Hating the show staff now that the show is about to end

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On 3/21/2019 at 3:08 AM, R.D.Dash said:

Really! Is that a constructive criticism or you just want to point fingers at someone who happens to be me?

No it's a serious question. I can't tell if they are supposed to be separate or one in the same. 

 

On 3/20/2019 at 11:27 PM, BornAgainBrony said:

The suicide incident I kind of agree with. But how much time could they have really spent on that? Trixie has a lot of issues. Probably more than any other character. I'm really I'm not surprised it sent her that far, after everything else she's gone through. Funnily enough, I was equally afraid for Starlight when the Changelings got ahold of the Mane 6; I feel like that could've easily gone far worse. Ironically, she still had Trixie.
 

On 3/20/2019 at 11:32 PM, Black Sabbath said:

So dumb question, but what excatly is wrong with the post you provided? It's just someone talking about his personal opinion about the show, is it really so bad that you had to shame him on a completely different forum? 

I'm not saying that he's right (although he has a point about the suicide episode), but can't you just ignore the post? 

You know I honestly get frayed nerves when people pull the suicide card. You really expect this particular show to deliberately traumatize and/or polarize viewers with something that is extremely sensitive?

And no @Black SabbathI will not ignore it. The adjectives the person used to describe the show now are offensive, stupid, and mind-numbing and yes, crap. It's already been 9 long years and now this person is just going to defecate all over something that's cost the blood sweat and tears of the creators? Especially since it's about to end? I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to let something like this pass. I will find the time to call this person out personally. 

Edited March 26, 2019 by PCutter

[Black Sabbath 2,488]

3 hours ago, PCutter said:

You really expect this particular show to deliberately traumatize and/or polarize viewers with something that is extremely sensitive?

I mean, Rockhoof and a hard place does revolve around a poorly executed suicide metaphor so yes...? 

3 hours ago, PCutter said:

The adjectives the person used to describe the show now are offensive, stupid, and mind-numbing and yes, crap.

Oh no, a personal opinion. What kind of sick person would dare have such a thing? 

Yeah, sarcasm aside I don't see the issue. 

3 hours ago, PCutter said:

It's already been 9 long years and now this person is just going to defecate all over something that's cost the blood sweat and tears of the creators? Especially since it's about to end?

Just because the writers have worked hard on the show doesn't mean that we can't criticise it. Some aspects of the show are flawed, and that's something that we should acknowledge. 

As for the show ending soon, I don't see how that's relevant. There's shows that ended years ago that I still openly criticise. 

[RDDash 19,283]

7 hours ago, PCutter said:

No it's a serious question. I can't tell if they are supposed to be separate or one in the same. 

 

There are one and the same.

[Goat-kun 2,532]

The argument brings back some fond memories. I know this will be a hard one to swallow but we do it cause we care. There are extremes, though. We have an opportunity to observe an excellent example of the fanboy version in this very thread.

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On 3/27/2019 at 2:19 AM, R.D.Dash said:

There are one and the same.

I see you've contradicted yourself. You said you don't hate the people who make bad eps, and hate their writing. Yet this new one says they are one in the same. So by that logic they are both horrible writers and horrible humans, not horrible writers only. 

On 3/26/2019 at 10:42 PM, Black Sabbath said:

I mean, Rockhoof and a hard place does revolve around a poorly executed suicide metaphor so yes...? 

Oh no, a personal opinion. What kind of sick person would dare have such a thing? 

Yeah, sarcasm aside I don't see the issue. 

Just because the writers have worked hard on the show doesn't mean that we can't criticise it. Some aspects of the show are flawed, and that's something that we should acknowledge. 

As for the show ending soon, I don't see how that's relevant. There's shows that ended years ago that I still openly criticise. 

Well I could not care any less about what you or anyone else say are suicide depictions because they aren't to me.

