Alicorn OCs

[Pineapple Bloom 511]

Do they make the creator happy? Yes.

Do they hurt other people? No.

 

I think people can make their OCs however they want.

[VinylWubs 1,252]

Alicorn ocs? I don't know if they made their ocs an alicorn then it would count as a princess/prince which I don't like, I don't fancy them cause the creators go to overboard with the OCS power then it'll be too powerful like celestia so I don't really like them

[Scream Lucid Dream 103]

I agree wholeheartedly with Pineapple Bloom. It harms nobody and makes the creator happy. Why does it matter so much?

 

An OC is a wish fulfilment fantasy. I admire people who have the courage to create a character who is improbably perfect. I have a real issue with the term Mary Sue. If you do not like 'em, just ignore 'em. Don't waste your time hating something so trivial.

[Toaster Bot 183]

When it comes to alicorn OCs, if I'm laughing after hearing their backstory, that either means that the writer was really good at writing an intentionally bad character or the character was hilariously bad.

If I'm not laughing, then that's worse than the OC being hilariously bad.

Alicorns are just the epitome of making your OC a special snowflake, you might as well marry them to one of the Mane 6 and have them dethrone Celestia while you're breaking every rule set by canon, narrative construction, and dignity.

I genuinely think that a good alicorn OC cannot be made, unless you find some way to justify it, and I've never seen an attempt come close.

[Wyzecat 350]

I'm going to have to say this: I am not a fan of Alicorn OCs. Nearly every single one I've seen has in some way been related to a royal or semi-royal family and/or was found by Celestia and/or has god-like powers and/or has a backstory that desperately tries to make plausible justifications for being so damn special and so absurdly out of canon when really, they almost all sound nearly identical. I'm usually cringing by the end of reading most Alicorn backstories.

 

With the royal family thing as an example, blueblood isn't an Alicorn, and nor is Sombra, although it hasn't been established if only mares can be alicorns or if stallions can be as well.

 

A good rule of thumb that I try to follow is to not make an OC outside of the parameters and standards of the canon and the widely accepted fanon. This includes Alicorn OCs.

 

...At least that's if you're going to actually use it in RPs or really use it anywhere outside of your imagination.

It doesn't matter if you have one and you're doing it just for fun and for no other reason, and I really don't have a problem with the people who keep it to themselves and don't try to establish them for all to see.

[Jeric 46,851]

In my opinion, I think alicorn ocs as too much of an ok thing, there's just so many.... and hardly anyone has an earthpony oc...

 

I went ahead and merged your thread with an older thread. For future reference all fandom discussions usually go in Sugarcube Corner.

[Pecan Pencil 12]

I wasnt hating, I was just saying it was "too much of an ok thing" I think they are ok, I just asked what you all think of them. I have nothing haterd of the sort towards the race of pony oc

[Pripyat Pony 2,608]

The thing is, any pony character can be a Mary Sue. It's got nothing to do with the character's race, more to do with the way they are written. For example: compare these two characters.

 

Moonlight is an alicorn. She was made an alicorn by Princess Celestia cuz of her selfless work saving ponies' lives when an earthquake happened in Manehatten. Moonlight has a royal blue coat with an aqua blue mane and tail. Her cutie mark is a doctor's symbol cuz her talent is for healing magic. Moonlight often has attacks of self doubt, and feels very self conscious about her wings. She's not the best flyer; in fact, she describes herself as the worst flyer in the world. Every time she tries, she crashlands. She's paranoid that other ponies are laughing at her, so whenever possible, she walks or takes the train instead. Moonlight would love to have a special somepony, but she never can keep a relationship; she's far too clingy and possessive and drives stallions away. She doesn't know this, and wonders why she can never keep a coltfriend.  She often has attacks of paranoia, when she imagines her alicorn honour being taken away from her cuz she believes that she doesn't deserve it.

 

Serenity Jewel is an earth pony. She has a pale pink coat which sparkles in sunlight, and a mane and tail which is five different shades of pink. She lives in Ponyville and is best friends with the Mane Six. In fact, cuz of her special talent to do magic, which no other earth pony can do but her, she sometimes teaches Twilight how to do magic. Serenity Jewel is better at magic than Twilight, stronger than Applejack, has a sixth sense which warns her of danger which is better than Pinkie's Pinkie sense, can actually speak to animals far better than Fluttershy and can make a spell that gives her wings and makes her fly better than Rainbow. All of the Mane Six admire Serenity Jewel so much that Twilight created a new Element of Harmony just for her. It is the Element of Specialness and only Serenity Jewel can wield it. Everypony loves her cept for Trixie, who's her rival and is jealous of Serenity Jewel. Serenity Jewel would never dream of revenge, but can see with her sixth sense that bad things will happen to Trixie cuz of her hate and jealousy. Serenity Jewel is kind, sweet and just a teeny bit clumsy, but that doesn't matter cuz whenever she trips, a stallion will always catch her before she falls. She is best pony ever, and everypony knows it!

