discord still failed in the end, and the "MacGuffin" doesn't necessarily overpower you, it's like you said, it just solves everything. It could have just sucked the power out of him. Anyway, the show made it clear in this scene that Discord was powerless to stop Tirek, he couldn't just snap his fingers and win. 

 

 

 

Not really.  But the fact is, none of what we saw in the finale of Season 5 actually happened in any official sense, because the timeline was fixed at the end.  So you'd essentially be punishing her for things that never took place.

 

 

The fact is, Starlight manipulated time for her own selfish desires, attempted to harm and ruin the mane six's lives. That alone is a huge deal, not counting all of the brainwashing and manipulation she's done in the past, or the entire year she spent holding a grudge and plotting revenge.

[Cleverclover 1,526]

 

 

I'm so sick of seeing Starlight in the series because ever since The Cutie Re-Mark, we've had this bitch constantly shoved down our throats all to remind us that she exists and she so goddamn powerful and perfect and awesome because she exists.

 

No, that's what we thought would happen. 

 

Instead, we got an occasionally-recurring character who only appears when it's convenient for Twilight, and who still lacks a place within the mane six's dynamic.   

[SBaby 660]

The fact is, Starlight manipulated time for her own selfish desires, attempted to harm and ruin the mane six's lives. That alone is a huge deal, not counting all of the brainwashing and manipulation she's done in the past, or the entire year she spent holding a grudge and plotting revenge.

 

Ok, and who exactly witnessed this?  For that matter, what evidence is there that she committed any crime?  We have the testimony of one pony against the testimony of another pony.  This is a clear example of what is known as hearsay.  If there is no physical evidence that a crime was committed, and no victims exist, then there is no case.  It's as simple as that.  That's why trying to prosecute her on any kind of charge would be pretty much impossible. 

Edited July 8, 2016 by SBaby

[user1342342 143]

Ok, and who exactly witnessed this?  For that matter, what evidence is there that she committed any crime?  We have the testimony of one pony against the testimony of another pony.  This is a clear example of what is known as hearsay.  If there is no physical evidence that a crime was committed, and no victims exist, then there is no case.  It's as simple as that.  That's why trying to prosecute her on any kind of charge would be pretty much impossible. 

 

She attacked them with magic, spent a whole year trying to get dirt on them for revenge, tried RUINING their lives by means of manipulating time. This is like forgiving someone who attempted murder because they failed to murder anyone. 

[SBaby 660]

She attacked them with magic, spent a whole year trying to get dirt on them for revenge, tried RUINING their lives by means of manipulating time. This is like forgiving someone who attempted murder because they failed to murder anyone.

 

So she gets arrested for getting information about someone?  That's somehow illegal?  If that was all it took to get put in jail, half the population of the US (as well as every politician and news anchor) would be behind bars right now.

 

The bottom line is this.  No crime was actually committed in the finale, because by the end of it, nothing we saw actually happened.  The only crime that was ever committed that still stands was in the premiere, which she got caught on and paid for.

Edited July 13, 2016 by Yellow Diamond

[user1342342 143]

So she gets arrested for getting information about someone?  That's somehow illegal?  If that was all it took to get put in jail, half the population of the US would be behind bars right now.

 

No, but she was obsessive over revenge. That's why she spent all of that time planning for it. lol, and people say Trixie was petty in her little rampage with the amulet, I bet you're not so willing to forgive her. 

 

 

 

The bottom line is this.  No crime was actually committed in the finale, because by the end of it, nothing we saw actually happened.  The only crime that was ever committed that still stands was in the premiere, which she got caught on and paid for.

 

 

 

 

This is like forgiving someone who attempted murder because they failed to murder anyone. 

 

 

Star-twinkle mcspecialmuffin didn't pay for jack, she was arguably rewarded.

[SBaby 660]

No, but she was obsessive over revenge. That's why she spent all of that time planning for it. lol, and people say Trixie was petty in her little rampage with the amulet, I bet you're not so willing to forgive her.

 

She got run out of town, just like Starlight did, essentially twice.  The only real difference (if you call it a difference) is the length of time it took for Trixie to apologize for her actions as opposed to Starlight.  But honestly, I've never really had a problem with Trixie.  She had one romp with a MacGuffin, and Starlight had one romp with her MacGuffin.  They both made amends, and that was that.  Villains get redeemed all the time in the show. 

 

Yeah, if you were trying to imply with this last post that I was a hypocrite who forgives one of them and not the other, you're barking up the wrong tree.  I actually really like Trixie's character, so that's not happening.