So what if those aspects are flawed? I get extremely riled up that people  bother to care about something as insignificant and not universe changing as entertainment. Would you also be thinking that this show was a waste of many things as soon as it's ended?

[Black Sabbath 2,488]

9 hours ago, PCutter said:

Well I could not care any less about what you or anyone else say are suicide depictions because they aren't to me.

And your point is...? 

 

9 hours ago, PCutter said:

I get extremely riled up that people  bother to care about something as insignificant and not universe changing as entertainment. 

He said whilst bothering to care about something as insignificant and not universe changing as people having a differing opinion. 

9 hours ago, PCutter said:

Would you also be thinking that this show was a waste of many things as soon as it's ended?

Well no, but then again I don't think any show is a waste of many things no matter how mediocre they are. 

 

Edited March 29, 2019 by Black Sabbath

[RDDash 19,283]

14 minutes ago, PCutter said:

I see you've contradicted yourself. You said you don't hate the people who make bad eps, and hate their writing. Yet this new one says they are one in the same. So by that logic they are both horrible writers and horrible humans, not horrible writers only

Okay, that might sound complicated even for me. I don't hate people who are involved in the writing process of the show. I am actively disliking their writing and think that sometimes what they write is trash from my point of view. It doesn't mean that those people just happens to be the most awful people on the planet. 

[PCutter 127]

On 3/29/2019 at 4:15 AM, Black Sabbath said:

 

Well no, but then again I don't think any show is a waste of many things no matter how mediocre they are. 

 

So MLP was mediocre ever since 2010? Then you shouldn't have started watching it if you never liked the 1st batch of episodes you watched, and it'll be made all the more worse if you dared watch the entire series and said you had to punch a pillow because every single episode and official material is, in your words, mediocre, if you did watch the whole series at all.

Edited April 4, 2019 by PCutter

[Black Sabbath 2,488]

1 hour ago, PCutter said:

So MLP was mediocre ever since 2010?

In my opinion, yeah pretty much. 

1 hour ago, PCutter said:

Then you shouldn't have started watching it if you never liked the 1st batch of episodes you watched,

Mediocre is not the same as bad. The show, whilst perhaps not as great as some seem to think, can be pretty enjoyable from time to time. 

2 hours ago, PCutter said:

and it'll be made all the more worse if you dared watch the entire series and said you had to punch a pillow because every single episode and official material is, in your words, mediocre,

I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say here. Who said anything about having to punch a pillow? 

[Zestanor 99]

Neither of the poll options is good, as they both imply the writers have done something seriously wrong. I think they deserve praise generally.

[MangoFoalix 25,062]

21 hours ago, Zestanor said:

Neither of the poll options is good, as they both imply the writers have done something seriously wrong. I think they deserve praise generally.

I honestly agree. There is a high negativity bias in this thread from OP. In my opinion, the current show staff are doing a damn well good job.

[FlareGun45 2,221]

Alright, even though I have alota problems with the show, that doesn't mean the show staff deserve to be hated for it! They only do what they believe in - and not all of us agree with it! That doesn't make them bad people!

[Will Guide 21,376]

On 4/10/2019 at 4:48 PM, Zestanor said:

Neither of the poll options is good, as they both imply the writers have done something seriously wrong. I think they deserve praise generally.

That I agree with. There should a RANGE of choices. At least 5 different viewpoints; or at least an "other (please comment below) choice.

[Cash In 23,407]

Why would I hate anyone who is trying their best to work on a show that I enjoy? Doing so would be be blowing things massively out of proportion.

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On 4/5/2019 at 6:55 AM, Black Sabbath said:

?In my opinion, yeah pretty much. 

Mediocre is not the same as bad. The show, whilst perhaps not as great as some seem to think, can be pretty enjoyable from time to time. 

I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say here. Who said anything about having to punch a pillow? 

Then why did you even bother start watching it was mediocre from the start? Was it just because you were bored and had nothing better to do or if you were forced to watch it? Or what? 

