Enemies defeated too quickly?

[Planty 1,053]

Personally, I believe that the writers actually start out with a lot more time in their mind, because stuff happens at a decent pace in the beginning, but in the last 5 minutes, stuff happening all at once. It's like they are prepared to make a full-blown movie and then at the end they are like "oh crap the timelimit! uh... just put stuff here and there!".

 

That's not the case with the dual episodes only. I have noticed it on several other episodes too. Personally, if they fix that in the Season 3, then I would be happy. I believe it will also solve the problems that they face with the enemies too.

 

Well I know that there are many deleted sceans from the show.

 

Someone from the animation team posted about how initially in the last round up there was a scene with Derpy and rainbowdash clearing thunderclouds when she accidentally sets one of destorying the town hall.

 

It would be cool to see some longer episodes or uncut versions of episodes from the show

[Dusty Soul 2,611]

Funny thing is I was thinking about this today. Chrysalis' whole Canterlot takeover was in my terms WAY too short. She brought Celestia down in one blow. Then she was defeated by Shining armor and Cadance. I wish they would've left Canterlot under Chrysalis' control after the episode ended. (Yes I know it's a kids show, but that would've been so awesome). Left it with some suspense and then spend the first two episodes of S3 resolving that conflict. That would've been how I would've handled it, but I think a great episode non-the-less.

Discord on the other hand, was defeated in a way that made it seem too early. I mean it just was he's their, *blinks twice* now he's stone. I think if they drew it out more then just having the elements do it WAY too fast, that would've made it better.

And yes I understand it has a time frame, but this is how I see it.

[cuteycindyhoney 13,307]

The show isn't about the battles. I don't think it would be any good if we drifted into the multi-episode fights as found in shows like "Dragonball Z".

[pinkiefan1287 610]

I do feel like the enemies were beaten to quickly. It would have been better if Discord and Chrysalis at tried fight against their powers. I mean Discord could have done something to fight back, seeing he has power and we know Chrysali could have fired or tried to push it back.

[Chip 1]

Again yes i agree. when i saw Celestia attack Chrysalis i was hoping for an awesome magic duel but then she got downed in one hit and destroyed my hopes :/

[GoneForeverBye 184]

The show isn't about the battles. I don't think it would be any good if we drifted into the multi-episode fights as found in shows like "Dragonball Z".

 

Nobody said anything about multi-episode fights and stuff. :3 What people want here is some more work on the easily defeated villains in the show.

 

Will they not get another villain in Season 3?... >0_0>

[PonyEcho 1,610]

as much as i agree i know very well why it is like that, its basically the small time slot so they cant fit too much in with out crippling the story and you cant move it on to more episode because, the number of episodes are not something that the mlp team come up with its something give to them as a dead line so if they wanted to stretch out those scenarios they would have to discard episodes like lesson zero to make room in the time slot.

[cuteycindyhoney 13,307]

Nobody said anything about multi-episode fights and stuff. :3 What people want here is some more work on the easily defeated villains in the show.

 

Will they not get another villain in Season 3?... >0_0>

 

People have to keep in mind the actual real demographic group the show is aimed at. They can't have villains or monsters that are too hard for the mane six to easily defeat, because it would upset the children watching.

[Duskstroke Serenade 27]

People have to keep in mind the actual real demographic group the show is aimed at. They can't have villains or monsters that are too hard for the mane six to easily defeat, because it would upset the children watching.

 

you're completely missing the point here. Chrysalis and Discord were OBVIOUSLY supposed to be harder to defeat than they were but the studio ran out of time and had to rush things to fit everything important into the episode. Their rushed defeat has nothing to do with the demographic. Speaking of demographic, the little girls are NOT the "actual real demographic". The demographic Lauren Faust gave the show was 'little girls and their parents'.