 

Ugh. I want to stab myself for typing that second character out. -.- See the difference? An alicorn isn't necessarily a Mary Sue, but you do have to do a lot more work to ensure that they're not. An earth pony can be a far worse Sue in the hands of a writer who only cares about wish fufillment and having her character be the best at everything.

This is my post again. I reposted it cuz it makes a good point. Believe me, I have seen really terrible unicorn, earth and pegasus pony OCs, including a unicorn who's magic was "more powerful than Celestia's" and a pegasus OC who could do magic for no reason. I have two alicorn OCs; neither are overpowered and I made them surmount challenges to get where they are. Alicornhood to me is like the Olympics; while there are plenty of people who can do the sports, there aren't many good enough to get to the Olympics. Out of those people, only a few will gain a gold medal in their field. However, getting a gold medal doesn't make you the most powerful person who ever lived.

[Hocus Pocus 636]

Well, I posted in an Alicorn OC topic earlier, but it was locked due to this thread already existing, so I'll just say here what I said there...

 

I don't think there's any argument about whether or not alicorns are OP... they just are. This has been proven time and again throughout the show, especially how most alicorns must be ascended to that state through some form of revelation that grants them their true power. The only canon exceptions to this are Celestia and Luna (Which were born alicorns, as shown in the comics)

 

However, I don't think that alicorn OCs are all terrible, horrible, scourges of the earth. Overpowered characters should be handled delicately in any story, and alicorns should be no different. While most alicorns are indeed Marry Sues in my opinion, this gives the idea of alicorn OCs a bad reputation. The problem is they aren't being handled correctly. And while I have not created any alicorn OCs yet, if I do, I will follow my own guidelines which I use to judge the alicorn OCs of others.

 

Rule #1: Alicorns can NEVER be your ponysona... EVER! (With the ONLY exception of someone who is incredibly important to the actual show, such as Lauren Faust or a story board writer for the actual show.). This rule over-rides all other rules. An Alicorn ponysona is pretty self-centered. It either screams"Mary-Sue" or "I think I'm better than all of you". While many have made a fair point of OCs being wish-fufilment, you can easily take it over-board and make an alicorn ponysona that you say takes over Equestria, moves to Canterlot high, and enslaves all the humans too... It's still just wish fulfillment, but it's wish fulfillment in a way that comes off as pretentious (or compensating for insecurity).

 

Rule #2: Alicorns cannot be a main protagonist in an RP. This should go for overpowered characters in stories in general. They are not meant to be an active contributor in a story, but rather an overarching force that is a constant part of the narrative. That doesn't mean they can't appear, but they shouldn't have a very active role on the events that happen (FLCL did a very good job of this with Atomsk, he is the motivation behind a character's actions, but he only shows up for one very short scene in the end of the series, and even Princess Celestia does a good job of this, being a force behind many actions, but rarely intervening and taking direct control over a situation). That's not to say that they can absolutely NEVER intervene, but the moments that they do should be few and far between. I have very few exceptions with this rule, but there still are some; most of which involve some sort of "Chosen one" (Such as in Avatar/Legend of Korra). That said, however,  I do not believe alicorns are one of these exceptions. (This is one of the reasons why I am still against Alicorn Twilight.)

 

Rule #3: While alicorns cannot be a main protagonist, they CAN be A main or even THE main antagonist. An antagonist is meant to be overcome, and the tougher the struggle to overcome that antagonist, generally, the better the story... and alicorns would make a TOUGH struggle, meaning they're a PERFECT villain for MLP... if you can give them a backstory that doesn't come off as pretentious.

 

Rule #4: If an alicorn OC appears in an RP, it must be played by the person running the RP (or if you have special permission to use your own, see rule #5). With an RP, several characters contribute to the story, and if you're hosting the RP, situations may rise where you may need to contribute more than just a ponysona. This means that if you're running an RP, an appearance by multiple of your OCs at once, including an Alicorn OC can very easily happen; however, to better keep with rule #2, the owner/owners of the RP should be the only one to control that OC's actions.

 

Rule #5: Don't bring your alicorn OC into someone else's RP unless there is a good reason to story-wise AND you have the RP owner's consent. Some of the best stories are those that overlap with other stories. And there's nothing that feels more awesome than bringing all the most powerful characters of different stories together to team up (Which is why so many people loved "The Avengers" movie). However, with an OP character, it's downright disrespectful to the owner's story to shove "Snowflake the all-powerful overlord" into their world. This is true of any alicorn as well; they have been shown to be the wielders of the most powerful magic in all of Equestria, and simply having one pop up out of nowhere WILL (not can) derail a story.