 

Anyway, this is all why I don't believe she'll go heel again.  I just don't see a character who was formerly a villain becoming a villain again.

Edited July 8, 2016 by SBaby

[Aurora Glimmer 494]

Eh, her having been faking it this whole time wouldn't make sense as she does seem to be genuinely trying to learn what she can about friendship. However, I can see her relapsing as she's already been shown to have poor impulse control. She's also been shown to be frustrated with Twilight's methods of teaching friendship and she's being constantly beat over the head with snide comments about what she's done in the past. I wonder if she's gonna have a snapping moment.

 

I think that people are wondering about her reformation and how genuine it is because it doesn't feel genuine. Remember how we all felt about Sunset Shimmer's about-face at the end of Equestria Girls? Yeah, that. The point is that Starlight Glimmer has never had to earn anything. She didn't earn her friends, she didn't earn her power; everything about her was just handed to her by the writers in an attempt to give us yet another foil to Twilight. At least Twilight has been shown earning her friendships with others, at least she's been shown acquiring new skills with her magic, it all feels real because we're able to see her highs and lows. With Starlight, all we see are her highs. She doesn't feel real because, as I said, everything is handed to her by the writers. People are so invested in seeing her punished for her actions because it would be a shred of realism to a character that is so wholly unrealistic. Everyone who as a former antagonist has had to earn their redemption. Luna, Discord, Sunset Shimmer; even Gilda and Trixie. But of course, Starlight gets to sidestep all that mess. I'm so sick of seeing Starlight in the series because ever since The Cutie Re-Mark, we've had this bitch constantly shoved down our throats all to remind us that she exists and she so goddamn powerful and perfect and awesome because she exists.

The writers shot themselves in the foot when they redeemed Starlight Glimmer through a montage. Those scenes of her bonding with the Mane Six and making amends with the Equal Four could've been episodes unto themselves and seeing Starlight actually working to earn the trust and friendship of the Mane Six would've done a lot to alleviate the problems you describe.

Edited July 8, 2016 by Silvestra Spooner

[SBaby 660]

The writers shot themselves in the foot when they redeemed Starlight Glimmer through a montage. Those scenes of her bonding with the Mane Six and making amends with the Equal Four could've been episodes unto themselves and seeing Starlight actually working to earn the trust and friendship of the Mane Six would've done a lot to alleviate the problems you describe.

 

I do agree with this.  This is another example of how these arcs really need to have an extra episode or two devoted to them.  They can't just 'montage' the problem away, especially in a show that has an ongoing continuity.

 

This was the problem they ran into with MMC, Return of Harmony and A Canterlot Wedding.  It was like time constraints forced them to abridge events.

 

If Hasbro gave me creative control and one month to plan, I could show you how to write arcs like this more effectively.

Edited July 9, 2016 by SBaby

[Summer Wish 102]

The major twist...

 

She was Aria blazes bastard daughter all along!!!

 

(ignore the siren/pony genetic traits! THEY LOOK ALMOST EXACTLY ALIKE....COME ON!)

 

 

I think that people are wondering about her reformation and how genuine it is because it doesn't feel genuine. Remember how we all felt about Sunset Shimmer's about-face at the end of Equestria Girls? Yeah, that. The point is that Starlight Glimmer has never had to earn anything. She didn't earn her friends, she didn't earn her power; everything about her was just handed to her by the writers in an attempt to give us yet another foil to Twilight. At least Twilight has been shown earning her friendships with others, at least she's been shown acquiring new skills with her magic, it all feels real because we're able to see her highs and lows. With Starlight, all we see are her highs. She doesn't feel real because, as I said, everything is handed to her by the writers. People are so invested in seeing her punished for her actions because it would be a shred of realism to a character that is so wholly unrealistic. Everyone who as a former antagonist has had to earn their redemption. Luna, Discord, Sunset Shimmer; even Gilda and Trixie. But of course, Starlight gets to sidestep all that mess. I'm so sick of seeing Starlight in the series because ever since The Cutie Re-Mark, we've had this bitch constantly shoved down our throats all to remind us that she exists and she so goddamn powerful and perfect and awesome because she exists.

 

The difference between Starlight and Sunset is, Starlight never made me ball my eyes out and sob like a spoiled girl on her 16th birthday when no one showed up. Sunset to this DAY has one of the single most powerful and moving scenes I have ever seen at the end of RR. Startlight, meh. She is fine, I guess...but why does she have to look EXACTLY like best Siren?! Aria, notice me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!