[irobern2857 95]

ya it was a little to quick. They were all one shot one kill kind of things. one burst of friendship for NM and Discord and one burst of love for Chrysalis

[Ion 279]

ya it was a little to quick. They were all one shot one kill kind of things. one burst of friendship for NM and Discord and one burst of love for Chrysalis

 

Nightmare Moon's defeat wasn't that bad. At least something happened beforehand.

 

Discord's defeat did feel a bit rushed. He just sat there and let himself get hit by the Elements. He could have easily stopped them if he wasn't too busy being overconfident.

[FedoraMemes 582]

YES! I DO!

 

But seriously, I hope in Season 3, they have a recurring villain, who they defeat in the final episode. I also think Discord should've returned at the end of Season 2, but that's just my opinion.

[cuteycindyhoney 13,307]

you're completely missing the point here. Chrysalis and Discord were OBVIOUSLY supposed to be harder to defeat than they were but the studio ran out of time and had to rush things to fit everything important into the episode. Their rushed defeat has nothing to do with the demographic. Speaking of demographic, the little girls are NOT the "actual real demographic". The demographic Lauren Faust gave the show was 'little girls and their parents'.

 

I hate to point out one key fact here...IT'S A CARTOON! It isn't the next summer blockbuster movie!!

[Yellow Diamond 7,569]

The central concepts of the show are magic and friendship, the latter of which focuses on interpersonal conflicts. In each instance of a villain appearing, though the antagonist certainly posed a direct threat, the largest hurdle wound up being the ponies themselves. In "The Return of Harmony", this was abundantly clear: the Mane Six placed more value in simply solving the problem via the Elements of Harmony rather than recognizing that their collective friendship was the key to the elements actually functioning. Hence Twilight interpreted Discord's riddle in the most immediate, literal sense, and subsequently became driven to defeat him just to alleviate herself of her dysfunctional friends. (AJ's question regarding the result of their quest also indicates this was the case). Once Twilight and the whole of the Mane Six realized that friendship was worth fighting for, the once insurmountable task became one which they could handle.

 

The same holds true for the royal wedding. Twilight's friends lost faith in her; they took the wedding at face value, becoming immersed in the pomp and circumstance of the occasion. Chrysalis more or less had the run of the town (or the castle) because everypony was distracted. Instead of the wedding centering around Shining Armor and Princess Cadence's loving union, it had been overtaken by the ceremony itself. Only when Twilight returned with the real Cadence did everyone at last understand what was unfolding. The Mane Six---and Celestia, in fact---were looking at all the signs and interpreting them in the most convenient, plausible way. Never did they stop to think of the matter from Twilight's perspective.

 

The point of the matter is this: MLP does not focus on the traditional protagonist vs. antagonist clashes. "A Canterlot Wedding" had a battle scene, yes, and an awesome one at that; but the episode's central thrust was not about beam clashes with Chrysalis. In the same vein, a full-on battle with Discord would be inappropriate---especially since a conventional fight is one he would almost certainly win. What Discord and Chrysalis could not counter, however, were love and friendship. Both episodes were about finding the keys to harmonious and authentic relationships. That is why both the Elements of Harmony and the Power of Love spell swept the central antagonists aside with ease. Those are the strongest weapons within the MLP: FiM universe.

 

In a more meta explanation, I would suspect there was not enough time to employ more dramatic final confrontations. That was definitely the sense I had with "A Canterlot Wedding". Yet more traditional final battles, as cool and awesome as they could have been, might also have resulted in a distracting narrative conclusion. Friendship and harmony would take a backseat to violent retribution. Since the season two finale eschewed the usage of the Elements of Harmony, I suspect they will mix things up a bit without jettisoning the themes of the show.

Edited August 8, 2012 by Thereisnospoon303

[MallaJong1 202]

The central concepts of the show are magic and friendship, the latter of which focuses on interpersonal conflicts. In each instance of a villain appearing, though the antagonist certainly posed a direct threat, the largest hurdle wound up being the ponies themselves. In "The Return of Harmony", this was abundantly clear: the Mane Six placed more value in simply solving the problem via the Elements of Harmony rather than recognizing that their collective friendship was the key to the elements actually functioning. Hence Twilight interpreted Discord's riddle in the most immediate, literal sense, and subsequently became driven to defeat him just to alleviate herself of her dysfunctional friends. (AJ's question regarding the result of their quest also indicates this was the case). Once Twilight and the whole of the Mane Six realized that friendship was worth fighting for, the once insurmountable task became one which they could handle.