 

Needless to say, a proper alicorn OC is HARD to pull off (Hence why I haven't created one yet) however, if done right, they could very well be as endearing as an actual character in the show... anything less than that will seem like a snowflake or marry sue... which is why most alicorns seem to fail so spectacularly.

 

 

I'm not meaning to be negative in any of this or bash any alicorn OCs anypony who is reading this may have. I'm simply saying that alicorns are tough to make... if they were easy to make, I'd already have made one, or even several! And if you want to make one, be sure to handle it in a way that doesn't impose you as being "all-powerful" like many alicorn OCs seem like they do, even if they don't do it intentionally.

Edited March 25, 2015 by Hocus Pocus

[ManaMinori 4,145]

Since the MLP creative team have spoken and confirmed that the MLP side-stuff outside the main series (such as IDW comics, books ect) are canon, until the show itself goes and contradicts it, first off, I'll just say that with that confirmation, that pretty much proves that other alicorns can exist in the same world as Celestia/ Luna/ Cadance/ Twilight, because the Journal of the Twi sisters heavily hints that there are indeed other alicorns, when Luna and Celestia had been foals. So with this, I see no reason as to why people can't make alicorn OC's and insert them into the same world with the main series characters.

 

However, it's unrealistic to make an OC of any kind, and have them being related to the mane cast or side characters. This doesn't apply to just alicorn OC's.

 

lastly, there's the issue of Alicorn God-mode. While the majority of the time, that does tend to be the case for many OC's, and well....by default, alicorns in general are a superfusion of all three races of ponies, and have access to the three tribe's magic, that won't always be the case. Frankly, if someone can believably "power down" an alicorn OC, and water them down enough to where they're not all on Twilight's insane level of magic skill (which should be impossible, unless that OC's talent IS magic, and they've studied just as hard as Twilight to achieve that power), then more power to them.

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

Most of the alicorns OC's are bad. Either because they are way to overpowerd or because the creator made them ridiculously underpowerd. The secret is to make the OC just powerful enough that it's believable but not  powerful enough that they are equal to (or greater than) the rest of the alicorns combined. Another thing that annoys me about alicorns OC's that sometimes people think that making an alicorn who can't fly or use magic is a good idea, the whole point of alicorns is that can both fly and use magic. If you're going to make an alicorn who lacks one of these abilities, why not just make a pegasus or a unicorn? 

Edited February 2, 2015 by Yamet

[ManaMinori 4,145]

Most of the alicorns OC's are bad. Either because they are way to overpowerd or because the creator made them ridiculously underpowerd. The secret is to make the OC just powerful enough that it's believable but not  powerful enough that they are equal to (or greater than) the rest of the alicorns combined. Another thing that annoys me about alicorns OC's that sometimes people think that making an alicorn who can't fly or use magic is a good idea, the whole point of alicorns is that can both fly and use magic. If you're going to make an alicorn who lacks one of these abilities, why not just make a pegasus or a unicorn? 

I can't speak for others on the case of making alicorn oc's who can't do magic or fly but in the case of my own alicorn oc's who fall into that category (admittedly, I do have one or two), I only play that card in order to allow them to develop further. Having a physical/ mental weakness that they have to struggle to achieve, rather than being born an alicorn and having it all at their disposal right from the get-go. Just like pegasi have to learn how to fly, and unicorns have to learn how to do magic, so should be the case of alicorns.

 

And frankly, I don't think innane ability even matters. Take Fluttershy. She's a pegasus pony who 90% of the time, is on the ground, NOT flying, because she considers herself a weak flier. Should she be better off as an earth pony? I have an oc that's a unicorn who taught himself to fly like a pegasus, with magic, because they wanted it badly enough. Should they be considered an alicorn? What ponies do or don't do with their wings or magic or earth pony powers shouldn't make a difference, nor should it - or lack of it be expected of alicorns.

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

I can't speak for others on the case of making alicorn oc's who can't do magic or fly but in the case of my own alicorn oc's who fall into that category (admittedly, I do have one or two), I only play that card in order to allow them to develop further. Having a physical/ mental weakness that they have to struggle to achieve, rather than being born an alicorn and having it all at their disposal right from the get-go. Just like pegasi have to learn how to fly, and unicorns have to learn how to do magic, so should be the case of alicorns.

 

And frankly, I don't think innane ability even matters. Take Fluttershy. She's a pegasus pony who 90% of the time, is on the ground, NOT flying, because she considers herself a weak flier. Should she be better off as an earth pony? I have an oc that's a unicorn who taught himself to fly like a pegasus, with magic, because they wanted it badly enough. Should they be considered an alicorn? What ponies do or don't do with their wings or magic or earth pony powers shouldn't make a difference, nor should it - or lack of it be expected of alicorns.