Don't try to differentiate mediocre and bad. Both are very negative terms to describe something that was never meant to exist. 

What I am meaning is that I want you to admit you hated every single piece of material of the show, and that you were always forced to say you loved it when you never wanted to.

On 3/29/2019 at 4:33 AM, R.D.Dash said:

Okay, that might sound complicated even for me. I don't hate people who are involved in the writing process of the show. I am actively disliking their writing and think that sometimes what they write is trash from my point of view. It doesn't mean that those people just happens to be the most awful people on the planet. 

On 4/14/2019 at 11:39 AM, FlareGun45 said:

Alright, even though I have alota problems with the show, that doesn't mean the show staff deserve to be hated for it! They only do what they believe in - and not all of us agree with it! That doesn't make them bad people!

Awful people, as in like writers are equated to people who deliberately kill other people or something?

Edited April 15, 2019 by PCutter

[RDDash 19,283]

3 hours ago, PCutter said:

Awful people, as in like writers are equated to people who deliberately kill other people or something?

I guess what they do outside the show is irrelevant to how good they are at their work.

[Dark Qiviut 22,656]

On 4/10/2019 at 7:48 PM, Zestanor said:

Neither of the poll options is good, as they both imply the writers have done something seriously wrong. I think they deserve praise generally.

On 4/11/2019 at 5:36 PM, TheTaZe said:

I honestly agree. There is a high negativity bias in this thread from OP. In my opinion, the current show staff are doing a damn well good job.

I voted “no” for the poll sometime ago, and I have to agree with both of you. Not only is the question extremely loaded, but it implicates that the writers were bad people for writing any episode that’s less than well received. The poll is so negatively slanted that it feels a lot like one answer split into two. I’ve come to regret voting at all here…

Whether we agree or disagree with the episodes themselves, the writers aren’t bad people or writers at all. They helped develop a series-long, high-quality, creative product, and the people themselves are really good people. The entire staff of DHX absolutely deserves praise for their work.

[Mirage 24,792]

Criticism for the later seasons is understandable, but I think it's blown out of proportion too. Lauren and the team she had around her created an incredible show with a bold vision for entertainment and meaning. The writing became different, the show took on some changes (like animation style and art direction), and now it has to end. What is unfortunate, that no one can do anything about, is that the original visionaries are just not around anymore. So of course the show is different. But it isn't trash!

What's kinda interesting about all this is that the original vision was so strong and impressionable that fans continue to judge the later episodes of the show based on a 'spirit' that hasn't since been duplicated. But then I get thinking, would they still be just as upset about later episodes even if Lauren was still involved? Sometimes people get 'stuck' in nostalgia, and nothing else can compare to it...

[Black Sabbath 2,488]

11 hours ago, PCutter said:

Then why did you even bother start watching it was mediocre from the start?

I wanted to see what all the fuss was about, and then I kind stuck around because I had nothing better to do. 

11 hours ago, PCutter said:

Don't try to differentiate mediocre and bad.

The definition of mediocre is literally "neither good nor bad". 

11 hours ago, PCutter said:

Both are very negative terms to describe something that was never meant to exist. 

Gosh, that's a bit harsh. Just because you find something bad or mediocre doesn't mean that you have to think that it was never meant to exist. 

11 hours ago, PCutter said:

What I am meaning is that I want you to admit you hated every single piece of material of the show, and that you were always forced to say you loved it when you never wanted to.

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But that's not true. If I hated to every single piece of material of the show, I wouldn't be on a forum for fans of it. 

[Jeric 46,890]

Eh. Just saw this and have to say that I don’t like either vote option. I like most of the crew as individuals, and most of them obviously have talent. This is a question phrased wrong anyway. 

I guess I can say that my personal interaction with crew and staff has been overwhelmingly positive, and based on the established framework of the show they have acceptable to remarkable talent. 