 

The same holds true for the royal wedding. Twilight's friends lost faith in her; they took the wedding at face value, becoming immersed in the pomp and circumstance of the occasion. Chrysalis more or less had the run of the town (or the castle) because everypony was distracted. Instead of the wedding centering around Shining Armor and Princess Cadence's loving union, it had been overtaken by the ceremony itself. Only when Twilight returned with the real Cadence did everyone at last understand what was unfolding. The Mane Six---and Celestia, in fact---were looking at all the signs and interpreting them in the most convenient, plausible way. Never did they stop to think of the matter from Twilight's perspective.

 

The point of the matter is this: MLP does not focus on the traditional protagonist vs. antagonist clashes. "A Canterlot Wedding" had a battle scene, yes, and an awesome one at that; but the episode's central thrust was not about beam clashes with Chrysalis. In the same vein, a full-on battle with Discord would be inappropriate---especially since a conventional fight is one he would almost certainly win. What Discord and Chrysalis could not counter, however, were love and friendship. Both episodes were about finding the keys to harmonious and authentic relationships. That is why both the Elements of Harmony and the Power of Love spell swept the central antagonists aside with ease. Those are the strongest weapons within the MLP: FiM

 

This is a very good analysis on the central theme and motivation for introducing the antagonists. My eyes have been opened to a new degree. Thanks for the input.

[DeletedAcc 64]

Now that you bring it up, I do agree. They should have been in power for a bit longer than they were. But hey, you can only do so much in a 22 minute show I guess...

[brian577 120]

And aside from extending the story beyond 2 episodes what do you propose be cut just so we can have more explosions?

Edited August 8, 2012 by brian577

[Duskstroke Serenade 27]

I hate to point out one key fact here...IT'S A CARTOON! It isn't the next summer blockbuster movie!!

 

... that has absolutely no relevance to what I said. what I said had absolutely nothing to do with it being a blockbuster movie. I merely said that their defeats had to be due to them running out of time to do everything they'd wanted to.

[cuteycindyhoney 13,307]

... that has absolutely no relevance to what I said. what I said had absolutely nothing to do with it being a blockbuster movie. I merely said that their defeats had to be due to them running out of time to do everything they'd wanted to.

 

I stand by my original statement (and my second one too!) The little girls AND their parents aren't interested in epic battles. That's the realm of the Brony wanting to see fights and explosions. If the writers go too far to please the Bronies, they will lose the core audience and the show would be cancelled. The Bronies constitute just a small part of the viewers. The toys Bronies are turning their noses up at, are the ones little girls adore.

 

Also, why do you keep insisting that the studio ran out of time? I see no evidence of that in either two part adventure. Both the second season opener and the second season finale were slated for two episodes each, before any writers even picked up a pen (or tapped on their keyboards). I could understand saying they ran out of time if the ending was supposed to extend into season three and that got cancelled, but we do have a season three coming up.

[Duskstroke Serenade 27]

I stand by my original statement (and my second one too!) The little girls AND their parents aren't interested in epic battles. That's the realm of the Brony wanting to see fights and explosions. If the writers go too far to please the Bronies, they will lose the core audience and the show would be cancelled. The Bronies constitute just a small part of the viewers. The toys Bronies are turning their noses up at, are the ones little girls adore.

 

Also, why do you keep insisting that the studio ran out of time? I see no evidence of that in either two part adventure. Both the second season opener and the second season finale were slated for two episodes each, before any writers even picked up a pen (or tapped on their keyboards). I could understand saying they ran out of time if the ending was supposed to extend into season three and that got cancelled, but we do have a season three coming up.