I have no problem with alicorns who have difficulties with flying or using magic. I have a problem with alicorns who can't fly or use magic at all because that removes the whole point of being an alicorn.   

[Pripyat Pony 2,608]

My alicorn OC Clover at first found flying very difficult due to being an ascended unicorn. She still doesn't fly very well and prefers to stay on the ground whenever possible, only using her wings when it's absolutely unavoidable.

 

As I stated before, there's far too many people who believe that as long as they don't have an alicorn OC, then they can be as outrageous as they like and it'll be ok. Such as a pegasus who can do magic, a unicorn who can fly and an earth pony who can do both. The truth is that there are well made alicorn OCs and terrible earth, pegasus and unicorn ones. It's all to do with character development, with a character needing faults and weaknesses as well as strengths and skills.

 

Oh, and my ponysona is a unicorn. I at first thought of being a pegasus but it didn't suit my personality.

[Vocaloid_IA 95]

MOST (not saying ALL alicorn OCs)) are Mary Sueish, mostly because they don't have the five Ws. Who is your character? What made them into the pony they came to be? Where was your character born, and how does her/his homeland reflect on them? And so on. Most alicorns are just made for their looks, and to boast about their powers. Like for example, "My OC is 500000 more powerful then Celestia and Luna!!" Etc. Plus, there is hardly many alicorns because they were only made for royalty so they can stand out, so your OC would have to be royalty, and can't live a normal pony citizen life. Twilight is the best example for this, even though in Season 4 it is shown that she is kinda living a citizen life, she isn't living a perfect one because of her princess duties. So that is a downfall for most alicorns used in roleplay (Not saying all of them, again)

[BigBossFoxtrot 34]

My character is an alicorn and a reflection of the real me. 

 

As characters they have to be done right. Just like ANY OTHER RACE IN THE SERIES. I see crappy characters of all kinds but none get it as hard as alicorns. Even the well thought out ones are just hated on. Very in the MLP spirit people.

 

I put a lot of thought into him and designed him to be a villain character the mane 6 may someday confront and save him from himself.

Edited February 23, 2015 by BigBossFoxtrot

[Valencia 9,504]

Ultimately If it's just a product of somone's imagination and creativity to produce an alicorn I have no issues with them ^^ Although if the creator plans to try and implement that OC in a roleplay or fanfic collaboration they would have to do some serious work to make sure it was a well rounded character with its share of weaknesses (unless the story calls for such an OP character of course) 

[Black Sabbath 2,486]

My character is an alicorn and a reflection of the real me. 

 

As characters they have to be done right. Just like ANY OTHER RACE IN THE SERIES. I see crappy characters of all kinds but none get it as hard as alicorns. Even the well thought out ones are just hated on. Very in the MLP spirit people.

 

I put a lot of thought into him and designed him to be a villain character the mane 6 may someday confront and save him from himself.

 

http://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/steele-heart-r7937

Don't be silly, there exist many other reasons to dislike your OC than the fact that he is an alicorn. 

[_GLaDOS_ 102]

I only accept alicorn OCs only if their bio is organized, and sorted out in reasonable matters. If they look to OP, then I lose it.

[Tilt 286]

Alicorn OC's are absolutely fine, I have a friend that has a fantastic Alicorn OC that I talked into signing up here named Saethwr. Look him up to be pleased

[Moonlight 7,286]

I'm not a huge fan of alicorns, but they can be done well, it's just a matter of putting the time and effort into it. Most of them get hate because they're either a mary sue/gary stu, red/black, rainbow/neon colored, a villain, or have a bad backstory/no reason to be an alicorn. While it's rare to find a good one, I have found some with absolutely stunning designs.

[Gildarts 54]

Alicorn ocs are bad, well most of them are anyway. I'm sure that there is at least one good alicorn oc in the world, I have however never seen a alicorn oc wich I liked.

[Tilt 286]

Alicorn ocs are bad, well most of them are anyway. I'm sure that there is at least one good alicorn oc in the world, I have however never seen a alicorn oc wich I liked.

 

In my opinion, this is an example of an Alicorn OC done perfectly

http://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/saethwr-r7867

 

This was the friend I mentioned and his OC is fantastic and great to roleplay with.

[Gildarts 54]

In my opinion, this is an example of an Alicorn OC done perfectly

http://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/saethwr-r7867

 

This was the friend I mentioned and his OC is fantastic and great to roleplay with.

It's good for an alicorn oc, however if you would compare it with some "normal" ocs it would be kind of mediocre. I mean it's not a bad oc but in my opinion it's not a good oc either.

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,161]

Guys, there is no need for the back & forth sarcasm. It's fine to offer citisism & all, but don't let it turn into potential insults and sarcasm. Any post dealing with that will be hidden.

 

Thanks.