On 4/15/2019 at 11:29 AM, PCutter said:

Awful people, as in like writers are equated to people who deliberately kill other people or something?

If the art isn’t a mirror of the behavior I dislike, I am quite able to separate the art from the creator and have always enjoyed, and will continue to enjoy, work from questionable individuals. No issue there. 

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On 4/16/2019 at 11:23 AM, Black Sabbath said:

The definition of mediocre is literally "neither good nor bad". 

Gosh, that's a bit harsh. Just because you find something bad or mediocre doesn't mean that you have to think that it was never meant to exist. 

Oh so what? That we nonetheless accept mediocrity not for the sake of its quality, but rather that we fear the reciprocations of hurting others' feelings? Why don't you let Mr. Incredible enlighten you on this instead of me?

"They keep creating new ways to celebrate mediocrity." 

If hurting others' feelings helps bring a point about maintaining the status quo that only high quality should be allowed to exist to dictate the world, then it should be that way. Whether they try or not, whether they do make the cut, they should not be allowed to exist. 

If children in a room were asked to make the best possible drawing about something, of course you have to spurn everyone else who don't create something like the few or one who is the next da Vinci. Is it my fault that they are crying right now and that they will beat themselves up for the rest of their lives? No, because only the weak and inept have to be eradicated. 
They need to learn the very hard and unforgiving way that only that no matter how much hard work you put in, only one deserves recognition for being able to achieve perfection. Nobody should feel pity or bad about those who work hard and yet achieve little to nothing. Those who delude themselves into thinking that following a motto like "anyone can cook" is only for their personal satisfaction and not for proving quality to the world is already a great mortal sin.

On 4/16/2019 at 6:35 AM, Dark Qiviut said:

I voted “no” for the poll sometime ago, and I have to agree with both of you. Not only is the question extremely loaded, but it implicates that the writers were bad people for writing any episode that’s less than well received. The poll is so negatively slanted that it feels a lot like one answer split into two. I’ve come to regret voting at all here…

Whether we agree or disagree with the episodes themselves, the writers aren’t bad people or writers at all. They helped develop a series-long, high-quality, creative product, and the people themselves are really good people. The entire staff of DHX absolutely deserves praise for their work.

And how about accusations from others that these people are actually conmen and charlatans who somehow cheated their way into where they are now from the harsh disciplines of writing or art school, or that they arrived there because they're just lucky? Have you ever considered that possibility?

Edited April 26, 2019 by PCutter

[cuteycindyhoney 13,341]

I have no hate for people I don't know and will never meet. Why would I hate them anyway? I think the show is going fine as it is, and am not freaking because it's the final season. If there is infighting on the staff, that has nothing to do with me. Much as I love the show, it's just a television program.

[Sepul-Coloratura 765]

This is a strange survey because the options themselves indicates what's the right choice already. Even if someone doesn't like the show doesn't mean the staff should be hated in a personal level. And being human and the fact that human are not perfect can't be an excuse for everything.

Even when we don't like the show or the staff's decisions, we can criticize it in a civil way. Even if we really hate the show, we can criticize the work of the staff in an artistic or technical level, not the person itself. We should criticize the staff for what their job is supposed to do for us to begin with.

If we like the show, that's fine. But the survey shows the dangerous binary thinking of extremes. Some people tend to think whoever dislikes the show is a toxic hater, and to be a true fan they must love the show. I don't like closed questions or answers. If someone likes the show, I'd like to know why, if someone doesn't, I'd also like to know why. That's what makes the discussion and the whole forum interesting.

I didn't answered the survey because none of it was true to me.

[Lucky Bolt 35,249]

That's like, one of the most stupidest things I ever heard.  Hating the show staff just because the show is ending? ......kind of petty don't you think. 

[Savystarscout 5,252]

I agree with Lucky Bolt, hating the show staff because MLP is ending? Pretty petty and stupid if you ask me.... :/