 

um... they can still run out of time with planning. say a scene they did took much longer than expected? Also I'm not saying there should be more fighting and explosions. I'm saying the conflict should have been more flowing. For season 2's open and close, everything flows perfectly until around the last 15 minutes, and just as all hell breaks loose, you blink and the bad guy is defeated. Think of it like an RPG. You play the game and it's going great. You go through the final dungeon and get to the boss of the game. And then you one-shot him. It feels like a cheap win because you went in expecting a challenge, and your character waltzes right in, uses Fireball, crits and the whole conflict is done. I'm not saying the conflict should have resulted to a hoof to hoof fight. I'm saying that Discord and Chrysalis were too easy. ESPECIALLY Chrysalis, who's power resides in feeding off love, and she scoffs at the idea of Cadance's love giving Shining Armor power. That just doesn't make sense. She calls it a ridiculous sentiment, when the same sentiment allowed her to defeat Princess Celestia herself!

 

Also, I have no proof of this, but I think the Brony Fandom is at least as big as the original target demographic. Otherwise why would Hasbro and Studio B (I can't remember what they're called now) even bother putting in SO MANY references?

 

EDIT: oh almost forgot. I don't think you're right when you say "The little girls AND their parents aren't interested in epic battles" you are probably incorrect. I know a few little girls (little sisters of friends) who like shows with explosions and epic battles, and that's what most parents watch anyway. Maybe not in ponies, but still. Plus while you may be right about losing the core demographic if the writers go too far to please bronies, I don't think the show would be cancelled on the sole fact that the bronies would still be watching, and we've already proven ourselves to be a MASSIVE source of revenue.

Edited August 9, 2012 by Duskstroke Serenade

[IvoryVinyl 48]

I agree.It also upset me that Celestia got one shotted by Chrysalis I was hoping for an epic magic duel :/

 

I agree. I was hoping for something on the lines of the Mew and Mewtwo battle from that one Pokemon movie I can't remember the title of right now. I think it was Pokemon 4 Ever.

[Duskstroke Serenade 27]

I agree. I was hoping for something on the lines of the Mew and Mewtwo battle from that one Pokemon movie I can't remember the title of right now. I think it was Pokemon 4 Ever.

 

Pokemon: The First Movie

 

lame title but that's what it was. Pokemon 4Ever had Celebi if I remember correctly.

[MallaJong1 202]

I agree. I was hoping for something on the lines of the Mew and Mewtwo battle from that one Pokemon movie I can't remember the title of right now. I think it was Pokemon 4 Ever.

 

You're joking, right? The title was "Pokemon: The Movie". Haha. Maybe you weren't joking, though.

 

On topic, an epic battle between the two could have been nice. Personally, I enjoyed seeing Celestia defeated so easily. It just goes to show she is not as powerful as she seems. I also do not like Celestia, so that might also be the reason I kept rewinding and squealing in glee when Chrysalis blew her away.

[IvoryVinyl 48]

You're joking, right? The title was "Pokemon: The Movie". Haha. Maybe you weren't joking, though.

 

On topic, an epic battle between the two could have been nice. Personally, I enjoyed seeing Celestia defeated so easily. It just goes to show she is not as powerful as she seems. I also do not like Celestia, so that might also be the reason I kept rewinding and squealing in glee when Chrysalis blew her away.

 

Well, I'm tired and it's been a while since I've watched Pokemon. It was cool to see her defeated too. You knew it got real.

[Duskstroke Serenade 27]

Well, I'm tired and it's been a while since I've watched Pokemon. It was cool to see her defeated too. You knew it got real.

 

Yeah when I saw Celestia get defeated I was like "... Well that just happened. Oh LUUUUUUNAAAAAAA~."

 

and then of course I was met with disappointment in Luna apparently being asleep through it all (that's my theory. she's the Night Princess so she'd sleep through the day and stay up all night).

Edited August 9, 2012 by Duskstroke Serenade